History YMMV / MsMarvel

29th Jul '17 8:53:27 AM IdumeanPatriot
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* BaseBreaker: Her new costume and, especially, "butch" haircut in the new ongoing series is a major source of contention. Everyone agrees that it makes her look less traditionally feminine than her classic long, blond hair. The issue is over whether this is a good thing: Does it makes her a stronger and more distinctive heroine, or just plain ugly?
25th Apr '17 12:00:49 PM GordyTepig
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** "Yaas, Queen!" It comes from the solicit for ''The Mighty Captain Marvel #1,'' and gained traction because of how TotallyRadical it was. It's usually used as a sarcastic insult for Carol, though.
24th Apr '17 3:15:43 PM Lionheart0
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* NeverLiveItDown: The entire "Marcus Immortus" incident, combined with Rogue stealing her powers and memories, sidelined Ms. Marvel for years until Creator/KurtBusiek brought her back as a main character in ''Avengers''. It took her own series to undo a lot of the damage.

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The entire "Marcus Immortus" incident, combined with Rogue stealing her powers and memories, sidelined Ms. Marvel for years until Creator/KurtBusiek brought her back as a main character in ''Avengers''. It took her own series to undo a lot of the damage.


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** The fact that her book has been [[{{Retool}} Retooled]] and Relaunched ''four'' times since taking over the mantle of Captain Marvel in 2012. That plus her [[WolverinePublicity increased prominence in marketing]] has led to her current CreatorsPet accusations.
6th Apr '17 8:22:04 AM captainpat
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* BrokenBase:
** Carol's new Jamie [=McKelvie=]-designed red/blue Captain has been this for some fans. While many people prefer the new costume (intended as a colour-coded reversal of Mar-Vell's costume), others prefer the previous [[{{Stripperiffic}} swimsuit-and-domino-mask]].
** Different artist interpretations of what she does with her hair in costume all have fans and detractors.
** The redesigned costume from ''Comicbook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. Some fans of the previous costume dislike the design alterations made for the new one, while others like it more. [[TakeAThirdOption And some still hate both Captain Marvel suits and want her back in the black bathing suit]].
** Her new head of short hair has also proven divisive. Some like it and think it makes her look unique when compared to most other superheroines, while others claim it makes her look too butch. Part of the problem seems to be that no two artists can be remotely consistent on how it's supposed to look.
** Kelly Sue Deconick's run is starting to pick up a bit of this, due to detractors believing that Deconick is pushing dangerously close to turning Carol into a MarySue. To some, the run has lead to Carol being shilled too much as the best and most powerful female hero, while her memory loss during the run has been used to ignore any elements that the writer doesn't like about her past. Others, however, think the shilling criticism is exaggerated and she's no more shilled than any main character, and are quick to note that, despite the memory loss, Carol's flaws are outlined in the run (her alcoholism, for note, was brought up in the first non-tie-in issue after the memory loss happens).
** The AllNewAllDifferentMarvel relaunch by Michael Fazekas and Tara Butters. Some fans of Deconick's run are still upset that new writers have taken over, while some other fans feel a fresh take from a new writer would be for the best.
** The new status quo of having Carol and Comicbook/AlphaFlight replacing S.W.O.R.D. as Earth's first line of defense against cosmic threats. Fans of S.W.O.R.D. find it disrespectful and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a waste of the organization]], while others have argued that it's no big loss since all S.W.O.R.D. ever did was fall victim to TheWorfEffect every time a new alien villain showed up.
** Marvel's overall commitment to making Carol Davners their flagship female character. Since post-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Marvel has been pushing Captain Marvel to be their answer to ComicBook/WonderWoman. She continues to be featured prominently across the comics, became the New Captain Marvel, and even got a MCU movie officially announced despite not being introduced yet into the Universe. [[note]]This last point is a particular sore subject due to the continued fan demand for Black Widow to get her own movie.[[/note]] This led to debate over whether Carol is compelling, or even successful enough of a character to warrant a now decade-long campaign to make her more prominent.
** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission. Part of the crux is whether such characterization can work, or if it is even appealing, when Marvel wants her to be their flagship superheroine character.
** There are actually some readers who don't necessarily dislike the character, but who object to her taking up the "Captain Marvel" mantle, especially in light of her more "forceful" and unheroic decisions (see MoralEventHorizon below for details).
29th Mar '17 7:38:07 AM Anicomicgeek
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* MoralEventHorizon:
** During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/Civil War'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks Julia Carpenter, and gives the Julia a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown where her daughter can see. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.
** In ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] crosses this line when [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] reveals that Ulysses' precognitive powers aren't predicting the actual future but a possible future, has this confirmed by the Beast and she ''still'' opts to continue to believing the predictions and pushing her "Change the Future" stance. The thing that kicks off the fight is when she and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrests a woman with the only evidence of something bad she could have done being Ulysses' vision of her and an empty suitcase. The prior example, from the first ''Civil War'', at least had the excuse that Julia broke the law (however controversial that law was) and endangered the lives of SHIELD agents. Here, Carol's the one breaking laws, and her targets haven't even ''done anything'' yet.

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MoralEventHorizon: Two with the ''main character'' doing this.
** During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/Civil War'' ''ComicBook/CivilWar'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Julia Carpenter, Carpenter]], and gives the Julia a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown where her daughter can see. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.
** In ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] crosses this line when [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] reveals that Ulysses' precognitive powers aren't predicting the actual future but a possible future, has this confirmed by the Beast and she ''still'' opts to continue to believing the predictions and pushing her "Change the Future" stance. The thing that kicks off the fight is when she and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrests a woman with the only evidence of something bad she could have done being Ulysses' vision of her and an empty suitcase. The prior example, from the first ''Civil War'', at least had the excuse that Julia broke the law (however controversial that law was) and endangered the lives of SHIELD agents. Here, Carol's the one breaking laws, and her targets haven't even ''done anything'' yet.
17th Feb '17 9:48:53 PM bloodytears92
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** There are actually some readers who don't necessarily dislike the character, but who object to her taking up the "Captain Marvel" mantle, especially in light of her more "forceful" and unheroic decisions (see MoralEventHorizon below for details). On Facebook, one fan commented that, "Carol Danvers isn't worthy to shine [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Billy Batson's]] shoes, much less carry his name," a comment that earned over 300 likes in less than 24 hours.

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** There are actually some readers who don't necessarily dislike the character, but who object to her taking up the "Captain Marvel" mantle, especially in light of her more "forceful" and unheroic decisions (see MoralEventHorizon below for details). On Facebook, one fan commented that, "Carol Danvers isn't worthy to shine [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Billy Batson's]] shoes, much less carry his name," a comment that earned over 300 likes in less than 24 hours.
23rd Jan '17 11:21:00 PM FuzzyBarbarian
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* CreatorsPet: Tuite a few people are feeling this way about Carol as Captain Marvel as time goes on, believing Marvel is giving more spotlight and CharacterShilling her far harder than she is organically deserving of, and that she hasn't really done much to make herself stand out as a genuinely compelling character compared to other superheroines who are better liked by the fanbase and sell more comics but don't get pushed nearly as hard by the company. Her numerous instances of KickTheDog since becoming Captain Marvel are starting to push her from a BaseBreakingCharacter into fullblown TheScrappy territory too. Time will tell if the movie is successfully able to salvage her among her hatedom as it did with Iron Man after the first Civil War event.

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* CreatorsPet: Tuite Quite a few people are feeling this way about Carol as Captain Marvel as time goes on, believing Marvel is giving more spotlight and CharacterShilling her far harder than she is organically deserving of, and that she hasn't really done much to make herself stand out as a genuinely compelling character compared to other superheroines who are better liked by the fanbase and sell more comics but don't get pushed nearly as hard by the company. Her numerous instances of KickTheDog since becoming Captain Marvel are starting to push her from a BaseBreakingCharacter into fullblown TheScrappy territory too. Time will tell if the movie is successfully able to salvage her among her hatedom as it did with Iron Man after the first Civil War event.
8th Jan '17 5:22:38 PM nombretomado
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** [[spoiler: Tries to do the same for the recently returned ComicBook/ScarletWitch taking her back to the Avengers mansion but TheVision meets them at the door and proceeds to give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Wanda that drives her off in tears.]]

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** [[spoiler: Tries to do the same for the recently returned ComicBook/ScarletWitch taking her back to the Avengers mansion but TheVision ComicBook/TheVision meets them at the door and proceeds to give a TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Wanda that drives her off in tears.]]
4th Dec '16 9:04:44 PM AlleyOop
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* CreatorsPet: Tuite a few people are feeling this way about Carol as Captain Marvel as time goes on, believing Marvel is giving more spotlight and CharacterShilling her far harder than she is organically deserving of, and that she hasn't really done much to make herself stand out as a genuinely compelling character compared to other superheroines who are better liked by the fanbase and sell more comics but don't get pushed nearly as hard by the company. Her numerous instances of KickTheDog since becoming Captain Marvel are starting to push her from a BaseBreakingCharacter into fullblown TheScrappy territory too. Time will tell if the movie is successfully able to salvage her among her hatedom as it did with Iron Man after the first Civil War event.
1st Dec '16 8:17:09 PM BigJaredMonkey
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** There are actually some readers who don't necessarily dislike the character, but who object to her taking up the "Captain Marvel" mantle, especially in light of her more "forceful" and unheroic decisions (see MoralEventHorizon below for details). On Facebook, one fan commented that, "Carol Danvers isn't worthy to shine [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Billy Batson's]] shoes, much less carry his name," a comment that earned over 300 likes in less than 24 hours.
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