History YMMV / MsMarvel

26th Jul '16 10:56:28 AM GrigorII
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* AngstWhatAngst: In Ms. Marvel 12, back in the 70s, Carol Danvers and Ms. Marvel were two characters that exchanged bodies, as Thor and Donald Blake, or Captain Matvel and Rick Jones. Ms. Marvel had to decide: save Carol's best friend from a crash, or save the world from some villains with a reality warping object? She chose the latter. She retrieved the object and changed back to Carol, who was angered with both the villains and Ms. Marvel (but specially Ms. Marvel) for letting her friend die. Then Hecate made her understand the truth: they are not independent entities, Carol Danvers and Ms. Marvel are one and the same person (the transformation sequence is just a quick clothing change). She was so happy and relived about it, that she forgot that things were then much worse: it was not "someone else" who left her friend to die, but ''herself''.
24th Jul '16 4:23:18 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Carol's new Jamie [=McKelvie=]-designed red/blue Captain has been this for some fans. While many people prefer the new costume (intended as a colour-coded reversal of Mar-Vell's costume), others prefer the previous [[{{Stripperiffic}} swimsuit-and-domino-mask]].
** Different artist interpretations of what she does with her hair in costume all have fans and detractors.
** The redesigned costume from ''Comicbook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. Some fans of the previous costume dislike the design alterations made for the new one, while others like it more. [[TakeAThirdOption And some still hate both Captain Marvel suits and want her back in the black bathing suit]].
** Her new head of short hair has also proven divisive. Some like it and think it makes her look unique when compared to most other superheroines, while others claim it makes her look too butch. Part of the problem seems to be that no two artists can be remotely consistent on how it's supposed to look.


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** Carol's new Jamie [=McKelvie=]-designed red/blue Captain has been this for some fans. While many people prefer the new costume (intended as a colour-coded reversal of Mar-Vell's costume), others prefer the previous [[{{Stripperiffic}} swimsuit-and-domino-mask]].
** Different artist interpretations of what she does with her hair in costume all have fans and detractors.
** The redesigned costume from ''Comicbook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. Some fans of the previous costume dislike the design alterations made for the new one, while others like it more. [[TakeAThirdOption And some still hate both Captain Marvel suits and want her back in the black bathing suit]].
** Her new head of short hair has also proven divisive. Some like it and think it makes her look unique when compared to most other superheroines, while others claim it makes her look too butch. Part of the problem seems to be that no two artists can be remotely consistent on how it's supposed to look.
17th Jun '16 3:13:24 PM Damar
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** Her attacking Julia Carpenter during the first ''Civil War'' in front of her daughter.
24th May '16 8:14:43 PM Lionheart0
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* Marvel's overall commitment to making Carol Davners their flagship female character. Since post-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Marvel has been pushing Captain Marvel to be their answer to ComicBook/WonderWoman. She continues to be featured prominently across the comics, became the New Captain Marvel, and even got a MCU movie officially announced despite not being introduced yet into the Universe. [[note]]This last point is a particular sore subject due to the continued fan demand for Black Widow to get her own movie.[[/note]] This led to debate over whether Carol is compelling, or even successful enough of a character to warrant a now decade-long campaign to make her more prominent.

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* ** Marvel's overall commitment to making Carol Davners their flagship female character. Since post-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Marvel has been pushing Captain Marvel to be their answer to ComicBook/WonderWoman. She continues to be featured prominently across the comics, became the New Captain Marvel, and even got a MCU movie officially announced despite not being introduced yet into the Universe. [[note]]This last point is a particular sore subject due to the continued fan demand for Black Widow to get her own movie.[[/note]] This led to debate over whether Carol is compelling, or even successful enough of a character to warrant a now decade-long campaign to make her more prominent.
24th May '16 8:14:31 PM Lionheart0
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* Marvel's overall commitment to making Carol Davners their flagship female character. Since post-''ComicBook/HouseOfM'', Marvel has been pushing Captain Marvel to be their answer to ComicBook/WonderWoman. She continues to be featured prominently across the comics, became the New Captain Marvel, and even got a MCU movie officially announced despite not being introduced yet into the Universe. [[note]]This last point is a particular sore subject due to the continued fan demand for Black Widow to get her own movie.[[/note]] This led to debate over whether Carol is compelling, or even successful enough of a character to warrant a now decade-long campaign to make her more prominent.
30th Apr '16 2:26:13 PM Asger
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** Her new head of short hair has also proven divisive. Some like it and think it makes her look unique when compared to most other superheroines, while others claim it makes her look too butch.

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** Her new head of short hair has also proven divisive. Some like it and think it makes her look unique when compared to most other superheroines, while others claim it makes her look too butch. Part of the problem seems to be that no two artists can be remotely consistent on how it's supposed to look.
28th Mar '16 10:15:00 PM TheLaughingFist
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** She's also very commonly paired with [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]] due to the massive amount of LesYay between the two.

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** She's also very commonly paired with [[ComicBook/SpiderWoman Jessica Drew]] due to the massive amount of LesYay between the two. It's even joked InUniverse that Carol is the father of Jessica's baby.
28th Mar '16 10:10:29 PM TheLaughingFist
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** Thanks to the popularity of Kamala Khan, Carol has started to become a more well known heroine, but that in turn has led to even more people not knowing who Mar Vell is, or worse seeing him as just a part of Carol's origin story.
20th Jan '16 11:22:04 AM comicwriter
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** The new status quo of having Carol and Comicbook/AlphaFlight replacing S.W.O.R.D. as Earth's first line of defense against cosmic threats. Fans of S.W.O.R.D. find it disrespectful and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a waste of the organization]], while others have argued that it's no big loss since all S.W.O.R.D. ever did was fall victim to TheWorfEffect everytime a new alien villain showed up.

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** The new status quo of having Carol and Comicbook/AlphaFlight replacing S.W.O.R.D. as Earth's first line of defense against cosmic threats. Fans of S.W.O.R.D. find it disrespectful and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a waste of the organization]], while others have argued that it's no big loss since all S.W.O.R.D. ever did was fall victim to TheWorfEffect everytime every time a new alien villain showed up.
20th Jan '16 11:21:45 AM comicwriter
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* BaseBreaker: Carol's new Jamie [=McKelvie=]-designed red/black Captain has been this for some fans. While many people prefer the new costume (intended as a colour-coded reversal of Mar-Vell's costume), others prefer the previous [[{{Stripperiffic}} swimsuit-and-domino-mask]].

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* BaseBreaker: Carol's new Jamie [=McKelvie=]-designed red/black red/blue Captain has been this for some fans. While many people prefer the new costume (intended as a colour-coded reversal of Mar-Vell's costume), others prefer the previous [[{{Stripperiffic}} swimsuit-and-domino-mask]].



** The redesigned costume from ''Comicbook/AllNewAllDifferentMarvel''. Some fans of the previous costume dislike the design alterations made for the new one, while others like it more. [[TakeAThirdOption And some still hate both Captain Marvel suits and want her back in the black bathing suit]].
** Her new head of short hair has also proven divisive. Some like it and think it makes her look unique when compared to most other superheroines, while others claim it makes her look too butch.



* BrokenBase: Kelly Sue Deconick's run is starting to pick up a bit of this, due to detractors believing that Deconick is pushing dangerously close to turning Carol into a MarySue. To some, the run has lead to Carol being shilled too much as the best and most powerful female hero, while her memory loss during the run has been used to ignore any elements that the writer doesn't like about her past. Others, however, think the shilling criticism is exaggerated and she's no more shilled than any main character, and are quick to note that, despite the memory loss, Carol's flaws are outlined in the run (her alcoholism, for note, was brought up in the first non-tie-in issue after the memory loss happens).

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Kelly Sue Deconick's run is starting to pick up a bit of this, due to detractors believing that Deconick is pushing dangerously close to turning Carol into a MarySue. To some, the run has lead to Carol being shilled too much as the best and most powerful female hero, while her memory loss during the run has been used to ignore any elements that the writer doesn't like about her past. Others, however, think the shilling criticism is exaggerated and she's no more shilled than any main character, and are quick to note that, despite the memory loss, Carol's flaws are outlined in the run (her alcoholism, for note, was brought up in the first non-tie-in issue after the memory loss happens).happens).
** The AllNewAllDifferentMarvel relaunch by Michael Fazekas and Tara Butters. Some fans of Deconick's run are still upset that new writers have taken over, while some other fans feel a fresh take from a new writer would be for the best.
** The new status quo of having Carol and Comicbook/AlphaFlight replacing S.W.O.R.D. as Earth's first line of defense against cosmic threats. Fans of S.W.O.R.D. find it disrespectful and [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter a waste of the organization]], while others have argued that it's no big loss since all S.W.O.R.D. ever did was fall victim to TheWorfEffect everytime a new alien villain showed up.
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