History YMMV / MsMarvel

4th Dec '16 9:04:44 PM AlleyOop
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* CreatorsPet: Tuite a few people are feeling this way about Carol as Captain Marvel as time goes on, believing Marvel is giving more spotlight and CharacterShilling her far harder than she is organically deserving of, and that she hasn't really done much to make herself stand out as a genuinely compelling character compared to other superheroines who are better liked by the fanbase and sell more comics but don't get pushed nearly as hard by the company. Her numerous instances of KickTheDog since becoming Captain Marvel are starting to push her from a BaseBreakingCharacter into fullblown TheScrappy territory too. Time will tell if the movie is successfully able to salvage her among her hatedom as it did with Iron Man after the first Civil War event.
1st Dec '16 8:17:09 PM BigJaredMonkey
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** There are actually some readers who don't necessarily dislike the character, but who object to her taking up the "Captain Marvel" mantle, especially in light of her more "forceful" and unheroic decisions (see MoralEventHorizon below for details). On Facebook, one fan commented that, "Carol Danvers isn't worthy to shine [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} Billy Batson's]] shoes, much less carry his name," a comment that earned over 300 likes in less than 24 hours.
17th Nov '16 7:50:17 AM KingZeal
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* MoralEventHorizon: During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/Civil War'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks Julia Carpenter, and gives the Julia a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown where her daughter can see. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.
** In ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] crosses this line when [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] reveals that Ulysses' precognitive powers aren't predicting the actual future but a possible future, has this confirmed by the Beast and she ''still'' opts to continue to believing the predictions and pushing her "Change the Future" stance. The thing that kicks off the fight is when she and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrests a woman with the only evidence of something bad she could have done being Ulysses' vision of her and an empty suitcase. Many fans who were apparently unaware of her earlier portrayal as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to hurt innocent people to accomplish the mission consider this portrayal "character assassination."

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During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/Civil War'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks Julia Carpenter, and gives the Julia a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown where her daughter can see. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.
** In ''ComicBook/CivilWarII'', [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] crosses this line when [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]] reveals that Ulysses' precognitive powers aren't predicting the actual future but a possible future, has this confirmed by the Beast and she ''still'' opts to continue to believing the predictions and pushing her "Change the Future" stance. The thing that kicks off the fight is when she and S.H.I.E.L.D. arrests a woman with the only evidence of something bad she could have done being Ulysses' vision of her and an empty suitcase. Many fans who were apparently unaware The prior example, from the first ''Civil War'', at least had the excuse that Julia broke the law (however controversial that law was) and endangered the lives of SHIELD agents. Here, Carol's the one breaking laws, and her earlier portrayal as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to hurt innocent people to accomplish the mission consider this portrayal "character assassination."targets haven't even ''done anything'' yet.
17th Nov '16 7:48:03 AM KingZeal
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* MoralEventHorizon: During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/Civil War'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks a single mother at the woman's home, and gives the mother in question an NoHoldsBarredBeatdown in front of the woman's daughter, all the while taunting the daughter that she (Carol, that is) is going to throw Mommy in jail and take the little girl away so that the two will never see each other unless Mommy does everything Carol orders her to do. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.

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* MoralEventHorizon: During one of the side-stories for Marvel's original ''ComicBook/Civil War'' arc, [[ComicBook/MsMarvel Carol Danvers]] attacks a single mother at the woman's home, Julia Carpenter, and gives the mother in question an Julia a NoHoldsBarredBeatdown in front of the woman's daughter, all the while taunting the where her daughter that she (Carol, that is) is going to throw Mommy in jail and take the little girl away so that the two will never see each other unless Mommy does everything Carol orders her to do. can see. For a lot of fans, this pretty much destroyed any possibility of Danvers being seen as a hero.
5th Nov '16 7:35:04 AM BigJaredMonkey
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* HarsherInHindsight: Carol Danvers' complete disregard for legal precepts of Habeas Corpus, Actus Reus and Mens Rea are hard to swallow given the concern of the erosion of civil rights following [[TheWarOnTerror 9/11]].

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* HarsherInHindsight: Carol Danvers' complete disregard for legal precepts of Habeas Corpus, Actus Reus and Mens Rea -- not to mention the First, Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, and Eighth Amendments to the US Constitution -- are hard to swallow given the concern of the erosion of civil rights following [[TheWarOnTerror 9/11]].
5th Nov '16 7:32:07 AM BigJaredMonkey
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** And now that she's using the name "Captain Marvel", the most frequent response to the question "Who is Captain Marvel?" is still [[ComicBook/{{Shazam}} "Oh yeah, he's the guy in the red suit with the lightning bolt who says "Shazam", right?"]]
22nd Oct '16 6:48:59 AM Klaudandus
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** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission. Part of the crux is whether such characterization can work when Marvel wants her to be their flagship superheroine character.

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** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission. Part of the crux is whether such characterization can work work, or if it is even appealing, when Marvel wants her to be their flagship superheroine character.
22nd Oct '16 6:45:42 AM Klaudandus
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** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission. Part of the crux is whether such characterization can work when Marvel wants her to be their flagship heroic character.

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** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission. Part of the crux is whether such characterization can work when Marvel wants her to be their flagship heroic superheroine character.
22nd Oct '16 6:45:07 AM Klaudandus
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** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission.

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** Some newer readers believe that the way she's been portrayed in Civil War II, where Carol is dogmatic and stubborn at best, and outright fascist at worst, is "character assassination." Older readers could tell you that this is how Carol Danvers was written prior to the original Civil War story arc - as a pragmatic hard-ass willing to basically do anything she needs to do to finish the mission. Part of the crux is whether such characterization can work when Marvel wants her to be their flagship heroic character.
22nd Oct '16 6:41:52 AM Klaudandus
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* HarsherInHindsight: Carol Danvers' complete disregard for legal precepts of Habeas Corpus, Actus Reus and Mens Rea are hard to swallow given the concern of the erosion of civil rights following [[TheWarOnTerror 9/11]].



* NeverLiveItDown: The entire "Marcus Kang" incident, combined with Rogue stealing her powers and memories, sidelined Ms. Marvel for years until Creator/KurtBusiek brought her back as a main character in ''Avengers''. It took her own series to undo a lot of the damage.

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* NeverLiveItDown: The entire "Marcus Kang" Immortus" incident, combined with Rogue stealing her powers and memories, sidelined Ms. Marvel for years until Creator/KurtBusiek brought her back as a main character in ''Avengers''. It took her own series to undo a lot of the damage.



* StrangledByTheRedString: A rare TropesAreNotBad example! When the KSD ''Captain Marvel'' run was relaunched after a time skip, Carol had, out of nowhere, hooked up with [[ComicBook/WarMachine Rhodey]], despite the two never interacting. However, this has largely been accepted by the fandom, due to the fact the two have nice chemistry and have quite a bit in common (their shared military background, being experienced pilots, and snarky and tough demeanour), and the fact the run avoids making a big deal out of it, with the two only having occasional scenes where they flirt or work together, making it feel far less forced than many SBTRS examples.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: A rare TropesAreNotBad example! When the KSD ''Captain Marvel'' run was relaunched after a time skip, Carol had, out of nowhere, hooked up with [[ComicBook/WarMachine Rhodey]], despite the two never interacting. However, this has largely been accepted by the fandom, due to the fact the two have nice chemistry and have quite a bit in common (their shared military background, being experienced pilots, and snarky and tough demeanour), and the fact the run avoids making a big deal out of it, with the two only having occasional scenes where they flirt or work together, making it feel far less forced than many SBTRS examples./examples.
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