History YMMV / MoulinRouge

30th Aug '16 6:35:09 PM fearlessnikki
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** Was Nini Legs-in-the-air a complete {{Jerkass}} for giving away Christian and Satine, or was she entirely justified? Considering everyone was relying on Satine becoming the Duke's consort so he would fund the Moulin Rouge, and the couple just seemed to rely on everyone to keep the secret for them without being exactly discreet about it themselves, it's amazing the Duke didn't find them out in the first place.
** It's heavily implied she's motivated by jealousy, as everyone covets the "Sparkling Diamond" Satine, whereas Nini is just another Diamond Dog.

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** Was Nini Legs-in-the-air a complete {{Jerkass}} for giving away Legs blowing Christian and Satine, or Satine's cover to the Duke. Did she crack out of fear? Or was she entirely justified? Considering everyone was relying on Satine becoming the Duke's consort so he would fund the Moulin Rouge, and the couple just seemed to rely on everyone to keep the secret for them without being exactly discreet about it themselves, it's amazing the Duke didn't find them out in the first place.
** It's heavily implied she's
motivated by jealousy, as everyone covets hoping to knock Satine down a peg? Or is she a {{Troll}} who wanted to watch the "Sparkling Diamond" Satine, whereas Nini is just another Diamond Dog.drama unfold?



* DesignatedHero:
** Harold Zidler in particular comes off as a rather vile character if you break down everything he does during the movie; first off he is a pimp and is in charge of selling Satine and the other Diamond Dogs to interested buyers, he bankrupts the brothel he's running due to his sick obsession with electricity (an investment that he could never hope to see a return on due to the cost of power and maintenance of such a set-up during the turn of the century), he is the mastermind behind the plan to lure the Duke in and have him bankroll the brothel's transformation into a theater, he holds Satine's dream of being a 'real actress' over her head to convince her to do what he says, he knows Satine's health is deteriorating but doesn't remove her from the show, tell the Duke, or even ''her'' until she's ready to leave the show, and he is the one who agreed to the Duke's terms to have Satine contractually bound to the Duke and handed the deed over to him. And yet, he gets a pass just because he punches the Duke at the end.
* HilariousInHindsight: The songs "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend" and "Diamond Dogs" are both featured in the film's soundtrack. Fast-forward to the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "A Dog and Pony Show" in which both songs are referenced in close proximity to each other.

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* DesignatedHero:
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DesignatedHero: Harold Zidler in particular comes off as a rather vile character if you break down everything he does during the movie; first off he is a pimp and is in charge of selling Satine and the other Diamond Dogs to interested buyers, he bankrupts the brothel he's running due to his sick obsession with electricity (an investment that he could never hope to see a return on due to the cost of power and maintenance of such a set-up during the turn of the century), he is the mastermind behind the plan to lure the Duke in and have him bankroll the brothel's transformation into a theater, he holds Satine's dream of being a 'real actress' over her head to convince her to do what he says, he knows Satine's health is deteriorating but doesn't remove her from the show, tell the Duke, or even ''her'' until she's ready to leave the show, and he is the one who agreed to the Duke's terms to have Satine contractually bound to the Duke and handed the deed over to him. And yet, he gets a pass just because he punches the Duke at the end.
* HilariousInHindsight: DracoInLeatherPants: Nini Legs gets a lot of this from people who frame her as someone terrified of what might happen if Christian and Satine were found out. There's really no evidence for this in the film, as noted above, and she appears to be motivated by jealousy. What's more is that being afraid doesn't really justify snitching on them - considering she pretty much ensures that everything definitely goes wrong a lot sooner than usual. Not to mention that makes her indirectly responsible for [[spoiler: the Duke raping Satine]].
* HilariousInHindsight:
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The songs "Diamonds Are a Girl's Best Friend" and "Diamond Dogs" are both featured in the film's soundtrack. Fast-forward to the ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' episode "A Dog and Pony Show" in which both songs are referenced in close proximity to each other.



* HoYay: Defied or lampshaded, when the Narcoleptic Argentinian admires Christian's attitude. "I like this boy..." ( {{Beat}}, the Bohemians give a weird look) "Nothing funny. I just like talent."
** He also accidentally (?) touched Christian's crotch as he said it.
*** Not to mention that "talent" is later used as an UnusualEuphemism for Christian's large... [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre crotch-area]].
*** And he later ''kisses'' him.

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* HoYay: Defied or lampshaded, when the Narcoleptic Argentinian admires Christian's attitude. "I like this boy..." ( {{Beat}}, the Bohemians give a weird look) "Nothing funny. I just like talent."
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" He also accidentally (?) touched Christian's crotch as he said it.
*** Not to mention that "talent" is later used as an UnusualEuphemism for Christian's large... [[LampshadedDoubleEntendre crotch-area]].
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it. And he later ''kisses'' kisses him.



* {{Narm}}: Some people might find [[spoiler: Christian's hysterical sobbing/laughing when Satine dies]] a bit...misplaced.
** WordOfGod is that this is [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste deliberate]]; [[spoiler: Christian is so utterly devastated by Satine's loss that he's past caring whether or not he sounds ridiculous.]] Whether or not [[NarmCharm the audience agrees]] is up for debate.

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* {{Narm}}: {{Narm}}:
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Some people might find [[spoiler: Christian's hysterical sobbing/laughing when Satine dies]] a bit...misplaced.
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misplaced. WordOfGod is that this is [[TheyPlottedAPerfectlyGoodWaste deliberate]]; [[spoiler: Christian is so utterly devastated by Satine's loss that he's past caring whether or not he sounds ridiculous.]] Whether or not [[NarmCharm the audience agrees]] is up for debate.



* OneSceneWonder: One iconic element of this film was Music/KylieMinogue as the Green Fairy. Her scene lasted less than a minute.

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* OneSceneWonder: OneSceneWonder:
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One iconic element of this film was Music/KylieMinogue as the Green Fairy. Her scene lasted less than a minute.



* StrawmanHasAPoint: Nini might have squealed on Satine and Christian primarily out of jealousy, but she has a valid reason to be worried about their love affair causing disaster. The Duke is, after all, holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge hostage, and ''everyone's'' livelihood is at stake if things go wrong. Can you blame Nini for getting sick of hiding a relationship that might wreck everything the troupe's worked so hard for?
** ...so, because she was concerned that Satine and Christian's relationship might ruin everything if things went wrong, she ''told'' The Duke, thus ensuring that things ''would'' go wrong, and a lot sooner than they might have otherwise? [[DidntThinkThisThrough What??]]
19th Jun '16 1:24:07 PM HazzyHaz
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** If you removed the motivation of love and happiness from the picture, and presented the events as a police report, it would describe a group of vagrants and prostitutes conning a rich buffoon into financing their production while one of their number seduces him for even more wealth and fortune. Of course, the movie makes it clear that Satine is essentially an indentured servant who cannot say no to the Duke if she wants to, but from a lawful standpoint, really what they did was swindle him.
3rd Jun '16 4:13:47 AM DarkMask
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* DesignatedHero: If you removed the motivation of love and happiness from the picture, and presented the events as a police report, it would describe a group of vagrants and prostitutes conning a rich buffoon into financing their production while one of their number seduces him for even more wealth and fortune. Of course, the movie makes it clear that Satine is essentially an indentured servant who cannot say no to the Duke if she wants to, but from a lawful standpoint, really what they did was swindle him.

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* DesignatedHero: DesignatedHero:
**
If you removed the motivation of love and happiness from the picture, and presented the events as a police report, it would describe a group of vagrants and prostitutes conning a rich buffoon into financing their production while one of their number seduces him for even more wealth and fortune. Of course, the movie makes it clear that Satine is essentially an indentured servant who cannot say no to the Duke if she wants to, but from a lawful standpoint, really what they did was swindle him.him.
** Harold Zidler in particular comes off as a rather vile character if you break down everything he does during the movie; first off he is a pimp and is in charge of selling Satine and the other Diamond Dogs to interested buyers, he bankrupts the brothel he's running due to his sick obsession with electricity (an investment that he could never hope to see a return on due to the cost of power and maintenance of such a set-up during the turn of the century), he is the mastermind behind the plan to lure the Duke in and have him bankroll the brothel's transformation into a theater, he holds Satine's dream of being a 'real actress' over her head to convince her to do what he says, he knows Satine's health is deteriorating but doesn't remove her from the show, tell the Duke, or even ''her'' until she's ready to leave the show, and he is the one who agreed to the Duke's terms to have Satine contractually bound to the Duke and handed the deed over to him. And yet, he gets a pass just because he punches the Duke at the end.
30th Jan '16 4:03:49 AM rememberthehood1941
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* NightmareFuel: ''El Tango De Roxanne'' starts to veer into this territory when the Duke realizes he's been played for a fool and prepares to rape Satine.
8th Nov '15 1:04:40 PM creativename24
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** As of 2015, we have [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain a new series of Diamond Dogs.]]
16th May '15 6:33:43 AM FromtheWordsofBR
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** The Duke screaming "[[SuddenlyShouting I JUST DON'T LIKE OTHER PEOPLE TOUCHING MY THINGS]][[PunctuatedForEmphasis !!!!!!]]"

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** The Duke screaming "[[SuddenlyShouting I JUST DON'T JUST...DON'T...LIKE OTHER PEOPLE TOUCHING MY THINGS]][[PunctuatedForEmphasis !!!!!!]]"
7th May '15 8:07:55 PM MindScream
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** ...so, because she was concerned that Satine and Christian's relationship might ruin everything if things went wrong, she ''told'' The Duke, thus ensuring that things ''would'' go wrong, and a lot sooner than they might have otherwise? [[DidntThinkThisThrough What??]]
22nd Feb '15 6:49:14 AM Ciara25
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Nini might have squealed on Satine and Christian primarily out of jealousy, but she has a valid reason to be worried about their love affair causing disaster. The Duke is, after all, holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge hostage, and ''everyone's'' livelihood is at stake if things go wrong. Can you blame Nini for getting tired of helping to hide a relationship that might wreck everything the troupe's worked so hard for?

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Nini might have squealed on Satine and Christian primarily out of jealousy, but she has a valid reason to be worried about their love affair causing disaster. The Duke is, after all, holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge hostage, and ''everyone's'' livelihood is at stake if things go wrong. Can you blame Nini for getting tired sick of helping to hide hiding a relationship that might wreck everything the troupe's worked so hard for?
22nd Feb '15 6:42:02 AM Ciara25
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Nini might have squealed on Satine and Christian primarily out of jealousy, but she has a valid reason to be concerned about their love affair causing disaster. The Duke is, after all, holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge hostage, and ''everyone's'' livelihood is at stake if things go wrong. Can you blame Nini for getting fed up with helping to conceal a relationship that might wreck everything the troupe's worked so hard for?

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Nini might have squealed on Satine and Christian primarily out of jealousy, but she has a valid reason to be concerned worried about their love affair causing disaster. The Duke is, after all, holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge hostage, and ''everyone's'' livelihood is at stake if things go wrong. Can you blame Nini for getting fed up with tired of helping to conceal hide a relationship that might wreck everything the troupe's worked so hard for?
22nd Feb '15 6:37:56 AM Ciara25
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: Nini might have squealed on Satine and Christian primarily out of jealousy, but she has a valid reason to be concerned about their love affair causing disaster. The Duke is, after all, holding the deed to the Moulin Rouge hostage, and ''everyone's'' livelihood is at stake if things go wrong. Can you blame Nini for getting fed up with helping to conceal a relationship that might wreck everything the troupe's worked so hard for?
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