History YMMV / MortalKombatDeception

25th Nov '15 3:56:10 PM X2X
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** Time seems to have been kind to Shujinko, or else a generation of MK fans who grew up with the [=PS2=]-era games turned out more fond of him than the old guard were; either way, when [[VideoGame/MortalKombatX Cassie Cage's Arcade Tower ending]] depicted her unknowingly murdering Shujinko after mistaking him for Shang Tsung, many mourned his ignoble fate.
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** Time seems to have been kind to Shujinko, or else a generation of MK ''MK'' fans who grew up with the [=PS2=]-era games turned out more fond of him than the old guard were; either way, when [[VideoGame/MortalKombatX Cassie Cage's Arcade Tower ending]] depicted her unknowingly murdering Shujinko after mistaking him for Shang Tsung, many mourned his ignoble fate.
6th Nov '15 4:27:56 PM X2X
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some of Seido's actions (particularly its suppression of people's freedoms ("freedom leads to anarchy, anarchy leads to Chaos, Chaos leads to suffering") and its wars against Chaosrealm and Outworld) seem like a [[TakeThat derisive]] reference to the United States' national security policies under the then-current Bush Administration and American involvement in the then-ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of the larger War on Terrorism. This game also came out in 2004 (when a presidential election occurred) and Chicago (where the ''Mortal Kombat'' games were made at the time) is a notoriously liberal city in a deep blue state. Make of those last two what you will.
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some of Seido's actions (particularly its suppression of people's freedoms ("freedom leads to anarchy, anarchy leads to Chaos, Chaos leads to suffering") and its wars against Chaosrealm and Outworld) seem like a [[TakeThat derisive]] reference to the United States' national security policies under the then-current [[UsefulNotes/GeorgeWBush Bush Administration Administration]] and American involvement in the then-ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of the larger [[TheWarOnTerror War on Terrorism.Terrorism]]. This game also came out in 2004 (when a presidential election occurred) and Chicago (where the ''Mortal Kombat'' games were made at the time) is a notoriously liberal city in a deep blue state. Make of those last two what you will.
6th Nov '15 4:18:10 PM X2X
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** Motaro appears out of the blue in a random Earthrealm village in the Konquest mode to give you some koins, then vanishes. It's a rare occurrence and the player has to be quick to make it happen, so it's more of an EasterEgg. ** Meat randomly appears with a British accent in the Netherrealm in the Konquest mode to give you some koins, then disappears.
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** Motaro appears out of the blue in a random Earthrealm village in the Konquest mode Mode to give you some koins, then vanishes. It's a rare occurrence and the player has to be quick to make it happen, so it's more of an EasterEgg. ** Meat randomly appears with a British accent in the Netherrealm in the Konquest mode Mode to give you some koins, then disappears.

* WTHCostumingDepartment: Some fans have this opinion in regard to Sub-Zero's "[[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Shredder]]" outfit that he had in this game as being unfitting for him. [[BrokenBase Though on the other hand]], some fans would consider this NarmCharm in that Kuai Liang is the [[{{Badass}} type of person]] who is [[{{Pun}} cool]] enough to make what would otherwise be ridiculous [[SoCoolItsAwesome look stylishly awesome]].
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Some fans have this opinion in regard to Sub-Zero's "[[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Shredder]]" outfit that he had in this game as being unfitting for him. [[BrokenBase Though on the other hand]], some fans would consider this NarmCharm in that Kuai Liang is the [[{{Badass}} type of person]] who is [[{{Pun}} cool]] enough to make what would otherwise be ridiculous [[SoCoolItsAwesome [[SugarWiki/SoCoolItsAwesome look stylishly awesome]].
6th Nov '15 4:16:35 PM X2X
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** Havik, due to his unorthodox playstyle and hints of him and his people being {{Cloudcuckoolander}}s. There is currently a lot of fan interest in him making the roster of ''MortalKombatX'', notably being the only ''Deception'' character of choice. [[spoiler: If he survives his encounter with Takeda, that is: he has been made the BigBad of a story arc in the prequel comics, after all]].
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** Havik, due to his unorthodox playstyle and hints of him and his people being {{Cloudcuckoolander}}s. There is currently a lot of fan interest in him making the roster of ''MortalKombatX'', ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'', notably being the only ''Deception'' character of choice. [[spoiler: If [[spoiler:If he survives his encounter with Takeda, that is: he has been made the BigBad of a story arc in the prequel comics, after all]].

* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the improbably of a Chinese person having a Japanese name in circa late-nineteenth century/early twentieth century China, Shujinko's name does make some sense in-story. The name translates into English as "Protagonist" and what role is he playing when at the start of Deception's Konquest mode while playing a game of make believe with some fellow classmates? He's roleplaying as the hero against fellow students who are playing as the antagonistic Shang Tsung and Goro. Perhaps he got to play the role of hero so often that Shujinko stuck as a nickname.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the improbably of a Chinese person having a Japanese name in circa late-nineteenth century/early twentieth century China, Shujinko's name does make some sense in-story. The name translates into English as "Protagonist" and what role is he playing when at the start of Deception's ''Deception''[='s=] Konquest mode Mode while playing a game of make believe with some fellow classmates? He's roleplaying as the hero against fellow students who are playing as the antagonistic Shang Tsung and Goro. Perhaps he got to play the role of hero so often that Shujinko stuck as a nickname.

** Possibly this or GameBreaker, but for some odd reason, Liu Kang's bicycle kick ignores Onaga's defensive stat and takes off his health like you shattered one of the ring's Kamidogu. It's easy to defeat Onaga that way.. .provided that you never get sick of watching Liu Kang's ending. * ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: Noob Saibot is the original Sub-Zero.]] * LoveToHate: Arguably it was the aim of the creators for Hotaru to be seen this way, but didn't play out that way with most of the fans. See his entry under the Scrappy section for details.
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** Possibly this or GameBreaker, but for some odd reason, Liu Kang's bicycle kick ignores Onaga's defensive stat and takes off his health like you shattered one of the ring's Kamidogu. It's easy to defeat Onaga that way.. .way... provided that you never get sick of watching Liu Kang's ending. * ItWasHisSled: [[spoiler: Noob [[spoiler:Noob Saibot is the original Sub-Zero.]] * LoveToHate: Arguably it was the aim of the creators for Hotaru to be seen this way, but it didn't play out that way with most of the fans. See his entry under the Scrappy section for details.

** Time seems to have been kind to Shujinko, or else a generation of MK fans who grew up with the PS2-era games turned out more fond of him than the old guard were; either way, when [[MortalKombatX Cassie Cage's arcade ending]] depicted her unknowingly murdering Shujinko after mistaking him for Shang Tsung, many mourned his ignoble fate. * RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized to a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[TotalitarianUtilitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by the looser definition of the term]]). Even if Hotaru holds such a philosophy, to claim that the makers of Mortal Kombat are condoning this detestable ideology is as absurd as claiming that [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Marvel Comics]] condones the likes of the Comicbook/RedSkull by his mere existence in their fictional universe.
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** Time seems to have been kind to Shujinko, or else a generation of MK fans who grew up with the PS2-era [=PS2=]-era games turned out more fond of him than the old guard were; either way, when [[MortalKombatX [[VideoGame/MortalKombatX Cassie Cage's arcade Arcade Tower ending]] depicted her unknowingly murdering Shujinko after mistaking him for Shang Tsung, many mourned his ignoble fate. * RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized to a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[TotalitarianUtilitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by the looser definition of the term]]). Even if Hotaru holds such a philosophy, to claim that the makers of Mortal Kombat ''Mortal Kombat'' are condoning this detestable ideology is as absurd as claiming that [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Marvel Comics]] condones the likes of the Comicbook/RedSkull ComicBook/RedSkull by his mere existence in their fictional universe.

*** Though in Hotaru's case, while this is justified in that he is intended to be somewhat like a HateSink, but is also a straight example in that he falls into this category due to being such a [[FlatCharacter one-dimensional]] StrawCharacter who lacks any personality traits aside from his obsession with maintaining order.
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*** Though in Hotaru's case, while this is justified in that he is intended to be somewhat like a HateSink, but it is also a straight example in that he falls into this category due to being such a [[FlatCharacter one-dimensional]] StrawCharacter who lacks any personality traits aside from his obsession with maintaining order.

* TakeThatScrappy: Mokap can be found twice in Konquest mode. One time in Chaosrealm for a side mission and another time walking around in a flamboyant manner in Seido where he can't be interacted in any way aside from punching him out to unlock a fighting style video. * TierInducedScrappy: Hotaru, in addition to the other criticisms of him noted above, is regarded as the least effective in regard to play style based on the limited usefulness of his attacks, most notably his Lava Burst attack which can be easily nullified by the opponent being too far or too close. Thankfully when he returns in Videogame/MortalKombatArmageddon he gets some well needed adjustments, but even then he is roughly mid-tier at best. * WhatAnIdiot: You just had to facepalm when the Elder Gods Champion (the one before Scorpion) steps in to stop Shujinko and the natural reaction of our [[IdiotHero hero]] is to say "no, it's me!" and initiate a fight, not even thinking for one second how this guy reached the Nexus or why he would make such claims. ** Also Raiden blindly accepting Shujinko's story of being the champion of the Elder Gods based on him "having the strength of ten fighters" without ever bothering to check with them to corroborate his story arguably also counts. * WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some of Seido's actions (particularly its suppression of people's freedoms ("freedom leads to anarchy, anarchy leads to Chaos, Chaos leads to suffering") and its wars against Chaosrealm and Outworld) seem like a [[TakeThat derisive]] reference to the United States' national security policies under the then-current Bush Administration and American involvement in the then-ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of the larger War on Terrorism. This game also came out in 2004 (when a presidential election occurred) and Chicago (where the Mortal Kombat games were made at the time) is a notoriously liberal city in a deep blue state. Make of those last two what you will.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Mokap can be found twice in Konquest mode.Mode. One time in Chaosrealm for a side mission and another time walking around in a flamboyant manner in Seido where he can't be interacted in any way aside from punching him out to unlock a fighting style video. * TierInducedScrappy: Hotaru, in addition to the other criticisms of him noted above, is regarded as the least effective in regard to play style playstyle based on the limited usefulness of his attacks, most notably his Lava Burst attack which can be easily nullified by the opponent being too far or too close. Thankfully when Thankfully, he returns in Videogame/MortalKombatArmageddon he gets received some well needed adjustments, well-needed adjustments in ''[[VideoGame/MortalKombatArmageddon Armageddon]]'', but even then he is roughly mid-tier at best. * WhatAnIdiot: You just had have to facepalm when the Elder Gods Champion (the one before Scorpion) steps in to stop Shujinko and the natural reaction of our [[IdiotHero hero]] is to say "no, "No, it's me!" and initiate a fight, not even thinking for one second how this guy reached the Nexus or why he would make such claims. ** Also Raiden blindly accepting Shujinko's story of being the champion Champion of the Elder Gods based on him "having the strength of ten fighters" without ever bothering to check with them to corroborate his story arguably also counts. * WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some of Seido's actions (particularly its suppression of people's freedoms ("freedom leads to anarchy, anarchy leads to Chaos, Chaos leads to suffering") and its wars against Chaosrealm and Outworld) seem like a [[TakeThat derisive]] reference to the United States' national security policies under the then-current Bush Administration and American involvement in the then-ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of the larger War on Terrorism. This game also came out in 2004 (when a presidential election occurred) and Chicago (where the Mortal Kombat ''Mortal Kombat'' games were made at the time) is a notoriously liberal city in a deep blue state. Make of those last two what you will.

** Special mention has to go to his ''other'' costume, however, as it's not a look that even Sub-Zero can pull off. In a nutshell, he looks like a bald night elf with loose-fitting pyjamas.
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** Special mention has to go to his ''other'' costume, however, as it's not a look that even Sub-Zero can pull off. In a nutshell, he looks like a bald night elf [[VideoGame/{{Warcraft}} night]] [[VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft elf]] with loose-fitting pyjamas.[=PJs=].
28th Jul '15 12:17:44 PM RyRodrigo
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Some fans have this opinion in regard to Sub-Zero's "[[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Shredder]]" outfit that he had in this game as being unfitting for him. [[BrokenBase Though on the other hand]], some fans would consider this NarmCharm in that Kuai Liang is the [[{{Badass}} type of person]] who is [[{{Pun}} cool]] enough to make what would otherwise be ridiculous [[SoCoolItsAwesome look stylishly awesome]].
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* WTHCostumingDepartment: Some fans have this opinion in regard to Sub-Zero's "[[Franchise/TeenageMutantNinjaTurtles Shredder]]" outfit that he had in this game as being unfitting for him. [[BrokenBase Though on the other hand]], some fans would consider this NarmCharm in that Kuai Liang is the [[{{Badass}} type of person]] who is [[{{Pun}} cool]] enough to make what would otherwise be ridiculous [[SoCoolItsAwesome look stylishly awesome]].awesome]]. ** Special mention has to go to his ''other'' costume, however, as it's not a look that even Sub-Zero can pull off. In a nutshell, he looks like a bald night elf with loose-fitting pyjamas.
26th Jul '15 3:52:31 PM SunPraiser
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** Havik, due to his unorthodox playstyle and hints of him and his people being {{Cloudcuckoolander}}s. There is currently a lot of fan interest in him making the roster of ''MortalKombatX'', notably being the only ''Deception'' character of choice. [[spoiler: If he survives his encounter with Takeda in the comics, that is: he has been made the BigBad of a story arc in the prequel comics, after all]].
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** Havik, due to his unorthodox playstyle and hints of him and his people being {{Cloudcuckoolander}}s. There is currently a lot of fan interest in him making the roster of ''MortalKombatX'', notably being the only ''Deception'' character of choice. [[spoiler: If he survives his encounter with Takeda in the comics, Takeda, that is: he has been made the BigBad of a story arc in the prequel comics, after all]].
26th Jul '15 3:52:00 PM SunPraiser
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** Havik, due to his unorthodox playstyle and hints of him and his people being {{Cloudcuckoolander}}s. There is currently a lot of fan interest in him making the roster of ''MortalKombatX'', notably being the only ''Deception'' character of choice.
to:
** Havik, due to his unorthodox playstyle and hints of him and his people being {{Cloudcuckoolander}}s. There is currently a lot of fan interest in him making the roster of ''MortalKombatX'', notably being the only ''Deception'' character of choice. [[spoiler: If he survives his encounter with Takeda in the comics, that is: he has been made the BigBad of a story arc in the prequel comics, after all]].
2nd Jun '15 2:21:06 PM JesseMB27
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* RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized to a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[TotalitarianUtilitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by the looser definition of the term]]).
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* RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized to a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[TotalitarianUtilitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by the looser definition of the term]]). Even if Hotaru holds such a philosophy, to claim that the makers of Mortal Kombat are condoning this detestable ideology is as absurd as claiming that [[Franchise/MarvelUniverse Marvel Comics]] condones the likes of the Comicbook/RedSkull by his mere existence in their fictional universe.

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* RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized WhatDoYouMeanItsNotPolitical: Some of Seido's actions (particularly its suppression of people's freedoms ("freedom leads to anarchy, anarchy leads to Chaos, Chaos leads to suffering") and its wars against Chaosrealm and Outworld) seem like a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going [[TakeThat derisive]] reference to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist United States' national security policies under the then-current Bush Administration and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[TotalitarianUtilitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by American involvement in the looser definition then-ongoing wars in Iraq and Afghanistan as part of the term]]).larger War on Terrorism. This game also came out in 2004 (when a presidential election occurred) and Chicago (where the Mortal Kombat games were made at the time) is a notoriously liberal city in a deep blue state. Make of those last two what you will.
2nd Jun '15 1:26:35 PM JesseMB27
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** Also for that matter, the society of Seido as whole can be subject to a sort of Alternative Societal Interpretation if only because the makers decided to abandon making any reference to it due to its associated characters (Hotaru, Darrius, and Dairou) falling into disfavor with the fans. Is it an ideal society that has some strict but fair laws? Is it an [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans oppressive tyranny]] that [[FalseUtopia is hiding behind a deceptive fašade]]? And also are those who are members of the Seidan Senate and other public officeholders have its citizens best interests even if they are making some morally gray choices to insure its protection or [[ManipulativeBastard manipulative oligarchs]] who abuse that as an excuse to control people's lives for their own benefit.

* FridgeBrilliance: Aside from the improbably of a Chinese person having a Japanese name in circa late-nineteenth century/early twentieth century China, Shujinko's name does make some sense in-story. The name translates into English as "Protagonist" and what role is he playing when at the start of Deception's Konquest mode while playing a game of make believe with some fellow classmates? He's roleplaying as the hero against fellow students who are playing as the antagonistic Shang Tsung and Goro. Perhaps he got to play the role of hero so often that Shujinko stuck as a nickname.

* TierInducedScrappy: Hotaru, in addition to the other criticism of him noted above, is regarded as the least effective in regard to play style based on the limited usefulness of his attacks, most notably his Lava Burst attack which can be easily nullified by the opponent being too far or too close. Thankfully when he returns in Videogame/MortalKombatArmageddon he gets some well needed adjustments, but even then he is roughly mid-tier at best.
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* TakeThatScrappy: Mokap can be found twice in Konquest mode. One time in Chaosrealm for a side mission and another time walking around in a flamboyant manner in Seido where he can't be interacted in any way aside from punching him out to unlock a fighting style video. * TierInducedScrappy: Hotaru, in addition to the other criticism criticisms of him noted above, is regarded as the least effective in regard to play style based on the limited usefulness of his attacks, most notably his Lava Burst attack which can be easily nullified by the opponent being too far or too close. Thankfully when he returns in Videogame/MortalKombatArmageddon he gets some well needed adjustments, but even then he is roughly mid-tier at best.
1st Jun '15 11:03:18 AM JesseMB27
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* RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized to a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[UtilitarianTotalitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by the looser definition of the term]]).
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* RonTheDeathEater: [[AntiVillain Hotaru]] is frequently demonized to a degree greater than the way he is presented in canon with some detractors going to the extreme of claiming he is ANaziByAnyOtherName. While it is true that he is a Legalist and possibly can also be interpreted as an Authoritarianist ([[UtilitarianTotalitarian ([[TotalitarianUtilitarian though one with Utilitarian motivations]]), but there is no concrete evidence that he holds views that resemble those of [[TheSocialDarwinist fascism]] (unless one is [[GodwinsLaw going by the looser definition of the term]]).
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