History YMMV / MortalKombat9

14th Jan '17 6:12:21 PM CommanderAce
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** Shang Tsung's ''Bang Bang!'' fatality. Some find it a hilarious TakeThat towards the Joker's censored fatality in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatVsDCUniverse''. Others see it as completely OutOfCharacter or ill-fitting for Shang Tsung.
** [[ScrappyMechanic Babalities]] are back in the game. Without Friendships or Animalities to accompany them.
** There's also the announcement that goes both ways: Unmasked Sub-Zero, YAYYYYY! Wait, Retro [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]], BOOOOOO!
** [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]] is a HUGE one among the fans thanks to being seen as not only unnecessary, but a rather cheap way to change the timeline as well. It doesn't help that the narrator has no voice clip for his name and that his ending is just a cutscene with absolutely no voice acting at all. Many fans dislike fan-favorite Sub-Zero being cyberized then uncerimoniously killed off, while others like the change and find Cyber Sub-Zero's moves and playstyle sufficiently different to make him an engaging character in his own right. Then others contest that his moveset makes him ''too'' good, verging on a GameBreaker.

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** Shang Tsung's ''Bang Bang!'' fatality. Some find it a hilarious TakeThat towards the Joker's censored fatality in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatVsDCUniverse''. Others see it as completely OutOfCharacter or ill-fitting for Shang Tsung.
** [[ScrappyMechanic Babalities]] are back in the game. Without Friendships or Animalities to accompany them.
** There's also the announcement that goes both ways: Unmasked Sub-Zero, YAYYYYY! Wait, Retro [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]], BOOOOOO!
** [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]]
Cyber Sub-Zero is a HUGE one among the fans thanks to being seen as not only unnecessary, but a rather cheap way to change the timeline as well. It doesn't help that the narrator has no voice clip for his name and that his ending is just a cutscene with absolutely no voice acting at all. Many fans dislike fan-favorite Sub-Zero being cyberized then uncerimoniously killed off, while others like the change and find Cyber Sub-Zero's moves and playstyle sufficiently different to make him an engaging character in his own right. Then others contest that his moveset makes him ''too'' good, verging on a GameBreaker.



* BrokenBase: Chapter 15 in Story mode has ''only'' two sides to it: either it's a WhamEpisode [[TearJerker that left many fans in tears]] after seeing [[spoiler:their favorite characters get killed by Sindel so easily and abruptly]] or it's a clumsy ''failed'' attempt at being a WhamEpisode because of [[spoiler:[[DroppedABridgeOnHim how sloppy the deaths were]], and because of the obvious DiabolusExMachina]].

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Chapter 15 in Story mode has ''only'' two sides to it: either it's a WhamEpisode [[TearJerker that left many fans in tears]] after seeing [[spoiler:their favorite characters get killed by Sindel so easily and abruptly]] or it's a clumsy ''failed'' attempt at being a WhamEpisode because of [[spoiler:[[DroppedABridgeOnHim how sloppy the deaths were]], and because of the obvious DiabolusExMachina]].



** Shang Tsung's ''Bang Bang!'' fatality. Some find it a hilarious TakeThat towards the Joker's censored fatality in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatVsDCUniverse''. Others see it as completely OutOfCharacter or ill-fitting for Shang Tsung.
** [[ScrappyMechanic Babalities]] are back in the game. Without Friendships or Animalities to accompany them.
** There's also the announcement that goes both ways: Unmasked Sub-Zero, YAYYYYY! Wait, Retro [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]], BOOOOOO!



** Stryker's pre-battle quote is "Police brutality, coming up!", a threat he makes good on even if the player chooses not to use a Fatality. A few years later, police brutality would become something highly frowned upon.

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** Stryker's pre-battle quote is "Police brutality, coming up!", a threat he makes good on even if the player chooses not to use a Fatality. A few years later, police brutality would become something highly frowned upon. a hot button issue in America due to several publicized police shootings.



** In addition to the above, three others who some fans believe to still be alive and possibly return in the sequel are [[spoiler:Shang Tsung, Noob Saibot, and Shao Kahn]]. In the case of the first is that [[spoiler:Shang Tsung]] is known to be a death-phobic individual who may have had some sort of contingency plan in place and thus [[spoiler: had a back-up body to put his own soul into after Shao Kahn absorbed his souls to empower Sindel]]. As for the second, Scorpion was also known to have been [[spoiler:sucked into a Soulnado and survived]], thus it wouldn't be impossible for him to have survived as well. As for the last, there are some who believe that [[spoiler: he wasn't killed by Raiden and the Elder Gods but merely sentenced to some sort of Phantom Zone like containment]]. Also in the case of the first two, among those to be revealed [[spoiler:to have their souls enslaved by Quan Chi]], they were both absent possibly suggesting they are still alive. [[spoiler:''MKX'' has Shang mentioned in Johnny's Arcade Tower ending and actually bring himself back to life using Ermac's souls in Ermac's ending, whereas some characters' intro dialogue against Ermac, including [[MirrorMatch Ermac himself]], suggest that Kahn's soul is residing inside Ermac.]]

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** In addition to the above, three others who some fans believe to still be alive and possibly return in the sequel are [[spoiler:Shang Tsung, Noob Saibot, and Shao Kahn]]. In the case of the first is that [[spoiler:Shang Tsung]] is known to be a death-phobic individual who may have had some sort of contingency plan in place and thus [[spoiler: had a back-up body to put his own soul into after Shao Kahn absorbed his souls to empower Sindel]]. As for the second, Scorpion was also known to have been [[spoiler:sucked into a Soulnado and survived]], thus it wouldn't be impossible for him to have survived as well. As for the last, there are some who believe that [[spoiler: he wasn't killed by Raiden and the Elder Gods but merely sentenced to some sort of Phantom Zone like containment]]. Also in the case of the first two, among those to be revealed [[spoiler:to have their souls enslaved by Quan Chi]], they were both absent possibly suggesting they are still alive. [[spoiler:''MKX'' has Shang mentioned in Johnny's Arcade Tower ending and actually bring himself back to life using Ermac's souls in Ermac's ending, whereas some characters' intro dialogue against Ermac, including [[MirrorMatch Ermac himself]], suggest that Kahn's soul is residing inside Ermac. Finally, a few intro dialogues involving Sub-Zero outright suggest Noob is alive and his whereabouts are unknown.]]



** Freddy Krueger wouldn't be the last horror movie villain to show up in the series, as [[Franchise/FridayThe13th his rival Jason]] and fellow icon [[Franchise/TheTexasChainsawMassacre Leatherface]] showed up in ''VideoGame/MortalKombatX'' as playable kharacters.



* HolyShitQuotient: The X-Ray moves and Fatalities in particular have high [=HSQs=], though there's no shortage of this in the game's storyline as well.

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* HolyShitQuotient: The X-Ray moves and Fatalities in particular have high [=HSQs=], though there's no shortage of this in the game's storyline as well. Particular mention goes to the massacre in Chapter 15



* MemeticLoser: Scorpion, a.k.a. [[http://j0sero.deviantart.com/art/MK-Scorpion-Then-and-Now-303090291 "Quan Chi's bitch"]]. Thankfully averted in [[VideoGame/MortalKombatX the next iteration]].

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* MemeticLoser: MemeticLoser:
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Scorpion, a.k.a. [[http://j0sero.deviantart.com/art/MK-Scorpion-Then-and-Now-303090291 "Quan Chi's bitch"]]. bitch"]], due to his utmost complacency to Quan Chi and being fooled by him at one point. Thankfully averted in [[VideoGame/MortalKombatX the next iteration]].game]].



** Raiden thanks to his WhatAnIdiot moments derailing the timeline and negatively affecting the heroes.



* NarmCharm: Some of the game's corny dialogue and extreme [[WorldOfHam hamminess]] is what makes it so good.

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* NarmCharm: Some of the game's corny dialogue and extreme [[WorldOfHam hamminess]] is what makes it so good.good and endearing.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: If ''[[VideoGame/MortalKombatArmageddon Armageddon]]'' didn't rescue Stryker, this game surely did. Aside of an even cooler riot suit, any traces of his previous CreatorsPet-ness [[TookALevelInBadass have been replaced by pure, unadulterated]] badassery. Having a good VA (Creator/MatthewMercer), as well as a mellow, savvy personality doesn't hurt either.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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If ''[[VideoGame/MortalKombatArmageddon Armageddon]]'' didn't rescue Stryker, this game surely did. Aside of an even cooler riot suit, any traces of his previous CreatorsPet-ness [[TookALevelInBadass have been replaced by pure, unadulterated]] badassery. Having a good VA (Creator/MatthewMercer), as well as a mellow, savvy personality doesn't hurt either.



** This game has a lot of players wishing that the sequel involves [[RageAgainstTheHeavens kicking the collective asses of the Elder Gods]], for doing nothing to help the heroes.
*** It's almost like the story is ''intentionally'' making you hate the Elder Gods with the unbridled fury of one thousand white-hot suns to garner a KickTheSonOfABitch[=/=]RootingForTheEmpire reaction from [[spoiler:Shinnok's inevitable escape from the Netherrealm.]]
*** Raiden is now this due to his many WhatAnIdiot moments. Among fans, he's usually treated as just being put through bad writing and still maintains a good deal of popularity.
*** The demon in the Krypt is not only seen as a [[JumpScare nuisance]], but makes many players [[ParanoiaFuel not want to go back there]].

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** This game has a lot of players wishing that the sequel a future game involves [[RageAgainstTheHeavens kicking the collective asses of the Elder Gods]], for doing nothing to help the heroes.
*** It's almost like the story is ''intentionally'' making you hate the Elder Gods with the unbridled fury of one thousand white-hot suns to garner a KickTheSonOfABitch[=/=]RootingForTheEmpire reaction from [[spoiler:Shinnok's inevitable escape from the Netherrealm.]]
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** Raiden is now this for some due to his many WhatAnIdiot moments. Among fans, he's moments, in contrast to his usually treated as just being put through bad writing and still maintains a good deal well-liked depictions in the rest of popularity.
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the series.
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The demon in the Krypt is not only seen as a [[JumpScare nuisance]], but makes many players [[ParanoiaFuel not want to go back there]].



* ThatOneBoss: All the bosses in grand tradition are this, but Shao Kahn regardless of match up is an SNKBoss that will send you crying for mommy.

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* ThatOneBoss: All the bosses in grand tradition are this, but Shao Kahn regardless of match up is an SNKBoss that will send you home crying for mommy.



** Freddy Krueger. While his moveset takes inspirations from the [=NoESt.=] franchise as a whole, his appearance is based on [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010 the remake's]] Creator/JackieEarleHaley (aka the ReplacementScrappy ) instead of the original film's Creator/RobertEnglund, who is more iconic and also has more personality. Aside from that, they turned one of cinema's biggest BondOneLiner machines into TheVoiceless.
* TierInducedScrappy: Shang Tsung. He can only morph into to the character being fought, and they can block this to prevent it. His moves aren't that great, one of which even leaves you open for attack, and is easy to do by mistake when throwing combos involving uppercuts. And 2 of his big advantages, his grab and Soul Steal, are useless on the bosses. He can be played okay in the right hands, but even then, he's moderately good at best.

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** Freddy Krueger. While his moveset takes inspirations from the [=NoESt.=] franchise as a whole, his appearance is based on [[Film/ANightmareOnElmStreet2010 the remake's]] Creator/JackieEarleHaley (aka the ReplacementScrappy ) instead of the original film's Creator/RobertEnglund, who is more iconic and also has more personality. Aside from that, they turned one of cinema's biggest BondOneLiner machines into TheVoiceless.
beloved Creator/RobertEnglund and is TheVoiceless in contrast to his usual penchant for one-liners.
* TierInducedScrappy: TierInducedScrappy:
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Shang Tsung. He can only morph into to the character being fought, and they can block this to prevent it. His moves aren't that great, one of which even leaves you open for attack, and is easy to do by mistake when throwing combos involving uppercuts. And 2 of his big advantages, his grab and Soul Steal, are useless on the bosses. He can be played okay in the right hands, but even then, he's moderately good at best.



** To some degree for some fans, Liu Kang, while he is right about Raiden in the end to an extent, he loses trust in Raiden because of Raiden's changes of time. However, when you think about it, most of the changes would not of done much other then be of use since WE SAW THE OPENING WHERE EVERYBODY IS DEAD. Anything Raiden did, for the most part, was an improvement. However, Liu Kang is justified as he did not actually see the visions.

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** To some degree for some fans, Liu Kang, while he is right about Raiden in the end to an extent, he loses trust in Raiden because of Raiden's changes of time. However, when you think about it, most This is in spite of the changes would not of done much other then be of use since WE SAW THE OPENING WHERE EVERYBODY IS DEAD. Anything fact Raiden did, has to juggle the responsibility of protecting the heroes and change the timeline for the most part, was better, which is not an improvement.easy task. However, Liu Kang is justified as he did not actually see the visions.



*** [[spoiler:Inversely, Liu Kang was given multiple warning shots by Raiden before get his block knocked off before attempting to go all "TOASTY!" on Raiden, though he was in a highly emotional state during the fight and couldn't be reasoned with by that point.]]

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*** [[spoiler:Inversely, Liu Kang was given multiple warning shots by Raiden before get he gets his block knocked off before attempting to go all "TOASTY!" on Raiden, though he was in a highly emotional state during the fight and couldn't be reasoned with by that point.]]



** Long story short, this game made the setting a CrapsackWorld. It is utterly heartwrenching to see the domino effect screw over nearly ''everyone''.

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** Long story short, this game made the setting a CrapsackWorld. It is utterly heartwrenching heart-wrenching to see the domino effect screw over nearly ''everyone''.
5th Dec '16 8:06:06 PM ChrisX
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** Liu Kang. In the past, he was regularly overshadowed by everyone else. This is changed by having him be more of a chosen one ("He must win" [[spoiler:though Raiden realizes that the message meant something else entirely]]) and by developing his relation with Raiden [[spoiler:by making them become estranged enemies by some of the latter's decisions sometimes having detrimental ramifications]].

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** Liu Kang. In the past, he was regularly overshadowed by everyone else. This is changed by having him be more of a chosen one ("He must win" [[spoiler:though Raiden realizes that the message meant something else entirely]]) and by developing his relation with Raiden [[spoiler:by making them become estranged enemies by some of the latter's decisions sometimes having detrimental ramifications]]. That is, [[BaseBreakingCharacter if they don't consider this new development, especially how it ends up in the next game, to be actually worse than being overshadowed like before.]]
5th Dec '16 8:04:07 PM ChrisX
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** Sindel, too. Both in-game and out. What she did was horrible but she was [[spoiler:[[BrainwashedAndCrazy under the control of Shao Kahn and the spell of Quan Chi]]. From the moment she was resurrected by Quan Chi and put under his spell, Sindel was basically their puppet, and they were the ones using souls to boost her powers to crazy levels and turn her into some kind of juggernaut. Sindel by herself is powerful ([[WordOfGod the most powerful female character in the games so far]]), but still not nearly enough under any other circumstances to take out practically everyone in quick succession, let alone with little to no effort; Quan Chi and Shao Kahn are the ones who caused that and were in control of the situation. Furthermore, in her Arcade Ladder ending, the spell is broken and Sindel is no longer imbued with Shang Tsung's souls, and as a result she returns to her normal self and [[HeelFaceTurn aligns with the heroes again]], indicating she would not have chosen the side of evil or gone homicidal maniac like that if she'd still had free will or been in her right mind. Now she is doomed to be an undead slave along with those she murdered, and is being viewed as a monster for something that she didn't plan and was outside of her control.]]

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** Sindel, too. Both in-game and out. What she did was horrible but she was [[spoiler:[[BrainwashedAndCrazy under the control of Shao Kahn and the spell of Quan Chi]]. From the moment she was resurrected by Quan Chi and put under his spell, Sindel was basically their puppet, and they were the ones using souls to boost her powers to crazy levels and turn her into some kind of juggernaut. Sindel by herself is powerful ([[WordOfGod the most powerful female character in the games so far]]), but still not nearly enough under any other circumstances to take out practically everyone in quick succession, let alone with little to no effort; Quan Chi and Shao Kahn are the ones who caused that and were in control of the situation. Furthermore, in her Arcade Ladder ending, the spell is broken and Sindel is no longer imbued with Shang Tsung's souls, and as a result she returns to her normal self and [[HeelFaceTurn aligns with the heroes again]], indicating she would not have chosen the side of evil or gone homicidal maniac like that if she'd still had free will or been in her right mind. Now she is doomed to be an undead slave along with those she murdered, and is being viewed as a monster for something that she didn't plan and was outside of her control.control (which, by the way, her plan after seeing Motaro died earlier was merely 'go to the frontline herself'... she certainly didn't expect Shao Kahn to have ideas on his own).]]
5th Dec '16 8:01:20 PM ChrisX
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* TheScrappy: Sindel after the events of Chapter 15 [[spoiler:where she effortlessly curbstomps 10 people at once killing all but Johnny Cage and Sonya.]]

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* TheScrappy: Sindel after the events of Chapter 15 [[spoiler:where she effortlessly curbstomps 10 people at once killing all but Johnny Cage and Sonya.]] Only in this reboot, because original timeline!Sindel was actually received normally without strong hatred. And even then, this event sticks out and making people forget some facts that Sindel didn't ask about being empowered with Shang Tsung's souls and losing her mind, and Shao Kahn wouldn't have done this if it wasn't for Raiden interrupting and killing Motaro earlier than expected (which Sindel suggested that she goes to the frontline... and that's it). But that mass-murder scene is [[NeverLiveItDown kind of hard to forget.]]
4th Dec '16 5:33:42 AM fusilcontrafusil
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*** With the reveal that the fourth DLC character is [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet Freddy Krueger]], the fanbase is further split between those who think he's a welcome addition and those who feel that he's even less fitting in the game than Kratos is and that the reveal is a disappointment after the hype leading up to his release.

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*** ** With the reveal that the fourth DLC character is [[Franchise/ANightmareOnElmStreet Freddy Krueger]], the fanbase is further split between those who think he's a welcome addition and those who feel that he's even less fitting in the game than Kratos is and that the reveal is a disappointment after the hype leading up to his release.
4th Dec '16 5:33:20 AM fusilcontrafusil
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quan Chi. He's either a {{troll}}ish MagnificentBastard or a boring Villain Sue and a spotlight hog.

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Quan Chi. He's either a {{troll}}ish MagnificentBastard MagnificentBastard, or a boring Villain Sue and a spotlight hog.hog due to being {{retcon}}ned into the events of the first few games.
17th Nov '16 8:18:30 AM ErikModi
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** [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]] is a HUGE one among the fans thanks to being seen as not only unnecessary, but a rather cheap way to change the timeline as well. It doesn't help that the narrator has no voice clip for his name and that his ending is just a cutscene with absolutely no voice acting at all.

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** [[spoiler:Cyber Sub-Zero]] is a HUGE one among the fans thanks to being seen as not only unnecessary, but a rather cheap way to change the timeline as well. It doesn't help that the narrator has no voice clip for his name and that his ending is just a cutscene with absolutely no voice acting at all. Many fans dislike fan-favorite Sub-Zero being cyberized then uncerimoniously killed off, while others like the change and find Cyber Sub-Zero's moves and playstyle sufficiently different to make him an engaging character in his own right. Then others contest that his moveset makes him ''too'' good, verging on a GameBreaker.
17th Nov '16 7:03:45 AM ErikModi
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** To a lesser extent, the blatant {{Fanservice}} in all the costumes, especially the female ones. Some players don't care or like the skimpy outfits, while others feel it's too much of a good thing or undermines some important characters (Sonya's ludicrously impractical outfit is probably the best example of this). Some felt it was pushed ''so'' far Netherrealm should have just make a "Nude Kombat" mode and be done with it. Responding to these complaints is likely why the {{Fanservice}} and {{Stripperific}} details were ''severely'' toned-down for the next game.
9th Oct '16 5:20:42 PM DustSnitch
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** Ermac's fanbase increased substantially after this game, mainly due to how {{badass}} he's portrayed in the game's story (effectively being the only villain other than Sindel to actually have a couple wins onscreen and making an appearance that presents him as a bigger threat than a team-up of Goro and Kintaro).

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** Ermac's fanbase increased substantially after this game, mainly due to how {{badass}} badass he's portrayed in the game's story (effectively being the only villain other than Sindel to actually have a couple wins onscreen and making an appearance that presents him as a bigger threat than a team-up of Goro and Kintaro).



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: If ''[[VideoGame/MortalKombatArmageddon Armageddon]]'' didn't rescue Stryker, this game surely did. Aside of an even cooler riot suit, any traces of his previous CreatorsPet-ness [[TookALevelInBadass have been replaced by pure, unadulterated]] {{badass}}ery. Having a good VA (Creator/MatthewMercer), as well as a mellow, savvy personality doesn't hurt either.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: If ''[[VideoGame/MortalKombatArmageddon Armageddon]]'' didn't rescue Stryker, this game surely did. Aside of an even cooler riot suit, any traces of his previous CreatorsPet-ness [[TookALevelInBadass have been replaced by pure, unadulterated]] {{badass}}ery.badassery. Having a good VA (Creator/MatthewMercer), as well as a mellow, savvy personality doesn't hurt either.
23rd Sep '16 11:42:50 AM otaking3582
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** Stryker's pre-battle quote is "Police brutality, coming up!", a threat he makes good on even if the player chooses not to use a Fatality. A few years later, police brutality would become something highly frowned upon.
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