History YMMV / Monster

11th Oct '17 10:25:59 AM VisitorAlex
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* DracoInLeatherPants: '''Johan Liebert'''. Given that he is a [[EvilIsSexy fairly attractive young man]], this treatment was practically unavoidable. If anything, some fans have a habit of always excusing Johan's actions in a sympathetic light, no matter how flawed the argument is.
23rd Sep '17 11:10:41 AM ChaoticQueen
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* EndingFatigue: 74 episodes. Shots sustained simply to reproduce the manga rather than narrative purpose. Repeatedly winding up suspense to yet another lack of climax. ''Monster'' in general is a series that likes to take its sweet time in doing things. In general, it loved to do this thing where it would basically make the main protagonist, Tenma, disappear for a little while, introduce a side character or small set of side characters, give them ADayInTheLimelight and sufficient CharacterDevelopment to get the audience to like or remember them to some extent, and then much later reintroduce Tenma to clean up whatever the new characters were doing. The epitome of this would be the Bayern arc, for introducing about six new characters that went on with their own problems for, in the manga, about 15-20 chapters before Tenma even shows back up, and even then, the main plot is largely disconnected from this. All-in-all, the characters this arc focused on really didn't impact the plot in any huge way but was largely still compelling enough to read through to when it would.
14th Aug '17 4:29:56 PM DoctorCooper
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* JerkassWoobie: Eva.

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* JerkassWoobie: Eva. She just wants to fill the hole of having lost Tenma, but does so wrongly by becoming an alcoholic. None of her relationships post-Tenma were successful, [[spoiler:maybe except the one with Martin, and then he dies saving her]].
17th Jun '17 2:05:10 PM Silverblade2
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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of [[ForTheEvulz causing evil]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.

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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, ComicBook/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of [[ForTheEvulz causing evil]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.
31st Mar '17 7:29:22 PM _____________
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21st Mar '17 10:49:27 PM VanSisean
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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[Cool old Guy respected Turkish elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.

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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[Cool old Guy [[CoolOldGuy respected Turkish elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.
21st Mar '17 10:48:42 PM VanSisean
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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a respected Turkish elder. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.

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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[Cool old Guy respected Turkish elder.elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.
19th Mar '17 2:09:53 AM DrPsyche
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* {{Narm}}: When Runge is being strangled he's sticking his swollen tongue out. It's a realistic depiction of strangulation (a combination of the tongue losing circulation and swelling and a last ditch attempt by the body to open the mouth and get more air) and it's also really silly looking.
18th Jan '17 7:01:17 AM Wuz
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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of their own [[ItAmusedMe amusement]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.

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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of their own [[ItAmusedMe amusement]], [[ForTheEvulz causing evil]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.
6th Jan '17 9:28:18 PM Tehrannotaur
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* CompleteMonster: This work, dedicated to exploring whether there is such a thing as pure evil, concludes that while anybody, no matter now heinous, can be redeemed, it is [[DissonantSerenity Johan Liebert's]] refusal to seek redemption that makes him the titular monster. A {{sadist}}ic [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] and ManipulativeBastard since he [[EnfanteTerrible learned to walk and talk]], Johan murdered his own foster parents and manipulated over 50 adults and children into massacring each other even [[CorruptionByAMinor as a preteen]], and, as an adult, Johan is on a personal journey to become, in his own words, [[CardCarryingVillain as dark as possible]]. He is also trying to find out if there is anyone as evil as he is out there, or, failing that, forcing the heroic [[BigGood Dr. Tenma]], and/or his own pacifistic [[CainAndAbel sister]], Nina Foertner, to [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred kill him in cold blood]]. In this way, he hopes to establish that even [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim the best people can become just like him]]. Along the way he [[WouldHurtAChild convinces children to jump from rooftops]], gets a recovering [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] drunk before throwing him off a building, sets a highly-occupied library aflame, and convinces various {{serial killer}}s to murder every foster family he has ever lived with, as part of his quest to become an {{unperson}}. In the end, Johan tries to manipulate the population of an entire town into slaughtering each other, and, failing at this, prepares to shoot a child in the head just to torture Tenma. Numerous {{Freudian Excuse}}s are proposed for Johan's behavior, yet each one is ultimately undermined, revealing that in the end, Johan simply is pure, unadulterated evil.

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* CompleteMonster: This work, dedicated to exploring whether there is such a thing as pure evil, concludes that while anybody, no matter now heinous, can be redeemed, it is [[DissonantSerenity Johan Liebert's]] [[RedemptionRejection refusal to seek redemption redemption]] that makes him the titular monster. A {{sadist}}ic [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] and ManipulativeBastard since he [[EnfanteTerrible learned to walk and talk]], Johan murdered his own foster parents and manipulated over 50 adults and children into massacring each other even [[CorruptionByAMinor as a preteen]], and, as an adult, Johan is on a personal journey to become, in his own words, [[CardCarryingVillain as dark as possible]]. He is also trying to find out if there is anyone as evil as he is out there, or, failing that, forcing the heroic [[BigGood Dr. Tenma]], and/or his own pacifistic [[CainAndAbel sister]], Nina Foertner, to [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred kill him in cold blood]]. In this way, he hopes to establish that even [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim the best people can become just like him]]. Along the way he [[WouldHurtAChild convinces children to jump from rooftops]], gets a recovering [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] drunk before throwing him off a building, sets a highly-occupied library aflame, and convinces various {{serial killer}}s to murder every foster family he has ever lived with, as part of his quest to become an {{unperson}}. In the end, Johan tries to manipulate the population of an entire town into slaughtering each other, and, failing at this, prepares to shoot a child in the head just to torture Tenma. Numerous {{Freudian Excuse}}s are proposed for Johan's behavior, yet each one is ultimately undermined, revealing that in the end, Johan simply is pure, unadulterated evil.
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