History YMMV / Monster

21st Mar '17 10:49:27 PM VanSisean
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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[Cool old Guy respected Turkish elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.

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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[Cool old Guy [[CoolOldGuy respected Turkish elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.
21st Mar '17 10:48:42 PM VanSisean
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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a respected Turkish elder. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.

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** In fairness, that same arc depicts most of the leaders of the Turkish community as people who make [[BigotVsBigot prejudiced]] [[BlackAndGrayMorality insinuations]] about Turkish sex workers and women seeking out [[GermanicDepressives interracial relationships with ethnic Germans or involving themselves with German clientele]] getting what they deserve when they (invariably) disappear or face other adverse circumstances, to say nothing of the fact that they initially dismiss Tenma's warnings about the extremists' plan at least in part by pointing out the fact that he is a ''Japanese'' outsider who is unaffiliated with the Turkish community, and have to be set straight by a [[Cool old Guy respected Turkish elder.elder]]. While their wariness is somewhat understandable, their attitudes still seem to stem from xenophobic impulses.
19th Mar '17 2:09:53 AM DrPsyche
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* {{Narm}}: When Runge is being strangled he's sticking his swollen tongue out. It's a realistic depiction of strangulation (a combination of the tongue losing circulation and swelling and a last ditch attempt by the body to open the mouth and get more air) and it's also really silly looking.
18th Jan '17 7:01:17 AM Wuz
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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of their own [[ItAmusedMe amusement]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.

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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of their own [[ItAmusedMe amusement]], [[ForTheEvulz causing evil]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.
6th Jan '17 9:28:18 PM Tehrannotaur
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* CompleteMonster: This work, dedicated to exploring whether there is such a thing as pure evil, concludes that while anybody, no matter now heinous, can be redeemed, it is [[DissonantSerenity Johan Liebert's]] refusal to seek redemption that makes him the titular monster. A {{sadist}}ic [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] and ManipulativeBastard since he [[EnfanteTerrible learned to walk and talk]], Johan murdered his own foster parents and manipulated over 50 adults and children into massacring each other even [[CorruptionByAMinor as a preteen]], and, as an adult, Johan is on a personal journey to become, in his own words, [[CardCarryingVillain as dark as possible]]. He is also trying to find out if there is anyone as evil as he is out there, or, failing that, forcing the heroic [[BigGood Dr. Tenma]], and/or his own pacifistic [[CainAndAbel sister]], Nina Foertner, to [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred kill him in cold blood]]. In this way, he hopes to establish that even [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim the best people can become just like him]]. Along the way he [[WouldHurtAChild convinces children to jump from rooftops]], gets a recovering [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] drunk before throwing him off a building, sets a highly-occupied library aflame, and convinces various {{serial killer}}s to murder every foster family he has ever lived with, as part of his quest to become an {{unperson}}. In the end, Johan tries to manipulate the population of an entire town into slaughtering each other, and, failing at this, prepares to shoot a child in the head just to torture Tenma. Numerous {{Freudian Excuse}}s are proposed for Johan's behavior, yet each one is ultimately undermined, revealing that in the end, Johan simply is pure, unadulterated evil.

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* CompleteMonster: This work, dedicated to exploring whether there is such a thing as pure evil, concludes that while anybody, no matter now heinous, can be redeemed, it is [[DissonantSerenity Johan Liebert's]] [[RedemptionRejection refusal to seek redemption redemption]] that makes him the titular monster. A {{sadist}}ic [[TheChessmaster chessmaster]] and ManipulativeBastard since he [[EnfanteTerrible learned to walk and talk]], Johan murdered his own foster parents and manipulated over 50 adults and children into massacring each other even [[CorruptionByAMinor as a preteen]], and, as an adult, Johan is on a personal journey to become, in his own words, [[CardCarryingVillain as dark as possible]]. He is also trying to find out if there is anyone as evil as he is out there, or, failing that, forcing the heroic [[BigGood Dr. Tenma]], and/or his own pacifistic [[CainAndAbel sister]], Nina Foertner, to [[StrikeMeDownWithAllOfYourHatred kill him in cold blood]]. In this way, he hopes to establish that even [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim the best people can become just like him]]. Along the way he [[WouldHurtAChild convinces children to jump from rooftops]], gets a recovering [[TheAlcoholic alcoholic]] drunk before throwing him off a building, sets a highly-occupied library aflame, and convinces various {{serial killer}}s to murder every foster family he has ever lived with, as part of his quest to become an {{unperson}}. In the end, Johan tries to manipulate the population of an entire town into slaughtering each other, and, failing at this, prepares to shoot a child in the head just to torture Tenma. Numerous {{Freudian Excuse}}s are proposed for Johan's behavior, yet each one is ultimately undermined, revealing that in the end, Johan simply is pure, unadulterated evil.
21st Dec '16 8:06:20 PM ThePest179
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* CounterpartComparison: Johan Liebert could be thought of as an anime version of SelfDemonstrating/TheJoker, in particular the Joker from ''Film/TheDarkKnight''. Both of them are ruthlessly psychopathic individuals who seek to [[TheCorrupter corrupt other people]] for the sake of their own [[ItAmusedMe amusement]], are [[ManipulativeBastard cunning manipulators]], and seek to break the protagonist by forcing them to kill in order to stop the villain.
4th Dec '16 1:40:20 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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** His relationship with Tenma has a number of possibilities. Was he serious about seeing Tenma as a Father figure and genuinely want to make his life better? Or was he just screwing with him? Or was he screwing with him because he thought it would make his life better?

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** His relationship with Tenma has a number of possibilities. Was he serious about seeing Tenma as a [[ParentalSubstitute Father figure figure]] and genuinely want to make his life better? Or was he just screwing with him? Or was he screwing with him because he thought it would make his life better?
16th Oct '16 2:58:40 PM VanSisean
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** [[TokenEvilTeammate Otto]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Heckel]] probably qualifies for many viewers.

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** [[TokenEvilTeammate Otto]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Heckel]] probably qualifies for many viewers. Even if he may have his place in the series, few people will lament [[ShooOutTheClowns his long absence]] from the story after episode twenty-four (until [[TheBusCameBack he makes a cameo towards the end]]).
16th Oct '16 2:52:50 PM VanSisean
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** [[TokenEvilTeammate Otto]] [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Heckel]] probably qualifies for many viewers.
29th Sep '16 7:59:27 AM Wuz
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* FamilyUnfriendlyAesop: Franz Bonaparta's books deliberately contain plenty of these like, "Sometimes you're simply screwed no matter which choice you take."
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