History YMMV / MobyDick

2nd Feb '16 11:53:20 AM Not_Kirie_Goshima
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* CosmicPlaything: Ahab seems to think of himself as one, or at least during some monologues.
3rd Jan '16 2:22:47 AM KingClark
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Captain Ahab -- revenge-obsessed madman or TragicHero or [[MathematiciansAnswer Both.]]
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Captain Ahab -- revenge-obsessed madman {{revenge}}-obsessed madman, a TragicHero, or TragicHero or [[MathematiciansAnswer Both.]]both?

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4th Nov '15 8:48:51 AM TheLaughingFist
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* RootingForTheEmpire: In modern culture most people will be cheering Moby on as he kills everyone, no matter how sympathetic adaptations try to make the crew. This is because in modern times with the high intelligence of whales being well known, most people don't see Moby Dick as a remorseless monster but as an innocent victim just defending himself.
14th Aug '15 8:27:13 AM krimzonflygon2
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* AwesomeMoments: After Peleg insults Queequeg, Ishmael jumps in to defend him, but Queequeg calmly pulls him back and shows [[ImprobableAimingSkills just how skilled he is with a harpoon.]] -->'''Queequeg''': Cap'n, ee see him small dark spot on water there? Ee see him? Well, s'pose him one whale eye! Well, den...(throws harpoon and hits the oil spot with a dead bulls-eye) Dat whale ''dead''.
11th Jul '15 6:25:57 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Not YMMV, ZC Ds
* TheScrappy: Ishmael in the 2011 version. * ScienceMarchesOn: While the author was very knowledgeable about cetology, some "facts" he used have since been proven to be inaccurate. -->"Be it known that, waiving all argument, I take the good old fashioned ground that the whale is a fish." ** More of a case of ''definitions'' march on. "Fish" originally just meant "animal that lives exclusively in water". Melville recognises that whales are warm-blooded, breathe air, and bear live young, but just doesn't think that a sufficient reason to redefine what "fish" means. ** He also mentions phrenology and physiognomy, both now considered pseudosciences. ** Chapter 105 poo-poohs the notion that whaling might endanger the whale population.
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* %%* TheScrappy: Ishmael in the 2011 version. * ScienceMarchesOn: While the author was very knowledgeable about cetology, some "facts" he used have since been proven to be inaccurate. -->"Be it known that, waiving all argument, I take the good old fashioned ground that the whale is a fish." ** More of a case of ''definitions'' march on. "Fish" originally just meant "animal that lives exclusively in water". Melville recognises that whales are warm-blooded, breathe air, and bear live young, but just doesn't think that a sufficient reason to redefine what "fish" means. ** He also mentions phrenology and physiognomy, both now considered pseudosciences. ** Chapter 105 poo-poohs the notion that whaling might endanger the whale population.version.

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11th Jul '15 6:21:40 PM SpectralTime
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** To modern readers, the three harpooneers can come across as caricatures of Africans (Daggoo), Native Americans (Tashtego) and Polynesians (Queequeg), respectively. However, Melville makes them all sympathetic characters and Ishmael frequently talks about how they're NotSoDifferent from white men.
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** To modern readers, the three harpooneers can come across as caricatures of Africans (Daggoo), Native Americans (Tashtego) and Polynesians (Queequeg), respectively. However, Melville makes them all sympathetic characters and Ishmael frequently talks about how they're NotSoDifferent from white men. In fact, he deliberately created them to ''defy'' stereotypes, with Tashtego being gloomy and fatalistic while Queequeg is cheerful and down-to-earth.
16th Aug '14 9:45:11 PM Sheora
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* ScienceMarchesOn: While the author was very knowledgeable about cetology, some "facts" he used have since been proven to be inaccurate. -->"Be it known that, waiving all argument, I take the good old fashioned ground that the whale is a fish." ** More of a case of ''definitions'' march on. "Fish" originally just meant "animal that lives exclusively in water". Melville recognises that whales are warm-blooded, breathe air, and bear live young, but just doesn't think that a sufficient reason to redefine what "fish" means. ** He also mentions phrenology and physiognomy, both now considered pseudosciences. ** Chapter 105 poo-poohs the notion that whaling might endanger the whale population.
23rd May '14 11:20:34 AM Aquila89
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** This work in particular took several decades to attain the critical status it enjoys today.
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** This work in particular took several decades to attain the critical status it enjoys today. Melville was previously a successful author of travel books that are forgotten today; after the failure of Moby Dick, his career declined. As a literary critic noted, he's probably the only writer in history to be ruined by his one masterpiece.
30th Mar '14 5:58:41 AM kchishol
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** Through most of ''Moby-Dick'', the sperm whale was a monster, the legendary leviathan to be hunted down and killed for its oil and spermaceti. Melville admonshed people not to burn sperm-candles or lamp oil recklessly, not because he wished to spare the whales' lives, but because so many human sailors died every year on whaling expeditions. In the modern world, just about every species of whale is endangered, and whaling was one of the main reasons for their dangerously low numbers in the wild; "save the whales" is a rallying cry more people support than oppose. Yet at the time the story was written, whale populations were much larger, and nothing was known of whalesong or other such indicators of cetacean intelligence.
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** Through most of ''Moby-Dick'', the sperm whale was a monster, the legendary leviathan to be hunted down and killed for its oil and spermaceti. Melville admonshed people not to burn sperm-candles or lamp oil recklessly, not because he wished to spare the whales' lives, but because so many human sailors died every year on whaling expeditions. In the modern world, just about every species of whale is endangered, and whaling was one of the main reasons for their dangerously low numbers in the wild; "save the whales" is a rallying cry more people support than oppose.oppose and thus people are more likely now to cheer on Moby defending himself. Yet at the time the story was written, whale populations were much larger, and nothing was known of whalesong or other such indicators of cetacean intelligence.
3rd Feb '14 1:54:59 AM SeptimusHeap
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* AcceptableTargets: Established albinos as one of them. * AccidentalInnuendo: It was noted even at the time it was published that some of the symbolism and word choices were a bit suggestive, which Melville apparently didn't notice until later pointed out to him. * AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Captain Ahab -- revenge-obsessed madman or TragicHero or [[MathematiciansAnswer Both.]]

** CreepyAwesome * FairForItsDay: To modern readers, the three harpooneers can come across as caricatures of Africans (Daggoo), Native Americans (Tashtego) and Polynesians (Queequeg), respectively. However, Melville makes them all sympathetic characters and Ishmael frequently talks about how they're NotSoDifferent from white men.
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* FairForItsDay: ** CreepyAwesome * FairForItsDay: To modern readers, the three harpooneers can come across as caricatures of Africans (Daggoo), Native Americans (Tashtego) and Polynesians (Queequeg), respectively. However, Melville makes them all sympathetic characters and Ishmael frequently talks about how they're NotSoDifferent from white men.

** CreepyAwesome * FairForItsDay: To modern readers, ItWasHisSled: The ending. * MainstreamObscurity: Moby was a whale hunter. Everyone knows that. Not so many people have read the three harpooneers can come across as caricatures of Africans (Daggoo), Native Americans (Tashtego) and Polynesians (Queequeg), respectively. However, Melville makes them all sympathetic characters and Ishmael frequently talks about how they're NotSoDifferent from white men.books.

* WeirdAlEffect: More people have heard of Captain Ahab than have heard of the Biblical King Ahab from which he got his name.
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* WeirdAlEffect: ValuesDissonance: ** Whether or not you approve of whaling, it is more controversial today than it was when ''Moby Dick'' was published, what with environmentalism and concern for endangered species. ** The story does explicitly discuss whether Man could hunt whales to extinction. Already their numbers are diminishing, but the author's opinion is that they'll avoid Man by swimming North to the icy oceans, and so will always be able to evade extermination. It's an opinion based on flawed biology; given better science it could have gone the other way. Even so, Melville gives consideration to it. * {{Vindicated by History}}: ** This work in particular took several decades to attain the critical status it enjoys today. ** In the ''Reader's Digest: World's Best Reading'' edition, Thomas Fleming states in the Afterword that critics scoffed at the idea of someone going as far as Ahab did, and everyone around simply obeying...until they lived through WorldWarI. * WeirdAlEffect: ** More people have heard of Captain Ahab than have heard of the Biblical King Ahab from which he got his name.
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