History YMMV / MobileSuitGundamZZ

31st Mar '16 5:47:59 PM WolfThunder
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* ToughActToFollow: The show is a direct follow-up to ''Zeta''. On the other hand, it's a direct follow-up to ''Zeta.'' Needless to say, fan reactions tend to be divisive. See ContestedSequel above.

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* ToughActToFollow: The show is a direct follow-up to ''Zeta''. On the other hand, it's a direct follow-up to ''Zeta.'' Needless to say, fan reactions tend to be divisive. See ContestedSequel above.
23rd Mar '16 1:57:02 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: hile LighterAndSofter than earlier works, ''ZZ'' still had Axis-Zeon AcePilot [[ColonelKilgore Rakan Dahkaran]], an {{expy}} of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta's]]'' Yazan Gable, who was, like his inspiration, a [[TheBrute brutal]], [[ImplacableMan nigh-unkillable]] BloodKnight with a [[IFightForTheStrongestSide tenuous grasp of personal loyalty]]. Cold-blooded and willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, Rakan has no qualms about harming civilians. This is best demonstrated in Episode 35, where he [[TheStoic impassively]] [[KickTheDog guns down hospital ships and evacuation craft]] fleeing the Dublin ColonyDrop, and destroys roads and bridges in order to make sure that nobody escapes the blast radius. He kills longtime ''Gundam'' veteran Hayato Kobayashi when the latter tries to stop him, and following his defection from Haman's forces willingly kills many of his old comrades, including [[AntiVillain Mashmyre Cello]] and Royal Guardsman Lance, before being stopped by Judau. Axis's go-to guy for the dirtiest of jobs, Rakan proves that in the end, his only loyalty is to himself.

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* CompleteMonster: hile While LighterAndSofter than earlier works, ''ZZ'' still had Axis-Zeon AcePilot [[ColonelKilgore Rakan Dahkaran]], an {{expy}} of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta's]]'' Yazan Gable, who was, like his inspiration, a [[TheBrute brutal]], [[ImplacableMan nigh-unkillable]] BloodKnight with a [[IFightForTheStrongestSide tenuous grasp of personal loyalty]]. Cold-blooded and willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, Rakan has no qualms about harming civilians. This is best demonstrated in Episode 35, where he [[TheStoic impassively]] [[KickTheDog guns down hospital ships and evacuation craft]] fleeing the Dublin ColonyDrop, and destroys roads and bridges in order to make sure that nobody escapes the blast radius. He kills longtime ''Gundam'' veteran Hayato Kobayashi when the latter tries to stop him, and following his defection from Haman's forces willingly kills many of his old comrades, including [[AntiVillain Mashmyre Cello]] and Royal Guardsman Lance, before being stopped by Judau. Axis's go-to guy for the dirtiest of jobs, Rakan proves that in the end, his only loyalty is to himself.
23rd Mar '16 1:56:54 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: While LighterAndSofter than ''MSG'' or ''Zeta'', it still had its share of terrible people:
** Axis-Zeon AcePilot [[ColonelKilgore Rakan Dahkaran]], an {{expy}} of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta's]]'' Yazan Gable, is, like his inspiration, a [[TheBrute brutal]], [[ImplacableMan nigh-unkillable]] BloodKnight with a [[IFightForTheStrongestSide tenuous grasp of personal loyalty]], albeit with some actual command talent thrown in. Cold-blooded and willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, Rakan has no qualms about harming civilians. This is best demonstrated in Episode 35, where he [[TheStoic impassively]] [[KickTheDog guns down hospital ships and evacuation craft]] fleeing the Dublin ColonyDrop, and destroys roads and bridges in order to make sure that nobody escapes the blast radius. He kills longtime ''Gundam'' veteran Hayato Kobayashi when the latter tries to stop him, and following his defection from Haman's forces willingly kills many of his old comrades, including AntiVillain Mashmyre Cello and Royal Guardsman, Lance, before being stopped by Judau. Axis's go-to guy for the dirtiest of jobs, Rakan proves that in the end, his only loyalty is to himself.
** While the anime version of [[TeensAreMonsters Glemmy Toto]] had enough redeeming traits to keep him off this list, the same cannot be said for his manga counterpart, a vicious SmugSnake and [[TheStarscream Starscream]] who is bad news from his first appearance to his last. Coldly manipulating Puru, an unstable {{child soldier}} into doing his killing for him, Glemmy keeps a small army of brainwashed clones of her as backup for when she inevitably dies on him. He burns down a village to draw out [[TheProtagonist Judau Ashta]], has a defecting Puru [[WouldHurtAChild killed]] by her EvilTwin Puru-2, and eventually [[TheStarscream betrays]] [[BigBad Haman Khan]], triggering a devastating EnemyCivilWar in the process, as he aims to make himself the dictatorial ruler of both Earth and the colonies, unleashing his entire clone army in the process. Idolising the franchise’s original CM, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Gihren Zabi]], Glemmy promises to be every bit as brutal a tyrant as he was, and betrays no concern at all for the dozens of little girls who are dying to make his dream a reality.

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* CompleteMonster: While hile LighterAndSofter than ''MSG'' or ''Zeta'', it earlier works, ''ZZ'' still had its share of terrible people:
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Axis-Zeon AcePilot [[ColonelKilgore Rakan Dahkaran]], an {{expy}} of ''[[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Zeta's]]'' Yazan Gable, is, who was, like his inspiration, a [[TheBrute brutal]], [[ImplacableMan nigh-unkillable]] BloodKnight with a [[IFightForTheStrongestSide tenuous grasp of personal loyalty]], albeit with some actual command talent thrown in.loyalty]]. Cold-blooded and willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, Rakan has no qualms about harming civilians. This is best demonstrated in Episode 35, where he [[TheStoic impassively]] [[KickTheDog guns down hospital ships and evacuation craft]] fleeing the Dublin ColonyDrop, and destroys roads and bridges in order to make sure that nobody escapes the blast radius. He kills longtime ''Gundam'' veteran Hayato Kobayashi when the latter tries to stop him, and following his defection from Haman's forces willingly kills many of his old comrades, including AntiVillain [[AntiVillain Mashmyre Cello Cello]] and Royal Guardsman, Guardsman Lance, before being stopped by Judau. Axis's go-to guy for the dirtiest of jobs, Rakan proves that in the end, his only loyalty is to himself.
** While the anime version of [[TeensAreMonsters Glemmy Toto]] had enough redeeming traits to keep him off this list, the same cannot be said for his manga counterpart, a vicious SmugSnake and [[TheStarscream Starscream]] who is bad news from his first appearance to his last. Coldly manipulating Puru, an unstable {{child soldier}} into doing his killing for him, Glemmy keeps a small army of brainwashed clones of her as backup for when she inevitably dies on him. He burns down a village to draw out [[TheProtagonist Judau Ashta]], has a defecting Puru [[WouldHurtAChild killed]] by her EvilTwin Puru-2, and eventually [[TheStarscream betrays]] [[BigBad Haman Khan]], triggering a devastating EnemyCivilWar in the process, as he aims to make himself the dictatorial ruler of both Earth and the colonies, unleashing his entire clone army in the process. Idolising the franchise’s original CM, [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam Gihren Zabi]], Glemmy promises to be every bit as brutal a tyrant as he was, and betrays no concern at all for the dozens of little girls who are dying to make his dream a reality.
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11th Dec '15 7:19:29 PM 43110
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* MagnificentBastard: There is Glemmy Toto, who along with having [[HiddenAgendaVillain his own agenda]] and managing to keep it under wraps until the big reveal, flies up the ranks quickly in order to get close enough to Haman. And managed to [[TheCharmer charm her for a while]] too. Only to use his new status and popularity [[TheStarscream to form his own faction]], [[ManipulativeBastard giving a riling speech to the people of Zeon to motivate them to fight for his side]]. He [[NobleDemon also believed in handling things in a sophisticated manner]]. His ultimate goal is [[WellIntentionedExtremist to see Zeon united under the Zabi rule]], believing their method to be the most successful. He tried to accomplish this not only by winning the crowd over, but also [[MadScientist creating clones]] to [[TykeBomb use as military weapons]], being one of the first [[BigBad big bads]] to use clones in the ''Universal Century''. And although he was ultimately defeated by Judau and Roux, his actions did make an impact on Zeon while he was alive. And he managed to accomplish all of this ''[[TeenGenius at the mere age of seventeen]]''.

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* MagnificentBastard: There is MagnificentBastard:
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Glemmy Toto, who along with having [[HiddenAgendaVillain his own agenda]] and managing to keep it under wraps until the big reveal, flies up the ranks quickly in order to get close enough to Haman. And managed to [[TheCharmer charm her for a while]] too. Only to use his new status and popularity [[TheStarscream to form his own faction]], [[ManipulativeBastard giving a riling speech to the people of Zeon to motivate them to fight for his side]]. He [[NobleDemon also believed in handling things in a sophisticated manner]]. His ultimate goal is [[WellIntentionedExtremist to see Zeon united under the Zabi rule]], believing their method to be the most successful. He tried to accomplish this not only by winning the crowd over, but also [[MadScientist creating clones]] to [[TykeBomb use as military weapons]], being one of the first [[BigBad big bads]] to use clones in the ''Universal Century''. And although he was ultimately defeated by Judau and Roux, his actions did make an impact on Zeon while he was alive. And he managed to accomplish all of this ''[[TeenGenius at the mere age of seventeen]]''.
21st Aug '15 6:16:19 PM nombretomado
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* {{Asspull}}: Sayla's involvement in the series often gets this response due to lack of foreshadowing or explanation to her actions. It is heavily suggested that her appearance was meant to foreshadow a role in ''CharsCounterattack'', but as her VA was unavailable for the film, this didn't materialize.

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* {{Asspull}}: Sayla's involvement in the series often gets this response due to lack of foreshadowing or explanation to her actions. It is heavily suggested that her appearance was meant to foreshadow a role in ''CharsCounterattack'', ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamCharsCounterattack'', but as her VA was unavailable for the film, this didn't materialize.
1st Aug '15 4:44:11 PM nombretomado
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** Also, what happens when [[spoiler: Haman shoots Leina]]. Judau, normally a HotBlooded kid, completely '''snaps''' in the mom and grandmom of all [[TranquilFury tranquil furies]], with anger and power strong enough to ''cause Haman to FreakOut and literally cry in fear'' and be felt by Newtypes who were ''far'' away from the place. (The visualization was a demonic phantom emerging out of him. [[MobileSuitGundam The last time this happened]], it was [[AFatherToHisMen Dozle Zabi]] [[YouShallNotPass doing it]].) '''That is how massively pissed off he was''', and it's scary to see. This scene is probably why some consider Judeau to be the Newtype with the strongest raw power.

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** Also, what happens when [[spoiler: Haman shoots Leina]]. Judau, normally a HotBlooded kid, completely '''snaps''' in the mom and grandmom of all [[TranquilFury tranquil furies]], with anger and power strong enough to ''cause Haman to FreakOut and literally cry in fear'' and be felt by Newtypes who were ''far'' away from the place. (The visualization was a demonic phantom emerging out of him. [[MobileSuitGundam [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam The last time this happened]], it was [[AFatherToHisMen Dozle Zabi]] [[YouShallNotPass doing it]].) '''That is how massively pissed off he was''', and it's scary to see. This scene is probably why some consider Judeau to be the Newtype with the strongest raw power.



* TakeThatScrappy: Judau's first meeting with the much-despised [[ZetaGundam Wong Lee]] ends with the former kneeing the latter in the gut.

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* TakeThatScrappy: Judau's first meeting with the much-despised [[ZetaGundam [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam Wong Lee]] ends with the former kneeing the latter in the gut.
29th Jul '15 6:12:57 PM LinTaylor
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* TheScrappy: Emary Ounce gets a fair bit of hate because her character does nothing except obsessively pursue Bright despite knowing that he's HappilyMarried to Mirai (when her subordinate Milly points this out, Emary simply glares daggers at her). This obsessive crush even results in her eventual death, but most fans felt much sorrier for the Anaheim employees who had to put up with her crap and almost got killed alongside her.
29th Jul '15 6:06:49 PM LinTaylor
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* CanonDiscontinuity[=/=]FanonDiscontinuity: Fairly confused on a few levels. For almost as long as the show has existed, a subset of the UC Gundam fandom has vociferously considered it straight-up non-canon due largely to the stark tonal differences between it and the rest of UC Gundam. (Others, meanwhile, say they'll take ''ZZ'' over what ''New Translation'' did to ''Zeta'' any day.) And so on that note, it remained limited to fan debate until the ''Anime/ZetaGundam: A New Translation'' compilation movies came about in 2005-6... and the end of the movie series fairly clearly retcons ''ZZ'' out of existence. Okay... but '''''then''''' ''Anime/GundamUnicorn'' comes along a few years later, and ''that'' features at least one character whose backstory makes no sense if ''ZZ'' doesn't happen, and one who ''literally can't exist'' without it. In short, who the heck even knows at this point - it goes far beyond even the usual looseness of Sunrise's canon policy. The closest anyone can get is that something ''like'' the events happened, but not necessarily in the way we saw in the show. And this, of course, leaves both sides of the old fan debate rather dissatisfied.
** The best anyone seems to hope for at this point is for ''ZZ'' to get its turn at some compilation movies, which would hopefully even out its odd tone and pacing issues one way or the other.


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** Years before, Yoshiyuki Tomino confirmed in interviews with Animedia and B-Club magazines that Glemy was Gihren's son with an unnamed Newtype woman. He also confirmed that Ple and Ple-Two were "artificial[=/=]unnatural twins" whose parents were Gihren and a different Newtype woman, meaning they're half-siblings, which adds a new layer of {{Squick}} to those scenes where Ple-Two acts romantic towards Glemy.
* FanonDiscontinuity: Fans who were less than happy with ''ZZ'' eagerly latched onto the CompilationMovie version of ''Zeta Gundam'', whose ending was incompatible with ''ZZ'', as proof that it had been kicked out of canon. [[WordOfGod Tomino himself said]] this wasn't the case, and the ''Zeta'' movies were merely another take on the events. This was supported by ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamUnicorn Gundam Unicorn]]'', which features not only several ''ZZ'' mobile suits, but a character closely tied to that series as well.
14th Jun '15 7:50:12 AM Ramidel
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* CombinedEnergyAttack: [[spoiler: During the final battle, Kamille Bidan gathers the spirits of the dead to reassemble Judau's ZZ Gundam, then empower his High Mega Cannon for a massive attack against Haman Khan. It still isn't enough to defeat her.]]
7th Jun '15 8:15:13 AM StFan
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* VindicatedByHistory: Gundam ZZ has started to get some love, namely in GundamBuildFightersTry, [[spoiler:a Puru clone]] in Unicorn, an entire Gundam Evolve short about what Judau's up to sometime after ZZ, and Judau shows up as a CoolOldGuy in various spinoff mangas.

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* VindicatedByHistory: Gundam ZZ has started to get some love, namely in GundamBuildFightersTry, ''Anime/GundamBuildFightersTry'', [[spoiler:a Puru clone]] in Unicorn, an entire Gundam Evolve short about what Judau's up to sometime after ZZ, and Judau shows up as a CoolOldGuy in various spinoff mangas.
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