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14th Jan '16 12:03:09 PM spoonofevil
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** And on the other side, there are fans who fully support the Federation and more specifically Flit in their desire to completely exterminate the Vagans, since most of the show gave little reason to actually sympathize them. Out of the ''entire'' Vagan cast, only about two or three of them could be considered truly sympathetic. The rest are just [[{{Jerkass}} jerks]].
9th Jan '16 5:10:19 PM mlsmithca
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TRS voted to axe Parvum Opus.
* ParvumOpus: There are all sorts of criticisms the viewer-base is fractured on, and this has generally led to AGE being the least-liked ''Gundam'' show ''ever made'' (and also the show to pull in the lowest ratings -- scoring under even ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'').
8th Jan '16 11:24:45 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* PuritySue: Yurin. Being an expy of Lalah Sune didn't help, but giving her much character obviously wasn't intended. * RelationshipSue: Yurin is not this in canon, but rabid Flit/Yurin shippers seem to see her as few more than Flit's One True Love and the Incarnation Of All Purity In The World. Can become insanely creepy when you extrapolate it with the last snippet in the MemeticMutation part, which showcases [[spoiler: bitter Flit/Yurin shippers lashing out at Emily for being Flit's mother partner after Yurin's death; this means they're likely implying that Flit secretly hates Emily and ''wishes she had died instead of Yurin'']]. [[http://frozenviolets.tumblr.com/post/18376072563/zetsubouwill-this-why-cant-i-like-both-yurin Way to flatten and twist Yurin's character]], people.
11th Oct '15 5:22:29 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* NarmCharm: Woolf encouraging Asemu to become a SUPER PILOT. Its simultaneously silly, endearing, and totally awesome.
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* NarmCharm: NarmCharm: ** Woolf encouraging Asemu to become a SUPER PILOT. Its simultaneously silly, endearing, and totally awesome.

* NeverLiveItDown: The fandom basically found the Vagan pilot Daz Roden impossible to take seriously after his first combat outing, in which he piloted a top-of-the-line suit against three old men, a sprinkler system, and a hand-held rocket launcher...[[EpicFail and lost.]]
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* NeverLiveItDown: NeverLiveItDown: ** The fandom basically found the Vagan pilot Daz Roden impossible to take seriously after his first combat outing, in which he piloted a top-of-the-line suit against three old men, a sprinkler system, and a hand-held rocket launcher...[[EpicFail and lost.]]

** [[spoiler: The sheer thought of what Flit had when learning 'Second Moon', Vagan's main base was now in Earth Orbit. "Now we can wipe them all out."]]
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** [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The sheer thought of what Flit had when learning 'Second Moon', Vagan's main base was now in Earth Orbit. "Now we can wipe them all out."]]

*** And then later on, in Episode 38, [[spoiler:Kio stupidly gives away his biometric data, allowing the Vagan to crack the encryption preventing the Gundam's systems from being copied, all for some medicine to prolong the life of a terminally ill girl by a few days. This decision ends up biting Kio in ass two episodes later when he has to fight the Vagan-engineered Gundam.]] *** More from this kid in Episodes 41-43 when he refuses to use any tactic but [[spoiler:asking Fram and then Girard to listen and understand when they tell him explicitly and repeatedly that they aren't willing to do so. He ''could'' probably use his C-Funnels to dismember their suits and nonlethally remove them from combat, but all he does is keep begging while they continue to wail on him and nearly beat him]].
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*** ** And then later on, in Episode 38, [[spoiler:Kio stupidly gives away his biometric data, allowing the Vagan to crack the encryption preventing the Gundam's systems from being copied, all for some medicine to prolong the life of a terminally ill girl by a few days. This decision ends up biting Kio in ass two episodes later when he has to fight the Vagan-engineered Gundam.]] *** ** More from this kid in Episodes 41-43 when he refuses to use any tactic but [[spoiler:asking Fram and then Girard to listen and understand when they tell him explicitly and repeatedly that they aren't willing to do so. He ''could'' probably use his C-Funnels to dismember their suits and nonlethally remove them from combat, but all he does is keep begging while they continue to wail on him and nearly beat him]].

** Zeheart's been hit with this pretty badly in the late stages of the series. [[spoiler:Despite looking like he's going to be the voice of reason against Ezelcant's ludicrous plans for humanity, he gets his character reset to being a fanatical worshipper of the man after simply being told that Ezelcant doesn't want to be God, but rather a guiding light for the new humanity... Despite this merely being the equivalent of saying "Yes you're right that I'm completely off my rocker, but I don't think I'm God, so it's okay."]] *** Expanded upon in ''Memory of Eden''. [[spoiler:Zeheart was so wracked with SurvivorGuilt over the subordinates who died under him that he would continue pursuing the vision of Eden no matter what, all so that his subordinates' deaths wouldn't have been in vain.]] ** [[spoiler:And then after he's made supreme commander of the Vagan forces in Ezelcant's stead, along comes Episode 47, in which [[FatBastard Zanald]] opens fire on Zeheart and his men and makes clear that he has no intentions of following Zeheart's orders. You'd expect him to either have this traitor apprehended or simply shot on the spot, right? Wrong. He promptly proceeds to allow Zanald to do as he pleases, which quickly results in Deen's death at Zanald's hands. Nice going.]] *** However, in that case [[spoiler:Zeheart knew that [[TheUriahGambit with Zanald taking the center, his force was in position to take the most damage from the Federation assault]], and sure enough, his entire fleet is wiped out by the ''Diva's'' photon blaster. This was the exact same tactic Zeheart used to get rid of Desil.]]
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** Zeheart's been hit with this pretty badly in the late stages of the series. [[spoiler:Despite looking like he's going to be the voice of reason against Ezelcant's ludicrous plans for humanity, he gets his character reset to being a fanatical worshipper of the man after simply being told that Ezelcant doesn't want to be God, but rather a guiding light for the new humanity... Despite this merely being the equivalent of saying "Yes you're right that I'm completely off my rocker, but I don't think I'm God, so it's okay."]] *** "]] Expanded upon in ''Memory of Eden''. [[spoiler:Zeheart was so wracked with SurvivorGuilt over the subordinates who died under him that he would continue pursuing the vision of Eden no matter what, all so that his subordinates' deaths wouldn't have been in vain.]] ** [[spoiler:And then after he's made supreme commander of the Vagan forces in Ezelcant's stead, along comes Episode 47, in which [[FatBastard Zanald]] opens fire on Zeheart and his men and makes clear that he has no intentions of following Zeheart's orders. You'd expect him to either have this traitor apprehended or simply shot on the spot, right? Wrong. He promptly proceeds to allow Zanald to do as he pleases, which quickly results in Deen's death at Zanald's hands. Nice going.]] *** ]] However, in that case [[spoiler:Zeheart knew that [[TheUriahGambit with Zanald taking the center, his force was in position to take the most damage from the Federation assault]], and sure enough, his entire fleet is wiped out by the ''Diva's'' photon blaster. This was the exact same tactic Zeheart used to get rid of Desil.]]

* [WTHCostumingDepartment: Froi Olfenoa's hair antennae don't ''exactly'' convey the gravitas one would expect from the leader of a nation. Neither does [[BigBad Lord Ezelcant's]] hair...corkscrewy thing. Asemu's hair looks like a hedgehog combined with a mullet, one of the Magicians Eight has his bangs combed over ''both'' eyes...the list goes on.
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* [WTHCostumingDepartment: WTHCostumingDepartment: Froi Olfenoa's hair antennae don't ''exactly'' convey the gravitas one would expect from the leader of a nation. Neither does [[BigBad Lord Ezelcant's]] hair...corkscrewy thing. Asemu's hair looks like a hedgehog combined with a mullet, one of the Magicians Eight has his bangs combed over ''both'' eyes...the list goes on.
11th Oct '15 5:19:02 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* {{Anvilicious}}: [[spoiler:Grodek's murder]] at the end of Episode 24. By [[spoiler:Arabel]] who had five minutes of screen time in Generation 1 [[spoiler:where Grodek tells him that he will live for revenge]], and the five minutes in 24, [[spoiler:where he gets Grodek in the kidneys]]. No explanation of what else he's been doing in the intervening years or how he even ''met'' [[spoiler:anyone in the Federation's StateSec]]. That's not important. What is important is that it was ''revenge'' and that is bad and destructive revenge will destroy you.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: {{Anvilicious}}: ** [[spoiler:Grodek's murder]] at the end of Episode 24. By [[spoiler:Arabel]] who had five minutes of screen time in Generation 1 [[spoiler:where Grodek tells him that he will live for revenge]], and the five minutes in 24, [[spoiler:where he gets Grodek in the kidneys]]. No explanation of what else he's been doing in the intervening years or how he even ''met'' [[spoiler:anyone in the Federation's StateSec]]. That's not important. What is important is that it was ''revenge'' and that is bad and destructive revenge will destroy you.

* AuthorsSavingThrow: Romary's [[spoiler: GoThroughMe]] incident earned her a lot of scorn, comparing her to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Nina Purpleton]]. In Episode 28, she admits her mistakes and naivety to Asemu and earns his forgiveness. Time will tell if [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap she'll earn the audience's as well.]]
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow: ** Romary's [[spoiler: GoThroughMe]] incident earned her a lot of scorn, comparing her to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Nina Purpleton]]. In Episode 28, she admits her mistakes and naivety to Asemu and earns his forgiveness. Time will tell if [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap she'll earn the audience's as well.]]

* AuthorsSavingThrow: Romary's [[spoiler: GoThroughMe]] incident earned her a lot of scorn, comparing her to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundam0083StardustMemory Nina Purpleton]]. In Episode 28, she admits her mistakes and naivety to Asemu and earns his forgiveness. Time will tell if [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap she'll earn the audience's as well.]]%%* EsotericHappyEnding

* FanPreferredCouple: It would be an understatement to say that a lot of fans would have preferred to see Flit pair up with Yurin rather than Emily.
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* FanPreferredCouple: FanPreferredCouple: ** It would be an understatement to say that a lot of fans would have preferred to see Flit pair up with Yurin rather than Emily.

* MoralEventHorizon: What Desil says [[spoiler: after killing Yurin]] puts his status as a irredeemable monster beyond all doubt. -->'''Flit:''' "Desil... Why did you... Why did Yurin have to die?" -->'''Desil:''' "There was no reason! It just means I've lost one of my playthings!"
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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon: ** What Desil says [[spoiler: after killing Yurin]] puts his status as a irredeemable monster beyond all doubt. -->'''Flit:''' --->'''Flit:''' "Desil... Why did you... Why did Yurin have to die?" -->'''Desil:''' --->'''Desil:''' "There was no reason! It just means I've lost one of my playthings!"

** In Episode 47, [[spoiler:Zanald kills Deen, who was on his own side, in the hopes of forcing the Gundam to "move a little faster." Even Kio seems to view it as one of these moments]].
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** In Episode 47, [[spoiler:Zanald kills Deen, who was on his own side, in the hopes of forcing the Gundam to "move a little faster." Even Kio seems to view it as one of these moments]].moments.]]

* StrangledByTheRedString: [[spoiler:Asemu and Romary. After joining the military, they very rarely interact on-screen and neither of them seem to get past the point of "I like you but [[CannotSpitItOut what are words]]" for the whole series, plus Romary has feelings for both him and Zeheart. To resolve this, there is a flashback to one conversation between them in Episode 28 and then the generation ends with the wedding]]. ** To be fair, there is a drama CD coming out that will give some insight on how Romary got together with Asemu. ** You can apply this to Emily with Flit and Wendy with Kio pretty well, too.
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* StrangledByTheRedString: [[spoiler:Asemu Asemu and Romary. After joining the military, they very rarely interact on-screen and neither of them seem to get past the point of "I like you but [[CannotSpitItOut what are words]]" for the whole series, plus Romary has feelings for both him and Zeheart. To resolve this, there is a flashback to one conversation between them in Episode 28 and then the generation ends with the wedding]]. wedding. You can apply this to Emily with Flit and Wendy with Kio pretty well, too. ** To be fair, there There is a drama CD coming out that will give some insight on how Romary got together with Asemu. ** You can apply this to Emily with Flit and Wendy with Kio pretty well, too.Asemu.

* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Or in this case, an MS. The Orbital, what looked like the most impressive of the AGE-3's forms, is involved in only two battles... both of which it lost, horribly.
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: ** Or in this case, an MS. The Orbital, what looked like the most impressive of the AGE-3's forms, is involved in only two battles... both of which it lost, horribly.
11th Oct '15 5:12:51 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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He's a Nominal Hero / Villain Protagonist over this and sees his error, sounds intentional. Indentation one trope per line, examples lack adequate context.
*** His ''Memory of Eden'' version leaves even more debate, as it shows [[spoiler: that the spirits of everyone who has died under his command constantly talking to him, driving him insane]]. **** [[spoiler:Especially since his last words are different from the TV Show]] ** Flit, even more so in Third Generation. See BaseBreaker below.
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*** ** His ''Memory of Eden'' version leaves even more debate, as it shows [[spoiler: that the spirits of everyone who has died under his command constantly talking to him, driving him insane]]. **** [[spoiler:Especially insane Especially since his last words are different from the TV Show]] ** %%** Flit, even more so in Third Generation. See BaseBreaker below.

** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Asemu avenges [[spoiler:Woolf's death by showing no mercy to Desil and finally embracing his mentor's advice on becoming a Super Pilot instead of living up to his father.]] The reactions from the foreign fan base were obvious. * AnticlimaxBoss: For all the Defurse looked intimidatingly like a Big Zam {{Expy}}, Flit destroyed it rather easily.
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* AnticlimaxBoss: ** RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Asemu avenges [[spoiler:Woolf's death by showing no mercy to Desil and finally embracing his mentor's advice on becoming a Super Pilot instead of living up to his father.]] The reactions from the foreign fan base were obvious. * AnticlimaxBoss: For all the Defurse looked intimidatingly like a Big Zam {{Expy}}, Flit destroyed it rather easily.

* EnsembleDarkhorse: Yurin, Yurin, Yurin. She topped the official series character poll by a huge margin (in the Female Characters category, she got 60.5% of the votes), and at that time she only appeared in ''a single episode''.
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: EnsembleDarkhorse: ** Yurin, Yurin, Yurin. She topped the official series character poll by a huge margin (in the Female Characters category, she got 60.5% of the votes), and at that time she only appeared in ''a single episode''.

* EvenBetterSequel[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: Despite the show's LoveItOrHateIt status, it is generally agreed upon that its second season is its highest and strongest point.
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* EvenBetterSequel[=/=]SurprisinglyImprovedSequel: EvenBetterSequel: Despite the show's LoveItOrHateIt status, it is generally agreed upon that its second season is its highest and strongest point.

* FoeYay <--> HoYay: Zeheart and Asemu, full stop.
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* FoeYay <--> HoYay: FoeYay: [[HoYay Zeheart and Asemu, full stop.]]

*** Played up even more in the same scene in ''Memory of Eden'', where [[spoiler:Asemu gets in the Gundam Legilis, clearly about to EXPLODE, and touches his helmet to Zeheart's. And the fact that Zeheart pushes Asemu back into the cockpit.]]
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*** ** Played up even more in the same scene in ''Memory of Eden'', where [[spoiler:Asemu gets in the Gundam Legilis, clearly about to EXPLODE, and touches his helmet to Zeheart's. And the fact that Zeheart pushes Asemu back into the cockpit.]]

* JerkassWoobie and/or StoicWoobie: Episode 37 reveals that [[spoiler:most Vagans become these as they get older, as an inevitable consequence of losing the people they love to the Mars Ray illness.]] * LoveItOrHateIt: ''The whole damn show''. We mean, shit, just scroll up or down the page a bit. There are all sorts of criticisms the viewer-base is fractured on, and this has generally led to AGE being the least-liked ''Gundam'' show ''ever made'' (and also the show to pull in the lowest ratings -- scoring under even ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'').
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* JerkassWoobie and/or StoicWoobie: JerkassWoobie: Episode 37 reveals that [[spoiler:most Vagans become these as they get older, as an inevitable consequence of losing the people they love to the Mars Ray illness.]] * illness]]. %%* LoveItOrHateIt: ''The whole damn show''. We mean, shit, just scroll up or down the page a bit. There are all sorts of criticisms the viewer-base is fractured on, and this has generally led to AGE being the least-liked ''Gundam'' show ''ever made'' (and also the show to pull in the lowest ratings -- scoring under even ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'').show''.

* MagnificentBastard ** [[spoiler: Flit, as of Episode 28, to those who don't see his coup as a crossing of the MoralEventHorizon.]] ** Surprisingly in ''Memories of Eden'', [[spoiler:Desil Galette]]. He marks all the times Zeheart could have easily destroyed the Gundam when he himself couldn't. * MemeticBadass: Desperado. Who used a shovel and a Pickaxe as a weapon. It gets lots of fanart. ** Not just any old shovel. A ''heat shovel''.
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* %%* MagnificentBastard ** [[spoiler: Flit, %%** [[spoiler:Flit, as of Episode 28, to those who don't see his coup as a crossing of the MoralEventHorizon.]] ** %%** Surprisingly in ''Memories of Eden'', [[spoiler:Desil Galette]]. He marks all the times Zeheart could have easily destroyed the Gundam when he himself couldn't. * MemeticBadass: Desperado. Who used a shovel and a Pickaxe as a weapon. It gets lots of fanart. ** fan art. Not just any old shovel. A ''heat shovel''.

* MisaimedFandom: Flit's desire to exterminate the Vagans is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered him a number of fans who actually cheer for him to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable the Vagan were in the first two generations]]. ** It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the Vagans do have a good reason to be mad at the Feddies, there are ''very'' few of them who are likable in any way.
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* MisaimedFandom: Flit's desire to exterminate the Vagans is meant to illustrate how terrible the cycle of hate can be. It's also garnered him a number of fans who actually cheer for him to succeed, given how [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic irredeemable the Vagan were in the first two generations]]. ** generations]]. It doesn't help that despite TheReveal that the Vagans do have a good reason to be mad at the Feddies, there are ''very'' few of them who are likable in any way.

* MoralEventHorizon: What Desil says [[spoiler: after killing Yurin]] puts his status as a CompleteMonster beyond all doubt.
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* MoralEventHorizon: What Desil says [[spoiler: after killing Yurin]] puts his status as a CompleteMonster irredeemable monster beyond all doubt.

* {{Narm}}: The Strider Mode of the AGE-2. It's hardly the first time a Gundam has been able to transform into a fighter; that's fine. But the Gundam's head stuck on top makes it look completely absurd.
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* {{Narm}}: The {{Narm}}: **The Strider Mode of the AGE-2. It's hardly the first time a Gundam has been able to transform into a fighter; that's fine. But the Gundam's head stuck on top makes it look completely absurd.

*** Episode 41 introduces an upgraded form of it: this one, thankfully, is white, but it retains the flower bits, and its weapon is a staff that looks just a little too much like a MagicalGirl's wand.
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*** ** Episode 41 introduces an upgraded form of it: this one, thankfully, is white, but it retains the flower bits, and its weapon is a staff that looks just a little too much like a MagicalGirl's wand.

*** [[spoiler: Its obvious the [[WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill pain medication]] didn't wear off in time for that.]]

*** Imagine being chained to the cockpit of a UE mobile suit as an AxCrazy BloodKnight controls the functions of that mobile suit. Then, when you see your loved one fighting on the opposite side, the system controlled by the BloodKnight orders the mobile suit to open fire on your loved one. And all you could do is just watch in horror. [[spoiler: That's exactly what happens to Yurin when Desil forced her to pilot the Farsha mobile suit in Episode 14.]]
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*** ** Imagine being chained to the cockpit of a UE mobile suit as an AxCrazy BloodKnight controls the functions of that mobile suit. Then, when you see your loved one fighting on the opposite side, the system controlled by the BloodKnight orders the mobile suit to open fire on your loved one. And all you could do is just watch in horror. [[spoiler: That's exactly what happens to Yurin when Desil forced her to pilot the Farsha mobile suit in Episode 14.]]

*** Strangely enough, he's even gets scarier in ''Memory of Eden'' for being RIGHT. Verbally. He may be [[TheLoad the load]] in Generation 2, but in ''Memory of Eden'', he makes so many valid points in calling out on Zeheart's behavior that you can't imagine him being the same [[ButtMonkey butt monkey]] in Generation 2, but rather, he regains his old Generation 1 intelligence back again.
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*** ** Strangely enough, he's even gets scarier in ''Memory of Eden'' for being RIGHT. Verbally. He may be [[TheLoad the load]] in Generation 2, but in ''Memory of Eden'', he makes so many valid points in calling out on Zeheart's behavior that you can't imagine him being the same [[ButtMonkey butt monkey]] in Generation 2, but rather, he regains his old Generation 1 intelligence back again.

*** Strangely enough, he's even gets scarier in ''Memory * ParvumOpus: There are all sorts of Eden'' for being RIGHT. Verbally. He may be [[TheLoad criticisms the load]] in Generation 2, but in ''Memory of Eden'', he makes so many valid points in calling out on Zeheart's behavior that you can't imagine him viewer-base is fractured on, and this has generally led to AGE being the same [[ButtMonkey butt monkey]] least-liked ''Gundam'' show ''ever made'' (and also the show to pull in Generation 2, but rather, he regains his old Generation 1 intelligence back again.the lowest ratings -- scoring under even ''Anime/AfterWarGundamX'').

*** Strangely enough, he's * RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Asemu avenges [[spoiler:Woolf's death by showing no mercy to Desil and finally embracing his mentor's advice on becoming a Super Pilot instead of living up to his father]]. He then becomes [[TheAce best pilot in the series]], kicking the asses of even gets scarier in ''Memory of Eden'' for being RIGHT. Verbally. He may be [[TheLoad those with PsychicPowers [[BadassNormal through skill alone]]. The reactions from the load]] in Generation 2, but in ''Memory of Eden'', he makes so many valid points in calling out on Zeheart's behavior that you can't imagine him being the same [[ButtMonkey butt monkey]] in Generation 2, but rather, he regains his old Generation 1 intelligence back again.foreign fan base were obvious.

** Heck, some of the Federation supporters among the fans still think [[spoiler:Flit is taking things way too far.]] *** Its even now that way in canon: [[spoiler: Asemu joined Bisadan so there ''won't'' be the total destruction of both sides, keeping the balance between the two powers. Kio is now going out of his way to protect Vagan lives in battle, just destroying their suits and allowing them to eject.]] Flit ''hates'' both actions and is taking actions into his own hands using an illegal weapon.
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** Heck, some of the Federation supporters among the fans still think [[spoiler:Flit is taking things way too far.]] *** ]] Its even now that way in canon: [[spoiler: Asemu joined Bisadan so there ''won't'' be the total destruction of both sides, keeping the balance between the two powers. Kio is now going out of his way to protect Vagan lives in battle, just destroying their suits and allowing them to eject.]] Flit ''hates'' both actions and is taking actions into his own hands using an illegal weapon.

* TheScrappy: Emily was rapidly heading in this direction. ** It would help if 70% of her dialogue wasn't simply "[[SayMyName Flit]]!" *** And certainly it'd help that her "love rival" isn't...well, '''[[EnsembleDarkhorse Yurin]]''' of all people.
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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy: ** Emily was rapidly heading in this direction. ** direction. It would help if 70% of her dialogue wasn't simply "[[SayMyName Flit]]!" *** Flit]]!" And certainly it'd help that her "love rival" isn't...well, '''[[EnsembleDarkhorse Yurin]]''' of all people.

** Kio is probably the least-liked Asuno due to expressing his pacifistic desires in a way that many people find whiny, carrying the IdiotBall a few too many times--[[spoiler:really kid, what did you ''think'' Ezelcant was going to do with the AGE-3's specs]]--and his poor piloting skills, which [[InformedAbility everyone seems to mistake for good piloting skills]]. Not to mention that he tells Fram and Girard that they should stop fighting and understand each other way too often. *** In addition, even though he spouts his desire to save lives on both sides, there are UnfortunateImplications involved when he seems to care more about Vagan casualties than his own friends and wingmen getting killed. This was extremely blatant in Episodes 46 and 47 when [[spoiler:Kio lost two of his wingmen, including Seric, and he doesn't even seem to be visibly affected by it, yet when Deen dies, that's the one factor that pushes him into using Gundam FX's Burst Mode.]]
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** Kio is probably the least-liked Asuno due to expressing his pacifistic desires in a way that many people find whiny, carrying the IdiotBall a few too many times--[[spoiler:really kid, what did you ''think'' Ezelcant was going to do with the AGE-3's specs]]--and his poor piloting skills, which [[InformedAbility everyone seems to mistake for good piloting skills]]. Not to mention that he tells Fram and Girard that they should stop fighting and understand each other way too often. *** often. In addition, even though he spouts his desire to save lives on both sides, there are UnfortunateImplications involved when he seems to care more about Vagan casualties than his own friends and wingmen getting killed. This was extremely blatant in Episodes 46 and 47 when [[spoiler:Kio lost two of his wingmen, including Seric, and he doesn't even seem to be visibly affected by it, yet when Deen dies, that's the one factor that pushes him into using Gundam FX's Burst Mode.]]

*** Given the outcome of the first generation, the generational thing could have been a more interesting plot if they pitted [[FeudingFamilies the Asunos against the Galettes and Zois]].
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*** ** Given the outcome of the first generation, the generational thing could have been a more interesting plot if they pitted [[FeudingFamilies the Asunos against the Galettes and Zois]].

* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Woolf and Seric]]. * UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny: After his debut episode, Gundam AGE-1 Titus was placed in one against [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Gundam Maxter]].
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* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Woolf [[spoiler:Woolf and Seric]]. * UltimateShowdownOfUltimateDestiny: After his debut episode, Gundam AGE-1 Titus was placed in one against [[Anime/MobileFighterGGundam Gundam Maxter]].Seric]].

** Flit: We are supposed to feel sympathy for him because he has lost Yurin and many other people he held dear to the Vagans' madness... but when you start talking of [[FinalSolution murdering every single man, woman and child on the opposing side]] just because you're still pining for a girl who died 50 years ago and whose death has already been avenged, you lose all rights to sympathy. ** Lord Ezelcant: He's a VisionaryVillain who lost his son to the Mars Rays Disease and only has a few months left to live. He wants to create a new humanity that will be free of war and violence, but his methods are both so brutal and nonsensical that it's impossible to think he has a point.
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** Flit: We are supposed to feel sympathy for him because he has lost Yurin and many other people he held dear to the Vagans' madness... but when you start talking of [[FinalSolution murdering every single man, woman and child on the opposing side]] just because you're still pining for a girl who died 50 years ago and whose death has already been avenged, you lose all rights to sympathy. ** Lord Ezelcant: He's [[spoiler:He's a VisionaryVillain who lost his son to the Mars Rays Disease and only has a few months left to live. He wants to create a new humanity that will be free of war and violence, but his methods are both so brutal and nonsensical that it's impossible to think he has a point.]]

*** [[spoiler:And then after he's made supreme commander of the Vagan forces in Ezelcant's stead, along comes Episode 47, in which [[FatBastard Zanald]] opens fire on Zeheart and his men and makes clear that he has no intentions of following Zeheart's orders. You'd expect him to either have this traitor apprehended or simply shot on the spot, right? Wrong. He promptly proceeds to allow Zanald to do as he pleases, which quickly results in Deen's death at Zanald's hands. Nice going.]] **** However, in that case [[spoiler:Zeheart knew that [[TheUriahGambit with Zanald taking the center, his force was in position to take the most damage from the Federation assault]], and sure enough, his entire fleet is wiped out by the ''Diva's'' photon blaster. This was the exact same tactic Zeheart used to get rid of Desil.]]
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*** ** [[spoiler:And then after he's made supreme commander of the Vagan forces in Ezelcant's stead, along comes Episode 47, in which [[FatBastard Zanald]] opens fire on Zeheart and his men and makes clear that he has no intentions of following Zeheart's orders. You'd expect him to either have this traitor apprehended or simply shot on the spot, right? Wrong. He promptly proceeds to allow Zanald to do as he pleases, which quickly results in Deen's death at Zanald's hands. Nice going.]] **** *** However, in that case [[spoiler:Zeheart knew that [[TheUriahGambit with Zanald taking the center, his force was in position to take the most damage from the Federation assault]], and sure enough, his entire fleet is wiped out by the ''Diva's'' photon blaster. This was the exact same tactic Zeheart used to get rid of Desil.]]

* [[WTHCostumingDepartment What the Hell, Hairdressing Department?]]: Froi Olfenoa's hair antennae don't ''exactly'' convey the gravitas one would expect from the leader of a nation. Neither does [[BigBad Lord Ezelcant's]] hair...corkscrewy thing. Asemu's hair looks like a hedgehog combined with a mullet, one of the Magicians Eight has his bangs combed over ''both'' eyes...the list goes on. * WinTheCrowd: Between criticisms of character designs, starting premise, and head writer, it was a challenge AGE had to worry about from the beginning. ** Given some of the entries on this page, it didn't last.
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* [[WTHCostumingDepartment What the Hell, Hairdressing Department?]]: *[WTHCostumingDepartment: Froi Olfenoa's hair antennae don't ''exactly'' convey the gravitas one would expect from the leader of a nation. Neither does [[BigBad Lord Ezelcant's]] hair...corkscrewy thing. Asemu's hair looks like a hedgehog combined with a mullet, one of the Magicians Eight has his bangs combed over ''both'' eyes...the list goes on. * WinTheCrowd: Between criticisms of character designs, starting premise, and head writer, it was a challenge AGE had to worry about from the beginning. ** beginning. Given some of the entries on this page, it didn't last.
21st Aug '15 9:56:34 PM ReiKusanagi
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** Kio's commitment to [[TechnicalPacifist Technical Pacifism]] has also caused a great deal of controversy, provoking unfavorable comparisons to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED SEED]]. Others see it as a natural progression of the plot of the series, going from a warmonger (Flit) to a neutral party (Asemu) to a pacifist in order to end the war.
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** Kio's commitment to [[TechnicalPacifist Technical Pacifism]] has also caused a great deal of controversy, provoking unfavorable comparisons to [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamSEED SEED]]. Others see it as a natural progression of the plot of the series, going from a warmonger (Flit) to a neutral party (Asemu) to a pacifist in order to end the war. Some think he's a parody of AU "understanding" heavy main characters.
23rd Jun '15 4:28:43 PM nombretomado
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*** [[spoiler: Its obvious the [[KingOfTheHill pain medication]] didn't wear off in time for that.]]
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*** [[spoiler: Its obvious the [[KingOfTheHill [[WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill pain medication]] didn't wear off in time for that.]]
27th Mar '15 1:42:39 PM GundamY
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* {{Anvilicious}}: [[spoiler:Grodek's murder]] at the end of Episode 24. By [[spoiler:Arabel]] who had five minutes of screen time in Generation 1 [[spoiler:where Grodek tells him that he will live for revenge]], and the five minutes in 24, [[spoiler:where he gets Grodek in the kidneys]]. No explanation of what else he's been doing in the intervening years or how he even ''met'' [[spoiler:anyone in the Federation's StateSec]]. That's not important. What is important is that it was ''revenge'' and that is bad and destructive revenge will destroy you revenge revenge.
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* {{Anvilicious}}: [[spoiler:Grodek's murder]] at the end of Episode 24. By [[spoiler:Arabel]] who had five minutes of screen time in Generation 1 [[spoiler:where Grodek tells him that he will live for revenge]], and the five minutes in 24, [[spoiler:where he gets Grodek in the kidneys]]. No explanation of what else he's been doing in the intervening years or how he even ''met'' [[spoiler:anyone in the Federation's StateSec]]. That's not important. What is important is that it was ''revenge'' and that is bad and destructive revenge will destroy you revenge revenge.you.
22nd Mar '15 1:43:09 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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Jumping The Shark is for In-Universe only
* GrowingTheBeard <--> JumpingTheShark: Yes, the series manages to achieve ''both'' of these. It grows the beard in Episodes 13-15 by shedding the perceived "kiddy"-ness with several deaths and [[spoiler:turning Flit into a DarkMessiah]], quite raising the stakes in the battles. Then it jumps the shark in the the last arc by TheReveal of Ezelcant's nonsensical ''true'' plan and Kio's decision to be a pacifist. Which isn't necessarily bad, but he's handed a [[MidSeasonUpgrade new, conveniently pacifism-friendly Gundam]] on a silver platter and puts no more effort into it than preaching self-righteously at his enemies. More questionable writing just piles up after that.
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* GrowingTheBeard <--> JumpingTheShark: Yes, the GrowingTheBeard: The series manages to achieve ''both'' of these. It grows the beard in Episodes 13-15 by shedding the perceived "kiddy"-ness with several deaths and [[spoiler:turning Flit into a DarkMessiah]], quite raising the stakes in the battles. Then it jumps the shark in the the last arc by TheReveal of Ezelcant's nonsensical ''true'' plan and Kio's decision to be a pacifist. Which isn't necessarily bad, but he's handed a [[MidSeasonUpgrade new, conveniently pacifism-friendly Gundam]] on a silver platter and puts no more effort into it than preaching self-righteously at his enemies. More questionable writing just piles up after that.battles.
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