History YMMV / MobileSuitGundam

29th Mar '16 3:43:41 AM Mhazard
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** "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHdy0P-GEIQ Char, you double crossed me, Char!]]"
8th Dec '15 10:31:00 AM SunajHguh
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* TooCoolToLive: Ramba Ral

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* TooCoolToLive: Ramba Ral[[spoiler:Ramba Ral]]
8th Dec '15 10:28:55 AM SunajHguh
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* {{Squick}}: In the novel version, aside from the gross plot changes, WordOfGod states that Amuro's crush on Sayla culminated in him [[spoiler: making a ''locket'' out of her ''pubic hair''.]])

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* {{Squick}}: In the novel version, aside from the gross plot changes, WordOfGod states that Amuro's crush on Sayla culminated in him [[spoiler: making a ''locket'' out of her ''pubic hair''.]])]]
8th Dec '15 10:26:14 AM SunajHguh
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** While the compilation movies may have toned down the banshee-like wailing of the White Base crew, Ryu's death in itself lost a lot of its impact. Tomino shoehorned it in for continuity, at the expense of the plot, and Ryu's sacrifice came right after Matilda's death by similar means. The White Base Crew (and Amuro) spend more time mourning Matilda than they do Ryu, who in the series was so mourned that Bright had a PTSD type breakdown and couldn't captain the ship for several episodes.

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** While the compilation movies may have toned down the banshee-like wailing of the White Base crew, Ryu's [[spoiler:Ryu]]'s death in itself lost a lot of its impact. Tomino shoehorned it in for continuity, at the expense of the plot, and Ryu's [[spoiler:Ryu]]'s sacrifice came right after Matilda's [[spoiler:Matilda]]'s death by similar means. The White Base Crew (and Amuro) spend more time mourning Matilda [[spoiler:Matilda]] than they do Ryu, [[spoiler:Ryu]], who in the series was so mourned that Bright had a PTSD type breakdown and couldn't captain the ship for several episodes.
8th Dec '15 10:23:19 AM SunajHguh
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** M'Quve arranging for Ramba Ral's death by denying him better mobile suits.

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** M'Quve [[spoiler:M'Quve arranging for Ramba Ral's death by denying him better mobile suits.]]
8th Dec '15 10:18:29 AM SunajHguh
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* MagnificentBastard: Kycilia Zabi, who manages to outmaneuver her vile older brother Gihren and assume command of Zeon as it enters it darkest hour, without losing audience sympathy or her flair for the dramatic. Various sidematerials have expanded upon her behind the scenes actions, making it clear that of all the backstabbing social climbers in the Zeon command structure, she was undoubtedly the greatest.

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* MagnificentBastard: Kycilia Zabi, who manages to outmaneuver her vile older brother Gihren and assume command of Zeon as it enters it its darkest hour, without losing audience sympathy or her flair for the dramatic. Various sidematerials have expanded upon her behind the scenes actions, making it clear that of all the backstabbing social climbers in the Zeon command structure, she was undoubtedly the greatest.
21st Oct '15 9:06:09 PM DLAbaoaqu
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: Fraw Bow giving the kids a bath in "Trap of M'Quve".
10th Oct '15 1:29:25 PM Kadorhal
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** The show itself was dubbed and shown on Cartoon Network right after the surprise success of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'', but failed to take in the hoped-for ratings, probably due to the animation being twenty years old then. It was pulled after 9/11 four episodes from the end.

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** The show itself was dubbed and shown on Cartoon Network right after the surprise success of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'', but failed to take in the hoped-for ratings, probably due to the animation being twenty years old then. It was pulled after 9/11 four episodes from the end.end, though the final episode nevertheless managed to air that December when Char was voted surprisingly high in Toonami's "New Year's Evil" contest.


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** In the Japanese original, the three kids wanted to give Amuro and the others pie and champagne. In the English dub, the champagne was replaced with soda pop.
** When Fraw Bow was washing the kids, one of the boys made a comment about Kikka, unlike Fraw, not having breasts. In the English dub, he claimed, that Kikka got dirty after falling over on the slippery bathroom floor.
27th Jul '15 1:56:30 AM flamemario12
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: The legendary "Tomino Memo", published in a 1980 book, details the original 52-episode plan for the series. Hitting the high notes: Kycilia attempts to take over Luna 2, but gets killed as Solomon falls. There are a lot more Newtype pilots who end up getting slaughtered (including one who kills Lalah for "consorting with the enemy"). Bright gets the hots for Degwin's SexySecretary, who turns out to be a spy and whom he ends up killing. Amuro personally guns down Gihren, and Char refuses to leave A Baoa Qu as it self-destructs, apparently dying. There were also a bunch of new mobile suits, most of which were drawn up and became part of the rejected sequel proposal ''MS-X''.
** One of the major points of the ''Gihren's Greed'' video game series is to let the player explore these. For example, a Zeon player can choose to give Ramba Ral his Doms[[note]]in canon, M'Quve denied the request entirely for political reasons[[/note]], which leads to his defeating White Base and capturing the Gundam. More recent games take this a step further and allow you to save characters like [[spoiler:Ryu, Sleggar, Garma and Kycilia]] from canonical deaths, making them usable during the events of ''Zeta Gundam'' (complete with aged-up character portraits).
21st Jul '15 5:18:53 PM Kadorhal
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** The show itself was dubbed and shown on Cartoon Network right after the surprise success of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'', but failed to take in the hoped-for ratings, probably due to the animation being twenty years old then. It was pulled after 9/11.
* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Prince]] [[BigBad Gihren Zabi]] is the [[AristocratsAreEvil eldest]] [[NaziNobleman son]] of the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zabi family]], ''[[DragonInChief de facto]]'' [[EvilChancellor dictator]] of the [[TheEmpire Principality of Zeon]], and the franchise's original CM. A cold, [[ManipulativeBastard Machiavellian]] personality who fully believes that DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, Gihren doesn't [[LackOfEmpathy care about anyone's lives]], including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to achieve WorldDomination. He takes [[ANaziByAnyOtherName being compared to]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as ''[[InsultBackfire a compliment]]'', turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror, preaches a MasterRace philosophy (that he [[StrawHypocrite doesn't buy into himself]]), uses a ColonyDrop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population, [[DeadlyGas deploys chemical weapons]] against the [[{{hypocrite}} very colonies he claims to be liberating]], and later {{Wave Motion Gun}}s ''[[SelfMadeOrphan his own]] [[{{Patricide}} father]]'' and [[BigGood General Revil]] into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice, never displaying any emotions beyond self-satisfaction and contempt. When his sister [[BadassPrincess Kycilia]] ([[WeHaveReserves no]] [[TheBaroness angel]] [[EvilGenius herself]]) [[EvenEvilHasStandards confronts him about what he's done]], Gihren's [[SmugSnake sneeringly offhanded disregard]] for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow [[TheSociopath psychopath]]. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Sidestories like ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]'' and ''[[Manga/MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren The Plot to Assassinate Gihren]]'' only add to [[BiggerBad his list of crimes]]--he was TheManBehindTheMan to MadScientist Ginias Sahalin and his [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Apsalus Project]], and arranged (through his secretary, [[TheDragon Cecilia Irene]]) two elaborate false assassination plots with himself as the supposed victim in order to [[FrameUp frame Kycilia]] and [[WoundedGazelleGambit garner public support]] for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an UnwittingPawn in one of these schemes, he was [[UngratefulBastard rewarded]] by seeing his entire family (members of the anti-Zabi faction) imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren, who [[ItsAllAboutMe only cares about himself]], remains the standard to which ''Gundam'''s other monsters aspire to.

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** The show itself was dubbed and shown on Cartoon Network right after the surprise success of ''Anime/MobileSuitGundamWing'', but failed to take in the hoped-for ratings, probably due to the animation being twenty years old then. It was pulled after 9/11.
9/11 four episodes from the end.
* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Prince]] [[BigBad Gihren Zabi]] is the [[AristocratsAreEvil eldest]] [[NaziNobleman son]] of the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zabi family]], ''[[DragonInChief de facto]]'' [[EvilChancellor dictator]] of the [[TheEmpire Principality of Zeon]], and the franchise's original CM. A cold, [[ManipulativeBastard Machiavellian]] personality who fully believes that DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, Gihren doesn't [[LackOfEmpathy care about anyone's lives]], including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to achieve WorldDomination. He takes [[ANaziByAnyOtherName being compared to]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as ''[[InsultBackfire a compliment]]'', turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror, preaches a MasterRace philosophy (that he [[StrawHypocrite doesn't buy into himself]]), uses a ColonyDrop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population, [[DeadlyGas deploys chemical weapons]] against the [[{{hypocrite}} very colonies he claims to be liberating]], and later {{Wave Motion Gun}}s ''[[SelfMadeOrphan his own]] [[{{Patricide}} father]]'' and [[BigGood General Revil]] into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice, never displaying any emotions beyond self-satisfaction and contempt. When his sister [[BadassPrincess Kycilia]] ([[WeHaveReserves no]] [[TheBaroness angel]] [[EvilGenius herself]]) [[EvenEvilHasStandards confronts him about what he's done]], Gihren's [[SmugSnake sneeringly offhanded disregard]] for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow [[TheSociopath psychopath]]. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Sidestories like ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]'' and ''[[Manga/MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren The Plot to Assassinate Gihren]]'' only add to [[BiggerBad his list of crimes]]--he crimes--he was TheManBehindTheMan to MadScientist Ginias Sahalin and his [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Apsalus Project]], and arranged (through his secretary, [[TheDragon Cecilia Irene]]) two elaborate false assassination plots with himself as the supposed victim in order to [[FrameUp frame Kycilia]] and [[WoundedGazelleGambit garner public support]] for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an UnwittingPawn in one of these schemes, he was [[UngratefulBastard rewarded]] by seeing his entire family (members of the anti-Zabi faction) imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren, who [[ItsAllAboutMe only cares about himself]], Gihren remains the standard to which ''Gundam'''s other monsters aspire to.



* EnsembleDarkhorse: Char, full stop (in Japan, he is just as iconic as [[StarWars Darth Vader]] to the Americans). Also Rambal Ral.
** The mobile suit ''[[http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/msgundam/msm-04.htm Acguy]]'' has large number of fans who consider its big head, stumpy limbs and plump frame to be UglyCute. Its derivatives, the even more bizarre looking Agg, Juagg, and Agguguy, aren't horribly unpopular themselves considering they were never actually on the show.
** Sleggar Law appeared in only a handful of episodes yet is incredibly popular. In fact legendary anime director Noburo Ishiguro loved Sleggar so much that he admitted to modelling Roy Focker from Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross after him.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: Char, full stop (in Japan, he is just as iconic as [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] to the Americans).in America). Also Rambal Ral.
** The mobile suit ''[[http://www.[[http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/msgundam/msm-04.htm Acguy]]'' Acguy]] has a large number of fans who consider its big head, stumpy limbs and plump frame to be UglyCute. Its derivatives, the even more bizarre looking Agg, Juagg, and Agguguy, aren't horribly unpopular themselves considering they were never actually on the show.
** Sleggar Law appeared in only a handful of episodes yet is incredibly popular. In fact legendary anime director Noburo Ishiguro loved Sleggar so much that he admitted to modelling Roy Focker from Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross ''Anime/SuperDimensionFortressMacross'' after him.



* FashionVictimVillain M'quve(Nice, uh, frills...).

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* FashionVictimVillain M'quve(Nice, FashionVictimVillain: M'quve. Nice, uh, frills...).frills.



* MemeticBadass: Char ("[[LawOfChromaticSuperiority Da Red wunz go fasta, ya gitz?!]]) and Bright ("[[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan Slapping spineless wimps]] into '''[[TookALevelInBadass MEN OF DESTINY]]''' since 1979...)

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* MemeticBadass: Char ("[[LawOfChromaticSuperiority Da Red wunz go fasta, ya gitz?!]]) and Bright ("[[GetAHoldOfYourselfMan Slapping spineless wimps]] into '''[[TookALevelInBadass MEN OF DESTINY]]''' since 1979...)1979).



** "Blame it on the misfortune of your birth"

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** "Blame it on the misfortune of your birth"birth."



** What really makes Char's crossing of the moral event horizon work is that he didn't just kill [[spoiler: Garma he also killed of the ENTIRE CREW of the Gaw that Garma was on. And THIS is coming form a man who had been shown to genuinely mourn the loss of his subordinates.]] Chew on that for awhile.
** Gihren Zabi crosses it at Garma's funeral, when he turns his younger brother's send-off into a self-aggrandizing political rally (and piratecopies AdolfHitler's salute "Sieg Heil" into "Sieg Zeon"), then reveals himself as a CompleteMonster when he [[spoiler:murders his father.]]
** M'Quve arranging for Ramba Rall's death

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** What really makes Char's crossing of the moral event horizon work is that he didn't just kill [[spoiler: Garma [[spoiler:Garma, he also killed of the ENTIRE CREW entire crew of the Gaw that Garma was on. And THIS ''this'' is coming form a man who had been shown to genuinely mourn the loss of his subordinates.]] Chew on that for awhile.
** Gihren Zabi crosses it at Garma's funeral, when he turns his younger brother's send-off into a self-aggrandizing political rally (and piratecopies AdolfHitler's Hitler's salute "Sieg Heil" into "Sieg Zeon"), then reveals himself as a CompleteMonster when he [[spoiler:murders his father.]]
** M'Quve arranging for Ramba Rall's deathRal's death by denying him better mobile suits.



** The symbolic images involving the Newtype powers can get very ridiculous. Near the series it looks like Amuro is tripping balls rather than feeling traumatized due to [[spoiler:his girl's death.]]

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** The symbolic images involving the Newtype powers can get very ridiculous. Near the end of the series it looks like Amuro is tripping balls rather than feeling traumatized due to [[spoiler:his girl's [[spoiler:Lalah's death.]]



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Kai Shiden, He get much better as story progress.

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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Kai Shiden, Shiden. He get much better as story progress.



*** Actually, that tradition ''does'' exist, [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fire_emblem_seisen_no_keifu/v03/c015/18.html like it's shown in another manga.]] No, whether it's made of [[spoiler: pubic hair]] or not... ''that'' is, well, something else.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Amuro and Lalah's relationship just comes out of nowhere, as does their instant attachment to one another. The series justifies it, what with their Newtype powers having caused them to identify with one another, but that doesn't help make the relationship any more real to the audience. The strangling New-Type would become a tradition in Zeta Gundam.

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*** Actually, that tradition ''does'' exist, [[http://www.mangafox.com/manga/fire_emblem_seisen_no_keifu/v03/c015/18.html like it's shown in another manga.]] No, Now, whether it's made of [[spoiler: pubic hair]] or not... ''that'' is, well, something else.
* StrangledByTheRedString: Amuro and Lalah's relationship just comes out of nowhere, as does their instant attachment to one another. The series justifies it, what with their Newtype powers having caused them to identify with one another, but that doesn't help make the relationship any more real to the audience. The strangling New-Type Newtype would become a tradition in Zeta Gundam.



** One of the major points of the ''Gihren's Greed'' video game series is to let the player explore these. For example, a Zeon player can choose to give Ramba Ral his Doms[[note]]in canon. M'Quve denied the request entirely for political reasons[[/note]], which leads to his defeating White Base and capturing the Gundam. More recent games take this a step further and allow you to save characters like [[spoiler:Ryu, Sleggar, Garma and Kycilia]] from canonical deaths, making them usable during the events of ''ZetaGundam'' (complete with aged-up character portraits).

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** One of the major points of the ''Gihren's Greed'' video game series is to let the player explore these. For example, a Zeon player can choose to give Ramba Ral his Doms[[note]]in canon. canon, M'Quve denied the request entirely for political reasons[[/note]], which leads to his defeating White Base and capturing the Gundam. More recent games take this a step further and allow you to save characters like [[spoiler:Ryu, Sleggar, Garma and Kycilia]] from canonical deaths, making them usable during the events of ''ZetaGundam'' ''Zeta Gundam'' (complete with aged-up character portraits).
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