History YMMV / MobileSuitGundam

29th Apr '17 3:45:38 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* {{Bowdlerise}}:
** In the Japanese original, the three kids wanted to give Amuro and the others pie and champagne. In the English dub, the champagne was replaced with soda pop.
** When Fraw Bow was washing the kids, one of the boys made a comment about Kikka, unlike Fraw, not having breasts. In the English dub, he claimed, that Kikka got dirty after falling over on the slippery bathroom floor.
* DarkIsNotEvil: Dozle Zabi during his death scene appeared to manifest a visibly sinister aura (which was even scarier looking in the TV series). Strangely enough, Dozle was one of the more likeable Zabis. He cared about his men and was a loving family man. Fans tend to interpret this as an aura of hatred. While he loved his country and his people, he hated everything the Federation stood for.
* DracoInLeatherPants: Char

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* {{Bowdlerise}}:
** In the Japanese original, the three kids wanted to give Amuro and the others pie and champagne. In the English dub, the champagne was replaced with soda pop.
** When Fraw Bow was washing the kids, one of the boys made a comment about Kikka, unlike Fraw, not having breasts. In the English dub, he claimed, that Kikka got dirty after falling over on the slippery bathroom floor.
* DarkIsNotEvil: Dozle Zabi during his death scene appeared to manifest a visibly sinister aura (which was even scarier looking in the TV series). Strangely enough, Dozle was one of the more likeable Zabis. He cared about his men and was a loving family man. Fans tend to interpret this as an aura of hatred. While he loved his country and his people, he hated everything the Federation stood for.
* DracoInLeatherPants: CharChar.



* VindicatedByHistory: It's tough to believe that this show was cancelled early due to poor ratings. And it's now the progenitor of one of the most renowned franchises in anime history.



* VindicatedByHistory: It's tough to believe that this show was cancelled early due to poor ratings. And it's now the progenitor of one of the most renowned franchises in anime history.



* TheWoobie: Miharu Ratokie
** Lalah Sune, too.

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* TheWoobie: Miharu Ratokie
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Ratokie. Lalah Sune, too.
29th Apr '17 3:17:22 PM MagBas
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* Bowdlerise:

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19th Apr '17 10:45:36 PM philipnova798
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* Many of the show's infamous errors and animation oddities, especially those from episode 15, became such on sites like 4Chan. Most notably, the shot of the Gundam peering over a cliff from episode 18.

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* ** Many of the show's [[OffModel infamous errors and animation oddities, oddities]], especially those from episode 15, became such on sites like 4Chan. Most notably, the shot of the Gundam peering over a cliff from episode 18.
19th Apr '17 10:44:58 PM philipnova798
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* Many of the show's infamous errors and animation oddities, especially those from episode 15, became such on sites like 4Chan. Most notably, the shot of the Gundam peering over a cliff from episode 18.
14th Apr '17 10:44:50 PM luisedgarf
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* AmericansHateTingle: Arguably [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]], who is [[CompleteMonster far less tolerated in the West than by Japan]] for [[ANaziByAnyOtherName obvious reasons]]. However in Japan, while he is not as popular as the massively-popular Char he is the poster boy for the Zabi Family and is significantly popular enough to have his own game series [[VideoGame/GihrensGreed named after him]]. His Sieg Zeon speech is also considered a major moment in Gundam history and has been repeated in various conventions. This is possibly due to lax laws on the depiction of Nazi aesthetics in Japan along with possible influence of Japan's infamous record of [[ValuesDissonance war crimes denial about it's actions in WWII]]. Interestingly enough, [[MisaimedFandom this appeal in Japan was a far cry from how Tomino wanted to audiences to view the character.]]

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* AmericansHateTingle: Arguably [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]], who is [[CompleteMonster far less tolerated in the West western countries than by Japan]] for [[ANaziByAnyOtherName obvious reasons]]. However in Japan, while he is not as popular as the massively-popular Char he is the poster boy for the Zabi Family and is significantly popular enough to have his own game series [[VideoGame/GihrensGreed named after him]]. His Sieg Zeon speech is also considered a major moment in Gundam history and has been repeated in various conventions. This is possibly due to lax laws on the depiction of Nazi aesthetics in Japan along with possible influence of Japan's infamous record of [[ValuesDissonance war crimes denial about it's actions in WWII]]. Interestingly enough, [[MisaimedFandom this appeal in Japan was a far cry from how Tomino wanted to audiences to view the character.]]
7th Mar '17 8:41:05 AM AegisP
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5th Mar '17 1:56:15 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Prince]] [[BigBad Gihren Zabi]] is the [[AristocratsAreEvil eldest]] [[NaziNobleman son]] of the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zabi family]], ''[[DragonInChief de facto]]'' [[EvilChancellor dictator]] of the [[TheEmpire Principality of Zeon]], and the franchise's original CM. A cold, [[ManipulativeBastard Machiavellian]] personality who fully believes that DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, Gihren doesn't [[LackOfEmpathy care about anyone's lives]], including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to achieve WorldDomination. He takes [[ANaziByAnyOtherName being compared to]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as ''[[InsultBackfire a compliment]]'', turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror, preaches a MasterRace philosophy (that he [[StrawHypocrite doesn't buy into himself]]), uses a ColonyDrop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population, [[DeadlyGas deploys chemical weapons]] against the [[{{hypocrite}} very colonies he claims to be liberating]], and later {{Wave Motion Gun}}s ''[[SelfMadeOrphan his own]] [[{{Patricide}} father]]'' and [[BigGood General Revil]] into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice, never displaying any emotions beyond self-satisfaction and contempt. When his sister [[BadassPrincess Kycilia]] ([[WeHaveReserves no]] [[TheBaroness angel]] [[EvilGenius herself]]) [[EvenEvilHasStandards confronts him about what he's done]], Gihren's [[SmugSnake sneeringly offhanded disregard]] for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow [[TheSociopath psychopath]]. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Sidestories like ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]'' and ''[[Manga/MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren The Plot to Assassinate Gihren]]'' only add to [[GreaterScopeVillain his list of crimes]]--he was TheManBehindTheMan to MadScientist Ginias Sahalin and his [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Apsalus Project]], and arranged (through his secretary, [[TheDragon Cecilia Irene]]) two elaborate false assassination plots with himself as the supposed victim in order to [[FrameUp frame Kycilia]] and [[WoundedGazelleGambit garner public support]] for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an UnwittingPawn in one of these schemes, he was [[UngratefulBastard rewarded]] by seeing his entire family (members of the anti-Zabi faction) imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren remains the standard to which ''Gundam'''s other monsters aspire to.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Prince]] [[BigBad Prince Gihren Zabi]] Zabi]], the franchise's first BigBad, is the [[AristocratsAreEvil eldest]] [[NaziNobleman son]] eldest son of the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zabi family]], ''[[DragonInChief family; [[DragonInChief de facto]]'' [[EvilChancellor dictator]] facto]] dictator of the [[TheEmpire Principality of Zeon]], Zeon; and the franchise's original CM. A cold, [[ManipulativeBastard Machiavellian]] Machiavellian personality who fully believes that DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, Gihren [[ItsAllAboutMe doesn't [[LackOfEmpathy care about anyone's lives]], including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to achieve WorldDomination. TakeOverTheWorld. He takes [[ANaziByAnyOtherName being compared to]] to UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as ''[[InsultBackfire as a compliment]]'', compliment; turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror, horror; preaches a MasterRace philosophy (that he [[StrawHypocrite which he doesn't buy into himself]]), himself]]; uses a ColonyDrop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population, population; deploys [[DeadlyGas deploys chemical weapons]] against the [[{{hypocrite}} very colonies he claims to be liberating]], liberating; and later {{Wave Motion Gun}}s ''[[SelfMadeOrphan blasts his own]] [[{{Patricide}} father]]'' own father]] and [[BigGood General Revil]] Revil into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice, never displaying any emotions beyond self-satisfaction and contempt. armistice. When his sister [[BadassPrincess Kycilia]] ([[WeHaveReserves no]] [[TheBaroness angel]] [[EvilGenius herself]]) Kycilia, [[EvenEvilHasStandards no angel herself]], confronts him about what he's done]], done, Gihren's [[SmugSnake sneeringly offhanded disregard]] disregard for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow [[TheSociopath psychopath]].psychopath. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Sidestories like ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]'' and ''[[Manga/MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren The Plot to Assassinate Gihren]]'' [[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam Side]]-[[MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren stories]] involving him only add to [[GreaterScopeVillain his list of crimes]]--he was TheManBehindTheMan to MadScientist crimes--he helped [[MadScientist Ginias Sahalin Sahalin]] and his [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction [[WeaponOfMassDestruction Apsalus Project]], Project]]; and arranged (through arranged, through his secretary, [[TheDragon Cecilia Irene]]) Irene, two elaborate [[FalseFlagOperation false assassination plots plots]] with himself as the supposed victim in order to [[FrameUp frame Kycilia]] {{frame|Up}} Kycilia and [[WoundedGazelleGambit garner public support]] for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an UnwittingPawn in one of these schemes, he was [[UngratefulBastard rewarded]] rewarded by seeing his entire family (members family, members of the anti-Zabi faction) faction, imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren remains the standard to which ''Gundam'''s other monsters aspire to.
7th Jan '17 11:56:53 PM DarkHunter
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* DarkIsNotEvil: Dozul Zabi during his death scene appeared to manifest a visibly sinister aura (which was even scarier looking in the TV series). Strangely enough, Dozul was one of the more likeable Zabis. He cared about his men and was a loving family man. Fans tend to interpret this as an aura of hatred. While he loved his country and his people, he hated everything the Federation stood for.

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* DarkIsNotEvil: Dozul Dozle Zabi during his death scene appeared to manifest a visibly sinister aura (which was even scarier looking in the TV series). Strangely enough, Dozul Dozle was one of the more likeable Zabis. He cared about his men and was a loving family man. Fans tend to interpret this as an aura of hatred. While he loved his country and his people, he hated everything the Federation stood for.
5th Jan '17 9:25:59 AM 43110
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Prince]] [[BigBad Gihren Zabi]] is the [[AristocratsAreEvil eldest]] [[NaziNobleman son]] of the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zabi family]], ''[[DragonInChief de facto]]'' [[EvilChancellor dictator]] of the [[TheEmpire Principality of Zeon]], and the franchise's original CM. A cold, [[ManipulativeBastard Machiavellian]] personality who fully believes that DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, Gihren doesn't [[LackOfEmpathy care about anyone's lives]], including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to achieve WorldDomination. He takes [[ANaziByAnyOtherName being compared to]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as ''[[InsultBackfire a compliment]]'', turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror, preaches a MasterRace philosophy (that he [[StrawHypocrite doesn't buy into himself]]), uses a ColonyDrop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population, [[DeadlyGas deploys chemical weapons]] against the [[{{hypocrite}} very colonies he claims to be liberating]], and later {{Wave Motion Gun}}s ''[[SelfMadeOrphan his own]] [[{{Patricide}} father]]'' and [[BigGood General Revil]] into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice, never displaying any emotions beyond self-satisfaction and contempt. When his sister [[BadassPrincess Kycilia]] ([[WeHaveReserves no]] [[TheBaroness angel]] [[EvilGenius herself]]) [[EvenEvilHasStandards confronts him about what he's done]], Gihren's [[SmugSnake sneeringly offhanded disregard]] for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow [[TheSociopath psychopath]]. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Sidestories like ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]'' and ''[[Manga/MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren The Plot to Assassinate Gihren]]'' only add to his list of crimes--he was TheManBehindTheMan to MadScientist Ginias Sahalin and his [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Apsalus Project]], and arranged (through his secretary, [[TheDragon Cecilia Irene]]) two elaborate false assassination plots with himself as the supposed victim in order to [[FrameUp frame Kycilia]] and [[WoundedGazelleGambit garner public support]] for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an UnwittingPawn in one of these schemes, he was [[UngratefulBastard rewarded]] by seeing his entire family (members of the anti-Zabi faction) imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren remains the standard to which ''Gundam'''s other monsters aspire to.

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Prince]] [[BigBad Gihren Zabi]] is the [[AristocratsAreEvil eldest]] [[NaziNobleman son]] of the [[BigScrewedUpFamily Zabi family]], ''[[DragonInChief de facto]]'' [[EvilChancellor dictator]] of the [[TheEmpire Principality of Zeon]], and the franchise's original CM. A cold, [[ManipulativeBastard Machiavellian]] personality who fully believes that DespotismJustifiesTheMeans, Gihren doesn't [[LackOfEmpathy care about anyone's lives]], including those of his own family members, and is willing to do anything to achieve WorldDomination. He takes [[ANaziByAnyOtherName being compared to]] UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler as ''[[InsultBackfire a compliment]]'', turns his little brother's funeral into a political rally while the rest of his family looks on in horror, preaches a MasterRace philosophy (that he [[StrawHypocrite doesn't buy into himself]]), uses a ColonyDrop to exterminate vast swathes of earth's population, [[DeadlyGas deploys chemical weapons]] against the [[{{hypocrite}} very colonies he claims to be liberating]], and later {{Wave Motion Gun}}s ''[[SelfMadeOrphan his own]] [[{{Patricide}} father]]'' and [[BigGood General Revil]] into oblivion just so they won't reach an armistice, never displaying any emotions beyond self-satisfaction and contempt. When his sister [[BadassPrincess Kycilia]] ([[WeHaveReserves no]] [[TheBaroness angel]] [[EvilGenius herself]]) [[EvenEvilHasStandards confronts him about what he's done]], Gihren's [[SmugSnake sneeringly offhanded disregard]] for her anger cements his status as an utterly hollow [[TheSociopath psychopath]]. Had he won, he admits that he would have reduced the earth's population to less than a billion and kept it that way so that they could never rise up against him. Sidestories like ''[[Anime/MobileSuitGundamThe08thMSTeam The 08th MS Team]]'' and ''[[Manga/MobileSuitGundamThePlotToAssassinateGihren The Plot to Assassinate Gihren]]'' only add to [[GreaterScopeVillain his list of crimes--he crimes]]--he was TheManBehindTheMan to MadScientist Ginias Sahalin and his [[WeaponsOfMassDestruction Apsalus Project]], and arranged (through his secretary, [[TheDragon Cecilia Irene]]) two elaborate false assassination plots with himself as the supposed victim in order to [[FrameUp frame Kycilia]] and [[WoundedGazelleGambit garner public support]] for clamping down on his political opposition. When Det. David Schiller became an UnwittingPawn in one of these schemes, he was [[UngratefulBastard rewarded]] by seeing his entire family (members of the anti-Zabi faction) imprisoned or executed. Decades after his introduction, Gihren remains the standard to which ''Gundam'''s other monsters aspire to.
21st Oct '16 6:38:44 PM dlchen145
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* EvilIsCool: Zeon gets a lot of love from the fanbase. And there is of course, Char Aznable. It would be hard for him to be a bigger dick. It would also be hard for him to be a bigger {{badass}}.

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* EvilIsCool: Zeon gets a lot of love from the fanbase. And there is of course, Char Aznable. It would be hard for him to be a bigger dick. It would also be hard for him to be a bigger {{badass}}.badass.
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