History YMMV / MobileSuitGundam

4th Dec '17 7:47:30 PM AaronHong
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** Episode 33. A Zeon officer scoffs Char's claims about the Gundam, only to have his forces thoroughly trounced by said Feddie mech. Then he receives a hail from Char, and his first thought is [[Anime/MobileSuitZetaGundam "did he come to]] [[MemeticMutation laugh at me?"]]
28th Oct '17 11:16:13 PM DrPsyche
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** Char's LackOfEmpathy is often delved into more than just being a case of CharacterizationMarches on. At the start of the series he's quite saddened at Slender's death but near the end he's quick to brush off Dimitri's, only remarking on the lost mobile armor. It could be that Char was faking his earlier reactions and as the series goes on he slips up more. It could instead be that Char genuinely thought he cared about them but through the war realized that he was only putting a facade on.

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** Char's LackOfEmpathy is often delved into more than just being a case of CharacterizationMarches on.CharacterizationMarchesOn. At the start of the series he's quite saddened at Slender's death but near the end he's quick to brush off Dimitri's, only remarking on the lost mobile armor. It could be that Char was faking his earlier reactions and as the series goes on he slips up more. It more, or it could instead be that Char genuinely thought he cared about them but through the war realized that he was only putting a facade on.on.
** Kycilia is revealed to have been heading the study of Newtypes something which the rest of the Zabis paid very little interest in. Oddly enough this makes her quite similar to Zeon Deikun himself. Exactly what her end goals were is uncertain; she may have just seen them as weapons or perhaps as the next step for human-kind.
28th Oct '17 11:13:25 PM DrPsyche
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: With a number of characters.
** Amuro is quite often interpreted to be on the autism spectrum. He has an inability to read social cues and he obsesses over fixing things or reading to the point of neglecting his surroundings.
** When Amuro confronts Char over [[spoiler:Lalah's death]], it's clear he places the blame on Char for putting [[spoiler:Lalah]] in that situation rather than himself for killing them. Amuro either averts the heroic guilt complex and understands that it was Char's fault or it's a case of NeverMyFault and he's downplaying his part in killing [[spoiler:her]] even if it was an accident.
** Char's LackOfEmpathy is often delved into more than just being a case of CharacterizationMarches on. At the start of the series he's quite saddened at Slender's death but near the end he's quick to brush off Dimitri's, only remarking on the lost mobile armor. It could be that Char was faking his earlier reactions and as the series goes on he slips up more. It could instead be that Char genuinely thought he cared about them but through the war realized that he was only putting a facade on.
25th Oct '17 2:28:03 PM DrPsyche
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* AmericansHateTingle: Arguably [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]], who is [[CompleteMonster far less tolerated in western countries than by Japan]] for [[ANaziByAnyOtherName obvious reasons]]. However in Japan, while he is not as popular as the massively-popular Char he is the poster boy for the Zabi Family and is significantly popular enough to have his own game series [[VideoGame/GihrensGreed named after him]]. His Sieg Zeon speech is also considered a major moment in Gundam history and has been repeated in various conventions. This is possibly due to lax laws on the depiction of Nazi aesthetics in Japan along with possible influence of Japan's infamous record of [[ValuesDissonance war crimes denial about its actions in WWII]]. Interestingly enough, [[MisaimedFandom this appeal in Japan was a far cry from how Tomino wanted to audiences to view the character.]]

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* AmericansHateTingle: Arguably AmericansHateTingle:
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[[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]], who is [[CompleteMonster far less tolerated in western countries than by Japan]] for [[ANaziByAnyOtherName obvious reasons]]. However in Japan, while he is not as popular as the massively-popular Char he is the poster boy for the Zabi Family and is significantly popular enough to have his own game series [[VideoGame/GihrensGreed named after him]]. His Sieg Zeon speech is also considered a major moment in Gundam history and has been repeated in various conventions. This is possibly due to lax laws on the depiction of Nazi aesthetics in Japan along with possible influence of Japan's infamous record of [[ValuesDissonance war crimes denial about its actions in WWII]]. Interestingly enough, [[MisaimedFandom this appeal in Japan was a far cry from how Tomino wanted to audiences to view the character.]]
20th Oct '17 1:44:58 AM DrPsyche
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* UglyCute: The Aquatic Zeon Mobile Suits are paunchy, squat, and less humanoid than the standard models but they can be quite cute especially the Acguy and, to a lesser extent, the M'Gok.

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* UglyCute: The Aquatic Zeon Mobile Suits are paunchy, squat, and less humanoid than the standard models but they can be quite cute especially the Acguy and, to a lesser extent, the M'Gok.Z'Gok.
5th Oct '17 11:28:29 AM PrincessGwen
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* AmericansHateTingle: Arguably [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]], who is [[CompleteMonster far less tolerated in western countries than by Japan]] for [[ANaziByAnyOtherName obvious reasons]]. However in Japan, while he is not as popular as the massively-popular Char he is the poster boy for the Zabi Family and is significantly popular enough to have his own game series [[VideoGame/GihrensGreed named after him]]. His Sieg Zeon speech is also considered a major moment in Gundam history and has been repeated in various conventions. This is possibly due to lax laws on the depiction of Nazi aesthetics in Japan along with possible influence of Japan's infamous record of [[ValuesDissonance war crimes denial about it's actions in WWII]]. Interestingly enough, [[MisaimedFandom this appeal in Japan was a far cry from how Tomino wanted to audiences to view the character.]]

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* AmericansHateTingle: Arguably [[TheEvilPrince Gihren Zabi]], who is [[CompleteMonster far less tolerated in western countries than by Japan]] for [[ANaziByAnyOtherName obvious reasons]]. However in Japan, while he is not as popular as the massively-popular Char he is the poster boy for the Zabi Family and is significantly popular enough to have his own game series [[VideoGame/GihrensGreed named after him]]. His Sieg Zeon speech is also considered a major moment in Gundam history and has been repeated in various conventions. This is possibly due to lax laws on the depiction of Nazi aesthetics in Japan along with possible influence of Japan's infamous record of [[ValuesDissonance war crimes denial about it's its actions in WWII]]. Interestingly enough, [[MisaimedFandom this appeal in Japan was a far cry from how Tomino wanted to audiences to view the character.]]



* HoYay: Fans get giddy at the [[spoiler: Char and Garma]] subtext, especially during the shower scene and their ''arranged plans''.

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* HoYay: Fans get giddy at the [[spoiler: Char [[spoiler:Char and Garma]] subtext, especially during the shower scene and their ''arranged plans''.



** This seems to have seeped in writers of many of the UC side stories where the majority of Zeon characters are presented as the heroic ones while any good characters in the Federation are typically a TokenGoodTeammate, which ignores that while there was fairly even balance of sympathetic characters in the original series on both sides, the worst characters were all in Zeon.

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** This seems to have seeped in writers of many of the UC side stories where the majority of Zeon characters are presented as the heroic ones while any good characters in the Federation are typically a TokenGoodTeammate, which ignores that while there was a fairly even balance of sympathetic characters in the original series on both sides, the worst characters were all in Zeon.



** [[spoiler: Gihren Zabi's]] lifeless body bouncing softly against a video screen in zero gravity shortly after being shot through the head by [[spoiler: his sister, Kyscilia]]

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** [[spoiler: Gihren [[spoiler:Gihren Zabi's]] lifeless body bouncing softly against a video screen in zero gravity shortly after being shot through the head by [[spoiler: his sister, Kyscilia]]



* {{Squick}}: In the novel version, aside from the gross plot changes, WordOfGod states that Amuro's crush on Sayla culminated in him [[spoiler: making a ''locket'' out of her ''pubic hair''.]]

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* {{Squick}}: In the novel version, aside from the gross plot changes, WordOfGod states that Amuro's crush on Sayla culminated in him [[spoiler: making [[spoiler:making a ''locket'' out of her ''pubic hair''.]]



** Amuro's angst get's pretty extreme at times, with "Fly Gundam!" and "Amuro Deserts" making him come off especially unsympathetic. A lot of the more understandable reasons for his actions are often downplayed for a more general sense of angst that feels like a forced ConflictBall more than anything. Fortunately, 2/3s through the series he get's better.

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** Amuro's angst get's gets pretty extreme at times, with "Fly Gundam!" and "Amuro Deserts" making him come off especially unsympathetic. A lot of the more understandable reasons for his actions are often downplayed for a more general sense of angst that feels like a forced ConflictBall more than anything. Fortunately, 2/3s through the series he get's better.
2nd Oct '17 1:14:17 AM DrPsyche
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* UglyCute: The Aquatic Zeon Mobile Suits are paunchy, squat, and less humanoid than the standard models but they can be quite cute especially the Acguy and, to a lesser extent, the M'Gok.
30th Sep '17 2:37:37 PM DrPsyche
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Amuro can fall into this at times with his {{Wangst}}. When a Federation Officer is giving posthumous rank-ups to fallen soldiers like [[spoiler:Ryu]], Amuro starts an argument over how disrespectful and useless he felt this was. Not only is it a perfectly valid way to honor the dead, but the Officer was just following protocol.
29th Sep '17 3:23:34 AM DrPsyche
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* EvilIsCool: Zeon gets a lot of love from the fanbase.

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* EvilIsCool: Zeon gets a lot of love from the fanbase. From its rhetoric to its frequent and impressive weapons. Even the Zakus, as disposable as they are, really have a cool warlike design that endures to this day.



** Gihren Gabi. There's such a charisma and depravity to him that he really stands out as the series's most evil character.

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** The Black Tri-Stars aren't in the story for very long but they were a memorable trio of badass [[AcePilot Ace Pilots]] that debut the equally cool Doms.
** Gihren Gabi.Zabi. There's such a charisma and depravity to him that he really stands out as the series's most evil character.
26th Sep '17 2:15:16 AM DrPsyche
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** Gihren Gabi. There's such a charisma and depravity to him that he really stands out as the series's most evil character.
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