History YMMV / Metallica

20th Jul '17 8:47:26 PM overman2099
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* GatewaySeries: For both fans and haters alike, Metallica is usually ''the'' band which has introduced most people, especially people who grew up in the 90s and beyond, to the heavy metal genre, or thrash metal in particular. As for the fans who choose to go on to become more full-fledged metalheads and explore thrash, classical, death, or any other metal sub-genre, they usually have Metallica to thank for being their gateway metal band.
16th May '17 6:06:28 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** Cliff Burton, in spades.
13th May '17 4:35:43 PM jdgs
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** ReLoad has been getting a much better reaction between fans and the band recently, mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live; and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days. Most recently, Kirk has gone on record to say he would love to release new videos for the songs of this album, mentioning "Carpe Diem Baby" as an example.

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** ReLoad [=ReLoad=] has been getting a much better reaction between fans and the band recently, mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live; and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days. Most recently, Kirk has gone on record to say he would love to release new videos for the songs of this album, mentioning "Carpe Diem Baby" as an example.
13th May '17 4:34:59 PM jdgs
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* DorkAge: The albums ''Load'' and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this. [=ReLoad=] is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days. Most recently Kirk has gone on record to say he would love to release new videos for the songs of this album, mentioning "Carpe Diem Baby" as an example).

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* DorkAge: The albums ''Load'' and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this. [=ReLoad=] is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because (see the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days. Most recently Kirk has gone on record to say he would love to release new videos for the songs of this album, mentioning "Carpe Diem Baby" as an example).entry below).


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** ReLoad has been getting a much better reaction between fans and the band recently, mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live; and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days. Most recently, Kirk has gone on record to say he would love to release new videos for the songs of this album, mentioning "Carpe Diem Baby" as an example.
13th May '17 4:25:48 PM jdgs
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* DorkAge: The albums ''Load'' and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this. [=ReLoad=] is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days).

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* DorkAge: The albums ''Load'' and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this. [=ReLoad=] is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the [=ReLoad=] days).days. Most recently Kirk has gone on record to say he would love to release new videos for the songs of this album, mentioning "Carpe Diem Baby" as an example).
13th May '17 2:46:50 PM jdgs
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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for ''...And Justice for All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for ''...And Justice for All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]'').''[=ReLoad=]'', although these days the inverse is more true). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.



* DorkAge: The albums ''Load'' and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this. ReLoad is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the ReLoad days).

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* DorkAge: The albums ''Load'' and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this. ReLoad [=ReLoad=] is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the ReLoad [=ReLoad=] days).
13th May '17 2:43:10 PM jdgs
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* DorkAge: The albums from ''Load'' until ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this although some fans include the ''Black Album'' and ''Death Magnetic'' as well. Large numbers of fans will also throw in ''Lulu''.

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* DorkAge: The albums from ''Load'' until and ''St. Anger'' are generally agreed to be this although some this. ReLoad is also included with those two, but that album has been somewhat VindicatedByHistory by the band and most fans in recent years (mostly because the two signature songs of the album, "Fuel" and "The Memory Remains", are amazing when played live and the third one, "The Unforgiven II", has been requested a lot due to the band barely ever playing it even during the ReLoad days).
** The most hardcore thrash metal fans would also
include the ''Black Album'' black album, "Death Magnetic" and ''Death Magnetic'' "Hardwired... To Self Destruct" as well. Large Basically anything Metallica did after "Justice For All".
** While not part of Metallica official Discography, large
numbers of fans will also throw ''Lulu'' in ''Lulu''.here.
9th May '17 1:49:34 PM MetalShadowX
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** I AM THE TABLE!

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** I "I AM THE TABLE!TABLE!", courtesy of a running gag from Website/{{Botchamania}} involving [[MadeOfIndestructium unbreakable tables]].
25th Mar '17 11:24:56 AM RoarkTenjouin
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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for ...And Justice for All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for ...for ''...And Justice for All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.


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** Is ''Lulu'' a Metallica Album featuring Lou Reed, or a Lou Reed album featuring Metallica?


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** I AM THE TABLE!
10th Feb '17 4:53:12 AM igordebraga
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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "...And Justice for All". Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "...for ...And Justice for All".All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.



* EndingFatigue: By the [[WordOfGod band's own admission]], this was one of the reasons for the style change with The Black Album. Kirk made a comment about the songs being "[[PrecisionFStrike too fucking long]]" and his claim that one of the band members swore that they'd never play "...And Justice for All" (the song) again after a grueling concert (he also mentioned "seeing the front row start to yawn by the 8th minute").
** They've gone back to EpicRocking (for a given definition of "Epic") in ''St. Anger'' though. And a more indisputable form in ''Death Magnetic''.

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* EndingFatigue: By the [[WordOfGod band's own admission]], this was one of the reasons for the style change with The Black Album. Kirk made a comment about the songs being "[[PrecisionFStrike too fucking long]]" and his claim that one of the band members swore that they'd never play "...And Justice for All" (the song) again after a grueling concert (he also mentioned "seeing the front row start to yawn by the 8th minute").
minute"). It only started being played again two decades later, mostly in concerts where fans voted for the setlist.
** They've gone back to EpicRocking (for a given definition of "Epic") in ''St. Anger'' though. And a more indisputable form in ''Death Magnetic''.Magnetic'' and ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'' (the latter is even a double album!).



** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah". It also starts with an entertaining bit of StudioChatter:

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], "Fobd"]] (the title is short for [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} "Fell on Black Days"]]), an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah". It also starts with an entertaining bit of StudioChatter:
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