History YMMV / Metallica

25th Mar '17 11:24:56 AM RoarkTenjouin
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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for ...And Justice for All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for ...for ''...And Justice for All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.


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** Is ''Lulu'' a Metallica Album featuring Lou Reed, or a Lou Reed album featuring Metallica?


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** I AM THE TABLE!
10th Feb '17 4:53:12 AM igordebraga
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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "...And Justice for All". Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "...for ...And Justice for All".All''. Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'', while getting an overall good reception from fans, had a fair amount of dissers, [[http://teamrock.com/feature/2016-08-19/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-the-best-reactions-to-the-new-metallica-song particularly about its advance singles]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.



* EndingFatigue: By the [[WordOfGod band's own admission]], this was one of the reasons for the style change with The Black Album. Kirk made a comment about the songs being "[[PrecisionFStrike too fucking long]]" and his claim that one of the band members swore that they'd never play "...And Justice for All" (the song) again after a grueling concert (he also mentioned "seeing the front row start to yawn by the 8th minute").
** They've gone back to EpicRocking (for a given definition of "Epic") in ''St. Anger'' though. And a more indisputable form in ''Death Magnetic''.

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* EndingFatigue: By the [[WordOfGod band's own admission]], this was one of the reasons for the style change with The Black Album. Kirk made a comment about the songs being "[[PrecisionFStrike too fucking long]]" and his claim that one of the band members swore that they'd never play "...And Justice for All" (the song) again after a grueling concert (he also mentioned "seeing the front row start to yawn by the 8th minute").
minute"). It only started being played again two decades later, mostly in concerts where fans voted for the setlist.
** They've gone back to EpicRocking (for a given definition of "Epic") in ''St. Anger'' though. And a more indisputable form in ''Death Magnetic''.Magnetic'' and ''Hardwired... to Self Destruct'' (the latter is even a double album!).



** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah". It also starts with an entertaining bit of StudioChatter:

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], "Fobd"]] (the title is short for [[Music/{{Soundgarden}} "Fell on Black Days"]]), an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah". It also starts with an entertaining bit of StudioChatter:
30th Jan '17 2:43:29 PM Lyendith
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** WinBackTheCrowd: If you can get past the [[LoudnessWar mixing / mastering]], many fans consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be a return to classic Metallica following the widely-disliked albums ''Load'', ''[=ReLoad=]'', and ''St.Anger''. The release of ''Beyond Magnetic'' soon after much-disliked album Lulu seems to be this as well.
*** Connecting to ''Death Magnetic'', many fans '''hate''' Rick Rubin for being involved with the [[LoudnessWar mixing / mastering]] of it, pointing out the only reason the album is low on some of their lists are because of how poor the mixing / mastering is. It's even become a running gag for fans make their ''own remasters'' because of it.

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** WinBackTheCrowd: If you can get past the [[LoudnessWar mixing / mastering]], many fans consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be a return to classic Metallica following the widely-disliked albums ''Load'', ''[=ReLoad=]'', and ''St.Anger''. The release of ''Beyond Magnetic'' soon after much-disliked album Lulu seems to be this as well.
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Connecting to ''Death Magnetic'', many fans '''hate''' Rick Rubin for being involved with the [[LoudnessWar mixing / mastering]] of it, pointing out the only reason the album is low on some of their lists are because of how poor the mixing / mastering is. It's even become a running gag for fans make their ''own remasters'' because of it.



* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Death Magnetic'' did this to a certain extent after the divisive ''St. Anger''. In respect to the album itself, the 2016 remaster largely fixed fans' LoudnessWar complaints. To a lesser extent, this also happened again with ''Beyond Magnetic'' after the even more divisive ''Lulu''.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: If you can get past the [[LoudnessWar mixing / mastering]], ''Death Magnetic'' did this to a certain extent after the divisive ''St. Anger''. In respect to the album itself, the 2016 remaster largely fixed fans' LoudnessWar complaints. To a lesser extent, this also happened again with ''Beyond Magnetic'' after the even more divisive ''Lulu''.
2nd Jan '17 2:13:43 PM CassandraLeo
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* SweetDreamsFuel: Believe it or not, they have at least one example: "Junior Dad" from ''Lulu'', which could practically be a Music/SigurRos song. With the RealitySubtext of its being the last song on Music/LouReed's last album, though, it's also a TearJerker.
25th Nov '16 9:34:28 AM WhatArtThee
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** The band as a whole gets this, because they are by ''far'' the most popular metal band in the entire world (unless either Music/LinkinPark or Music/{{ACDC}} count, but the former has elements of metal on only a few albums and the latter is closer to hard rock to the trained ear) and naturally are going to be the first band that novice metalheads try out. If Metallica is the first metal band you can name, chances are you'll get called out as a "noob". It's gotten to the point that it's almost not okay to like the band because of their immense popularity.

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** The band as a whole gets this, because they are by ''far'' the most popular metal band in the entire world (unless either Music/LinkinPark or Music/{{ACDC}} count, but the former has elements of metal on only a few albums and the latter is closer to hard rock to the trained ear) counts) and naturally are going to be the first band that novice metalheads try out. If Metallica is the first metal band you can name, chances are you'll get called out as a "noob". It's gotten to the point that it's almost not okay to like the band because of their immense popularity.
19th Nov '16 6:27:28 PM JamesShade
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*** Other songs from this period that can qualify for this include "Where the Wild Things Are", "Devil's Dance", "Low Man's Lyric", "Fixxxer", "Bleeding Me", "The Outlaw Torn", "Ronnie", and "Hero of the Day", though if you ask a dozen Metallica fans what the best songs from this period are, you'll probably get a dozen different answers. It's pretty rare for Metallica fans to dislike every single song on ''Load'' and ''Reload'', though it's also a pretty common opinion that they would have been much better if they had been trimmed significantly or even trimmed enough to fit on a single CD.

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*** Other songs from this period that can qualify for this include "Where the Wild Things Are", "Devil's Dance", "Low Man's Lyric", "Fixxxer", "Bleeding Me", "The Outlaw Torn", "Ronnie", and "Hero of the Day", though if you ask a dozen Metallica fans what the best songs from this period are, you'll probably get a dozen different answers. It's pretty rare for Metallica fans to dislike every single song on ''Load'' and ''Reload'', though it's also a pretty common opinion that they would have been much better if they had been trimmed significantly or even trimmed significantly, possibly enough to fit on a single CD.
19th Nov '16 12:41:16 AM CassandraLeo
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** ''Lulu'' may be going this way as well, if the last.fm shoutbox is any indication. Now that people have had more time to digest it, what Reed and Metallica were aiming for may be more apparent. No less a source than Music/DavidBowie named it as Reed's best album and cited it as an influence on his own acclaimed final album, ''Music/{{Blackstar}}''.
18th Nov '16 4:26:54 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** ''Hardwired...to Self Destruct'' seems to be this as well as of late. While it's still criticized by the band's ever broken fanbase, many fans to agree it's still a solid release within the ranks of ''Death Magnetic''.
23rd Sep '16 1:43:58 PM MikeK
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah".

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah". It also starts with an entertaining bit of StudioChatter:
-->"Can we get fucking Kirk in here?"
-->"Yeah, get ''Fucking'' Kirk in here... not Regular Kirk"
13th Sep '16 11:48:44 AM Xarvas
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** Lars Ulrich after the Napster debacle.

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** Lars Ulrich after the Napster debacle. Also his drumming style is criticised as by far the weakest in the Big 4 bands. Especially since the late 90s when he often omitted double bass parts when playing live.
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