History YMMV / Metallica

2nd Jan '17 2:13:43 PM CassandraLeo
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* SweetDreamsFuel: Believe it or not, they have at least one example: "Junior Dad" from ''Lulu'', which could practically be a Music/SigurRos song. With the RealitySubtext of its being the last song on Music/LouReed's last album, though, it's also a TearJerker.
25th Nov '16 9:34:28 AM WhatArtThee
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** The band as a whole gets this, because they are by ''far'' the most popular metal band in the entire world (unless either Music/LinkinPark or Music/{{ACDC}} count, but the former has elements of metal on only a few albums and the latter is closer to hard rock to the trained ear) and naturally are going to be the first band that novice metalheads try out. If Metallica is the first metal band you can name, chances are you'll get called out as a "noob". It's gotten to the point that it's almost not okay to like the band because of their immense popularity.

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** The band as a whole gets this, because they are by ''far'' the most popular metal band in the entire world (unless either Music/LinkinPark or Music/{{ACDC}} count, but the former has elements of metal on only a few albums and the latter is closer to hard rock to the trained ear) counts) and naturally are going to be the first band that novice metalheads try out. If Metallica is the first metal band you can name, chances are you'll get called out as a "noob". It's gotten to the point that it's almost not okay to like the band because of their immense popularity.
19th Nov '16 6:27:28 PM JamesShade
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*** Other songs from this period that can qualify for this include "Where the Wild Things Are", "Devil's Dance", "Low Man's Lyric", "Fixxxer", "Bleeding Me", "The Outlaw Torn", "Ronnie", and "Hero of the Day", though if you ask a dozen Metallica fans what the best songs from this period are, you'll probably get a dozen different answers. It's pretty rare for Metallica fans to dislike every single song on ''Load'' and ''Reload'', though it's also a pretty common opinion that they would have been much better if they had been trimmed significantly or even trimmed enough to fit on a single CD.

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*** Other songs from this period that can qualify for this include "Where the Wild Things Are", "Devil's Dance", "Low Man's Lyric", "Fixxxer", "Bleeding Me", "The Outlaw Torn", "Ronnie", and "Hero of the Day", though if you ask a dozen Metallica fans what the best songs from this period are, you'll probably get a dozen different answers. It's pretty rare for Metallica fans to dislike every single song on ''Load'' and ''Reload'', though it's also a pretty common opinion that they would have been much better if they had been trimmed significantly or even trimmed significantly, possibly enough to fit on a single CD.
19th Nov '16 12:41:16 AM CassandraLeo
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** ''Lulu'' may be going this way as well, if the last.fm shoutbox is any indication. Now that people have had more time to digest it, what Reed and Metallica were aiming for may be more apparent. No less a source than Music/DavidBowie named it as Reed's best album and cited it as an influence on his own acclaimed final album, ''Music/{{Blackstar}}''.
18th Nov '16 4:26:54 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** ''Hardwired...to Self Destruct'' seems to be this as well as of late. While it's still criticized by the band's ever broken fanbase, many fans to agree it's still a solid release within the ranks of ''Death Magnetic''.
23rd Sep '16 1:43:58 PM MikeK
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah".

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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah". It also starts with an entertaining bit of StudioChatter:
-->"Can we get fucking Kirk in here?"
-->"Yeah, get ''Fucking'' Kirk in here... not Regular Kirk"
13th Sep '16 11:48:44 AM Xarvas
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** Lars Ulrich after the Napster debacle.

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** Lars Ulrich after the Napster debacle. Also his drumming style is criticised as by far the weakest in the Big 4 bands. Especially since the late 90s when he often omitted double bass parts when playing live.
25th Aug '16 10:28:09 PM CassandraLeo
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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "...And Justice for All". Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]].

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "...And Justice for All". Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]. Even ''Lulu'', which seemingly everyone hated, has its defenders, and there are those who have predicted that, like Music/LouReed's ''Music/{{Berlin}}'' (and, for that matter, the Music/VelvetUnderground's works), it will end up being VindicatedByHistory twenty years down the line.



* DorkAge: The albums from ''Load'' until ''St. Anger'' is generally agreed to be this although some fans include the ''Black Album'' and ''Death Magnetic'' as well.

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* DorkAge: The albums from ''Load'' until ''St. Anger'' is are generally agreed to be this although some fans include the ''Black Album'' and ''Death Magnetic'' as well.well. Large numbers of fans will also throw in ''Lulu''.



* EndingFatigue: By the [[WordOfGod band's own admission]], this was one of the reasons for the style change with The Black Album. Kirk made a comment about the songs being "[[PrecisionFStrike too fucking long]]" and his claim that one of the band members swore that they'd never play "...And Justice For All" (the song) again after a grueling concert (he also mentioned "seeing the front row start to yawn by the 8th minute").

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* EndingFatigue: By the [[WordOfGod band's own admission]], this was one of the reasons for the style change with The Black Album. Kirk made a comment about the songs being "[[PrecisionFStrike too fucking long]]" and his claim that one of the band members swore that they'd never play "...And Justice For for All" (the song) again after a grueling concert (he also mentioned "seeing the front row start to yawn by the 8th minute").



* GrowingTheBeard: ''Ride the Lightning'' was the album where the band's thematic compositions transitioned entirely from teenage metalhead desires to more complex and mature subjects.

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* GrowingTheBeard: ''Ride the Lightning'' ''Music/RideTheLightning'' was the album where the band's thematic compositions transitioned entirely from teenage metalhead desires to more complex and mature subjects.
12th Aug '16 4:02:27 AM gewunomox
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** Arguably the biggest ever, at least in music. Metallica was the largest reason that the Grammys created the "Best Hard Rock/Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental" award in 1989, ''and then they lost to '''Music/JethroTull''''' (the members of whom hadn't even shown up to the ceremony since they weren't expected to win). The look on Lars' face (as the band stood offstage literally just after they had played a blistering performance of "One") was '''priceless'''. Music/AliceCooper and [[Music/TheRunaways Lita Ford]], who presented the award, said "Jethro Tull?" in the form of a question when they read the name off the winner card, and booing could be heard from the crowd. The resulting backlash and criticism against the Academy resulted in the category being split into two separate ones; "Best Hard Rock Performance" and "Best Heavy Metal Performance", the latter of which Metallica won for the next three years afterward and holds the record for most won.

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** Arguably the biggest ever, at least in music. Metallica was the largest reason that the Grammys created the "Best Hard Rock/Metal Rock / Metal Performance Vocal or Instrumental" award in 1989, ''and then they lost to '''Music/JethroTull''''' (the members of whom hadn't even shown up to the ceremony since they weren't expected to win). The look on Lars' face (as the band stood offstage literally just after they had played a blistering performance of "One") was '''priceless'''. Music/AliceCooper and [[Music/TheRunaways Lita Ford]], who presented the award, said "Jethro Tull?" in the form of a question when they read the name off the winner card, and booing could be heard from the crowd. The resulting backlash and criticism against the Academy resulted in the category being split into two separate ones; "Best Hard Rock Performance" and "Best Heavy Metal Performance", the latter of which Metallica won for the next three years afterward and holds the record for most won.



** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "And Justice For All". Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]

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** Several. Some fans only like their first three albums claiming the band died with Cliff and disliking the more progressive metal sound for "And "...And Justice For for All". Some only listen to their first 4 albums, calling [[ItsPopularNowItSucks sellout]] on anything post-Black Album. Some fans include The Black Album as canon but dislike their [[TheyChangedItNowItSucks their change in style]] for the albums after that. Some like ''Load'' and ''[=ReLoad=]'' but dislike ''St. Anger'' (and some like ''Load'' but not ''[=ReLoad=]''). Some listen to anything they put out. Some of any of the aforementioned consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be [[WinBACKTheCrowd a nice recovery]] and more like their pre-Black Album work, and some have blacklisted it [[LoudnessWar due to poor audio quality]]quality]].



* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Every song they do about war, most notably "For Whom The Bell Tolls". Although it's about [[WarIsHell the futility of war]], it's a kick ass song that gets one's adrenaline pumping.

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: Every song they do about war, most notably "For Whom The the Bell Tolls". Although it's about [[WarIsHell the futility of war]], it's a kick ass song that gets one's adrenaline pumping.



* DorkAge: The albums from ''Load'' until ''St Anger'' is generally agreed to be this althought some fans include the ''Black Album'' and ''Death Magnetic'' as well.

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* DorkAge: The albums from ''Load'' until ''St ''St. Anger'' is generally agreed to be this althought although some fans include the ''Black Album'' and ''Death Magnetic'' as well.



** TIME MARCHES ON [-ON-] [--ON--]...FOR WHOM THE BELL TOOOOLLLLLLS!

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** TIME MARCHES ON [-ON-] [--ON--]... FOR WHOM THE BELL TOOOOLLLLLLS!



** SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE. IíM SENT HERE BY THE CHOSEN ONE. SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE, TO KILL THE FIRST -BORN PHARAOHíS SON. IíM CREEPING DEEEEEEAAAAAAAATH.

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** SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE. IíM I'M SENT HERE BY THE CHOSEN ONE. SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE, TO KILL THE FIRST -BORN PHARAOHíS PHARAOH'S SON. IíM CREEPING DEEEEEEAAAAAAAATH.



* EpicRiff: The bread-and-butter of some of their most popular songs. "Enter Sandman" also loaned itself to [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QccIiHbcyA the greatest pro wrestling entrance ever caught on film.]]

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* EpicRiff: The bread-and-butter of some of their most popular songs. "Enter Sandman" also loaned itself to [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QccIiHbcyA the greatest pro wrestling entrance ever caught on film.]]



** If Youtube comments are something to go off of, covering any Cliff-era bass lines with a pick.

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** If Youtube Website/YouTube comments are something to go off of, covering any Cliff-era bass lines with a pick.



** Which album(s) depends on who you ask, but ''St. Anger'' is perhaps the most universally ignored. Even the band themselves acknowledge this, as they rarely play any of the ''St. Anger'' songs during their live sets, and Ulrich mocked the album in [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyM3_u8SDNQ this clip.]]

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** Which album(s) depends on who you ask, but ''St. Anger'' is perhaps the most universally ignored. Even the band themselves acknowledge this, as they rarely play any of the ''St. Anger'' songs during their live sets, and Ulrich mocked the album in [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyM3_u8SDNQ this clip.]]



** At one point in the 80's, during an interview Cliff Burton was asked who in the band would probably die first. Burton guessed it would be him.
** A related, if rather creepy one: according to the Other Wiki, Cliff won a game of drawing cards to determine which bunk he would get...by drawing the ace of spades. It is known as the death card in fortune telling, popular myth and folklore.

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** At one point in the 80's, '80s, during an interview Cliff Burton was asked who in the band would probably die first. Burton guessed it would be him.
** A related, if rather creepy one: according According to the Other Wiki, Cliff won a game of drawing cards to determine which bunk he would get...by get... By drawing the ace of spades. It is known as the death card in fortune telling, popular myth and folklore.



* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From the ''Live Shit: Binge and Purge'' performance of "Seek and Destroy"

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* SugarWiki/FunnyMoments: From the ''Live Shit: Binge and Purge'' performance of "Seek and Destroy"Destroy":



** When they tried to do [[https://youtu.be/hxrcI_E-prA?t=2m35s "Trapped Under Ice"]] on tour in 1987 and hit the first verse.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah".

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** When they tried to do [[https://youtu.be/hxrcI_E-prA?t=2m35s [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxrcI_E-prA?t=2m35s "Trapped Under Ice"]] on tour in 1987 and hit the first verse.
** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah".



** After literally GrowingTheBeard (in the form of mutton chops that made him look five years older than he did clean-shaven) during the ...And Justice For All era, James Hetfield's vocal style became much more deep and angry, and it's almost impossible to tell that it's the same person who sang on Kill 'Em All. A few years later, however, this vocal style was lost (along with the mutton chops); some cite that James blew his voice out, while over state that his anger over Cliff Burton's death had largely decreased since Justice For All.
* HarsherInHindsight: The line "Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation take me home?" from "To Live Is to Die." Considering this line was found in one of Cliff's notebooks...

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** After literally GrowingTheBeard (in the form of mutton chops that made him look five years older than he did clean-shaven) during the ...And Justice For for All era, James Hetfield's vocal style became much more deep and angry, and it's almost impossible to tell that it's the same person who sang on Kill 'Em All. A few years later, however, this vocal style was lost (along with the mutton chops); some cite that James blew his voice out, while over state that his anger over Cliff Burton's death had largely decreased since since ...Justice For for All.
* HarsherInHindsight: The line "Cannot the Kingdom of Salvation take me home?" from "To Live Is to is To Die." Considering this line was found in one of Cliff's notebooks...



* MemeticMutation: When singing, Hetfield has a tendency to end words with -AHH! tacked on to them, like [[SelfDemonstratingArticle THIS-AHH!!]] This tendency sometimes gets made fun of, but it's usually [[AffectionateParody in good fun]]. There's also the issue of "Frantic" from ''[[TheScrappy St Anger]]''. Frantic tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick...you get the point. More recently, "Split apart" from "My Apocalypse" from ''Death Magnetic'' and "I am the table" from their [[InternetBackdraft much-ballyhooed]] collaboration with Lou Reed have been smaller examples.

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* MemeticMutation: When singing, Hetfield has a tendency to end words with -AHH! tacked on to them, like [[SelfDemonstratingArticle THIS-AHH!!]] This tendency sometimes gets made fun of, but it's usually [[AffectionateParody in good fun]]. There's also the issue of "Frantic" from ''[[TheScrappy St St. Anger]]''. Frantic tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick tick...you You get the point. More recently, "Split apart" from "My Apocalypse" from ''Death Magnetic'' and "I am the table" from their [[InternetBackdraft much-ballyhooed]] collaboration with Lou Reed have been smaller examples.



*** To be fair, Music/{{Metallica}} ''has'' stated that, while a change in musical styles would've definitely happened with or without Cliff, it probably wouldn't have been a shift to blues based alternative (as was the case in the mid-90's). It would've likely been a shift to a more progressive style of heavy metal akin to bands like Music/DreamTheater.

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*** To be fair, Music/{{Metallica}} ''has'' stated that, while a change in musical styles would've definitely happened with or without Cliff, it probably wouldn't have been a shift to blues based alternative (as was the case in the mid-90's).mid-'90s). It would've likely been a shift to a more progressive style of heavy metal akin to bands like Music/DreamTheater.



* NeverLiveItDown: St. Anger. Noone is going to let James forget "I Am The Table" either.

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* NeverLiveItDown: St. Anger. Noone No-one is going to let James forget "I Am The Table" am the table" either.



** WinBackTheCrowd: If you can get past the [[LoudnessWar mixing/mastering]], many fans consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be a return to classic Metallica following the widely-disliked albums ''Load'', ''[=ReLoad=]'', and ''St.Anger''. The release of ''Beyond Magnetic'' soon after much-disliked album Lulu seems to be this as well.
*** Connecting to ''Death Magnetic'', many fans '''hate''' Rick Rubin for being involved with the [[LoudnessWar mixing/mastering]] of it, pointing out the only reason the album is low on some of their lists are because of how poor the mixing/mastering is. It's even become a running gag for fans make their ''own remasters'' because of it.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Averted mostly, they show up in the top 5 of any list of the best heavy metal bands, but occasionally people forget just how heavy they were when they came out. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC9aXKqrEvE&feature=related This]] song was the face of mainstream heavy metal in 1982/3. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB8OvPtf_d0 This]] is Metallica's first song.

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** WinBackTheCrowd: If you can get past the [[LoudnessWar mixing/mastering]], mixing / mastering]], many fans consider ''Death Magnetic'' to be a return to classic Metallica following the widely-disliked albums ''Load'', ''[=ReLoad=]'', and ''St.Anger''. The release of ''Beyond Magnetic'' soon after much-disliked album Lulu seems to be this as well.
*** Connecting to ''Death Magnetic'', many fans '''hate''' Rick Rubin for being involved with the [[LoudnessWar mixing/mastering]] mixing / mastering]] of it, pointing out the only reason the album is low on some of their lists are because of how poor the mixing/mastering mixing / mastering is. It's even become a running gag for fans make their ''own remasters'' because of it.
* SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Averted mostly, they show up in the top 5 of any list of the best heavy metal bands, but occasionally people forget just how heavy they were when they came out. [[http://www.[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC9aXKqrEvE&feature=related com/watch?v=TC9aXKqrEvE This]] song was the face of mainstream heavy metal in 1982/3. [[http://www.1982-83. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB8OvPtf_d0 This]] is Metallica's first song.



* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In addition to each new album leading to them being accused of [[ItsPopularNowItSucks selling out]] they also get accused of this after each one. Though The Black Album is the most prominent example, even their pre-Black Album works get this; ''Ride the Lightning'' for having a ballad, ''Master of Puppets'' for being slightly less thrash sounding than the previous two albums, and ''And Justice For All'' for having a more progressive metal sound. In addition to making them commercially successful, ''Metallica'', aka, "The Black Album" also marked a big change in their musical style to a more general heavy metal sound. ''Load'' and ''ReLoad'' continued that change to an alternative rock sound, and ''St. Anger'' to nu metal.

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* TheyChangedItNowItSucks: In addition to each new album leading to them being accused of [[ItsPopularNowItSucks selling out]] they also get accused of this after each one. Though The Black Album is the most prominent example, even their pre-Black Album works get this; ''Ride the Lightning'' for having a ballad, ''Master of Puppets'' for being slightly less thrash sounding than the previous two albums, and ''And ''...And Justice For for All'' for having a more progressive metal sound. In addition to making them commercially successful, ''Metallica'', aka, AKA, "The Black Album" also marked a big change in their musical style to a more general heavy metal sound. ''Load'' and ''ReLoad'' continued that change to an alternative rock sound, and ''St. Anger'' to nu metal.



* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Death Magnetic'' did this to a certain extent after the divisive ''St. Anger''. In respect to the album itself, the 2016 remaster largely fixed fans' LoudnessWar complaints. To a lesser extent, this also happened again with ''Beyond Magnetic'' after the even more divisive ''Lulu''.

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* WinBackTheCrowd: ''Death Magnetic'' did this to a certain extent after the divisive ''St. Anger''. In respect to the album itself, the 2016 remaster largely fixed fans' LoudnessWar complaints. To a lesser extent, this also happened again with ''Beyond Magnetic'' after the even more divisive ''Lulu''.''Lulu''.
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29th Jul '16 8:05:12 PM MikeK
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** [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef0zsFRKBck "Fobd"]], an early "Until It Sleeps" demo recorded before they came up with any lyrics for it: James is [[{{scatting}} just singing nonsense]] as a way to come up with a vocal melody, and since it's noted as his main LyricalTic, it's particularly funny that most of the placeholder lyrics consist of "yeah".
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