History YMMV / MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty

25th Mar '17 10:19:56 AM PF
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** ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' wasn't the first game to have a WholePlotReference to its predecessor, considering how much ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' lifted from ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake''. [[spoiler:Admittedly, though, ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' takes this idea [[MetaFiction much, much further]] than the original ''Metal Gear Solid'' ever did.]]
25th Mar '17 10:16:53 AM PF
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** ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'' was acclaimed for its deconstruction of the concept of linearity in video games, but this game beat it to the punch by six years. You could also make a compelling argument that ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' predated ''VideoGame/TheStanleyParable'' by ten years, particularly the torture room gag with Ocelot (although that being said, ''The Stanley Parable'''s lead developer Davey Wreden did cite this game as an influence when developing ''TSP'').
*** From the opposite direction, VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII deconstructed a lot of protagonist and escapism tropes as well, four years before this game did so.

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** ''VideoGame/{{BioShock|1}}'' was acclaimed for its deconstruction of the concept of linearity in video games, but this game beat it to the punch by six years. You could also make a compelling argument that ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' predated ''VideoGame/TheStanleyParable'' by ten years, particularly the torture room gag with Ocelot (although that being said, ''The Ocelot.[[note]]''The Stanley Parable'''s lead developer Davey Wreden did cite cited this game as an influence when developing ''TSP'').
*** From the opposite direction, VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII deconstructed a lot of protagonist and escapism tropes as well, four years before this game did so.
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** ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' also wasn't the first game to have a WholePlotReference to its predecessor, considering how much ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolid'' lifted from ''VideoGame/MetalGear2SolidSnake''. [[spoiler:Admittedly, though, ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' takes this idea [[MetaFiction much, much further]] than the first ''Solid'' ever did.]]



* PortingDisaster: The PC version. You know you've screwed up when you fail at porting a game that worked perfectly fine on the {{Xbox}} to PC, when the architecture is nearly identical between platforms. It was so bad, in fact, that no ''Metal Gear Solid'' game since then was ported from its original console until the ''HD Collection'' in 2011 (a full seven years after ''Metal Gear Solid 3''[='=]s initial release), and it took another two years for any to come to PC (''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' in January 2014, nearly eleven years after the ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' PC port).

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* PortingDisaster: The PC version. You know you've screwed up when you fail at porting a game that worked perfectly fine on the {{Xbox}} UsefulNotes/{{Xbox}} to PC, when the architecture is nearly identical between platforms. It was so bad, in fact, that no ''Metal Gear Solid'' game since then was ported from its original console until the ''HD Collection'' in 2011 (a full seven years after ''Metal Gear Solid 3''[='=]s initial release), and it took another two years for any to come to PC (''VideoGame/MetalGearRisingRevengeance'' in January 2014, nearly eleven years after the ''Metal Gear Solid 2'' PC port).
27th Feb '17 8:38:42 PM CrowTR0bot
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*** From the opposite direction, VideoGame/FinalFantasyVII deconstructed a lot of protagonist and escapism tropes as well, four years before this game did so.
30th Dec '16 4:17:40 AM PF
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Colonel, [[spoiler:who is actually a AI replica]], is one of the more fondly remembered characters of the game, to the point of being referenced in future games, and even eclipsing the popularity of [[spoiler: the real Roy Campbell]]. He's such a whacko, a scoundrel, and a creep that you can't help but love him;

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Colonel, [[spoiler:who is actually a AI replica]], is one of the more fondly remembered characters of the game, to the point of being referenced in future games, and even eclipsing the popularity of [[spoiler: the real Roy Campbell]]. He's such a whacko, a scoundrel, and a creep that you can't help but love him;him:
30th Dec '16 4:16:14 AM PF
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: The Colonel, [[spoiler:who is actually a AI replica]], is one of the more fondly remembered characters of the game, to the point of being referenced in future games, and even eclipsing the popularity of [[spoiler: the real Roy Campbell]]. He's such a whacko, a scoundrel, and a creep that you can't help but love him.

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: EnsembleDarkhorse: The Colonel, [[spoiler:who is actually a AI replica]], is one of the more fondly remembered characters of the game, to the point of being referenced in future games, and even eclipsing the popularity of [[spoiler: the real Roy Campbell]]. He's such a whacko, a scoundrel, and a creep that you can't help but love him.him;



** Kojima called 9/11. In fact, looking at this list, we should just use Kojima to predict the future at this point.
*** The "New York Incident" is referenced in ''Metal Gear Solid 4''; it seems the destruction of Lower Manhattan took the place of the (comparatively smaller) destruction of the Twin Towers. It also leads to a dramatic rise in private military contracting and [[TheWarOnTerror increased turmoil in the Middle East]].
*** Sidebar: In [[http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Arsenal_Gear#The_Manhattan_Incident Kojima's unedited version]], the WTC is about the only New York landmark that ''doesn't'' get destroyed. Click it and cringe.

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** Kojima called 9/11. In fact, looking at this list, we should just use Kojima to predict the future at this point.
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The "New York Incident" is referenced in ''Metal Gear Solid 4''; it seems the destruction of Lower Manhattan took the place of the (comparatively smaller) destruction of the Twin Towers.World Trade Center. It also leads to a dramatic rise in private military contracting and [[TheWarOnTerror increased turmoil in the Middle East]]. \n*** Sidebar: In Furthermore, in [[http://metalgear.wikia.com/wiki/Arsenal_Gear#The_Manhattan_Incident Kojima's unedited version]], the WTC is about the only New York landmark that ''doesn't'' get destroyed. Click it and cringe.



*** A minor point, but the worry in the game is that the chemicals used to clean up the oil spill would contaminate the coastline. The spill itself has already happened with the sinking of the Tanker.

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*** ** A minor point, but the worry in the game is that the chemicals used to clean up the oil spill would contaminate the coastline. The spill itself has already happened with the sinking of the Tanker.



** [[spoiler: The Patriots AI]]'s speech at the end of the game is viewed as an eerily accurate prediction of the state of American politics and online communities in TheNewTens, notably the extreme polarization and self-enclosure into echo chambers.

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** [[spoiler: The Patriots AI]]'s speech at the end of the game is viewed as an eerily accurate prediction of the state of American politics and online communities in TheNewTens, notably the extreme polarization and self-enclosure into echo chambers.chambers:



** The Patriots' plan of controlling the flow of digital information to block out things they don't approve of lines up shockingly well with Konami's treatment of Kojima in 2015.
** Even more so is that [[NoFairCheating the game mocks you if you input the Konami code anywhere in a terminal]]--which becomes quite the future shock with the events transpiring the two above.

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** The Patriots' plan of controlling the flow of digital information to block out things they don't approve of lines up shockingly well with Konami's treatment of Kojima in 2015.
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2015. Even more so is that [[NoFairCheating the game mocks you if you input the Konami code Code anywhere in a terminal]]--which becomes quite the future shock with the events transpiring the two above.



** Also, Raiden recalling that [[spoiler:he never actually met the Colonel even once]] will sound pretty funny after ''Metal Gear Solid 3'', where Raiden's {{expy}} in that game, Major Ivan Raidenovitch Raikov, definitely knows a colonel.

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** Also, Raiden recalling that [[spoiler:he never actually met the Colonel even once]] will sound pretty funny after ''Metal Gear Solid 3'', where Raiden's {{expy}} in that game, Major Ivan Raidenovitch Raikov, definitely knows a colonel.



** By the time of the release of the PC port of the game, around 2003, two years after the game first came out for the [=PS2=], reviews of the game had already abandoned trying to keep the game's DecoyProtagonist a secret. That, and everyone knows that the game's ending is, err... rather ''demanding'' of the player.
*** And even before that, the long delay of the game's release in Europe saw the video game press just come out & reveal the switch between Snake & Raiden rather than try & keep the twist a secret whilst it was being discussed on the internet.
** Raiden is actually depicted front and center on the ''Substance'' box art.

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** By the time of the release of the PC port of the game, around 2003, two years after the game first came out for the [=PS2=], reviews of the game had already abandoned trying to keep the game's DecoyProtagonist a secret. That, and everyone knows that the game's ending is, err... is rather ''demanding'' of the player.
*** And even before that, the
player.
** The
long delay of the game's release in Europe saw the video game press just come out & and reveal the switch between Snake & and Raiden rather than try & and keep the twist a secret whilst it was being discussed on the internet.
** Raiden is actually depicted front and center on the ''Substance'' box art.
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** "I NEED SCISSORS! 61!", Raiden [[{{Narm}} "MANAGING TO AVOID DROWNING."]]
** And to a lesser extent, the way Stillman "KILLED HIS SOUL!" and has to "DEFUSE HIS SINS!"

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** "I NEED SCISSORS! 61!", 61!"
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Raiden [[{{Narm}} "MANAGING TO AVOID DROWNING."]]
** And to a lesser extent, the The way Stillman "KILLED HIS SOUL!" and has to "DEFUSE HIS SINS!"



** On a more serious note, this game has been actually used to teach Meme Theory.

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** On a more serious note, this This game has been actually used to teach Meme Theory.



** Especially consider the meaning behind the words FissionMailed, along with "Emit" and "Continent" - all those words carry an ominous meaning toward the villains' next move...



* RomanticPlotTumor: Rose. Her script IS important for the player to learn of Raiden's character beyond "video game player in deep shit" and adds some humanity to Raiden. Unfortunately, the timing of her scripts cannot be any worse if they tried. This is mainly because Rose will ask Raiden about the date April 30 and talk about their relationship at the most inopportune times.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: Rose. Her script IS conversations ''are'' important for the player to learn of her and Raiden's character beyond "video game player in deep shit" and adds some humanity to Raiden. characters. Unfortunately, the timing of her scripts these conversations cannot be any worse if they tried. This is mainly because Rose will ask Raiden about the date April 30 and talk about their relationship at the most inopportune times.



* ThatOneBoss: Fighting the Metal Gear [=RAYs=] on Arsenal Gear. On Easy mode, you only have to fight around 3, the pattern is pretty easy, and there are rations in the middle of the floor. How many do you fight on Exterme mode? [[HarderThanHard 20]].

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* ThatOneBoss: ThatOneBoss:
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Fighting the Metal Gear [=RAYs=] on Arsenal Gear. On Easy mode, you only have to fight around 3, the pattern is pretty easy, and there are rations in the middle of the floor. How many do you fight on Exterme mode? [[HarderThanHard 20]].



* TheUntwist: Iroquois Pliskin is actually [[spoiler:Solid Snake]]. Word has it they made it as blatantly obvious as possible just to see if anyone would fall for it anyway.
** Interestingly enough, the concept art for Pliskin shows him with blonde hair, something that would have made him look very unlike how [[spoiler:Solid Snake]] normally appears. This was, indeed, the reason why they made him a brunette in the first place: he looked [[spoiler:too unlike Snake for it to work]], despite how the first game implied that [[spoiler:Snake is a natural blonde himself.]]

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* TheUntwist: Iroquois Pliskin is actually [[spoiler:Solid Snake]]. Word has it they made it as blatantly obvious as possible just to see if anyone would fall for it anyway.
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anyway. Interestingly enough, the concept art for Pliskin shows him with blonde hair, something that would have made him look very unlike how [[spoiler:Solid Snake]] normally appears. This was, indeed, the reason why they made him a brunette in the first place: he looked [[spoiler:too unlike Snake for it to work]], despite how the first game implied that [[spoiler:Snake is a natural blonde himself.]]
27th Dec '16 12:45:34 PM M3
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* RomanticPlotTumor: Rose. This is mainly because Rose will ask Raiden about the date April 30 and talk about their relationship at the most inopportune times.

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* RomanticPlotTumor: Rose. Her script IS important for the player to learn of Raiden's character beyond "video game player in deep shit" and adds some humanity to Raiden. Unfortunately, the timing of her scripts cannot be any worse if they tried. This is mainly because Rose will ask Raiden about the date April 30 and talk about their relationship at the most inopportune times.
27th Dec '16 12:41:51 PM M3
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** Solidus on top of Federal Hall counts for one and only one reason; you probably still haven't had much time to really master using your sword; and your final boss battle is nothing but a sword fight. Akin to taking a test for the finals you haven't even studied for.
20th Dec '16 5:36:05 AM PF
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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: Emma Emmerich, see below. Raiden too. This is subverted because he is loved by fans now, but back then, this trope applied to him.]]

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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: Emma Emmerich, see below. Raiden too. This is subverted because he is loved by fans now, but back then, this trope applied to him.]]



** Snakes tirade against VR training when he meets Raiden is funnier now that VR games have started becoming popular. Even better, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NND7Hk5fYdI the US armed forces have started experimenting with training soldiers using VR technology.]]

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** Snakes Snake's tirade against VR training when he meets Raiden is funnier now that VR games have started becoming popular. Even better, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NND7Hk5fYdI the US armed forces U.S. Armed Forces have started experimenting with training soldiers using VR technology.]]
26th Nov '16 2:09:23 AM NexAngelus405
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** Snakes tirade against VR training when he meets Raiden is funnier now that VR games have started becoming popular. Even better, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NND7Hk5fYdI the US armed forces have started experimenting with training soldiers using VR technology.]]
--> "A virtual grunt of the digital age. That's just great."
17th Nov '16 4:10:31 PM easytorememberhandle
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** The President grabbing Raiden by the crotch is uncannily like some of the weirder stuff Donald Trump was accused of during his own successful presidential campaign.
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