History YMMV / MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty

25th Jan '18 5:39:01 AM PF
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* ValuesDissonance: Part of the reason for Raiden's lukewarm reception in the West. In Japan, there isn't nearly as much stigma against [[{{Bishonen}} men with feminine features]], and it's actually very traditional to cast them in heroic roles. This also counts in the west as of the end of the 00s, when the EmoTeen trend died out, and its feminine aspects got rolled into mainstream fashion.

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* ValuesDissonance: Part of the reason for Raiden's lukewarm reception in the West. In Japan, there isn't nearly as much stigma against [[{{Bishonen}} men with feminine features]], and it's actually very traditional to cast them in heroic roles. This also counts in the west as of the end of the 00s, when the EmoTeen trend died out, and its feminine aspects got rolled into mainstream fashion.



** Likewise, Rose won't shut up about her relationship problems, even in places where she knows Raiden is in mortal danger.

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** Likewise, Rose won't shut up about her relationship problems, even in places where she knows Raiden is in mortal danger.
28th Dec '17 12:35:00 PM lilithmercy
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* ValuesDissonance: Part of the reason for Raiden's lukewarm reception in the West. In Japan, there isn't nearly as much stigma against [[{{Bishonen}} men with feminine features]], and it's actually very traditional to cast them in heroic roles.

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* ValuesDissonance: Part of the reason for Raiden's lukewarm reception in the West. In Japan, there isn't nearly as much stigma against [[{{Bishonen}} men with feminine features]], and it's actually very traditional to cast them in heroic roles. This also counts in the west as of the end of the 00s, when the EmoTeen trend died out, and its feminine aspects got rolled into mainstream fashion.
24th Nov '17 9:37:37 AM nombretomado
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** The game was written in 1999. Featuring an extremely militaristic older president named George. It even throws [[ConspiracyTheory conspiracy theorists]] a bone, seeing as he actually ''did'' attack Manhattan.

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** The game was written in 1999. Featuring an extremely militaristic older president named George. It even throws [[ConspiracyTheory [[UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories conspiracy theorists]] a bone, seeing as he actually ''did'' attack Manhattan.
19th Nov '17 7:00:59 PM chuggaafan1
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** While [[spoiler:the Colonel's AI is malfunctioning]], he may have this to day
--> "[[{{VideoGame/Undertale}} Don't you have anything better to do]] with your time?"
18th Nov '17 7:27:01 AM KJShea
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** OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Liquid Ocelot]] only appears once every chapter, but he owns every scene he's in.

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** * OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Liquid Ocelot]] only appears once every chapter, but he owns every scene he's in.
25th Oct '17 3:43:42 PM numbersix1979
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** Speaking of politics: in 2001, it was incredibly far-flung speculating (bordering on tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorizing) to suggest that it was realistic that a shadowy, omniscient cabal of post-nationalist boogeymen could manipulate information on the Internet to control geopolitics at such a massive scale as rigging a Presidential election and making the sitting President a stooge for their interests instead of the people of America's interests. Come the 2016 election, this is a topic that's on the tongue of Americans pretty much every day. Note also the existential horror the game rings out of the loss and theft of personal identity: Raiden's identity is stolen out from under him, Solidus steals Snake's identity, etc. This was at a time when Internet-enhanced identity theft and fraud was just beginning to become a Big Deal for people outside the tech industry, since most people's personal information was not on the Internet yet. These days, massive personal data breaches happen every few months or so, forcing everyone to wonder about whether we've let the proliferation of personal information hitting the Internet get out of hand.
3rd Oct '17 6:12:37 PM Brandon
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** A running joke amongst fans is to add [[WelcomeToCorneria "Definitely not!"]] at the end of Raiden's dialogue.
23rd Sep '17 2:50:08 AM Sanokal
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** OneSceneWonder: [[spoiler:Liquid Ocelot]] only appears once every chapter, but he owns every scene he's in.



** Fortune, even in-universe Ocelot notes that she "couldn't get enough of the drama" and was "absorbed" in her own "misfortune".

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** Fortune, Fortune seems to be a deliberate example, since even in-universe Ocelot notes that she "couldn't get enough of the drama" and was "absorbed" in her own "misfortune".
22nd Sep '17 12:08:47 PM ArgonianLorekeeper
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Vamp. A DepravedBisexual KnifeNut [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vampire]] [[TheWoobie with a tragic past]], [[HoYay a penchant for getting up close and personal with the resident]] {{Bishonen}} and [[MrFanservice dark hair, a seductive voice and a agile-muscular build]]. [[SarcasmMode I'm sure the fandom hated him after he crossed the]] MoralEventHorizon.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Vamp. A DepravedBisexual KnifeNut [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Vampire]] [[TheWoobie with a tragic past]], [[HoYay a penchant for getting up close and personal with the resident]] {{Bishonen}} and [[MrFanservice dark hair, a seductive voice and a agile-muscular build]]. [[SarcasmMode I'm sure Not even his crossing of the MoralEventHorizon caused the fandom hated him after he crossed the]] MoralEventHorizon.to hate him.
5th Sep '17 5:08:32 PM Sanokal
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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: Emma Emmerich, see below. Raiden too. This is subverted because he is loved by fans now, but back then, this applied to him.]]

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* AlasPoorScrappy: [[spoiler: Emma Emmerich, AlasPoorScrappy:
** [[spoiler:Emma Emmerich]],
see below. Raiden below.
** [[spoiler:Raiden
too. This is subverted because he is loved by fans now, but back then, this applied to him.]]



* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Colonel, [[spoiler:who is actually a AI replica]], is one of the more fondly remembered characters of the game, to the point of being referenced in future games, and even eclipsing the popularity of [[spoiler: the real Roy Campbell]]. He's such a whacko, a scoundrel, and a creep that you can't help but love him:

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: The Colonel, [[spoiler:who is actually a AI replica]], is one of the more fondly remembered characters of the game, to the point of being referenced in future games, and even eclipsing the popularity of [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the real Roy Campbell]]. He's such a whacko, a scoundrel, and a creep that you can't help but love him:



** The premise of the game being a computer program with implied sentience manipulating all of humanity and causing a lot of atrocious deaths via a terrorist group all for an "experiment," and that program being voiced by Creator/PaulEiding, gets ''very'' interesting when ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'' does something ''very'' similar for its plot.

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** The premise of the game being a computer program with implied sentience manipulating all of humanity and causing a lot of atrocious deaths via a terrorist group all for an "experiment," and that program being voiced by Creator/PaulEiding, gets ''very'' interesting when ''VideoGame/DirgeOfCerberus'' does did something ''very'' similar for its plot.



* ThatOneAttack:
** Vamp's shadow hypnosis, which freezes you in place, thus leaving you helpless to defend against a nasty hit from Vamp unless you happened to toss an explosive first. Thankfully, you can shoot out the lights to prevent him from using it.
** The knee missiles of the Metal Gear [=RAYs=], used when they get up close and personal. If you're unlucky enough for them to be fired just as you try to fire a Stinger missile, say goodbye to a good chunk of your health.



* {{Wangst}}: Fortune, even in-universe Ocelot notes that she "couldn't get enough of the drama" and was "absorbed" in her own "misfortune". Likewise, Rose won't shut up about her relationship problems, even in places where she knows Raiden is in mortal danger.

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* {{Wangst}}: {{Wangst}}:
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Fortune, even in-universe Ocelot notes that she "couldn't get enough of the drama" and was "absorbed" in her own "misfortune". "misfortune".
**
Likewise, Rose won't shut up about her relationship problems, even in places where she knows Raiden is in mortal danger.
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