History YMMV / MetalGearSolid

19th Jul '16 8:50:08 PM WaxingName
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* BrokenBase: Worthy and improved remake or insult to a masterpiece? Its exclusion from the ''HD Collection'' caused these debates to flare up again over whether Kojima was in the right or not to exclude at least ''some iteration'' of the original game (though the [=PS3=]-exclusive ''Legacy Collection'' did soften the blow quite a bit).

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* BrokenBase: Worthy and improved remake or insult to a masterpiece? Its exclusion from the ''HD Collection'' caused these debates to flare up again over whether Kojima was in the right or not to exclude at least ''some iteration'' of the original game (though the [=PS3=]-exclusive ''Legacy Collection'' did soften Collection'', which included the blow quite a bit).original, quieted the debate some).
3rd Jul '16 1:00:30 AM DeadlyAssassin
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3rd Jul '16 12:58:01 AM DeadlyAssassin
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* VillainSue: Simply put, Liquid survives, time after time things he damn well shouldn't. Getting shot up 3 times with military-grade rounds at point blank, his copter getting shot down, presumably destroyed along with Metal Gear REX, somehow escaping the island after it was being nuked with no explanation, and having a final chase at the very end, exchanging bullets and ramming into each others vehicles, presumably expiring after the injected virus that's engineered to kill him from his specific dna pattern finally gets to him. And not even then.
30th Jun '16 6:35:45 AM PF
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** Also, Liquid desired to murder Big Boss in revenge for either allegedly being knowingly given the inferior genes by Big Boss or being told by Big Boss repeatedly that he was inferior, and hated Snake partially for stealing that chance. Liquid Snake's voice actor, Creator/CamClarke, later voices [[Disney/TheLionKing a character]] who attempts to avenge his father after discovering that he was murdered by his uncle in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''.

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** Also, Liquid desired to murder Big Boss in revenge for either allegedly being knowingly given the inferior genes by Big Boss or being told by Big Boss repeatedly that he was inferior, and hated Snake partially for stealing that chance. Liquid Snake's Liquid's voice actor, Creator/CamClarke, later voices [[Disney/TheLionKing a character]] who attempts to avenge his father after discovering that he was murdered by his uncle in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''.
23rd Jun '16 9:57:40 AM Hoven
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** Solid Snake and Liquid Snake [[spoiler:are clones of Big Boss]].
** The Cyborg Ninja is [[spoiler:Gray Fox]].
** Surprisingly subverted with [[spoiler: the Master Miller/Liquid Snake twist.]] Despite the twist being relatively well known, it's still a well-kept secret to newbies to the franchise.

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** Solid Snake and Liquid Snake [[spoiler:are are clones of Big Boss]].
Boss.
** The Cyborg Ninja is [[spoiler:Gray Fox]].
Gray Fox.
** Surprisingly subverted with [[spoiler: the Master Miller/Liquid Snake twist.]] twist. Despite the twist being relatively well known, it's still a well-kept secret to newbies to the franchise.
11th Jun '16 11:18:56 AM ryanruff13
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* {{Narm}}: Just about every cutscene has at least a few moments like this. Repetitive, heavy-handed dialogue with clunky exposition? Check. Villains so over the top and gimmicky with various violent fetishes that have little chance of being taken seriously? Check. Said villains having melodramatic death scenes that stretch on for at least over 5 minutes just to explain their tragic backstoris? Again, check. All topped off with some of the most ridiculously [[AuthorTract unsubtle and long-winded speeches]] in a game even by today's standards. Amazingly, all this would only [[SerialEscalation escalate even further]] in [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty future]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots installments.]]
* NarmCharm: The over-the-top action scenes in ''The Twin Snakes'' go around from being unintentionally hilarious to absurdly awesome. ''The Twin Snakes'' may have taken this to the logical extreme, but the original ''Metal Gear Solid'' wasn't far behind in this regard.

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* {{Narm}}: NarmCharm:
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Just about every cutscene has at least a few moments like this. Repetitive, heavy-handed dialogue with clunky exposition? Check. Villains so over the top and gimmicky with various violent fetishes that have little chance of being taken seriously? Check. Said villains having melodramatic death scenes that stretch on for at least over 5 minutes just to explain their tragic backstoris? backstories? Again, check. All topped off with some of the most ridiculously [[AuthorTract unsubtle and long-winded speeches]] in a game even by today's standards. Amazingly, Whether or not all of these are flat-out {{Narm}} or contribute to the charm and the cheesiness of the series is up to you. In either case, all of this would only become a part of and [[SerialEscalation escalate even further]] in [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid2SonsOfLiberty future]] [[VideoGame/MetalGearSolid4GunsOfThePatriots installments.]]
* NarmCharm: ** The over-the-top action scenes in ''The Twin Snakes'' go around from being unintentionally hilarious to absurdly awesome. ''The Twin Snakes'' may have taken this to the logical extreme, but the original ''Metal Gear Solid'' wasn't far behind in this regard.
29th May '16 10:27:40 AM nombretomado
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** In the Spanish dub of the original PS1 game ([[SuperlativeDubbing considered one of the best dubs ever made for a video game in Spain]]), translated Snake's "What the...!" into "¡Pero qué coño...!" ("[[PrecisionFStrike What the fuck...?!]]"). Thanks to the performance of Alfonso Vallés (Snake's Spaniard voice actor), the phrase got full blown MemeticMutation status among Spaniard gamers, which it maintains even up to this day.

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** In the Spanish dub of the original PS1 [=PS1=] game ([[SuperlativeDubbing considered one of the best dubs ever made for a video game in Spain]]), translated Snake's "What the...!" into "¡Pero qué coño...!" ("[[PrecisionFStrike What the fuck...?!]]"). Thanks to the performance of Alfonso Vallés (Snake's Spaniard voice actor), the phrase got full blown MemeticMutation status among Spaniard gamers, which it maintains even up to this day.
8th Apr '16 6:16:40 AM PF
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* VillainSue: Simply put, Liquid survives, time after time things he damn well shouldn't. Getting shot up 3 times with military-grade rounds at point blank, his copter getting shot down, presumably destroyed along with Metal Gear Rex, somehow escaping the island after it was being nuked with no explanation, and having a final chase at the very end, exchanging bullets and ramming into each others vehicles, presumably expiring after the injected virus that's engineered to kill him from his specific dna pattern finally gets to him. And not even then.

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* VillainSue: Simply put, Liquid survives, time after time things he damn well shouldn't. Getting shot up 3 times with military-grade rounds at point blank, his copter getting shot down, presumably destroyed along with Metal Gear Rex, REX, somehow escaping the island after it was being nuked with no explanation, and having a final chase at the very end, exchanging bullets and ramming into each others vehicles, presumably expiring after the injected virus that's engineered to kill him from his specific dna pattern finally gets to him. And not even then.



** Same applies to the redone voice acting. A major point of contention were the removal of Mei Ling's Chinese accent and Naomi's British accent, which fans of the [=PS1=] original thought made them really stand out and either sound cuter (Mei Ling) or sexier (Naomi). Retconning the accents was intentional though as the characters' backstories made their original accents moot (as the former was born in America, while the latter was raised in America since her childhood). When ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' later made the American accents canon, [[NostalgiaFilter PS1 purists either blamed the remake for "ruining" Mei Ling and Naomi]], or just went ahead and reluctantly accepted the new canon accents.

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** Same applies to the The redone voice acting. A major point of contention were the removal of Mei Ling's Chinese accent and Naomi's British accent, which fans of the [=PS1=] original thought made them really stand out and either sound cuter (Mei Ling) or sexier (Naomi). Retconning the accents was intentional though as the characters' backstories made their original accents moot (as moot.[[note]]]As the former was born in America, while the latter was had been raised in America since her childhood). childhood.[[/note]] When ''Metal Gear Solid 4'' later made the American accents canon, [[NostalgiaFilter PS1 purists either blamed the remake for "ruining" Mei Ling and Naomi]], or just went ahead and reluctantly accepted the new canon accents.
8th Dec '15 1:07:14 PM LuckBeRo
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* BrokenAesop: The game explicitly delivers its "don't let yourself be ruled by your genes" message during a nice long shot of [[spoiler:Liquid Snake's]] corpse, who was killed by a "smart" virus that targets people based on their DNA.
24th Nov '15 6:28:27 AM PF
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** Sniper Wolf orders Otacon to be "Quiet!" before [[spoiler: her final fight with Snake after Otacon begs them to not fight through Codec]]. Then VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain arrives, and there is a female sniper codenamed "Quiet", who can also be given the exact same attire Sniper Wolf wears in battle.

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** Sniper Wolf orders Otacon to be "Quiet!" before [[spoiler: her final fight with Snake after Otacon begs them to not fight through Codec]]. Then VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain ''VideoGame/MetalGearSolidVThePhantomPain'' arrives, and there is a female sniper codenamed "Quiet", who can also be given the exact same attire Sniper Wolf wears in battle.



* BetterThanCanon: The re-dubbed script has some improvements. Snake is more expressive and dialed down some of the gruffness as with later games, Mei Ling's somewhat forced accent is removed and she sounds much more natural and youthful, Grey Fox voiced by ''Creator/RobPaulson'' is more menacing lacking the raspy voice, and most characters sound more professional in the intervening years since the original.

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* BetterThanCanon: The re-dubbed script has some improvements. Snake is more expressive and dialed down some of the gruffness as with later games, Mei Ling's somewhat forced accent is removed and she sounds much more natural and youthful, Grey Gray Fox voiced by ''Creator/RobPaulson'' ''Creator/RobPaulsen'' is more menacing lacking the raspy voice, and most characters sound more professional in the intervening years since the original.
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