History YMMV / MemoirsOfAGeisha

3rd May '17 12:38:37 PM Noraneko
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* BestKnownForTheirFanservice: The mizuage scene was so controversial that it's probably the best-known moment of the film (and thus what makes casual observers remember most about geisha, much to the chagrin of real geisha).

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* BestKnownForTheirFanservice: BestKnownForTheFanservice: The mizuage scene was so controversial that it's probably the best-known moment of the film (and thus what makes casual observers remember most about geisha, much to the chagrin of real geisha).
3rd May '17 12:38:22 PM Noraneko
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* BestKnownForTheirFanservice: The mizuage scene was so controversial that it's probably the best-known moment of the film (and thus what makes casual observers remember most about geisha, much to the chagrin of real geisha).
10th Apr '17 3:16:06 AM sayaleviathan
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* BrokenBase: The casting of the three Chinese actresses (though Creator/MichelleYeoh is Malaysian with Chinese descent) as Japanese characters sparked furor among the Chinese and Japanese audiences. While the Japanese are upset that no Japanese actress got any of the main roles, the Chinese were very hostile about it which doesn't help that the fragile historical relationship between the two countries since UsefulNotes/WorldWarII which the movie is set in only fanned more flames. However, several people such as Ken Watanabe defended the cast, citing the actresses' performances was the reason for the casting.
26th Feb '17 12:08:18 PM jeffreyloonychen
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Hatsumomo and Pumpkin gets this treatment from some viewers. For Pumpkin, also see UnintentionallySympathetic below.

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Hatsumomo and Pumpkin gets this treatment from some viewers. viewers, similar thing can be said for Nobu. For Pumpkin, Pumpkin and Nobu, also see UnintentionallySympathetic below.
26th Feb '17 12:06:23 PM jeffreyloonychen
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Aside from being enemies of Sayuri, Hatsumomo and Pumpkin earned this kind of attention from the movie's audience.


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* RootingForTheEmpire: Hatsumomo and Pumpkin gets this treatment from some viewers. For Pumpkin, also see UnintentionallySympathetic below.
31st Mar '15 8:18:36 PM jeffreyloonychen
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* JerkassWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.



* TheWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.
** Chiyo, at least until Mameha decides to take her on.

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* TheWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.
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Chiyo, at least until Mameha decides to take her on.
12th Jan '15 10:59:31 AM Larkmarn
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]]
** A common criticism of the film is that Chinese actresses are used in a movie that portrays a facet of traditional Japanese life, thereby implying that the two races are interchangeable to Hollywood. As a rebuttal to this, it's been pointed out that Zhang Ziyi had already been in Japanese roles long before the film, and in Asian cinema, no less.
** Though [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement it's best not to go into detail with the book's flaws]], Mineko Iwasaki's biggest beef with the novel was that Golden spent more time discussing sex than he did about a geiko's true role (preserving art and culture). In her autobiography, however, she does acknowledge that the ''mizuage'' existed, but existed within the realm of ''oiran'' (high-class prostitutes) and not with legitimate geiko life.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: UnintentionallySympathetic:
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Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]]
** A common criticism of the film is that Chinese actresses are used in a movie that portrays a facet of traditional Japanese life, thereby implying that the two races are interchangeable to Hollywood. As a rebuttal to this, it's been pointed out that Zhang Ziyi had already been in Japanese roles long before the film, and in Asian cinema, no less.
** Though [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement it's best not to go into detail with the book's flaws]], Mineko Iwasaki's biggest beef with the novel was that Golden spent more time discussing sex than he did about a geiko's true role (preserving art and culture). In her autobiography, however, she does acknowledge that the ''mizuage'' existed, but existed within the realm of ''oiran'' (high-class prostitutes) and not with legitimate geiko life.
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10th Dec '14 6:39:14 PM StormRequiem
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** Similarly to the Pumpkin situation, Nobu's reaction to Sayuri could be seen as extreme, but she did make him believe she loved him, under instruction from Mameha, so his feelings of betrayal when she and the Chairman get together is pretty justified, especially as the Chairman pretty much orchestrated the whole thing.
25th May '14 6:32:44 PM Noraneko
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%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]]
* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.

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%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]]
* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]]
** A common criticism of the film is that Chinese actresses are used in a movie that portrays a facet of traditional Japanese life, thereby implying that the two races are interchangeable to Hollywood. As a rebuttal to this, it's been pointed out that Zhang Ziyi had already been in Japanese roles long before the film, and in Asian cinema, no less.
** Though [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement it's best not to go into detail with the book's flaws]], Mineko Iwasaki's biggest beef with the novel was that Golden spent more time discussing sex than he did about a geiko's true role (preserving art and culture). In her autobiography, however, she does acknowledge that the ''mizuage'' existed, but existed within the realm of ''oiran'' (high-class prostitutes) and not with legitimate geiko life.
23rd May '14 12:16:43 AM Scabbard
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Undr those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.

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* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Undr Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.
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