History YMMV / MemoirsOfAGeisha

31st Mar '15 8:18:36 PM jeffreyloonychen
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Pumpkin later betrays Sayuri out of inconsiderate and vindictive revenge, so she would qualify as a Jerkass Woobie.
* JerkassWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.

* TheWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall. ** Chiyo, at least until Mameha decides to take her on.
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* TheWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall. ** Chiyo, at least until Mameha decides to take her on.
12th Jan '15 10:59:31 AM Larkmarn
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Jerkass Has A Point isn't YMMV. And the other two deleted items don't really fit it or the YMMV Unintentionally Sympathetic.
* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]] ** A common criticism of the film is that Chinese actresses are used in a movie that portrays a facet of traditional Japanese life, thereby implying that the two races are interchangeable to Hollywood. As a rebuttal to this, it's been pointed out that Zhang Ziyi had already been in Japanese roles long before the film, and in Asian cinema, no less. ** Though [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement it's best not to go into detail with the book's flaws]], Mineko Iwasaki's biggest beef with the novel was that Golden spent more time discussing sex than he did about a geiko's true role (preserving art and culture). In her autobiography, however, she does acknowledge that the ''mizuage'' existed, but existed within the realm of ''oiran'' (high-class prostitutes) and not with legitimate geiko life.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: UnintentionallySympathetic: ** Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]] ** A common criticism of the film is that Chinese actresses are used in a movie that portrays a facet of traditional Japanese life, thereby implying that the two races are interchangeable to Hollywood. As a rebuttal to this, it's been pointed out that Zhang Ziyi had already been in Japanese roles long before the film, and in Asian cinema, no less. ** Though [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement it's best not to go into detail with the book's flaws]], Mineko Iwasaki's biggest beef with the novel was that Golden spent more time discussing sex than he did about a geiko's true role (preserving art and culture). In her autobiography, however, she does acknowledge that the ''mizuage'' existed, but existed within the realm of ''oiran'' (high-class prostitutes) and not with legitimate geiko life.]]
10th Dec '14 6:39:14 PM StormRequiem
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Added DiffLines:
** Similarly to the Pumpkin situation, Nobu's reaction to Sayuri could be seen as extreme, but she did make him believe she loved him, under instruction from Mameha, so his feelings of betrayal when she and the Chairman get together is pretty justified, especially as the Chairman pretty much orchestrated the whole thing.
25th May '14 6:32:44 PM Noraneko
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%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]] * JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.
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%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]] * JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.%%* UnfortunateImplications: ''Several.'' Let's just say that Arthur Golden didn't do much research on several fronts [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement and leave it at that.]] ** A common criticism of the film is that Chinese actresses are used in a movie that portrays a facet of traditional Japanese life, thereby implying that the two races are interchangeable to Hollywood. As a rebuttal to this, it's been pointed out that Zhang Ziyi had already been in Japanese roles long before the film, and in Asian cinema, no less. ** Though [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement it's best not to go into detail with the book's flaws]], Mineko Iwasaki's biggest beef with the novel was that Golden spent more time discussing sex than he did about a geiko's true role (preserving art and culture). In her autobiography, however, she does acknowledge that the ''mizuage'' existed, but existed within the realm of ''oiran'' (high-class prostitutes) and not with legitimate geiko life.
23rd May '14 12:16:43 AM Scabbard
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Undr those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Undr Under those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life.
13th Mar '14 5:34:20 PM Aiguille
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* AwesomeMusic: Creator/StevenSpielberg was aiming to direct the movie; [[{{Chicago}} Rob Marshall]] ultimately did so, but Spielberg remained on board as one of the producers - and his regular composer JohnWilliams rose to the occasion.
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* AwesomeMusic: Creator/StevenSpielberg was aiming to direct the movie; [[{{Chicago}} [[Film/{{Chicago}} Rob Marshall]] ultimately did so, but Spielberg remained on board as one of the producers - and his regular composer JohnWilliams rose to the occasion.
28th Feb '14 9:22:29 AM Ecclytennysmithylove
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Crowning Moment of Heartwarming
* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: ZhangZiyi (who plays Sayuri) received a package with a kimono and a letter, sent by a woman who was once a geisha. She hoped that the movie would remind her of the fun times she used to have. Zhang Ziyi was so moved that she invited the woman to the premiere of the movie.
20th Feb '14 2:13:11 AM m8e
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* AwesomeMusic: StevenSpielberg was aiming to direct the movie; [[{{Chicago}} Rob Marshall]] ultimately did so, but Spielberg remained on board as one of the producers - and his regular composer JohnWilliams rose to the occasion.
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* AwesomeMusic: StevenSpielberg Creator/StevenSpielberg was aiming to direct the movie; [[{{Chicago}} Rob Marshall]] ultimately did so, but Spielberg remained on board as one of the producers - and his regular composer JohnWilliams rose to the occasion.
13th Feb '14 5:17:56 PM StormRequiem
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* TheWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.
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* JerkassHasAPoint: Pumpkin's revenge against Sayuri is meant to be a major KickTheDog, but as she points out to Sayuri, Sayuri took Pumpkin's life goal of becoming officially adopted by the okiya and becoming one of the most successful geisha in Gion, and she ''didn't really even want that''; it was all just "a stepping stone" to get to the Chairman. Undr those circumstances, it's easy to feel like Pumpkin's revenge was justified, even if Sayuri hadn't ''meant'' to ruin Pumpkin's life. * TheWoobie: Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.downfall. ** Chiyo, at least until Mameha decides to take her on.
19th Dec '13 11:39:37 AM Silverblade2
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* TheWoobie: Arguably Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.
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* TheWoobie: Arguably Pumpkin. Not as ''pretty'' as Sayuri, not as ''talented'' as Sayuri, not as ''smart'' as Sayuri, not as ''lucky'' as Sayuri, and browbeaten by her [[NoHeroToHisValet supposed mentor]] Hatsumomo into the bargain. Oh, and Sayuri is unwittingly responsible for Pumpkin's downfall.
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