History YMMV / MassEffect2

13th Aug '16 10:21:32 AM Forenperser
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* ContestedSequel: Most fans point to ''[=ME2=]'' as the high point of the series, citing its improved combat and streamlined inventory management and its in-depth exploration of individual characters thanks to recruitment and loyalty missions that function as ADayInTheLimelight for individual crew members. There's also a significant faction that prefers the first game for its greater complexity, deeper RPG elements, and greater sense of exploration and scale and considers the second installment to be ''too'' streamlined. These two factions have a tough time reaching common ground.

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* ContestedSequel: Most fans point to ''[=ME2=]'' as the high point of the series, citing its improved combat and streamlined inventory management and its in-depth exploration of individual characters thanks to recruitment and loyalty missions that function as ADayInTheLimelight for individual crew members. There's also a significant faction that prefers the first game for its greater complexity, deeper RPG elements, and greater sense of exploration and scale and considers the second installment to be ''too'' streamlined. Another common point of criticism is that some characters have way less developement and lines than others, and that the main plot got neglected in favor of the Loyalty missions. These two factions have a tough time reaching common ground.
1st Aug '16 7:25:40 AM KingZeal
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Though he had his fans, Jacob was easily the ''least''-popular romance option in ''Videogame/MassEffect2''. The reasons for this varied, but revolved around Jacob's personality and dialogue. Jacob was so laid-back and casual about ''everything'', that some players didn't even ''know'' he was supposed to be a romanceable option; they figured that, like Mordin, he just wouldn't be interested if asked and so didn't even bother. Other fans felt that even when they picked up on the possibility, Jacob was still way too professional and just treated it like no biggie, which turned them off immediately. And lastly, yet another group of fans were utterly turned-off by the fact that, in an earlier dialogue, Jacob admits to having been in a previous relationship with Miranda, but that it ended and she "deserves a better man than I". This pissed off a number of players who [[FridgeLogic realized that]] this meant that not only was he Miranda's "sloppy seconds", but any woman he ended up with would, in his eyes, '''be less deserving a better man than Miranda'''. Any way that you look at the above, it's likely that Bioware really didn't think his romance subplot through.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Though he had his fans, Jacob was easily the ''least''-popular romance option in ''Videogame/MassEffect2''. The reasons for this varied, but revolved around Jacob's personality and dialogue. Jacob was so laid-back and casual about ''everything'', that some players didn't even ''know'' he was supposed to be a romanceable option; they figured that, like Mordin, he just wouldn't be interested if asked and so didn't even bother. Other fans felt that even when they picked up on the possibility, Jacob was still way too professional and just treated it like no biggie, which turned them off immediately. And lastly, yet another group of fans were utterly turned-off by the fact that, in an earlier dialogue, Jacob admits to having been in a previous relationship with Miranda, but that it ended and she "deserves a better man than I". This pissed off a number Due to his [[AngstWhatAngst lack of angst]], he doesn't even care if you try to tell him YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre. Because of this, [=FemShep=] players who [[FridgeLogic realized that]] this meant that not only was he Miranda's "sloppy seconds", but any woman he ended up with would, in his eyes, '''be less deserving a of "a better man man" than Miranda'''. Any way that you look at the above, it's likely that Bioware really didn't think his romance subplot through.
1st Aug '16 7:21:06 AM KingZeal
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Though he had his fans, Jacob was easily the ''least''-popular romance option in ''Videogame/MassEffect2''. The reasons for this varied, but revolved around Jacob's personality and dialogue. Jacob was so laid-back and casual about ''everything'', that some players didn't even ''know'' he was supposed to be a romanceable option; they figured that, like Mordin, he just wouldn't be interested if asked and so didn't even bother. Other fans felt that even when they picked up on the possibility, Jacob was still way too professional and just treated it like it as no biggie, which turned them off immediately. And lastly, yet another group of fans were utterly turned-off by the fact that, in an earlier dialogue, Jacob admits to having been in a previous relationship with Miranda, but that it ended and she "deserves a better man than I". This pissed off a number of players who [[FridgeLogic realized that]] this meant that not only was he Miranda's "sloppy seconds", but any woman he ended up with would, in his eyes, '''be less deserving a better man than Miranda'''. Any way that you look at the above, it's likely that Bioware really didn't think his romance subplot through.

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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Though he had his fans, Jacob was easily the ''least''-popular romance option in ''Videogame/MassEffect2''. The reasons for this varied, but revolved around Jacob's personality and dialogue. Jacob was so laid-back and casual about ''everything'', that some players didn't even ''know'' he was supposed to be a romanceable option; they figured that, like Mordin, he just wouldn't be interested if asked and so didn't even bother. Other fans felt that even when they picked up on the possibility, Jacob was still way too professional and just treated it like it as no biggie, which turned them off immediately. And lastly, yet another group of fans were utterly turned-off by the fact that, in an earlier dialogue, Jacob admits to having been in a previous relationship with Miranda, but that it ended and she "deserves a better man than I". This pissed off a number of players who [[FridgeLogic realized that]] this meant that not only was he Miranda's "sloppy seconds", but any woman he ended up with would, in his eyes, '''be less deserving a better man than Miranda'''. Any way that you look at the above, it's likely that Bioware really didn't think his romance subplot through.
29th Jul '16 1:52:03 PM KingZeal
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Though he had his fans, Jacob was easily the ''least''-popular romance option in ''Videogame/MassEffect2''. The reasons for this varied, but revolved around Jacob's personality and dialogue. Jacob was so laid-back and casual about ''everything'', that some players didn't even ''know'' he was supposed to be a romanceable option; they figured that, like Mordin, he just wouldn't be interested if asked and so didn't even bother. Other fans felt that even when they picked up on the possibility, Jacob was still way too professional and just treated it like it as no biggie, which turned them off immediately. And lastly, yet another group of fans were utterly turned-off by the fact that, in an earlier dialogue, Jacob admits to having been in a previous relationship with Miranda, but that it ended and she "deserves a better man than I". This pissed off a number of players who [[FridgeLogic realized that]] this meant that not only was he Miranda's "sloppy seconds", but any woman he ended up with would, in his eyes, '''be less deserving a better man than Miranda'''. Any way that you look at the above, it's likely that Bioware really didn't think his romance subplot through.
25th Jul '16 9:36:04 AM Forenperser
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Some of the fanbase consider her actions to be ''completely'' the fault of her genetics, which are in turn Samara's fault, and thus ''Samara's'' the monster for hunting down a serial murderer. As awful as her early life may have been, she's spent the subsequent four hundred years developing an addiction to burning out the brains of innocent victims, and there's no reason to believe she'll stop.
** In the third game (provided she survived in ''2''), she sends a series of emails to her sisters showing that she still cares about them and just wants them to be happy, although her sisters delete them without reading them.

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* DracoInLeatherPants: Some of the fanbase consider her actions to be ''completely'' the fault of her genetics, which are in turn Samara's fault, and thus ''Samara's'' the monster for hunting down a serial murderer. As awful as her early life may have been, she's spent the subsequent four hundred years developing an addiction to burning out the brains of innocent victims, and there's no reason to believe she'll stop.
stop, as she get's a thrill out of it.
** In the third game (provided she survived in ''2''), she sends a series of emails to her sisters showing that she still cares about them and just wants them to be happy, although her sisters delete them without reading them. It could also be just another example of her being a ManipulativeBitch.



%%* MemeticMolester

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%%* MemeticMolester* MemeticMolester: Given what she does on-screen, it's quite self-explaining.
24th Jul '16 3:00:51 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker: Whilst possessing her share of fans due to sympathizing with her past and CharacterDevelopment, ''many'' dislike Jack for her overly-brazen tomboyishness. Some guys like that, though...

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Whilst possessing her share of fans due to sympathizing with her past and CharacterDevelopment, ''many'' dislike Jack for her overly-brazen tomboyishness. Some guys like that, though...



* BaseBreaker: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot, while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel sorry for her, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus.]]

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot, while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel sorry for her, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus.]]



* BaseBreaker: Yet another polarizing character, due to her "psychological assessments" being generic with no real insight, her apologist attitude, and her memetic status as a [[MyGirlIsNotASlut complete slut]]. On the other end of the spectrum, some people like her sweetness and her status as Cerberus' TokenGoodTeammate

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Yet another polarizing character, due to her "psychological assessments" being generic with no real insight, her apologist attitude, and her memetic status as a [[MyGirlIsNotASlut complete slut]]. On the other end of the spectrum, some people like her sweetness and her status as Cerberus' TokenGoodTeammate
23rd Jul '16 11:27:51 AM nombretomado
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* HilariousInHindsight: During Kasumi's loyalty mission, she mentions that part of the cover story she put together for Shepard was an article on him/her in ''Badass Weekly''. This reference was part of the reason the author of BadassOfTheWeek wrote [[http://www.badassoftheweek.com/shepard.html an article for Shepard]] after completing the trilogy. In a way, Kasumi ''did'' get that article on Shepard written.
-->'''BadassOfTheWeek Writer''': ''[about the video clip where Kasumi mentions the article]'' Scroll ahead to 0:20 to witness what is either a cruel coincidence or the single greatest moment of my writing career.

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* HilariousInHindsight: During Kasumi's loyalty mission, she mentions that part of the cover story she put together for Shepard was an article on him/her in ''Badass Weekly''. This reference was part of the reason the author of BadassOfTheWeek Website/BadassOfTheWeek wrote [[http://www.badassoftheweek.com/shepard.html an article for Shepard]] after completing the trilogy. In a way, Kasumi ''did'' get that article on Shepard written.
-->'''BadassOfTheWeek -->'''Badass of the Week Writer''': ''[about the video clip where Kasumi mentions the article]'' Scroll ahead to 0:20 to witness what is either a cruel coincidence or the single greatest moment of my writing career.
17th Jul '16 12:16:34 PM nombretomado
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* MemeticBadass: Zaeed has a lot of badassey facts about him, that he's slowly being considered as the metaverse's equivalent to ChuckNorris.

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* MemeticBadass: Zaeed has a lot of badassey facts about him, that he's slowly being considered as the metaverse's equivalent to ChuckNorris.Creator/ChuckNorris.
14th Jul '16 11:01:56 PM Scabbard
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** [[spoiler: Proven to not be the bravest in 3. That trophy is hereby awarded to Rila]]

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** [[spoiler: Proven to not be the bravest in 3. That trophy is hereby awarded to Rila]]Rila]].
14th Jul '16 10:16:13 PM Scabbard
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* TheScrappy: In the second game Jacob got hit with this for being TheGenericGuy in comparison to the more colorful squadmates and for being very opinionated (notably [[KickTheDog towards Thane]].) The third game open an entire different can of worms to players with a Female Shepard who romanced him. He ends up cheating on Shepard and was indifferent about it when confronted.

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* TheScrappy: In the second game Jacob got hit with this for being TheGenericGuy in comparison to the more colorful squadmates and for being very opinionated (notably [[KickTheDog towards Thane]].) Thane]]). The third game open opens an entire different can of worms to players with a Female Shepard who romanced him. He ends up cheating on Shepard and was indifferent about it when confronted.
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