History YMMV / MassEffect2

16th Sep '17 9:50:45 AM gilda4ever
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** For some, the Charm and Intimidate skills being replaced with speech checks tied directly to your Paragon or Renegade score, making it a [[NoPointsForNeutrality bit harder]] to play a character with mixed morality. The [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 next game]] tied speech checks to your combined Paragon and Renegade scores, alleviating this problem.
9th Jul '17 5:19:17 PM Viira
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel a great deal of sympathy for her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor), thinking they help to make her interesting and complex.
** Another camp points out the hypocrisy of this, as the people who bemoan Miranda's blatant fanservice status turn a blind eye to Thane's blatant fanservice status, which he has moreso than Miranda as every aspect of his character from his [[GutturalGrowler voice]] to his [[SympatheticMurderBackstory life]] [[WhenYouComingHomeDad story]] was geared towards fanservice; [[WordOfGod Bioware even outright said Thane's fanservice characterization was intentional]].
* JerkassWoobie: She's tortured over the manner in which she was "created", had to spend her early childhood having to live up to [[AbusiveParents her father's]] crazy high expectations, (and its also heavily implied that he murdered Miranda's older "siblings" for not meeting said expectations) and worst of all, [[spoiler:is incapable of conceiving a child, something she desperately wants (as the Shadow Broker files on her clearly show)]]. Needless to say, when one takes all that into consideration, its easy to see why she can be [[IceQueen so cold and nasty sometimes.]]
** It also makes it unsurprising that either Paragon or Renegade dialogue choices acknowledging her flagellation over not having a single good aspect of hers to take credit for can start a romance with her. Paragon Shepard will compliment her service record, and more pointedly, her body; Renegade Shepard will try to push her buttons further until she claims Shepard himself as an example of her "damned good work".

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel a great deal of sympathy for her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor), thinking they help to make her interesting and complex.
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demeanor). Another camp points out the hypocrisy of this, as the that many people who bemoan Miranda's blatant fanservice status turn a blind eye to Thane's blatant fanservice status, which he has moreso than Miranda as every aspect of his character from his [[GutturalGrowler voice]] to his [[SympatheticMurderBackstory life]] [[WhenYouComingHomeDad story]] was geared towards fanservice; [[WordOfGod Bioware even outright said Thane's fanservice characterization was intentional]].
* JerkassWoobie: She's tortured over the manner in which she was "created", had to spend her early childhood having to live up to [[AbusiveParents her father's]] crazy high expectations, (and its also heavily implied that he murdered Miranda's older "siblings" for not meeting said expectations) and worst of all, [[spoiler:is incapable of conceiving a child, something she desperately wants (as the Shadow Broker files on her clearly show)]]. Needless to say, when one takes all that into consideration, its easy to see why she can be [[IceQueen so cold and nasty sometimes.]]
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]] It also makes it unsurprising that either Paragon or Renegade dialogue choices acknowledging her flagellation over not having a single good aspect of hers to take credit for can start a romance with her. Paragon Shepard will compliment her service record, and more pointedly, her body; Renegade Shepard will try to push her buttons further until she claims Shepard himself as an example of her "damned good work".



* EnsembleDarkhorse: To the degree that some fans wanted him back in ''[=ME3=]'' as a squadmate.
** Most people wanted him as a squadmate as early as in ''[=ME2=]'' after seeing him for the first time in one of the pre-release trailers. Of course, being voiced by Creator/AdamBaldwin doesn't hurt.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: To the degree that some fans wanted him back in ''[=ME3=]'' as a squadmate.
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squadmate. Most people wanted him as a squadmate as early as in ''[=ME2=]'' after seeing him for the first time in one of the pre-release trailers. Of course, being voiced by Creator/AdamBaldwin doesn't hurt.



* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Born with autism, exploited by his own brother, turned into a machine against his will, and insane from the strain of being in charge of a computer network. This guy's life is just one heartbreak after another. Unfortunately, he's incredibly unstable and dangerous, and become so withdrawn and broken he doesn't realize the harm of his actions.]]
** [[spoiler: If you save him in Overlord, he is shown to be doing a lot better during the Grissom Station mission. He even apologises to Shepard and his squad for his actions.]]

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* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Born with autism, exploited by his own brother, turned into a machine against his will, and insane from the strain of being in charge of a computer network. This guy's life is just one heartbreak after another. Unfortunately, he's incredibly unstable and dangerous, and become so withdrawn and broken he doesn't realize the harm of his actions.]]
** [[spoiler: If
Thankfully, if you save him in Overlord, him, he is shown to be doing a lot better during the Grissom Station mission.mission in the third game. He even apologises to Shepard and his squad for his actions.]]
5th Jul '17 1:48:46 PM Zaptech
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** So you convinced that asari on Illium to get back together with her krogan boyfriend, hopefully to get married and have kids and live happily ever after, right? Well, at least until ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where you find out [[spoiler:Charr died on a mission and Ereba will now be left to raise their daughter alone in a galaxy on the dagger's edge of extinction]]. So much for GoodFeelsGood...

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** So you convinced that asari on Illium to get back together with her krogan boyfriend, hopefully to get married and have kids and live happily ever after, right? Well, at least until ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where you find out [[spoiler:Charr died on a mission and Ereba will now be left to raise their daughter alone in a galaxy on the dagger's edge of extinction]].alone]]. So much for GoodFeelsGood...
4th Jul '17 5:07:30 PM MinisterOfSinister
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* HarsherInHindsight: Shepard initially balks at Tali wanting to suppress evidence of her father's experiments on live geth. Tali says that revealing it would mean that her father would be held up as an example of a monster as a cautionary tale. You find [[spoiler: Tali's dad dead and may even comfort her over it]]. Then you get to Project Overlord and see an even worse experiment performed on live geth. Feel like suppressing that evidence now?

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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Shepard initially balks baulks at Tali wanting to suppress evidence of her father's experiments on live geth. Tali says that revealing it would mean that her father would be held up as an example of a monster as a cautionary tale. You find [[spoiler: Tali's dad dead and may even comfort her over it]]. Then you get to Project Overlord and see an even worse experiment performed on live geth. Feel like suppressing that evidence now?now?
** So you convinced that asari on Illium to get back together with her krogan boyfriend, hopefully to get married and have kids and live happily ever after, right? Well, at least until ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where you find out [[spoiler:Charr died on a mission and Ereba will now be left to raise their daughter alone in a galaxy on the dagger's edge of extinction]]. So much for GoodFeelsGood...
23rd Jun '17 10:34:23 AM MinisterOfSinister
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%%* MoralEventHorizon: He's got a few candidates, both in 2 and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope especially in 3.]]

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%%* MoralEventHorizon: He's got a few candidates, both in 2 and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope especially in 3.]]
25th May '17 10:41:36 AM CosmicFerret
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* EvenBetterSequel: This is considered amongst the fandom to be ''TheEmpireStrikesBack'' of the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy. It even ends the same way, with Shepard looking out at the galaxy and the cliffhanger that the Reapers are now ''very'' close. The pack ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'' can be seen as this for the previous DLC packs, which makes it an Even Better Expansion to an EvenBetterSequel.

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* EvenBetterSequel: This is considered amongst the fandom to be ''TheEmpireStrikesBack'' ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' of the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy. It even ends the same way, with Shepard looking out at the galaxy and the cliffhanger that the Reapers are now ''very'' close. The pack ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'' can be seen as this for the previous DLC packs, which makes it an Even Better Expansion to an EvenBetterSequel.
20th Apr '17 7:30:08 AM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: '''QWEEGHPRRZZMZZKKKSKKKTTTPPP!''' Rendered by the subtitles as "Unintelligible", but if you know what it is, it's unsettlingly clear. [[spoiler: "QUIET PLEASE MAKE IT STOP!"]]
** Not only is it a horrific sound in itself, but the volume for it is ''incredibly'' loud. At a normal volume, on a normal TV, the scream is downright earsplitting. If you're wearing headphones or have a surround sound system, it'll blast your brain out of your skull.
28th Mar '17 4:35:54 PM PriceCheck
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* RelationshipWritingFumble: Though he had his fans, Jacob was easily the ''least''-popular romance option in ''Videogame/MassEffect2''. The reasons for this varied, but revolved around Jacob's personality and dialogue. Jacob was so laid-back and casual about ''everything'', that some players didn't even ''know'' he was supposed to be a romanceable option; they figured that, like Mordin, he just wouldn't be interested if asked and so didn't even bother. Other fans felt that even when they picked up on the possibility, Jacob was still way too professional and just treated it like no biggie, which turned them off immediately. And lastly, yet another group of fans were utterly turned-off by the fact that, in an earlier dialogue, Jacob admits to having been in a previous relationship with Miranda, but that it ended and she "deserves a better man than I". Due to his [[AngstWhatAngst lack of angst]], he doesn't even care if you try to tell him YouAreBetterThanYouThinkYouAre. Because of this, [=FemShep=] players [[FridgeLogic realized that]] this meant that not only was he Miranda's "sloppy seconds", but any woman he ended up with would, in his eyes, '''be less deserving of "a better man" than Miranda'''. Any way that you look at the above, it's likely that Bioware really didn't think his romance subplot through.
28th Mar '17 4:28:17 PM PriceCheck
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Whilst possessing her share of fans due to sympathizing with her past and CharacterDevelopment, ''many'' dislike Jack for her overly-brazen tomboyishness. Some guys like that, though...
** And then there are the people who have no problem with overly-brazen tomboyishness, but are extremely put off by her psychopathic, misanthropic, and generally AxCrazy tendencies. Although that might have been okay, if she was at least somewhat ''personable'' about it.
** Quite a number of fans found her too abrasive to spend much time with. She is constantly abusive no matter how nice you are to her, if you turn down the casual sex scene she seems to get even worse and you had better be sure you want to be in a romance with her, if you get fed up with how much of a JerkAss she is (easy to do) you can try and break it off, and the game makes it seem like this is the right option, but then she snaps. High maintenance, severe emotional turmoil and an attitude that'll have you running to the nearest DarkActionGirl for comfort as Jack makes them soft and cuddly in comparison.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Whilst possessing her share of fans due to sympathizing with her past and CharacterDevelopment, ''many'' many others dislike Jack for her overly-brazen tomboyishness. Some guys like that, though...
** And then there are the people who have no problem with overly-brazen tomboyishness, but are extremely put off by her psychopathic, misanthropic,
psychopathic and generally AxCrazy violent tendencies. Although that might have been okay, Often it depends on if she was at least somewhat ''personable'' about it.
** Quite a number of fans found
one takes her too abrasive to spend much time with. She is constantly and sometimes abusive no matter how nice you are to her, if you turn down the casual sex scene she seems to get even worse and you had better be sure you want to be behavior in a romance with her, if you get fed up with how much stride as part of a JerkAss she is (easy to do) you can try and break it off, her character and the game makes it seem like this is story being made (and thus find the right option, but then she snaps. High maintenance, severe moments of vulnerability from her all the more rewarding), or if you take it personally (especially as it's not always clear how to get her to warm up to you). The intensity of her emotional turmoil and an attitude that'll have you running to the nearest DarkActionGirl for comfort as Jack makes them soft and cuddly in comparison.doesn't help.
18th Mar '17 11:15:59 PM Repo
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot, while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel sorry for her, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus.]]

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot, hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel sorry a great deal of sympathy for her, her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus.]]Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor), thinking they help to make her interesting and complex.
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