History YMMV / MassEffect2

9th Jan '18 12:37:21 AM SkidTroper
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel a great deal of sympathy for her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor). Another camp points out that many people who bemoan Miranda's blatant fanservice status turn a blind eye to Thane's blatant fanservice status, which he has moreso than Miranda as every aspect of his character from his [[GutturalGrowler voice]] to his [[SympatheticMurderBackstory life]] [[WhenYouComingHomeDad story]] was geared towards fanservice; [[WordOfGod Bioware even outright said Thane's fanservice characterization was intentional]].

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her.
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Some find her hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. annoying. A third camp pointed out that [[DoubleStandard those who bemoan Miranda's]] MsFanservice [[DoubleStandard status neglect or ignore Thane's]] MrFanservice [[DoubleStandard status]] - [[WordOfGod Bioware outright said ''every aspect of Thane'' was deliberately developed to be fanservice for women]].
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Some feel a great deal of sympathy for her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some arrogant.
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who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor). Another camp points out that many people who bemoan Miranda's blatant fanservice status turn a blind eye to Thane's blatant fanservice status, which he has moreso than Miranda as every aspect of his character from his [[GutturalGrowler voice]] to his [[SympatheticMurderBackstory life]] [[WhenYouComingHomeDad story]] was geared towards fanservice; [[WordOfGod Bioware even outright said Thane's fanservice characterization was intentional]].demeanor).
27th Nov '17 7:13:04 PM nombretomado
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** One of [[spoiler:Legion's]] random comments when hacking geth rocket turrets during their loyalty mission is "Executing sudo command." "Sudo," short for "superuser do," is {{Linux}} syntax that allows an admin to give other users temporary admin privileges. [[StealthPun "Geth do not use windows"]] indeed...

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** One of [[spoiler:Legion's]] random comments when hacking geth rocket turrets during their loyalty mission is "Executing sudo command." "Sudo," short for "superuser do," is {{Linux}} UsefulNotes/{{Linux}} syntax that allows an admin to give other users temporary admin privileges. [[StealthPun "Geth do not use windows"]] indeed...
27th Nov '17 4:04:09 PM nombretomado
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** Does the name of Jacob's father's ship (the ''Hugo Gernsbeck'') sound familiar to you? If you're a sci-fi buff, it should. Hugo Gernsbeck is generally considered the father of modern science fiction and founder of the ''Magazine/AmazingStories'' magazine. It's who the HugoAward is named after. Although considering that the ship named after him is populated in the game by a bunch of self-centered jackasses who routinely perform MindRape on their crew, it's not the ''best'' tribute they could have given the father of modern science fiction...

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** Does the name of Jacob's father's ship (the ''Hugo Gernsbeck'') sound familiar to you? If you're a sci-fi buff, it should. Hugo Gernsbeck is generally considered the father of modern science fiction and founder of the ''Magazine/AmazingStories'' magazine. It's who the HugoAward UsefulNotes/HugoAward is named after. Although considering that the ship named after him is populated in the game by a bunch of self-centered jackasses who routinely perform MindRape on their crew, it's not the ''best'' tribute they could have given the father of modern science fiction...
8th Nov '17 4:23:12 AM kundoo
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is she a JerkassWoobie or simply a {{Jerkass}}? Part of that might depend on whether fans play as female (whom Jack is not as horrid with) or male (who is a BastardGirlfriend) Shepard, and how a romance is handled.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Is she a JerkassWoobie or simply a {{Jerkass}}? Part of that might depend on whether fans play as female (whom Jack is not as horrid with) or male (who (to whom she is a BastardGirlfriend) Shepard, and how a romance is handled.
16th Sep '17 9:50:45 AM gilda4ever
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** For some, the Charm and Intimidate skills being replaced with speech checks tied directly to your Paragon or Renegade score, making it a [[NoPointsForNeutrality bit harder]] to play a character with mixed morality. The [[VideoGame/MassEffect3 next game]] tied speech checks to your combined Paragon and Renegade scores, alleviating this problem.
9th Jul '17 5:19:17 PM Viira
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel a great deal of sympathy for her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor), thinking they help to make her interesting and complex.
** Another camp points out the hypocrisy of this, as the people who bemoan Miranda's blatant fanservice status turn a blind eye to Thane's blatant fanservice status, which he has moreso than Miranda as every aspect of his character from his [[GutturalGrowler voice]] to his [[SympatheticMurderBackstory life]] [[WhenYouComingHomeDad story]] was geared towards fanservice; [[WordOfGod Bioware even outright said Thane's fanservice characterization was intentional]].
* JerkassWoobie: She's tortured over the manner in which she was "created", had to spend her early childhood having to live up to [[AbusiveParents her father's]] crazy high expectations, (and its also heavily implied that he murdered Miranda's older "siblings" for not meeting said expectations) and worst of all, [[spoiler:is incapable of conceiving a child, something she desperately wants (as the Shadow Broker files on her clearly show)]]. Needless to say, when one takes all that into consideration, its easy to see why she can be [[IceQueen so cold and nasty sometimes.]]
** It also makes it unsurprising that either Paragon or Renegade dialogue choices acknowledging her flagellation over not having a single good aspect of hers to take credit for can start a romance with her. Paragon Shepard will compliment her service record, and more pointedly, her body; Renegade Shepard will try to push her buttons further until she claims Shepard himself as an example of her "damned good work".

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Quite possibly one of the biggest examples in the entire trilogy. Most fans either love Miranda or absolutely loathe her. Its hard to find a fan who has a neutral opinion of her. Some find her hot and think she has a legitimate reason to be sexualized (being something of a FemmeFatale character), while others find her blatant status as Fanservice (complete with many a shot of her ass) annoying. Some feel a great deal of sympathy for her and think her backstory and emotional struggles make her complex and interesting, while others think she's whiny and arrogant. And then there are some who don't like her for her [[KnightTemplar loyalty to Cerberus]], while others love that Miranda possesses such strong opinions and values (as well as her arc in regards to Cerberus as well as her cold demeanor), thinking they help to make her interesting and complex.
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demeanor). Another camp points out the hypocrisy of this, as the that many people who bemoan Miranda's blatant fanservice status turn a blind eye to Thane's blatant fanservice status, which he has moreso than Miranda as every aspect of his character from his [[GutturalGrowler voice]] to his [[SympatheticMurderBackstory life]] [[WhenYouComingHomeDad story]] was geared towards fanservice; [[WordOfGod Bioware even outright said Thane's fanservice characterization was intentional]].
* JerkassWoobie: She's tortured over the manner in which she was "created", had to spend her early childhood having to live up to [[AbusiveParents her father's]] crazy high expectations, (and its also heavily implied that he murdered Miranda's older "siblings" for not meeting said expectations) and worst of all, [[spoiler:is incapable of conceiving a child, something she desperately wants (as the Shadow Broker files on her clearly show)]]. Needless to say, when one takes all that into consideration, its easy to see why she can be [[IceQueen so cold and nasty sometimes.]]
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]] It also makes it unsurprising that either Paragon or Renegade dialogue choices acknowledging her flagellation over not having a single good aspect of hers to take credit for can start a romance with her. Paragon Shepard will compliment her service record, and more pointedly, her body; Renegade Shepard will try to push her buttons further until she claims Shepard himself as an example of her "damned good work".



* EnsembleDarkhorse: To the degree that some fans wanted him back in ''[=ME3=]'' as a squadmate.
** Most people wanted him as a squadmate as early as in ''[=ME2=]'' after seeing him for the first time in one of the pre-release trailers. Of course, being voiced by Creator/AdamBaldwin doesn't hurt.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: To the degree that some fans wanted him back in ''[=ME3=]'' as a squadmate.
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squadmate. Most people wanted him as a squadmate as early as in ''[=ME2=]'' after seeing him for the first time in one of the pre-release trailers. Of course, being voiced by Creator/AdamBaldwin doesn't hurt.



* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Born with autism, exploited by his own brother, turned into a machine against his will, and insane from the strain of being in charge of a computer network. This guy's life is just one heartbreak after another. Unfortunately, he's incredibly unstable and dangerous, and become so withdrawn and broken he doesn't realize the harm of his actions.]]
** [[spoiler: If you save him in Overlord, he is shown to be doing a lot better during the Grissom Station mission. He even apologises to Shepard and his squad for his actions.]]

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* TheWoobie: [[spoiler: Born with autism, exploited by his own brother, turned into a machine against his will, and insane from the strain of being in charge of a computer network. This guy's life is just one heartbreak after another. Unfortunately, he's incredibly unstable and dangerous, and become so withdrawn and broken he doesn't realize the harm of his actions.]]
** [[spoiler: If
Thankfully, if you save him in Overlord, him, he is shown to be doing a lot better during the Grissom Station mission.mission in the third game. He even apologises to Shepard and his squad for his actions.]]
5th Jul '17 1:48:46 PM Zaptech
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** So you convinced that asari on Illium to get back together with her krogan boyfriend, hopefully to get married and have kids and live happily ever after, right? Well, at least until ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where you find out [[spoiler:Charr died on a mission and Ereba will now be left to raise their daughter alone in a galaxy on the dagger's edge of extinction]]. So much for GoodFeelsGood...

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** So you convinced that asari on Illium to get back together with her krogan boyfriend, hopefully to get married and have kids and live happily ever after, right? Well, at least until ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where you find out [[spoiler:Charr died on a mission and Ereba will now be left to raise their daughter alone in a galaxy on the dagger's edge of extinction]].alone]]. So much for GoodFeelsGood...
4th Jul '17 5:07:30 PM MinisterOfSinister
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* HarsherInHindsight: Shepard initially balks at Tali wanting to suppress evidence of her father's experiments on live geth. Tali says that revealing it would mean that her father would be held up as an example of a monster as a cautionary tale. You find [[spoiler: Tali's dad dead and may even comfort her over it]]. Then you get to Project Overlord and see an even worse experiment performed on live geth. Feel like suppressing that evidence now?

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight:
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Shepard initially balks baulks at Tali wanting to suppress evidence of her father's experiments on live geth. Tali says that revealing it would mean that her father would be held up as an example of a monster as a cautionary tale. You find [[spoiler: Tali's dad dead and may even comfort her over it]]. Then you get to Project Overlord and see an even worse experiment performed on live geth. Feel like suppressing that evidence now?now?
** So you convinced that asari on Illium to get back together with her krogan boyfriend, hopefully to get married and have kids and live happily ever after, right? Well, at least until ''VideoGame/MassEffect3'', where you find out [[spoiler:Charr died on a mission and Ereba will now be left to raise their daughter alone in a galaxy on the dagger's edge of extinction]]. So much for GoodFeelsGood...
23rd Jun '17 10:34:23 AM MinisterOfSinister
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%%* MoralEventHorizon: He's got a few candidates, both in 2 and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope especially in 3.]]

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%%* MoralEventHorizon: He's got a few candidates, both in 2 and [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope especially in 3.]]
25th May '17 10:41:36 AM CosmicFerret
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* EvenBetterSequel: This is considered amongst the fandom to be ''TheEmpireStrikesBack'' of the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy. It even ends the same way, with Shepard looking out at the galaxy and the cliffhanger that the Reapers are now ''very'' close. The pack ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'' can be seen as this for the previous DLC packs, which makes it an Even Better Expansion to an EvenBetterSequel.

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* EvenBetterSequel: This is considered amongst the fandom to be ''TheEmpireStrikesBack'' ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' of the ''Franchise/MassEffect'' trilogy. It even ends the same way, with Shepard looking out at the galaxy and the cliffhanger that the Reapers are now ''very'' close. The pack ''Lair of the Shadow Broker'' can be seen as this for the previous DLC packs, which makes it an Even Better Expansion to an EvenBetterSequel.
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