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* CoveredUp: A rare non-song example: Nowadays ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'' and ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' are better known as the titles of Music/{{Queen}} albums than as Marx Brothers movies.

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* CoveredUp: A rare non-song example: Nowadays ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'' and ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' ''Film/{{A Day at the Races|1937}}'' are better known as the titles of Music/{{Queen}} albums than as Marx Brothers movies.



** There's the scene in ''Film/TheBigStore'' where they have black actors literally picking their cotton in-store. Again, this was FairForItsDay, as the brothers often went out of their way to hire black performers and risk having their films blacklisted in the South. ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' has, for no particular reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-a-jf1c6g a large-scale production number]] with about fifty Afro-American performers led by the amazing Ivy Anderson.

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** There's the scene in ''Film/TheBigStore'' where they have black actors literally picking their cotton in-store. Again, this was FairForItsDay, as the brothers often went out of their way to hire black performers and risk having their films blacklisted in the South. ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' ''Film/{{A Day at the Races|1937}}'' has, for no particular reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-a-jf1c6g a large-scale production number]] with about fifty Afro-American performers led by the amazing Ivy Anderson.
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* AudienceAlienatingEra: When the brothers went to MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter at the studio. After he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the brothers lost their best advocate while the rest of the management turned on them, denying them the creative control and personnel they needed, and their films were never the same.

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* AudienceAlienatingEra: When the brothers went to MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter at the studio. After he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', ''Film/{{A Day at the Races|1937}}'', the brothers lost their best advocate while the rest of the management turned on them, denying them the creative control and personnel they needed, and their films were never the same.
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** One of the the most hotly debated topics among fans is whether or not Harpo sings during the "Sweet Adeline" bit at the opening of ''Film/MonkeyBusiness.''

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** One of the the most hotly debated topics among fans is whether or not Harpo sings during the "Sweet Adeline" bit at the opening of ''Film/MonkeyBusiness.''

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* SpiritualSuccessor: ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' and ''Creator/MontyPython'' are probably the closest comparison, with some of Creator/WoodyAllen's early films also bearing a resemblance.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: SpiritualSuccessor:
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''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' and ''Creator/MontyPython'' are probably the closest comparison, with some of Creator/WoodyAllen's early films also bearing a resemblance.resemblance.
** Creator/HaroldRamis actually quipped about ''Film/{{Caddyshack}}'' that they intended to make a poignant-coming-of-age film and then accidentally made a Marx Brothers film.
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* AcceptableTargets
** A little person is mocked and threatened in ''At the Circus''. It works because it makes Groucho seem [[UnsympatheticComedyProtagonist cowardly and weak]] instead of cruel.
** The upper classes were the butt of a lot of the crueler humor. Of course, a lot of that comes from the Depression-era roots of the act; Film/TheThreeStooges and other comedy troupes of the time did the same. And it's not like they were shy about delivering a comeuppance to anyone else.

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* OnceAcceptableTargets
** Chico's portrayal of an Italian immigrant, Harpo's original "Irish bruiser" character from his vaudeville days, etc. Hey, [[FairForItsDay it was the '30s]]!
** There's the scene in ''Film/TheBigStore'' where they have black actors literally picking their cotton in-store. Again, this was FairForItsDay, as the brothers often went out of their way to hire black performers and risk having their films blacklisted in the South. ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' has, for no particular reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-a-jf1c6g a large-scale production number]] with about fifty Afro-American performers led by the amazing Ivy Anderson.



* ValuesDissonance: Harpo's Creator/BennyHill-esque gag of randomly chasing women around would ''never'' fly today.

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Harpo's Creator/BennyHill-esque gag of randomly chasing women around would ''never'' fly today.today.
** Chico's portrayal of an Italian immigrant, Harpo's original "Irish bruiser" character from his vaudeville days, etc. Hey, [[FairForItsDay it was the '30s]]!
** There's the scene in ''Film/TheBigStore'' where they have black actors literally picking their cotton in-store. Again, this was FairForItsDay, as the brothers often went out of their way to hire black performers and risk having their films blacklisted in the South. ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' has, for no particular reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-a-jf1c6g a large-scale production number]] with about fifty Afro-American performers led by the amazing Ivy Anderson.

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Dork Age was renamed


* AudienceAlienatingEra: When the brothers went to MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter at the studio. After he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the brothers lost their best advocate while the rest of the management turned on them, denying them the creative control and personnel they needed, and their films were never the same.



* DorkAge: When the brothers went to MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter at the studio. After he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the brothers lost their best advocate while the rest of the management turned on them, denying them the creative control and personnel they needed, and their films were never the same.
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** The upper classes were the butt of a lot of the crueler humor. Of course, a lot of that comes from the Depression Era roots of the act; Film/TheThreeStooges and other comedy troupes of the time did the same. And it's not like they were shy about delivering a comeuppance to anyone else.

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** The upper classes were the butt of a lot of the crueler humor. Of course, a lot of that comes from the Depression Era Depression-era roots of the act; Film/TheThreeStooges and other comedy troupes of the time did the same. And it's not like they were shy about delivering a comeuppance to anyone else.
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** There's the scene in ''The Big Store'' where they have black actors literally picking their cotton in-store. Again, this was FairForItsDay, as the brothers often went out of their way to hire black performers and risk having their films blacklisted in the South. ''A Day At the Races'' has, for no particular reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-a-jf1c6g a large-scale production number]] with about fifty Afro-American performers led by the amazing Ivy Anderson.

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** There's the scene in ''The Big Store'' ''Film/TheBigStore'' where they have black actors literally picking their cotton in-store. Again, this was FairForItsDay, as the brothers often went out of their way to hire black performers and risk having their films blacklisted in the South. ''A Day At the Races'' ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' has, for no particular reason, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di-a-jf1c6g a large-scale production number]] with about fifty Afro-American performers led by the amazing Ivy Anderson.
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* CoveredUp: A rare non-song example: ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'' and ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' are better known as the titles of Music/{{Queen}} albums than as Marx Brothers movies.
* DorkAge: When the brothers went to MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter in the company. When he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the Brothers lost their best support while the rest of the management turned on them, denying the creative personnel they needed and their films were never the same.

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* CoveredUp: A rare non-song example: Nowadays ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'' and ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' are better known as the titles of Music/{{Queen}} albums than as Marx Brothers movies.
* DorkAge: When the brothers went to MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter in at the company. When studio. After he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the Brothers brothers lost their best support advocate while the rest of the management turned on them, denying them the creative control and personnel they needed needed, and their films were never the same.
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** One of the the most hotly debated topics among fans is whether or not Harpo sang in the "Sweet Adeline" bit at the opening of ''Film/MonkeyBusiness.''

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** One of the the most hotly debated topics among fans is whether or not Harpo sang in sings during the "Sweet Adeline" bit at the opening of ''Film/MonkeyBusiness.''
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** There are also the argument between whether or not their MGM films were any good or if they simply didn't make any good movies after leaving Paramount.

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** There are There's also the argument between regarding exactly when their Creator/{{MGM}} films stopped being any good, or whether or not their MGM films were any good or if they simply didn't make any ''any'' good movies after leaving Paramount.Creator/{{Paramount}}.



* DorkAge: When the brothers went to Creator/{{MGM}}, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter in the company. When he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the Brothers lost their best support while the rest of the management turned on them, denying the creative personnel they needed and their films were never the same.

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* DorkAge: When the brothers went to Creator/{{MGM}}, MGM, the senior creative executive, Irving Thalberg, was their biggest supporter in the company. When he died during the production of ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'', the Brothers lost their best support while the rest of the management turned on them, denying the creative personnel they needed and their films were never the same.
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* StuckInTheirShadow: Groucho and Harpo have always been the most prominent names in the group. If you're lucky, some people may remember Chico's name too. The one that everyone forgets is Zeppo, though admittedly he only appeared in their movies until ''Film/DuckSoup'' (1933) and was usually the straight member, thus less memorable. (In fact, nowadays he's only known ''because'' he was the straight man of the group, to the point the more "boring" member of any group act will often be called "the Zeppo".) But perhaps even more obscure than Zeppo is their fifth brother, Gummo, Zeppo's predecessor in the "straight man" role, during their vaudeville years in the 1910s. Gummo left the act in 1918 after being drafted into the Army during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (only to never see any action because the armistice was signed shortly afterwards), not having liked the theater scene much anyway. Afterwards, he operated a theatrical agency and worked in the Hollywood agent business.

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* StuckInTheirShadow: Groucho and Harpo have always been the most prominent names in the group. If you're lucky, some people may remember Chico's name too. The one that everyone who everybody forgets is Zeppo, though admittedly he only appeared in their movies until ''Film/DuckSoup'' (1933) and was usually basically the straight member, thus StraightMan to his brothers, which made him less memorable. memorable anyway. (In fact, nowadays he's only known ''because'' he was the straight man of the group, team, to the point where the more most "boring" member of any group act will often be called "the Zeppo".) But perhaps even more obscure than Zeppo is their fifth brother, Gummo, Zeppo's predecessor in the "straight man" role, during their vaudeville years in the 1910s. Gummo left the act in 1918 after being drafted into the Army during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (only to never see any action because the armistice was signed shortly afterwards), not having liked never much cared for the theater scene much anyway. Afterwards, he operated a theatrical agency Both Zeppo and worked in Gummo ended up going into the Hollywood talent agent business.business after leaving the spotlight.

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* StuckInTheirShadow: Groucho and Harpo have always been the most prominent names in the group. If you're lucky, some people may remember Chico's name too. The one that everyone forgets is Zeppo, though admittedly he only appeared in their movies until ''Film/DuckSoup'' (1933) and was usually the straight member, thus less memorable. (In fact, nowadays he's only known ''because'' he was the straight man of the group, to the point the more "boring" member of any group act will often be called "the Zeppo".) But perhaps even more obscure than Zeppo is their fifth brother, Gummo, Zeppo's predecessor in the "straight man" role, during their vaudeville years in the 1910's. Gummo left the group 1918 after being drafted to UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (only to never see any action because the armistice was signed shortly afterwards), not having liked the theater scene much anyway. Afterwards, he operated a theatrical agency and worked in the Hollywood agent business.

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* SpiritualSuccessor: ''WesternAnimation/LooneyTunes'' and ''Creator/MontyPython'' are probably the closest comparison, with some of Creator/WoodyAllen's early films also bearing a resemblance.
* StuckInTheirShadow: Groucho and Harpo have always been the most prominent names in the group. If you're lucky, some people may remember Chico's name too. The one that everyone forgets is Zeppo, though admittedly he only appeared in their movies until ''Film/DuckSoup'' (1933) and was usually the straight member, thus less memorable. (In fact, nowadays he's only known ''because'' he was the straight man of the group, to the point the more "boring" member of any group act will often be called "the Zeppo".) But perhaps even more obscure than Zeppo is their fifth brother, Gummo, Zeppo's predecessor in the "straight man" role, during their vaudeville years in the 1910's. 1910s. Gummo left the group act in 1918 after being drafted to into the Army during UsefulNotes/WorldWarI (only to never see any action because the armistice was signed shortly afterwards), not having liked the theater scene much anyway. Afterwards, he operated a theatrical agency and worked in the Hollywood agent business.
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* CrossesTheLineTwice: A real life example. When the brothers were first introduced to their future straight-woman Margret Dumont at a dinner party, Chico (notorious not only for his [[ReallyGetsAround womanizing]] but for being rather crude at that) was warned not to make any obscene comments to her. When Miss Dumont entered, Chico walked over to her and said, as politely as possible, "Y'know, I'd really like to [[PrecisionFStrike fuck you]]." Her response? "[[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments And tonight, dear boy, you shall]]."

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* CrossesTheLineTwice: A real life example. When the brothers were first introduced to their future straight-woman Margret Dumont Creator/TallulahBankhead at a dinner party, Chico (notorious not only for his [[ReallyGetsAround womanizing]] but for being rather crude at that) was warned not to make any obscene comments to her. When Miss Dumont entered, Near the end of the party, Chico walked over to her and said, as politely as possible, "Y'know, I'd really like to [[PrecisionFStrike fuck you]]." Her response? "[[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments And tonight, dear boy, so you shall]].shall, you old-fashioned boy]]."
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* CoveredUp: A rare non-song example: ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'' and ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' are better known as Music/{{Queen}} albums than as Marx Brothers movies.

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* CoveredUp: A rare non-song example: ''Film/ANightAtTheOpera'' and ''Film/ADayAtTheRaces'' are better known as the titles of Music/{{Queen}} albums than as Marx Brothers movies.

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