History YMMV / ManOfSteel

6th Jan '18 7:37:51 PM bodhirook
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* CommonKnowledge: The final fight scene with Zod has garnered this reputation. People generally describe it as the fight destroying the entire city with Clark being responsible for most of the destruction and being completely indifferent to the rest. In reality, most of Metropolis is left completely untouched and the destruction seems worse than it is because of the focus given to it and the fact that the film doesn't hold back from showing how terrifying it is from a civilian perspective. Similarly, Clark is personally responsible for almost none of it as much of it was done by Zod's world engine or Zod himself and Clark did make an effort to lead him into space and even made a point of avoiding buildings when he punched him at one point. As for claims of indifference, he was busy trying to stop Zod to begin with who wasn't exactly an easy opponent.
29th Dec '17 3:44:32 AM DoctorSleep
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* {{Narm}}:
** Zod's "I WILL FIND HIM!" before he's sealed away in the Phantom Zone. Not the line itself, mind... but the fact that he feels the need to repeat it ''four times'', and he goes from calmly saying it to screaming it at the top of his lungs.
** Martha Kent's weirdly nonplussed reaction to her son casually telling her that he's just found out everything that he needs to know about his real parents (read: ''aliens'') after years of aimlessly wandering the Earth. For some reason, her first reaction is to smile sweetly and tell Clark that she's happy for him... instead of expressing a bit of curiosity or skepticism about his claim that he's just found detailed evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on Earth.
** Clark's conversation with the priest of Smallville's local church. Not only is it filled with tooth-grindingly cliché lines ("What does your gut tell you?" "Sometimes you need to take a leap of faith!"), the priest seems weirdly nonchalant about a stranger waltzing into his church and casually claiming to be an alien.
** The Jesus symbolism of Superman is already groan-worthy, bordering on SnarkBait by the time of Superman's CrucifiedHeroShot leaving Zod's ship. But it becomes hilarious towards the end when it's awkward shoehorned right-before the climactic battle when the surviving Daily Planet reporters crawl from the rubble, and in a tearfully-grateful and reverent-voice, whimper "He saved us all"... which quickly turns to comedy when the camera pans back to show the grey, lifeless, ash covered apocalyptic wasteland of crumbling-ruins that is left of Metropolis after Ka-El failed to stop a city-block-sized spaceship from crashing into it like a bull through a china-shop.
** The ProductPlacement in the Smallville fight. They are all so prominent and rapid-fire that it undermines the tone of Superman defending his hometown from his own race.

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* {{Narm}}:
** Zod's "I WILL FIND HIM!" before he's sealed away in the Phantom Zone. Not the line itself, mind... but the fact that he feels the need to repeat it ''four times'', and he goes from calmly saying it to screaming it at the top of his lungs.
** Martha Kent's weirdly nonplussed reaction to her son casually telling her that he's just found out everything that he needs to know about his real parents (read: ''aliens'') after years of aimlessly wandering the Earth. For some reason, her first reaction is to smile sweetly and tell Clark that she's happy for him... instead of expressing a bit of curiosity or skepticism about his claim that he's just found detailed evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on Earth.
** Clark's conversation with the priest of Smallville's local church. Not only is it filled with tooth-grindingly cliché lines ("What does your gut tell you?" "Sometimes you need to take a leap of faith!"), the priest seems weirdly nonchalant about a stranger waltzing into his church and casually claiming to be an alien.
** The Jesus symbolism of Superman is already groan-worthy, bordering on SnarkBait by the time of Superman's CrucifiedHeroShot leaving Zod's ship. But it becomes hilarious towards the end when it's awkward shoehorned right-before the climactic battle when the surviving Daily Planet reporters crawl from the rubble, and in a tearfully-grateful and reverent-voice, whimper "He saved us all"... which quickly turns to comedy when the camera pans back to show the grey, lifeless, ash covered apocalyptic wasteland of crumbling-ruins that is left of Metropolis after Ka-El failed to stop a city-block-sized spaceship from crashing into it like a bull through a china-shop.
** The ProductPlacement in the Smallville fight. They are all so prominent and rapid-fire that it undermines the tone of Superman defending his hometown from his
{{Narm}}: [[Narm/DCExtendedUniverse Has its own race.page.]]
18th Dec '17 2:05:19 PM MasterHero
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* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Jadin Gould did in just a few seconds of screentime what Kristin Kreuk couldn't do in eight seasons of ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': turn ComicBook/LanaLang into a sympathetic and likeable character.
4th Dec '17 10:28:29 AM SorPepita
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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: Some viewers noticed it followed ''Film/BatmanBegins'''s steps way too closely, as it not only imitated said film's path for it's hero (such as traveling the world to find one's self) but also elements such as the anachronistic order, the WellIntentionedExtremist villain who attacks the hero's home (Gotham/Earth) with a device that alters the environment, the function of Lois Lane and Rachel Dawes and the relationship between the hero and the Government (specially between the trustworthy Gordon/Hardy and the skeptical Loeb/Swanwick), along with hints of the arch enemy in a future installment.

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* TheyCopiedItSoItSucks: Some viewers noticed it followed ''Film/BatmanBegins'''s steps way too closely, as it not only imitated said film's path for it's its hero (such as traveling the world to find one's self) but also elements such as the anachronistic order, the WellIntentionedExtremist villain who attacks the hero's home (Gotham/Earth) with a device that alters the environment, the function of Lois Lane and Rachel Dawes and the relationship between the hero and the Government (specially between the trustworthy Gordon/Hardy and the skeptical Loeb/Swanwick), along with hints of the arch enemy in a future installment.
4th Dec '17 9:58:09 AM SorPepita
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* RonTheDeathEater: ''Superman'' of all people, gets hit with this sometimes, being painted by detractors as selfish and having to be goaded into heroics, despite being a HeroicBystander and [[SamaritanSyndrome being compelled to help long before he got the suit]], and ultimately choosing Earth and humanity over his own people. Also, his DestructiveSavior tendencies are blown out of proportion since he was responsible for only a fraction of the devastation. Likewise his [[spoiler:killing of Zod]] is sometimes treated as an antithesis of Superman's character, despite it clearly being the only option he had, Clark being visibly averse to doing it,(he literally begs Zod to stop his attempted massacre before he finally does the deed) and of course his [[TheseHandsHaveKilled reaction]] afterwards making it abundantly clear he took no pleasure in doing so.

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* RonTheDeathEater: ''Superman'' of all people, gets hit with this sometimes, being painted by detractors as selfish and having to be goaded into heroics, despite being a HeroicBystander and [[SamaritanSyndrome being compelled to help long before he got the suit]], and ultimately choosing Earth and humanity over his own people. Also, his DestructiveSavior tendencies are blown out of proportion since he was responsible for only a fraction of the devastation. Likewise his [[spoiler:killing of Zod]] is sometimes treated as an antithesis of Superman's character, despite it clearly being the only option he had, Clark being visibly averse to doing it,(he it (he literally begs Zod to stop his attempted massacre before he finally does the deed) deed), and of course his [[TheseHandsHaveKilled reaction]] afterwards making it abundantly clear he took no pleasure in doing so.
4th Dec '17 9:56:42 AM SorPepita
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** Due to the quality of the fight scenes, fans feel that the film was a better ''Franchise/{{Dragonball}}'' movie than the official [[Film/DragonballEvolution Dragonball movie]]. The fight scenes in Man of Steels were brawls translated into live actions from the Superman comics...which in turn were more similar to Dragon Ball style combat in the anime and manga than the "floatier" martial arts style used in Dragonball Evolution.

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** Due to the quality of the fight scenes, fans feel that the film was a better ''Franchise/{{Dragonball}}'' movie than the official [[Film/DragonballEvolution Dragonball movie]]. The fight scenes in Man of Steels were brawls translated into live actions from the Superman comics... which in turn were more similar to Dragon Ball style combat in the anime and manga than the "floatier" martial arts style used in Dragonball Evolution.
4th Dec '17 9:32:12 AM SorPepita
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** Zod's "I WILL FIND HIM!" before he's sealed away in the Phantom Zone. Not the line itself, mind...but the fact that he feels the need to repeat it ''four times'', and he goes from calmly saying it to screaming it at the top of his lungs.
** Martha Kent's weirdly nonplussed reaction to her son casually telling her that he's just found out everything that he needs to know about his real parents (read: ''aliens'') after years of aimlessly wandering the Earth. For some reason, her first reaction is to smile sweetly and tell Clark that she's happy for him...instead of expressing a bit of curiosity or skepticism about his claim that he's just found detailed evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on Earth.

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** Zod's "I WILL FIND HIM!" before he's sealed away in the Phantom Zone. Not the line itself, mind... but the fact that he feels the need to repeat it ''four times'', and he goes from calmly saying it to screaming it at the top of his lungs.
** Martha Kent's weirdly nonplussed reaction to her son casually telling her that he's just found out everything that he needs to know about his real parents (read: ''aliens'') after years of aimlessly wandering the Earth. For some reason, her first reaction is to smile sweetly and tell Clark that she's happy for him... instead of expressing a bit of curiosity or skepticism about his claim that he's just found detailed evidence of an extraterrestrial civilization on Earth.



** The Jesus symbolism of Superman is already groan-worthy, bordering on SnarkBait by the time of Superman's CrucifiedHeroShot leaving Zod's ship. But it becomes hilarious towards the end when it's awkward shoehorned right-before the climactic battle when the surviving Daily Planet reporters crawl from the rubble, and in a tearfully-grateful and reverent-voice, whimper "He saved us all".... which quickly turns to comedy when the camera pans back to show the grey, lifeless, ash covered apocalyptic wasteland of crumbling-ruins that is left of Metropolis after Ka-El failed to stop a city-block-sized spaceship from crashing into it like a bull through a china-shop.

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** The Jesus symbolism of Superman is already groan-worthy, bordering on SnarkBait by the time of Superman's CrucifiedHeroShot leaving Zod's ship. But it becomes hilarious towards the end when it's awkward shoehorned right-before the climactic battle when the surviving Daily Planet reporters crawl from the rubble, and in a tearfully-grateful and reverent-voice, whimper "He saved us all"....all"... which quickly turns to comedy when the camera pans back to show the grey, lifeless, ash covered apocalyptic wasteland of crumbling-ruins that is left of Metropolis after Ka-El failed to stop a city-block-sized spaceship from crashing into it like a bull through a china-shop.



** In addition, some have taken issue with the notion that [[spoiler:Superman didn't ''have'' a code against killing at first or that he needed to try it once and decide he didn't like it]]. However, there is evidence from post-Crisis comics to support this, in particular a story called "The Green Bullet" by Creator/JohnOstrander, printed in [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jla-80-page-giant-1-the-green-bullet-for-sale-the-/4000-45101/ JLA 80-Page Giant #1:]] [[spoiler:Superman refers to the execution of Zod in ''Superman'' #22 and implies this was what cemented his code to begin with.]]

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** In addition, some have taken issue with the notion that [[spoiler:Superman didn't ''have'' a code against killing at first or that he needed to try it once and decide he didn't like it]]. However, there is evidence from post-Crisis comics to support this, in particular a story called "The Green Bullet" by Creator/JohnOstrander, John Ostrander, printed in [[https://comicvine.gamespot.com/jla-80-page-giant-1-the-green-bullet-for-sale-the-/4000-45101/ JLA 80-Page Giant #1:]] [[spoiler:Superman refers to the execution of Zod in ''Superman'' #22 and implies this was what cemented his code to begin with.]]
4th Dec '17 9:14:46 AM SorPepita
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** Jor-El's view of humans as flawed yet inherently good is validated by the end of ''Film/SuicideSquad''

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** Jor-El's view of humans as flawed yet inherently good is validated by the end of ''Film/SuicideSquad''''Film/SuicideSquad''.
4th Dec '17 8:53:00 AM SorPepita
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* FandomHeresy: Admitting to liking this movie is considered this among a lot of Superman fans, to the point of being almost ''{{Godwin|sLaw}}-inducing'' .

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* FandomHeresy: Admitting to liking this movie is considered this among a lot of Superman fans, to the point of being almost ''{{Godwin|sLaw}}-inducing'' .''{{Godwin|sLaw}}-inducing''.
4th Dec '17 8:51:56 AM SorPepita
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Pa Kent is one for spending most of his screen time telling Clark he doesn't feel he's ready to become a great hero. Some interpret this as him being unwilling to let go of his son but ultimately accepting that he needs to risk his life to save the world, and others it sounds more like he was telling him not to save people at all.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: Pa Kent is one for spending most of his screen time telling Clark he doesn't feel he's ready to become a great hero. Some interpret this as him being unwilling to let go of his son but ultimately accepting that he needs to risk his life to save the world, and for others it sounds more like he was telling him not to save people at all.
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