History YMMV / MalazanBookoftheFallen

26th Jan '18 5:32:39 AM Derkhan
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* SlowPacedBeginning: A common phrase said by fans to new readers of ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen''. The first book throws the reader [[InMediasRes in the deep end]] [[LostInMediasRes without so much as a "can you swim?"]], with a whole host of characters and events and expects you to run with it. After the first few hundred pages, after the reader has acclimatised themselves, the experience quickly becomes less "Huh-wha?" and more "Ooohh! That's clever." Addotionally, the first novel is considered the least well-written of the ten books in the series and is much slower going than the action and plot packed second book, ''Literature/DeadhouseGates''. Some reasons for that are that ''Literature/GardensOfTheMoon'' was written almost a decade before its follow-up, ''Literature/DeadhouseGates'', and was originally written as a film script before Creator/StevenErikson decided to turn it into a book.
18th Jan '18 12:50:27 PM Derkhan
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* LostInMediasRes: Creator/StevenErikson claims to have deliberately started the series halfway through the events depicted in ''Literature/GardensOfTheMoon'', and without giving much explanation about what came before, in the foreword to recent editions of the first book, in order to weed out readers without enough patience to enjoy the series.
17th Jan '18 2:16:16 PM Derkhan
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' doesn't always do this, but it ''did'' creep up during ''Literature/MidnightTides''. That novel depicts a war between the Tiste Edur (a nation that keeps humans as slaves and is ruled [[TheCaligula by an insane emperor]] who works for an EldritchAbomination) and Letharas (a [[TheEmpire brutal, expansionist empire]] that [[StrawCharacter takes the flaws of capitalism as far as it can]] without being PlayedForLaughs). You can't even blame one side for being the ones to initiate the war, since they're both pretty eager for it even before the first blow is struck. Sure, individual characters on both sides of the conflict can be quite sympathetic, but the outcome of the war isn't that suspenseful, 'cause you know you're gonna wind up with a regime of violent, oppressive conquerors either way.\\
The continuation of this plot after the war ends only makes it ''worse'' because the victors lack the finesse to control their new subjects, resulting in them slowly being undermined and torn apart by their supposed subjects. Things only improve after a lot of important character deaths when [[spoiler:the Tiste Edur give up and leave while Letharas gets a decent ruler]].
17th Jan '18 11:08:32 AM Derkhan
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* GrowingTheBeard: ''Literature/GardensOfTheMoon'', the first book in Creator/StevenErikson's gargantuan ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'' sequence, drops the reader in the middle of an ongoing war with little explanation of what is going on. The lack of scene-setting or explanations for concepts in the book have led many to give up on the novel, as acknowledged in later editions by the author. Fans suggest that the book doesn't settle down and become comprehensible until a good 150 pages in, and many suggest skipping it and starting with the more traditionally-structured second book, ''Literature/DeadhouseGates'' (set on a different continent with different characters) instead.
17th Jan '18 9:42:26 AM Derkhan
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* HilariousInHindsight: In the volumes ''Literature/MidnightTides'' and ''Literature/ReapersGale'' (the latter published in 2007), one plot thread is Tehol Beddict's plan to destroy the economy of Lether by exploiting everyone's greed. Considering how much of the 2008-2009 economic unpleasantness was caused by unsustainable and shortsighted investment and lending makes it even better.
9th Jan '18 4:50:37 AM Derkhan
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* EvenBetterSequel: While ''Literature/GardensOfTheMoon'' drawns many readers into the ''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen'', it's agreed upon that the second volume, ''Literature/DeadhouseGates'', has even better writing, characterization and a better developed plot; and for many readers volume three, ''Literature/MemoriesOfIce'', tops the second.
10th Aug '17 11:50:50 AM SeptimusHeap
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* CompleteMonster: Bidithal is [[EvilOldFolks an elderly member]] of the rebellious army the Whirlwind and its most powerful High Mage who gets away with his atrocities due to his power and high position. He has a disturbing taste for [[{{Lolicon}} little girls]] that he rapes and performs female circumcision on. In his darkest act, Bidithal captures the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, and rapes her. He tells her he will "drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within." Even the barbarian AntiHero Karsa Orlong finds Bidithal an utter blot on humanity as a whole and relishes a chance to force Bidithal to [[GroinAttack choke on]] [[KarmicDeath his pleasure]].

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* CompleteMonster: Bidithal is [[EvilOldFolks an elderly member]] of the rebellious army the Whirlwind and its most powerful High Mage who gets away with his atrocities due to his power and high position. He has a disturbing taste for [[{{Lolicon}} [[PaedoHunt little girls]] that he rapes and performs female circumcision on. In his darkest act, Bidithal captures the adopted daughter of the Whirlwind's leader, Felisin the Younger, and rapes her. He tells her he will "drink all the pleasure from your precious body, leaving naught but bitterness, naught but dead places within." Even the barbarian AntiHero Karsa Orlong finds Bidithal an utter blot on humanity as a whole and relishes a chance to force Bidithal to [[GroinAttack choke on]] [[KarmicDeath his pleasure]].
2nd Apr '17 7:27:53 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* BaseBreaker: Karsa Orlong. A Canon Sue, while ''also'' being a Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian {{Expy}} with vastly more power and fewer redeeming qualities. Oh, and he also rapes people repeatedly in his introduction story, while calling them 'children', though they're adults, due to the difference in size between his race and theirs. And yes, the effect of HotSkittyOnWailordAction is fairly graphically focused on. He himself considers his own actions the epitome of heroism and everyone not willing to follow in his footsteps a coward. As you might expect, this makes him ''slightly'' controversial. However, Karsa Orlong is intended to be a deconstruction of the BarbarianHero archetype and is not intended to be sympathetic (at least at first), as per WordOfGod [[http://www.steven-erikson.com/index.php/the-problem-of-karsa-orlong/]]. As for his tendency to rape people, this goes away as he undergoes CharacterDevelopment and his motivations become more nuanced and thoughtful, inasmuch as they can be with Karsa Orlong, and he switches from rape and murder to wanting to destroy civilization as a whole. Even fans of the character don't find him sympathetic when first introduced and some readers remain staunch haters of Karsa Orlong to the end.

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* BaseBreaker: Karsa Orlong. A Canon Sue, while ''also'' being a Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian {{Expy}} with vastly more power and fewer redeeming qualities. Oh, and he also rapes people repeatedly in his introduction story, while calling them 'children', though they're adults, due to the difference in size between his race and theirs. And yes, the effect of HotSkittyOnWailordAction is fairly graphically focused on. He himself considers his own actions the epitome of heroism and everyone not willing to follow in his footsteps a coward. As you might expect, this makes him ''slightly'' controversial. However, Karsa Orlong is intended to be a deconstruction of the BarbarianHero archetype and is not intended to be sympathetic (at least at first), as per WordOfGod [[http://www.([[http://www.steven-erikson.com/index.php/the-problem-of-karsa-orlong/]].php/the-problem-of-karsa-orlong/ which can be read here]]). As for his tendency to rape people, this goes away as he undergoes CharacterDevelopment and his motivations become more nuanced and thoughtful, inasmuch as they can be with Karsa Orlong, and he switches from rape and murder to wanting to destroy civilization as a whole. Even fans of the character don't find him sympathetic when first introduced and some readers remain staunch haters of Karsa Orlong to the end.
2nd Apr '17 7:26:49 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Torvald Nom, who only shows up briefly in ''House of Chains'', has gained a ''lot'' of popularity, spawning forum rants about how badass he is [[http://forum.malazanempire.com/topic/22008-plot-summary/page__view__findpost__p__871952]]. In ''Literature/TollTheHounds'', he becomes an AscendedExtra, with his own minor storyline.

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** Torvald Nom, who only shows up briefly in ''House of Chains'', has gained a ''lot'' of popularity, spawning forum rants about how badass he is [[http://forum.malazanempire.com/topic/22008-plot-summary/page__view__findpost__p__871952]].com/topic/22008-plot-summary/page__view__findpost__p__871952 forum rants about how badass he is]]. In ''Literature/TollTheHounds'', he becomes an AscendedExtra, with his own minor storyline.
12th Mar '17 12:55:19 PM Derkhan
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* CrazyAwesome: Karsa Orlong, Iskaral Pust, Tehol & Bugg, Second Seguleh, Bauchelain and Korbal Broach, probably all sappers...
** [[spoiler: As we see in TheCrippledGod, after becoming Master of the Deck, Captain Ganoes isn't afraid to come to talk to a dangerous enemy commander, just to see what person she is, and piss her off just by talking... and he gets away with it!]]

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* CrazyAwesome: Karsa Orlong, Iskaral Pust, Tehol & Bugg, Second Seguleh, Bauchelain and Korbal Broach, probably all sappers...
** [[spoiler:
As we see in TheCrippledGod, ''Literature/TheCrippledGod'', after becoming Master of the Deck, Captain Ganoes isn't afraid to come to talk to a dangerous enemy commander, just to see what person she is, and piss her off just by talking... and he gets away with it!]]it!



** Torvald Nom, who only shows up briefly in ''House of Chains'', has gained a ''lot'' of popularity, spawning forum rants about how badass he is [[http://forum.malazanempire.com/topic/22008-plot-summary/page__view__findpost__p__871952]]. In ''Toll the Hounds'', he becomes an AscendedExtra, with his own minor storyline.

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** Torvald Nom, who only shows up briefly in ''House of Chains'', has gained a ''lot'' of popularity, spawning forum rants about how badass he is [[http://forum.malazanempire.com/topic/22008-plot-summary/page__view__findpost__p__871952]]. In ''Toll the Hounds'', ''Literature/TollTheHounds'', he becomes an AscendedExtra, with his own minor storyline.



* TheScrappy: The Mhybe in ''Memories of Ice.'' Depending on who you ask, Karsa Orlong and/or Kruppe as well.
** Also, Nimander and Felisin.
* TearJerker: [[spoiler:Itkovian's death.]]
** [[spoiler:Coltaine's death on the crucifix.]]
* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler:Itkovian.]]

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** Basically anyone who mouths off to Karsa Orlong. The guy's a giant barbarian. What did you expect to happen?

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** Basically anyone who mouths off to Karsa Orlong. The guy's a giant barbarian. What did you expect to happen?happen?
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