History YMMV / MadMen

7th Sep '17 12:35:29 AM Draghinazzo
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** Don himself. While he has been acclaimed as a well-realized and complex character, there's contention as to whether his deep character flaws affect the audience's ability to be invested in him. Many argue that his complexity makes him an interesting character you can be invested in even if you disagree with his decisions and find him to be a bad person, others find him so horrible that they simply can't care about what happens to him.

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** Don himself. While he has been acclaimed as a well-realized and complex character, there's contention as to whether his deep character flaws affect the audience's ability to be invested in him. Many argue that his complexity makes him an interesting character you can be invested in even if you disagree with his decisions and find him to be a bad person, others find him so horrible that they simply can't care about what happens to him. How justified he is in his decisions in a number of situations also tends to be a subject of debate.
7th Sep '17 12:33:11 AM Draghinazzo
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** Don himself. While he has been acclaimed as a well-realized and complex character, there's contention as to whether his deep character flaws affect the audience's ability to be invested in him. Many argue that his complexity makes him an interesting character you can be invested in even if you disagree with his decisions and find him to be a bad person, others find him so horrible that they simply can't care about what happens to him.
2nd Sep '17 10:16:40 PM jormis29
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** Peggy. She even gets the idea that she isn't attractive, not helping are Joan's insults on her looks and fashion sense or when the guys make jokes about her being a "Gertrude Stein" as opposed to a "Jackie or [[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]". Yet given that she's played by ElisabethMoss, it's been lampshaded on the show that the idea of her being unattractive is insane and can be attributed to the Men wrapping their heads around the idea that a woman can be beautiful and intellectual along with misogyny. Don ("You're an attractive girl Peggy" and once compared her to [[https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=667&q=Irene+dunne&oq=Irene+dunne&gs_l=img.3..0l10.34.3500.0.3632.20.15.1.1.1.0.299.1479.0j8j1.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..9.11.1486.7zROgfZs7eQ#imgrc=euikCY7wS78arM%253A%3B8R5MmDVCLounTM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fia.media-imdb.com%252Fimages%252FM%252FMV5BMzA1NTg0NzU2MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjU5OTU2._V1_SY317_CR21%252C0%252C214%252C317_AL_.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.imdb.com%252Fname%252Fnm0002050%252F%3B214%3B317 Irene Dunne]]), a suspicious Bobbie ("You're so young and beautiful"), even Joan (admits she has darling ankles and laments her "hiding a very attractive girl under a lot of lunch"), Stan ("You have a nice ass"), and Mathis ("You know you're a catch right?") have commented on how pretty she is.

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** Peggy. She even gets the idea that she isn't attractive, not helping are Joan's insults on her looks and fashion sense or when the guys make jokes about her being a "Gertrude Stein" as opposed to a "Jackie or [[MarilynMonroe Marilyn]]". Yet given that she's played by ElisabethMoss, it's been lampshaded on the show that the idea of her being unattractive is insane and can be attributed to the Men wrapping their heads around the idea that a woman can be beautiful and intellectual along with misogyny. Don ("You're an attractive girl Peggy" and once compared her to [[https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1366&bih=667&q=Irene+dunne&oq=Irene+dunne&gs_l=img.3..0l10.34.3500.0.3632.20.15.1.1.1.0.299.1479.0j8j1.9.0....0...1ac.1.64.img..9.11.1486.7zROgfZs7eQ#imgrc=euikCY7wS78arM%253A%3B8R5MmDVCLounTM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fia.media-imdb.com%252Fimages%252FM%252FMV5BMzA1NTg0NzU2MV5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwNjU5OTU2._V1_SY317_CR21%252C0%252C214%252C317_AL_.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.imdb.com%252Fname%252Fnm0002050%252F%3B214%3B317 Irene Dunne]]), Creator/IreneDunne), a suspicious Bobbie ("You're so young and beautiful"), even Joan (admits she has darling ankles and laments her "hiding a very attractive girl under a lot of lunch"), Stan ("You have a nice ass"), and Mathis ("You know you're a catch right?") have commented on how pretty she is.
2nd Sep '17 12:47:26 PM Pren
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** In ''Series/{{GLOW}}'', Harry has an affair with Trudy.
31st Jul '17 10:23:53 AM MikeW
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** Best summed up by [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hB7XRZ3VzQA this sketch]] of a couple of comedians acting like the characters and loving living it up like the "free" 1960s until it's pointed out how bad mentalities at that era were.
30th Jun '17 6:14:31 AM faunas
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Camille Paglia's beef with the first season of the show--namely, that it's tainted by the self-righteous wisdom of "hindsight":

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* {{Anvilicious}}: [[http://www.salon.com/2012/10/10/camille_paglias_glittering_images/ Camille Paglia's beef with the first season of the show--namely, show]]--namely, that it's tainted by the self-righteous wisdom of "hindsight":
4th Jun '17 10:34:39 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Betty a paranoid, spoiled, and selfish bully? Or is she a victim of the times and years of psychological abuse from her parents and Don? Quite possibly [[JerkassWoobie both at the same time]], but good luck getting two fans to agree.

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Is Betty a paranoid, spoiled, and selfish bully? Or is she a victim of the times and years of psychological abuse from her parents and Don? Quite possibly [[JerkassWoobie both at the same time]], but good luck getting two fans to agree.
29th Apr '17 7:44:02 AM RobertMacQuarrie1
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** Did Bert Cooper brush off Pete Campbell's revelation about Don Draper's true identity in the first season because he truly didn't care? Or because Cooper plays the long game, deciding that Draper was more important in that moment than Campbell, and deciding to use that information later on when it could be used most effectively?
26th Apr '17 12:49:27 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* JerkassWoobie: Don. Both sides of the trope expand as the series goes on.

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* JerkassWoobie: Plenty.
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Don. Both sides of the trope expand as the series goes on.
24th Nov '16 1:54:15 PM toongrrl1990
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** AlphaBitch Joan: she was treated as a sex object by most of the men and it starts wearing her down, she was raped by her fiancee, humiliated by an ex, had a father who left her, and dealt with a corporation robbing her of her money and autonomy.
** Betty, as with Don, she has viewers both shaking their fists at her while wanting to console her.
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