History YMMV / MadMen

30th Jun '17 6:14:31 AM faunas
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* {{Anvilicious}}: Camille Paglia's beef with the first season of the show--namely, that it's tainted by the self-righteous wisdom of "hindsight":

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* {{Anvilicious}}: [[http://www.salon.com/2012/10/10/camille_paglias_glittering_images/ Camille Paglia's beef with the first season of the show--namely, show]]--namely, that it's tainted by the self-righteous wisdom of "hindsight":
4th Jun '17 10:34:39 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is Betty a paranoid, spoiled, and selfish bully? Or is she a victim of the times and years of psychological abuse from her parents and Don? Quite possibly [[JerkassWoobie both at the same time]], but good luck getting two fans to agree.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: AlternativeCharacterInterpretation:
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Is Betty a paranoid, spoiled, and selfish bully? Or is she a victim of the times and years of psychological abuse from her parents and Don? Quite possibly [[JerkassWoobie both at the same time]], but good luck getting two fans to agree.
29th Apr '17 7:44:02 AM RobertMacQuarrie1
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** Did Bert Cooper brush off Pete Campbell's revelation about Don Draper's true identity in the first season because he truly didn't care? Or because Cooper plays the long game, deciding that Draper was more important in that moment than Campbell, and deciding to use that information later on when it could be used most effectively?
26th Apr '17 12:49:27 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* JerkassWoobie: Don. Both sides of the trope expand as the series goes on.

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* JerkassWoobie: Plenty.
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Don. Both sides of the trope expand as the series goes on.
24th Nov '16 1:54:15 PM toongrrl1990
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** AlphaBitch Joan: she was treated as a sex object by most of the men and it starts wearing her down, she was raped by her fiancee, humiliated by an ex, had a father who left her, and dealt with a corporation robbing her of her money and autonomy.
** Betty, as with Don, she has viewers both shaking their fists at her while wanting to console her.
10th Oct '16 12:38:31 PM DavidDelony
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** [[spoiler:Don's content grin]] in series finale became a meme almost overnight.

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** [[spoiler:Don's content grin]] in the series finale became a meme almost overnight.
7th Oct '16 12:53:40 PM DavidDelony
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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Aside from the obvious about the social injustices of the era against [[ButNotTooBlack Peop]][[InnocentBigot le]] [[YouAreACreditToYourRace of Color]] and [[YouHaveToHaveJews minorities]], [[SlobsVersusSnobs the working class]], [[StayInTheKitchen wom]][[AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits en]], [[DisabledMeansHelpless the disabled]], [[InsaneEqualsViolent the mentally ill]], [[HollywoodPersonalityDisorders addicted people]], [[AbusiveParents child]][[ParentalAbandonment ren]], and the [[HeteronormativeCrusader LGBTQ]] community along with how shallow advertising is and how [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Rape and Sexual Harassment are traumatic and humiliating for the victim and even those indirectly involved]] , there is a recurring theme of Self-Actualization and Acceptance. How people need to accept themselves for how they are while growing as people along the way, even if they don't change completely, they need to work within their own psyche and realize their full potential. And that everyone deserves some love.

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: Aside from the obvious about the social injustices of the era against [[ButNotTooBlack Peop]][[InnocentBigot le]] [[YouAreACreditToYourRace of Color]] and [[YouHaveToHaveJews minorities]], [[SlobsVersusSnobs the working class]], [[StayInTheKitchen wom]][[AcceptableFeminineGoalsAndTraits en]], [[DisabledMeansHelpless the disabled]], [[InsaneEqualsViolent the mentally ill]], [[HollywoodPersonalityDisorders addicted people]], [[AbusiveParents child]][[ParentalAbandonment ren]], and the [[HeteronormativeCrusader LGBTQ]] community along with how shallow advertising is and how [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil Rape and Sexual Harassment are traumatic and humiliating for the victim and even those indirectly involved]] , there is a recurring theme of Self-Actualization and Acceptance. How people need to accept themselves for how they are while growing as people along the way, even if they don't change completely, they need to work within their own psyche and realize their full potential. And that everyone deserves some love. We still have a long way to go on all these social issues, even in the 21st century.
24th Jul '16 2:19:35 AM Anddrix
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** Bob Benson (for those that [[BaseBreaker don't consider him]] TheScrappy) is this among quite a number of fans, due to his MagnificentBastard tendencies, his almost creepily optimistic nature, and the strength of James Wolk's performance. The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpUWrl3-mc8 "NOT GREAT, BOB"]] [[MemeticMutation meme]] that emerged following the Season 6 finale probably helped ascend him to this position.

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** Bob Benson (for those that [[BaseBreaker [[BaseBreakingCharacter don't consider him]] TheScrappy) is this among quite a number of fans, due to his MagnificentBastard tendencies, his almost creepily optimistic nature, and the strength of James Wolk's performance. The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpUWrl3-mc8 "NOT GREAT, BOB"]] [[MemeticMutation meme]] that emerged following the Season 6 finale probably helped ascend him to this position.
4th Jul '16 10:55:21 AM MFLuder
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** Kinsey growing a beard in season two becomes this after he writes a script for an episode of [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries]]. (Wrong show, right franchise.)

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** Kinsey growing a beard in season two becomes this after he writes a script for an episode of [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries]].''Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries''. (Wrong show, right franchise.)
4th Jul '16 10:54:22 AM MFLuder
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** Kinsey growing a beard in season two becomes this after he writes a script for an episode of [[Series/StarTrekTheOriginalSeries]]. (Wrong show, right franchise.)
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