History YMMV / LordOfTheClans

20th Sep '16 4:43:59 AM mdwall
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** Arguably just as bad is the fact that his entire relationship with Taretha would be considered physical and sexual abuse in any modern court. Threatening someone with the life of her surrogate brother and with exposing the fact that someone close to her had nursed him (which would be seen as monstrous to most humans on Azeroth) in order to make them take beatings and sleep with them is just as bad as any other form of beating/rape.
8th Apr '15 10:45:38 AM MinisterOfSinister
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* {{The Dog Shot First}}: No. But below above why some see it that way. While the novel's depiction of humans is bad the novel is set after 2 wars the Orcs started winning the first one and being responsible for mass murder and enslavement of the intelligent dragons. Even the current {{retcon}} paints the Orcs as invading Azeroth because they themselves very nearly destroyed their own world.

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* {{The Dog Shot First}}: No. But below above why some see it that way. While the novel's depiction of humans is bad bad, the novel is set after 2 two wars the Orcs orcs started winning first, and the first one and being orcs were still responsible for mass murder and enslavement of the intelligent dragons. beings (the dragons). Even the current {{retcon}} paints the Orcs orcs as invading Azeroth because they themselves very nearly destroyed their own world.world, which could have been avoided by refusing to cooperate with the Legion.



* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft, ignoring that even with the {{Retcon}}s, the orcs still tried to exterminate them.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft, ignoring that even with the {{Retcon}}s, {{retcon}}s, the orcs still tried to exterminate them.
8th Mar '15 8:32:59 AM Phoenixion
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* WhatAnIdiot: Explain to me your reasons for taking your wife and child with you on that perilous journey to Doomhammer, Durotan? Needless to say, this act leads to his son being enslaved by humans.

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* TearJerker: [[spoiler: When he was young, a captive Orc broke free and ran towards Thrall, screaming a phrase repeatedly in orcish before being cut down. Thrall assumed it was was an attack or challenge. Grom later translates it for Thrall; the orc was actually yelling "Run! I will protect you!"]]
* WhatAnIdiot: Explain to me your reasons for taking your wife and child with you on that perilous journey to Doomhammer, Durotan? Needless to say, this act leads to his son being enslaved by humans.humans.
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17th Feb '14 9:53:55 AM TVRulezAgain
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* CompleteMonster: Blackmoore is an annoying little SmugSnake for most of the book, but by the end there's literally nothing redeemable about him.
** In fairness, a lot of this is down to no one in his life ever showing him any respect despite all his efforts. Thrall later reflects on that Blackmoore did indeed make a particular effort to treat him as nicely as he knew how. It's just that he wasn't very good at it.
** He does later concede that the last beating he gave Thrall might have been a little much.
16th Sep '13 8:03:11 PM megazilla
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* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft.

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* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft.Warcraft, ignoring that even with the {{Retcon}}s, the orcs still tried to exterminate them.
15th Jun '13 4:00:03 PM HallowHawk
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** Undoubtedly, the ultimate crowning moment of evil is [[spoiler: murdering Taretha and throwing down her severed head just to screw with Thrall's head. Granted, she had betrayed him, but throwing her head to Thrall was unnecessary, and refusing an opportunity to surrender cost the lives of more than a few of Durnholde's defender.]]

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** Undoubtedly, the ultimate crowning moment of evil is [[spoiler: murdering Taretha and throwing down her severed head just to screw with Thrall's head. Granted, she had betrayed him, but throwing her head to Thrall was unnecessary, and refusing an opportunity to surrender cost the lives of more than a few of Durnholde's defender.defenders.]]
19th May '13 11:56:13 PM Korm
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* {{Narm}}: Some might find Christie Golden's prose to be replete with this. But the manner in which the Orcs talk is more particular example of this. Aside from that, Draka spitting in Durotan's face and how we're supposed to take that as being an expression of their mutual love is... well.

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* {{Narm}}: Some might find Christie Golden's prose to be replete with this. But the manner in which the Orcs talk is a more particular example of this. Aside from that, Draka spitting in Durotan's face and how we're supposed to take that as being an expression of their mutual love is... well.
20th Apr '13 12:50:55 AM Korm
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** In fairness, a lot of this is down to no one in his life ever showing him any respect despite all his efforts. Thrall later reflects on that Blackmoore did indeed make a particular effort to treat him as nicely as he knew how. It's just that he wasn't very good at it.
** He does later concede that the last beating he gave Thrall might have been a little much.



* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft.

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* {{Narm}}: Some might find Christie Golden's prose to be replete with this. But the manner in which the Orcs talk is more particular example of this. Aside from that, Draka spitting in Durotan's face and how we're supposed to take that as being an expression of their mutual love is... well.
* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft.Warcraft.
* WhatAnIdiot: Explain to me your reasons for taking your wife and child with you on that perilous journey to Doomhammer, Durotan? Needless to say, this act leads to his son being enslaved by humans.
24th Feb '13 6:24:00 AM Austin
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* {{The Dog Shot First}}: No. But see above why some see it that way. While the novel's depiction of humans is bad the novel is set after 2 wars the Orcs started winning the first one and being responsible for mass murder and enslavement of the intelligent dragons. Even the current {{retcon}} paints the Orcs as invading Azeroth because they themselves very nearly destroyed their own world.

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* {{The Dog Shot First}}: No. But see below above why some see it that way. While the novel's depiction of humans is bad the novel is set after 2 wars the Orcs started winning the first one and being responsible for mass murder and enslavement of the intelligent dragons. Even the current {{retcon}} paints the Orcs as invading Azeroth because they themselves very nearly destroyed their own world.
24th Feb '13 6:22:49 AM Austin
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* BestKnownForTheFanservice: or {{jerkass}} but even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft.



** Undoubtedly, the ultimate crowning moment of evil is [[spoiler: murdering Taretha and throwing down her severed head just to screw with Thrall's head. Granted, she had betrayed him, but throwing her head to Thrall was unnecessary, and refusing an opportunity to surrender cost the lives of more than a few of Durnholde's defender.]]

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** Undoubtedly, the ultimate crowning moment of evil is [[spoiler: murdering Taretha and throwing down her severed head just to screw with Thrall's head. Granted, she had betrayed him, but throwing her head to Thrall was unnecessary, and refusing an opportunity to surrender cost the lives of more than a few of Durnholde's defender.]]]]
* NeverLiveItDown: Even though there had to multiple prisons for the imprisoned Orc's armies this novel's depiction of a single camp is often cited as why {{humans are the real monsters}} in Warcraft.
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