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15th Jun '16 7:24:56 PM SamuraiMarmoset
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** The item crafting in Akira's chapter. After a certain event, Toei will be able to upgrade items in your inventory into theoretically better ones, as well as robot accessories Taro (and Cube in the final chapter) can use for new attacks. The problem is, you're never given any indication what items will turn into what, or that some items can upgrade multiple times, and sometimes when they're upgraded, there are multiple items they can become, and it's completely randomized what item you will actually get. Also whenever you want to initiate item crafting, you're subjected to an annoyingly long segment of Toei thinking and thinking before rushing off downstairs to craft the item. And perhaps most frustratingly of all, most of the time you'll go through this and not get anything at all with Toei simply saying "Oops, I messed up." While you don't lose the item you tried to have upgraded (and thus are free to immediately try again) it forces you to sit through the lengthy sequence of Toei thinking and rushing downstairs, often times just to fail again. Lots of patience, SaveScumming and an FAQ are required if you want to get the absolute best equipment for Akira's chapter.
15th May '16 10:50:01 AM GeminiSparkSP
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* ShoutOut: The six rivals in the Present chapter are arrayed on a blue background, in the same style as ''VideoGame/MegaManClassic'' or ''VideoGame/StreetFighter''.
** Pogo's second-best weapon is [[Film/TheGodsMustBeCrazy a soda bottle]].
15th May '16 10:44:20 AM GeminiSparkSP
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* FridgeBrilliance:
** It seems rather jarring (although not unexpected for RPG standards) for [[spoiler:Oersted]] a.k.a. Odio, the friggin Demon King, to be beatable. However, recall Uranus and Hash's words: "As long as there is someone who believes in you". The little kid does in fact still believe in him, even after his death. No wonder Odio is beatable. He wasn't being hated enough.
** The main theme is somewhat strange compared to most RPG themes, in that it starts out strong before it gets to the main melody, instead of building up to it. This is because the main theme is actually half of a song, starting roughly in the middle. The first half? [[spoiler:"Wings that Never Reach," aka Oersted's Theme.]] Part of the latter song has the ''exact same notes'' as the first part of the former, as if they were meant to segue directly from one to the other.
* FridgeHorror: On Oersted's [[spoiler:second visit to Devil's Peak]], the enemies are all named after various phobias, making it seem like a rather literal form of [[FaceYourFears facing your fears]]. However, [[spoiler:quite a few of these enemies take the form of [[CuteMonsterGirl scantily-clad young women,]] and [[ThatOneBoss the strongest of them]] is called [[SexIsEvil "Gynophobia."]]]] If Oersted ''is'' facing his fears in this dungeon, then maybe [[spoiler:[[GameplayAndStoryIntegration the reason so many of those monsters look like women]] is because he's slowly starting to have doubts over [[RealityEnsues whether Alicia will really forgive him for accidentally murdering her father]].]] Then [[spoiler:he runs into Straybow and Alicia]], and pretty much all his worst fears are confirmed in the span of a few minutes. For a HeroicMime, Oersted has ''issues''...
6th May '16 12:25:13 AM GoldenSeals
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For someone who can be possibly KilledOffForReal and be only an afterthought, Li is very popular for the fandom, due to her being [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the sole female that can be in the final party]], and her overall ActionGirl quality. Oersted, due to the {{Troperiffic}}-ness could count, but ultimately he's not, as he's [[spoiler:actually the main antagonist Odio.]]

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: For someone who can be possibly KilledOffForReal and be only an afterthought, Li is very popular for the fandom, due to her being [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the sole female that can be in the final party]], and her overall ActionGirl quality. Oersted, due to the {{Troperiffic}}-ness could count, but ultimately he's not, as he's [[spoiler:actually the main antagonist Odio.]]



** [[spoiler:Oersted/Odio]] could count, too. Granted, [[spoiler:he ''is'' the main villain of the game and wants to punish all of humanity and ruin many people's lives, but considering all he went through that led to his turn to villainy, it's hard not to feel at least a little sorry for the guy]].

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** [[spoiler:Oersted/Odio]] could count, too. Granted, [[spoiler:Oersted/Odio]], even though [[spoiler:he ''is'' the main villain of the game and wants to punish all of humanity and ruin many people's lives, but lives]], considering all he went through that led to his turn to villainy, it's hard not to feel at least a little sorry for the guy]].through.
16th Apr '16 12:52:54 PM Luigifan
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** Level up Sundown enough in the [[spoiler:final]] chapter, and he learns an ability that can usually do 999 damage in one hit, making almost ''every'' fight an AntiClimaxBoss. [[spoiler: Then again, O. Dio can also do [[ThatOneAttack 999 damage]] ''[[ThatOneAttack to you]]'' if you're not careful, so [[RocketTagGameplay fair is fair]].]]

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** Level up Sundown enough in the [[spoiler:final]] chapter, and he learns an ability that can usually do 999 damage in one hit, making almost ''every'' fight an AntiClimaxBoss. [[spoiler: Then [[spoiler:Then again, O. Dio can also do [[ThatOneAttack 999 damage]] ''[[ThatOneAttack to you]]'' if you're not careful, so [[RocketTagGameplay fair is fair]].]]



** Alicia can be seen as either two ways. A) [[spoiler: Always in love with Straybow and Oersted was just reading too much into context.]] Or B) [[spoiler: Shallow typical ditzy princess who only crushed on Oersted after kicking ass in the tournament and was easily seduced and manipulated by Straybow, whom simply wanted to ruin Oersted out of hate either way.]] Depends entirely on how much you read into things really.
** She can also be viewed in more of a sympathetic light, in that [[spoiler: she truly did have feelings for Oersted but was [[MoreThanMindControl emotionally]] [[StockholmSyndrome manipulated]] into falling in love with Straybow]]. If you buy into the idea that [[spoiler: Straybow was the one behind her kidnapping in the first place]], this seems like a perfectly viable interpretation.
** Straybow can be either [[spoiler: a manipulative, petty man, who decided that ruining the life of his 'best friend' was the best way to finally stick it to the guy]] or he could simply be [[spoiler: a man, whose inferiority complex towards his best friend has been eating away at him for years, with a likely just as longstanding, unrequited love for the princess, and simply snapped, when a moment arosed that gave him a chance to fulfill his own selfish want, even if it was just for a short while]].
** [[spoiler:Oersted himself]] can also qualify. Think about it this way: [[spoiler:once he became Odio, he said he would make "humanity see the folly on their selfishness"]]. Did he really [[spoiler:snapped at the end, or he was actually doing what he believed was the only way he could help humanity?]] After all, once you take control of him you see he could [[spoiler:trigger Armageddon very easily all by himself.]]

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** Alicia can be seen as either two ways. A) [[spoiler: Always [[spoiler:Always in love with Straybow and Oersted was just reading too much into context.]] Or B) [[spoiler: Shallow [[spoiler:Shallow typical ditzy princess who only crushed on Oersted after kicking ass in the tournament and was easily seduced and manipulated by Straybow, whom simply wanted to ruin Oersted out of hate either way.]] Depends entirely on how much you read into things really.
** She can also be viewed in more of a sympathetic light, in that [[spoiler: she [[spoiler:she truly did have feelings for Oersted but was [[MoreThanMindControl emotionally]] [[StockholmSyndrome manipulated]] into falling in love with Straybow]]. If you buy into the idea that [[spoiler: Straybow [[spoiler:Straybow was the one behind her kidnapping in the first place]], this seems like a perfectly viable interpretation.
** Straybow can be either [[spoiler: a [[spoiler:a manipulative, petty man, who decided that ruining the life of his 'best friend' was the best way to finally stick it to the guy]] guy]], or he could simply be [[spoiler: a man, [[spoiler:a man whose inferiority complex towards his best friend has been eating away at him for years, with a likely just as longstanding, unrequited love for the princess, and simply snapped, snapped when a moment arosed arose that gave him a chance to fulfill his own selfish want, even if it was just for a short while]].
** [[spoiler:Oersted himself]] can also qualify. Think about it this way: [[spoiler:once he became Odio, he said he would make "humanity see the folly on of their selfishness"]]. Did he really [[spoiler:snapped [[spoiler:snap at the end, or he was he actually doing what he believed was the only way he could help humanity?]] After all, once you take control of him you see he could [[spoiler:trigger Armageddon very easily all by himself.]]



** Check out Project Sync's remix of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omwum4TDUHk Wings that Don't Reach]]. [[spoiler: There's also a surprise remix of the Main Theme in the middle.]]

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** Check out Project Sync's remix of [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omwum4TDUHk Wings that Don't Reach]]. [[spoiler: There's [[spoiler:There's also a surprise remix of the Main Theme in the middle.]]



* ClicheStorm: One way in which the game suffers is its short chapters - the plots are general and predictable, and you tend to know exactly what you're getting from them. Whether that's a bad thing is up to your interpretation, but [[spoiler:it gets hit ''hard'' with subversion near the end of the game]] either way.

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* ClicheStorm: One way in which the game suffers is its short chapters - the plots are general and predictable, and you tend to know exactly what you're getting from them. Whether that's a bad thing is up to your interpretation, but [[spoiler:it gets hit ''hard'' with a subversion near the end of the game]] either way.



* EnsembleDarkhorse -- For someone who can be possibly KilledOffForReal and be only an afterthought, Li is very popular for the fandom, due to her being [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the sole female that can be in the final party]], and her overall ActionGirl quality. Oersted, due to the {{Troperiffic}}-ness could count, but ultimately he's not, as he's [[spoiler:actually the main antagonist Odio.]]

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* EnsembleDarkhorse -- EnsembleDarkhorse: For someone who can be possibly KilledOffForReal and be only an afterthought, Li is very popular for the fandom, due to her being [[TheSmurfettePrinciple the sole female that can be in the final party]], and her overall ActionGirl quality. Oersted, due to the {{Troperiffic}}-ness could count, but ultimately he's not, as he's [[spoiler:actually the main antagonist Odio.]]



** The main theme is somewhat strange compared to most RPG themes, in that it starts out strong before it gets to the main melody, instead of building up to it. This is because the main theme is actually half of a song, starting roughly in the middle. The first half? [[spoiler: "Wings that Never Reach," aka Oersted's Theme.]] Part of the latter song has the ''exact same notes'' as the first part of the former, as if they were meant to segue directly from one to the other.
* FridgeHorror: On Oersted's [[spoiler: second visit to Devil's Peak]], the enemies are all named after various phobias, making it seem like a rather literal form of [[FaceYourFears facing your fears]]. However, [[spoiler: quite a few of these enemies take the form of [[CuteMonsterGirl scantily-clad young women,]] and [[ThatOneBoss the strongest of them]] is called [[SexIsEvil "Gynophobia."]]]] If Oersted ''is'' facing his fears in this dungeon, then maybe [[spoiler: [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration the reason so many of those monsters look like women]] is because he's slowly starting to have doubts over [[RealityEnsues whether Alicia will really forgive him for accidentally murdering her father]].]] Then [[spoiler: he runs into Straybow and Alicia]], and pretty much all his worst fears are confirmed in the span of a few minutes. For a HeroicMime, Oersted has ''issues''...

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** The main theme is somewhat strange compared to most RPG themes, in that it starts out strong before it gets to the main melody, instead of building up to it. This is because the main theme is actually half of a song, starting roughly in the middle. The first half? [[spoiler: "Wings [[spoiler:"Wings that Never Reach," aka Oersted's Theme.]] Part of the latter song has the ''exact same notes'' as the first part of the former, as if they were meant to segue directly from one to the other.
* FridgeHorror: On Oersted's [[spoiler: second [[spoiler:second visit to Devil's Peak]], the enemies are all named after various phobias, making it seem like a rather literal form of [[FaceYourFears facing your fears]]. However, [[spoiler: quite [[spoiler:quite a few of these enemies take the form of [[CuteMonsterGirl scantily-clad young women,]] and [[ThatOneBoss the strongest of them]] is called [[SexIsEvil "Gynophobia."]]]] If Oersted ''is'' facing his fears in this dungeon, then maybe [[spoiler: [[GameplayAndStoryIntegration [[spoiler:[[GameplayAndStoryIntegration the reason so many of those monsters look like women]] is because he's slowly starting to have doubts over [[RealityEnsues whether Alicia will really forgive him for accidentally murdering her father]].]] Then [[spoiler: he [[spoiler:he runs into Straybow and Alicia]], and pretty much all his worst fears are confirmed in the span of a few minutes. For a HeroicMime, Oersted has ''issues''...



** [[spoiler: Playing as [=Oersted/Odio=] in the final chapter. Remember how all of Odio's incarnations have a ThatOneAttack? Well, now you can use all of them, freely. Plus [[DesperationAttack you always have]] [[TakingYouWithMe Armageddon]] if you're somehow still losing. This also leads to a bit of FridgeHorror: Odio's been going easy on you this whole time. If he fought with half the skill he has while under your control, the game would have been unwinnable.]]

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** [[spoiler: Playing [[spoiler:Playing as [=Oersted/Odio=] in the final chapter. Remember how all of Odio's incarnations have a ThatOneAttack? Well, now you can use all of them, freely. Plus [[DesperationAttack you always have]] [[TakingYouWithMe Armageddon]] if you're somehow still losing. This also leads to a bit of FridgeHorror: Odio's been going easy on you this whole time. If he fought with half the skill he has while under your control, the game would have been unwinnable.]]



* NarmCharm - [[spoiler:Matsu, after drinking himself silly, exclaims "MASSU AYN'T DED!!" while piloting Buriki Daioh]] It actually adds onto the epic feel of the scene.

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* NarmCharm - [[spoiler:Matsu, after drinking himself silly, exclaims "MASSU AYN'T DED!!" while piloting Buriki Daioh]] Daioh.]] It actually adds onto the epic feel of the scene.



* ScrappyMechanic: O-Robo's weaknesses in Oboro's scenario. Fall down pits, O-Robo breaks. If O-Robo is submerged in water for too long, he breaks. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking If O-Robo sees a mouse, he freaks out and attacks you]]. Especially the middle one is horrible if one does the PacifistRun ''and'' attempts to fight the {{BonusBoss}}es in the scenario. [[spoiler: Since, in order to level up Oboro and O-Robo without it counting as a kill, the player must make it all the way back to the room with the spirits and level up from there, meaning they need to make it through the moat twice.]]

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* ScrappyMechanic: O-Robo's weaknesses in Oboro's scenario. Fall down pits, O-Robo breaks. If O-Robo is submerged in water for too long, he breaks. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking If O-Robo sees a mouse, he freaks out and attacks you]]. Especially the middle one is horrible if one does the PacifistRun ''and'' attempts to fight the {{BonusBoss}}es in the scenario. [[spoiler: Since, [[spoiler:Since, in order to level up Oboro and O-Robo without it counting as a kill, the player must make it all the way back to the room with the spirits and level up from there, meaning they need to make it through the moat twice.]]



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped -- The game's theme is obvious but handled tastefully - [[spoiler: Anyone can become a villain with enough hatred.]]

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped -- The game's theme is obvious but handled tastefully - [[spoiler: Anyone -- [[spoiler:anyone can become a villain with enough hatred.]]



** Lord Iwama, mostly if you attempted a pacifist Oboro run.)

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** Lord Iwama, mostly if you attempted a pacifist Oboro run.)



** [[spoiler:Oersted/Odio]] could count, too. Granted,[[spoiler:he ''is'' the main villain of the game and wants to punish all of humanity and ruin many people's lives, but considering all he went through that led to his turn to villainy, it's hard not to feel at least a little sorry for the guy]].
** The Xin Shan Quan Inheritor [[spoiler: regardless of who that ends up being. They come to lose their entire adoptive family-in Li and Sammo's case, the only family they actually have (Yuan at least still has his grandmother)-and their beloved Master, who taught them all his secrets and gave them a better life dies in their arms after giving them some last words of encouragement. At the end the Inheritor is left to rebuild the school and keep training a new generation of Xin Shan Quan students alone, but with the knowledge that the Master and the other two students are watching over them.]]

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** [[spoiler:Oersted/Odio]] could count, too. Granted,[[spoiler:he Granted, [[spoiler:he ''is'' the main villain of the game and wants to punish all of humanity and ruin many people's lives, but considering all he went through that led to his turn to villainy, it's hard not to feel at least a little sorry for the guy]].
** The Xin Shan Quan Inheritor [[spoiler: regardless [[spoiler:regardless of who that ends up being. They come to lose their entire adoptive family-in family -- in Li and Sammo's case, the only family they actually have (Yuan at least still has his grandmother)-and grandmother) -- and their beloved Master, who taught them all his secrets and gave them a better life dies in their arms after giving them some last words of encouragement. At the end the Inheritor is left to rebuild the school and keep training a new generation of Xin Shan Quan students alone, but with the knowledge that the Master and the other two students are watching over them.]]
11th Apr '16 2:44:25 PM GastonRabbit
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* BreatherLevel:
** Cube's chapter only has one required boss battle, and it doesn't have a single GuideDangit. [[spoiler:That doesn't [[NothingIsScarier mean]] it's boring or that you can't die in it...]]
** Sundown's chapter has a total of five battles, of which one is optional (and eliminates one of the others if you choose to fight), three are laughably easy, and one is against the chapter's boss [[spoiler:and can be made significantly easier depending on how you set the traps]].
* ClicheStorm: One way in which the game suffers is its short chapters - the plots are general and predictable, and you tend to know exactly what you're getting from them. Whether that's a bad thing is up to your interpretation, but [[spoiler:it gets hit ''hard'' with subversion near the end of the game]] either way.
** Arguably one of the strongest points of the game. [[spoiler:Having you play through seven heavily cliched scenarios means you probably won't expect the massive PlayerPunch in Oersted's chapter and his eventual FaceHeelTurn / StartOfDarkness, making them that much more effective.]] Then there's the final chapter, in which [[spoiler:you can play as the villain and either just [[TheHeroDies kill all the heroes]] or [[ApocalypseHow straight up destroy the world]]. Either way, TheBadGuyWins.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:

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* BreatherLevel:
** Cube's chapter only has one required boss battle, and it doesn't have a single GuideDangit. [[spoiler:That doesn't [[NothingIsScarier mean]] it's boring or that you can't die in it...]]
** Sundown's chapter has a total of five battles, of which one is optional (and eliminates one of the others if you choose to fight), three are laughably easy, and one is against the chapter's boss [[spoiler:and can be made significantly easier depending on how you set the traps]].
* ClicheStorm: One way in which the game suffers is its short chapters - the plots are general and predictable, and you tend to know exactly what you're getting from them. Whether that's a bad thing is up to your interpretation, but [[spoiler:it gets hit ''hard'' with subversion near the end of the game]] either way.
** Arguably one of the strongest points of the game. [[spoiler:Having you play through seven heavily cliched scenarios means you probably won't expect the massive PlayerPunch in Oersted's chapter and his eventual FaceHeelTurn / StartOfDarkness, making them that much more effective.]] Then there's the final chapter, in which [[spoiler:you can play as the villain and either just [[TheHeroDies kill all the heroes]] or [[ApocalypseHow straight up destroy the world]]. Either way, TheBadGuyWins.]]
* CrowningMusicOfAwesome:
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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB98XxvOJO4 The first ending theme]] qualifies as both Crowning Music of Awesome AND [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0hA8r3ZzM The second one]] is simply beautiful for not just an end to your overall quest, but a beautiful mix between many main themes.

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GB98XxvOJO4 The first ending theme]] qualifies as both Crowning Music of Awesome AND [[CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming Crowning Music of Heartwarming]].'''and''' [[SugarWiki/HeartwarmingMoments Heartwarming Music]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0hA8r3ZzM The second one]] is simply beautiful for not just an end to your overall quest, but a beautiful mix between many main themes.


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* BreatherLevel:
** Cube's chapter only has one required boss battle, and it doesn't have a single GuideDangit. [[spoiler:That doesn't [[NothingIsScarier mean]] it's boring or that you can't die in it...]]
** Sundown's chapter has a total of five battles, of which one is optional (and eliminates one of the others if you choose to fight), three are laughably easy, and one is against the chapter's boss [[spoiler:and can be made significantly easier depending on how you set the traps]].
* ClicheStorm: One way in which the game suffers is its short chapters - the plots are general and predictable, and you tend to know exactly what you're getting from them. Whether that's a bad thing is up to your interpretation, but [[spoiler:it gets hit ''hard'' with subversion near the end of the game]] either way.
** Arguably one of the strongest points of the game. [[spoiler:Having you play through seven heavily cliched scenarios means you probably won't expect the massive PlayerPunch in Oersted's chapter and his eventual FaceHeelTurn / StartOfDarkness, making them that much more effective.]] Then there's the final chapter, in which [[spoiler:you can play as the villain and either just [[TheHeroDies kill all the heroes]] or [[ApocalypseHow straight up destroy the world]]. Either way, TheBadGuyWins.]]
28th Feb '16 7:43:51 AM Jejmaze
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** Arguably one of the strongest points of the game. [[spoiler:Having you play through seven heavily cliched scenarios means you probably won't expect the massive PlayerPunch in Oersted's chapter and his eventual HeelFaceTurn / StartOfDarkness, making them that much more effective.]] Then there's the final chapter, in which [[spoiler:you can play as the villain and either just [[TheHeroDies kill all the heroes]] or [[ApocalypseHow straight up destroy the world]]. Either way, TheBadGuyWins.]]

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** Arguably one of the strongest points of the game. [[spoiler:Having you play through seven heavily cliched scenarios means you probably won't expect the massive PlayerPunch in Oersted's chapter and his eventual HeelFaceTurn FaceHeelTurn / StartOfDarkness, making them that much more effective.]] Then there's the final chapter, in which [[spoiler:you can play as the villain and either just [[TheHeroDies kill all the heroes]] or [[ApocalypseHow straight up destroy the world]]. Either way, TheBadGuyWins.]]
23rd Feb '16 11:05:22 AM Jejmaze
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** Arguably one of the strongest points of the game. [[spoiler:Having you play through seven heavily cliched scenarios means you probably won't expect the massive PlayerPunch in Oersted's chapter and his eventual HeelFaceTurn / StartOfDarkness, making them that much more effective.]] Then there's the final chapter, in which [[spoiler:you can play as the villain and either just [[TheHeroDies kill all the heroes]] or [[ApocalypseHow straight up destroy the world]]. Either way, TheBadGuyWins.]]
23rd Feb '16 10:46:42 AM Jejmaze
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** [[spoiler:[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PndENs2bULk Oersted's theme.]] Especially in the Final Chapter.]]

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** [[spoiler:[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PndENs2bULk Oersted's theme.theme, "Wings That Don't Reach".]] Especially in the Final Chapter.]]
1st Jan '16 8:27:19 PM finalsurvivor1
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* MoralEventHorizon: Each of the villains cross it, with the exception of Ode Iou and O. Dio as a result of not doing all that much:
** The Ku Tribe chief ordering Zaki and his underlings to capture Bel in order to sacrifice her to a dinosaur.
** Odi Wang Lee [[spoiler:killing two of the students]].
** Odie Oldbright [[spoiler:killing the other six opponents and joyfully describing how he did it]].
** Odeo's followers [[spoiler:sacrificing 2000 humans to revive Odeo]].
** OD-10 [[spoiler:killing Kirk and Hol while setting the Behemoth free]].
** [[spoiler:Straybow tricking Oersted into killing the king]].
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