History YMMV / Lensman

23rd Oct '15 12:34:36 AM SeptimusHeap
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** Mentor of Arisia is the king, but honorable mention goes to Nadreck the Palainian, exemplified when he single-handedly defeated a massively defended enemy fortress by secretly manipulating the inhabitants into a civil war that killed them all. He's so embarrassed that his planning and execution wasn't perfect,forcing him to deal with the last three survivors personally, that he only reveals the extent of this "failure" when ordered to do so, and refuses to discuss it further.
*** It says fortress, but Nadreck actually wipes out [[spoiler:an entire planet]] except for those three commanders.

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** Mentor of Arisia is the king, but honorable mention goes to Nadreck the Palainian, exemplified when he single-handedly defeated a massively defended wipes out an enemy fortress planet by secretly manipulating the inhabitants into a civil war that killed them all. He's so embarrassed that his planning and execution wasn't perfect,forcing him to deal with the last three survivors personally, that he only reveals the extent of this "failure" when ordered to do so, and refuses to discuss it further.
*** It says fortress, but Nadreck actually wipes out [[spoiler:an entire planet]] except for those three commanders.
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22nd Oct '15 3:13:20 PM Teleros
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*** It says fortress, but Nadreck actually wipes out [[spoiler:an entire planet]] except for those three commanders.
10th Apr '15 7:36:59 AM mlsmithca
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* CompleteMonster: Many, including both alien horrors such as the [[EmotionEater Delgonian Overlords]] and more mundane villains like [[TheSociopath Herkimer Herkimer III]]. Interestingly, the more overtly monstrous ones tend to be lower-level operatives, while the top tiers are more concerned with [[PragmaticVillainy ruthless efficiency]] than sadism.
** And then there is Kandron of Onlo, the horrible exception to that rule, who is best described as a superintelligent, sadistic SerialKiller with telepathic powers. Also the head of one of Boskonia's secret intelligence services.



* GeniusBonus ''Galactic Patrol'' includes a very amusing technobabble explanation for the unlikely properties of one of Smith's favorite inventions, Duodecpylatimate, AKA Duodec, the ultimate chemical explosive. You have to understand scientific notation to figure out the joke. Smith was reportedly delighted to be called out on this "mistake".
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: [[SerialKiller Kandron of Onlo]] is responsible for the worst of it, in ''Children of the Lens''. When Nadreck investigates him, he compiles a file of roughly a ''thousand'' cases of hitherto respected and admired citizens suddenly committing the most unthinkably savage and sadistic violent crimes (due to Kandron's [[BrainWashed brainwashing]]). The description includes summaries of a few of them, which are probably enough to give sensitive persons nightmares.

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* GeniusBonus GeniusBonus: ''Galactic Patrol'' includes a very amusing technobabble explanation for the unlikely properties of one of Smith's favorite inventions, Duodecpylatimate, AKA Duodec, the ultimate chemical explosive. You have to understand scientific notation to figure out the joke. Smith was reportedly delighted to be called out on this "mistake".
* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: MagnificentBastard:
** Mentor of Arisia is the king, but honorable mention goes to Nadreck the Palainian, exemplified when he single-handedly defeated a massively defended enemy fortress by secretly manipulating the inhabitants into a civil war that killed them all. He's so embarrassed that his planning and execution wasn't perfect,forcing him to deal with the last three survivors personally, that he only reveals the extent of this "failure" when ordered to do so, and refuses to discuss it further.
** It's implied that Nadreck's entire ''species'' is [[PlanetOfHats like this]], except that Nadreck is the most capable of them (and one of the few willing to stick his neck out to perform tasks for the general good- a little). Palainians are among the stranger aliens in the history of science fiction, both physically and mentally, especially if you look at its early days when HumanAliens were the norm.
** Come on - what about Helmuth? He at least realised what he was up against and tried to take precautions; had Kinnison not already learned his lesson from an ''incredibly'' close brush with death that he was lucky to survive, he'd have been toast.
** It is a measure of Kinnison's respect for the man that even two novels later, he would look at a sloppy Boskonian defensive emplacement and go 'You know, ''Helmuth'' wouldn't have screwed this one up.'
* MainstreamObscurity: Despite being one of the TropeCodifier of modern Space Operas, it isn't a very well known series.
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[[SerialKiller Kandron of Onlo]] is responsible for the worst of it, in ''Children of the Lens''. When Nadreck investigates him, he compiles a file of roughly a ''thousand'' cases of hitherto respected and admired citizens suddenly committing the most unthinkably savage and sadistic violent crimes (due to Kandron's [[BrainWashed brainwashing]]). The description includes summaries of a few of them, which are probably enough to give sensitive persons nightmares.



*** The brief but haunting description of how the minds of the Overlords' surviving victims work after they have had their way with them in ''Children of the Lens'' makes their ''routine'' procedures at ''least'' as horrifying as anything Kandron ever did.

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*** ** The brief but haunting description of how the minds of the Overlords' surviving victims work after they have had their way with them in ''Children of the Lens'' makes their ''routine'' procedures at ''least'' as horrifying as anything Kandron ever did.



* MagnificentBastard - Mentor of Arisia is the king, but honorable mention goes to Nadreck the Palainian, exemplified when he single-handedly defeated a massively defended enemy fortress by secretly manipulating the inhabitants into a civil war that killed them all. He's so embarrassed that his planning and execution wasn't perfect,forcing him to deal with the last three survivors personally, that he only reveals the extent of this "failure" when ordered to do so, and refuses to discuss it further.
** It's implied that Nadreck's entire ''species'' is [[PlanetOfHats like this]], except that Nadreck is the most capable of them (and one of the few willing to stick his neck out to perform tasks for the general good- a little). Palainians are among the stranger aliens in the history of science fiction, both physically and mentally, especially if you look at its early days when HumanAliens were the norm.
** Come on - what about Helmuth? He at least realised what he was up against and tried to take precautions; had Kinnison not already learned his lesson from an ''incredibly'' close brush with death that he was lucky to survive, he'd have been toast.
*** It is a measure of Kinnison's respect for the man that even two novels later, he would look at a sloppy Boskonian defensive emplacement and go 'You know, ''Helmuth'' wouldn't have screwed this one up.'
* MainstreamObscurity: Despite being one of the TropeCodifier of modern Space Operas, it isn't a very well known series.



* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: The ''Lensman'' books are quite free of political preaching by the standards of modern sci-fi, but one thing that ''is'' made clear is that the author [[DrugsAreBad doesn't like habit-forming drugs]]. {{Eldritch Abomination}}s may be the {{Big Bad}}s of the plot, but the real monsters are the drug dealers, who suffer unconditional death penalty when captured. In one prequel book, there's also a mild AuthorTract on the evils of drugs, including a couple of lines that are well summed up, though with some loss of nuance, [[EvenEvilHasStandards "Even the]] [[DirtyCommies Soviet Union]] [[EvenEvilHasStandards helped fight the international drug dealers.]] ''[[AnAesop That's]]'' [[AnAesop how bad drugs are."]]

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* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped: SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
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The ''Lensman'' books are quite free of political preaching by the standards of modern sci-fi, but one thing that ''is'' made clear is that the author [[DrugsAreBad doesn't like habit-forming drugs]]. {{Eldritch Abomination}}s may be the {{Big Bad}}s of the plot, but the real monsters are the drug dealers, who suffer unconditional death penalty when captured. In one prequel book, there's also a mild AuthorTract on the evils of drugs, including a couple of lines that are well summed up, though with some loss of nuance, [[EvenEvilHasStandards "Even the]] [[DirtyCommies Soviet Union]] [[EvenEvilHasStandards helped fight the international drug dealers.]] ''[[AnAesop That's]]'' [[AnAesop how bad drugs are."]]



* ValuesDissonance - When the series started, eugenics hadn't been [[GodwinsLaw discredited by association with the Nazis yet]], so aliens "encouraging" Earth's best and brightest to [[GeniusBreedingAct make babies with each other]] was seen as the proper thing for SufficientlyAdvancedAliens to do. Ironically, it doubles as in-universe values dissonance; the aliens see no moral issue with trying to make humanity do this.

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* ValuesDissonance - ValuesDissonance:
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When the series started, eugenics hadn't been [[GodwinsLaw discredited by association with the Nazis yet]], so aliens "encouraging" Earth's best and brightest to [[GeniusBreedingAct make babies with each other]] was seen as the proper thing for SufficientlyAdvancedAliens to do. Ironically, it doubles as in-universe values dissonance; the aliens see no moral issue with trying to make humanity do this.
9th Apr '15 12:23:01 PM IdumeanPatriot
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* CompleteMonster: Many, including both alien horrors such as the [[EmotionEater Delgonian Overlords]] and more mundane villains like [[TheSociopath Herkimer Herkimer III]]. Interestingly, the more overtly monstrous ones tend to be lower-level operatives, while the top tiers are more concerned with [[PragmaticVillainy ruthless efficiency]] than sadism.
** And then there is Kandron of Onlo, the horrible exception to that rule, who is best described as a superintelligent, sadistic SerialKiller with telepathic powers. Also the head of one of Boskonia's secret intelligence services.


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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: [[SerialKiller Kandron of Onlo]] is responsible for the worst of it, in ''Children of the Lens''. When Nadreck investigates him, he compiles a file of roughly a ''thousand'' cases of hitherto respected and admired citizens suddenly committing the most unthinkably savage and sadistic violent crimes (due to Kandron's [[BrainWashed brainwashing]]). The description includes summaries of a few of them, which are probably enough to give sensitive persons nightmares.
** The Delgonian Overlords are almost certainly objectively worse than Kandron, though their activities are thankfully not described in much detail. What they do to Kinnison in ''Gray Lensman'', though, ''almost'' matches him at his worst.
*** The brief but haunting description of how the minds of the Overlords' surviving victims work after they have had their way with them in ''Children of the Lens'' makes their ''routine'' procedures at ''least'' as horrifying as anything Kandron ever did.
** Herkimer Herkimer's treatment of Jill Samms in ''First Lensman''. Not quite up to the standards set above, but made worse by the fact that unlike the people in those entries, he is not a monstrous alien, but a human (and FauxAffablyEvil) psychopath.
** Kinnison's experiencing a planet subjected to Boskonia's covert [[MindVirus subliminal propaganda]] campaign. It's fast-acting enough that he can observe in real time how the planet goes from a happy and prosperous modern society to a CrapsackWorld under martial law and on the verge of imminent breakdown, as more and more its population goes crazier and crazier.
** On a more "realistic" scale, the description of one of Boskonia's SpacePirate subcontractors massacring one of the Patrol's hospital ships in ''Galactic Patrol''. It's not especially lurid or even graphic by modern standards, but it rams home very effectively the horrors of fighting a war against an utterly lawless enemy.
** Similarly, what can be deduced of [[AntiVillain Illona of Lonabar's]] life in Boskonia from her debriefings after the Patrol captures her -- And by implication, what life for ''most'' people in Boskonia may well be like. Again, [[HumansAreBastards Humans Are The Real Monsters]]. This one probably also qualifies as a TearJerker.
19th Jul '14 4:06:39 AM UltramanMattia
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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: The anime, according to Derek The Bard's review, especially during the battle between Kim and Helmuth.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItWasntMadeOnDrugs: The anime, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MN09SUtsgzI according to Derek The Bard's review, review]], especially during the battle between Kim and Helmuth.
14th Jul '14 9:54:00 PM UltramanMattia
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* SnarkBait: The series is often victim of this due to Smith's lackluster prose and SeinfeldIsUnfunny being in full effect.

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* SnarkBait: The series is often victim of this due to Smith's lackluster simplistic prose and SeinfeldIsUnfunny an ValuesDissonance being in full effect.
7th Jul '14 10:06:10 AM UltramanMattia
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* SnarkBait: The series is often victim of this due to Smith's lackluster prose and SeinfeldIsUnfunny being in full effect.
12th Apr '14 9:21:00 AM UltramanMattia
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* MainstreamObscurity: Despite being one of the TropeCodifier of modern Space Operas, it isn't a very well known series.


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* MainstreamObscurity: Despite being one of the TropeCodifier of modern Space Operas, it isn't a very well known series.
12th Apr '14 9:20:20 AM UltramanMattia
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* MainstreamObscurity: Despite being one of the TropeCodifier of modern Space Operas, it isn't a very well known series.
17th Feb '14 1:34:21 PM Specialist290
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* SerialNumbersFiledOff: The shareware game ''[[http://www.jalada.eu/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=179&Itemid=258 Children of Arisia]]'' takes place on the planet Medon, where the player, a third-level intellect, must fight against the forces of Boskone and the Overlords of Delgon who are attaching humanity via a hyper-spacial tube...

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* SerialNumbersFiledOff: The shareware game ''[[http://www.jalada.eu/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=179&Itemid=258 ''[[http://jalada-children-of-arisia.soft112.com/ Children of Arisia]]'' takes place on the planet Medon, where the player, a third-level intellect, must fight against the forces of Boskone and the Overlords of Delgon who are attaching humanity via a hyper-spacial tube...
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