History YMMV / LegendOfGalacticHeroes

6th Feb '17 4:29:42 PM binaroid
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* MoralEventHorizon: Oberstein keeps teetering on the edge, and arguably crosses it with [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] - made only worse by the fact that his actions proved to have an overall ''positive'' effect for Reinhard and his followers.

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Oberstein keeps teetering on the edge, and arguably crosses it with [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] - made only worse by the fact that his actions proved to have an overall ''positive'' effect for Reinhard and his followers.followers. [[spoiler:In the novels, both he and Reinhard charge straight toward the Horizon by simply and explicitly agreeing to let Westerland be attacked. The OVA adaptation has Oberstein give Reinhard an inaccurate estimate of how long he has to act; Oberstein quickly sends a recon probe to capture the propaganda footage, while Reinhard waffles and only sends in TheCavalry when [[YouAreTooLate it's too late]]. This results in Oberstein making a shallower approach, but still crossing the Moral Event Horizon.]]
23rd Dec '16 4:38:52 PM Deadbeatloser22
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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].
* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]

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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].
* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]
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23rd Dec '16 4:32:44 PM kkhohoho
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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016 a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]

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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]
23rd Dec '16 4:27:07 PM kkhohoho
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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[BarackObama In 2008, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that became decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]

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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[BarackObama [[DonaldTrump In 2008, 2016 a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that became could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]nowadays]]
23rd Dec '16 7:33:50 AM pharaohwewuz
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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag was elected into power and became President of a country that could become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups already starting to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]

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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump [[BarackObama In 2016, 2008, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could become became decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups already starting to run hate groups running rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]
22nd Nov '16 1:06:30 PM kkhohoho
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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag was elected into power and becomes President of a country that could become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups already starting to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]

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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag was elected into power and becomes became President of a country that could become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups already starting to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]
22nd Nov '16 1:05:53 PM kkhohoho
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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].

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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].results]].
*ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchbag was elected into power and becomes President of a country that could become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hategroups already starting to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]
8th Oct '16 9:36:07 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Duke (later Prince) Otho von Braunschweig]], heir to the Goldenbaum dynasty, acts swiftly to crush any hint of rebellion from any subordinate and shows no remorse at all at any deaths that occur. He continues the Goldenbaum dynasty's despicable policies of eugenics and oppression of the populace, but his crowning achievement of villainy is when protests against the Goldenbaums occur at the colony world of Westerland. Braunschweig just decides to kill every inhabitant on the world with a [[NukeEm nuclear strike]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Duke (later Prince) Prince Otho von Braunschweig]], heir to Braunchsweig]] is the son-in-law of Kaiser Frederich IV and the most ruthless member of the nobility. Dissatisfied with the former Kaiser's grandson being made the new ruler of the empire instead of Braunschweig's daughter, Braunschweig launched a civil war with the goal of seizing absolute power for himself. He continued the Goldenbaum dynasty, acts swiftly to crush any hint of rebellion from any subordinate and shows no remorse at all at any deaths that occur. He continues the Goldenbaum dynasty's Dynasty's despicable policies of eugenics eugenics, [[PoliticallyIncorrectVillain believing nobles to be inherently superior to commoners]], and oppression of allowed himself and his fellow aristocrats free reign in oppressing the populace, but planets under their control. [[SmugSnake Braunschweig]] was an [[GeneralFailure incompetent military leader]] who [[BadBoss treated his crowning achievement of villainy is when protests against subordinates terribly]], threatened a genius admiral's family to force the Goldenbaums occur at admiral to serve him, executed the sole surviving noble of a battle for merely suspecting him of treason, arrested his loyal right-hand advisor for privately criticizing one of Braunschweig's insane orders, and overall cared nothing for the soldiers whose lives he threw away in pursuit of his own personal glory. However, Braunschweig's most monstrous act was a crime known as the Westerland Massacre. When the colony world of Westerland. Westerland killed his oppressive nephew, Braunschweig just decides to kill every inhabitant on was outraged—not that his nephew had been killed but the world with fact that the commoners' "ingratitude" had killed a fellow aristocrat--and decided to MakeAnExampleOfThem by [[NukeEm nuclear strike]].nuking the entire planet]], murdering its entire population of two million civilians. Not only was this a war crime, but after it was carried out, it resulted in mass defections from his soldiers and [[EvenEvilHasStandards suicides from allied nobles]]. In a series filled to the brim with GreyAndGrayMorality, Braunschweig was by far the most despicable human being present, embodying the absolute worst of the [[AristocratsAreEvil corruption inherent in the Goldenbaum Dynasty's aristocracy]].
2nd Sep '16 1:54:10 PM Morgenthaler
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*** This is especially troublesome since the [[ImperialGermany actual history]] of [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic the Empire's obvious inspiration]] does [[UsefulNotes/OttoVonBismarck not leave]] [[FrancoPrussianWar much room]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI to be hopeful]] and [[AMillionIsAStatistic millions upon millions]] [[FascistButInefficient of reasons]] to be doubtful.

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*** This is especially troublesome since the [[ImperialGermany [[UsefulNotes/ImperialGermany actual history]] of [[TheSoundOfMartialMusic [[UsefulNotes/TheSoundOfMartialMusic the Empire's obvious inspiration]] does [[UsefulNotes/OttoVonBismarck not leave]] [[FrancoPrussianWar [[UsefulNotes/FrancoPrussianWar much room]] [[UsefulNotes/WorldWarI to be hopeful]] and [[AMillionIsAStatistic millions upon millions]] [[FascistButInefficient of reasons]] to be doubtful.
30th Aug '16 10:04:41 AM arisboch
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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Duke (later Prince) Otho von Braunschweig]], heir to the Goldenbaum dynasty, acts swiftly to crush any hint of rebellion from any subordinate and shows no remorse at all at any deaths that occur. He continues the Goldenbaum dynasty's despicable policies of eugenics and oppress to the populace, but his crowning achievement of villainy is when protests against the Goldenbaums occur at the colony world of Westerland. Braunschweig just decides to kill every inhabitant on the world with a [[NukeEm nuclear strike]].

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* CompleteMonster: [[TheEvilPrince Duke (later Prince) Otho von Braunschweig]], heir to the Goldenbaum dynasty, acts swiftly to crush any hint of rebellion from any subordinate and shows no remorse at all at any deaths that occur. He continues the Goldenbaum dynasty's despicable policies of eugenics and oppress to oppression of the populace, but his crowning achievement of villainy is when protests against the Goldenbaums occur at the colony world of Westerland. Braunschweig just decides to kill every inhabitant on the world with a [[NukeEm nuclear strike]].
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