History YMMV / LegendOfGalacticHeroes

30th Apr '16 11:04:30 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* RoleAssociation: You thought it was Kircheis, but it was [[Creator/TakehitoKoyasu me]], [[AnimeAndManga/JojosBizarreAdventure Dio]]!
28th Apr '16 5:59:56 PM GovernorExplosion
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* RoleAssociation: You thought it was, Kircheis, but it was [[Creator/TakehitoKoyasu me]], [[AnimeAndManga/JojosBizarreAdventure Dio]]!

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* RoleAssociation: You thought it was, was Kircheis, but it was [[Creator/TakehitoKoyasu me]], [[AnimeAndManga/JojosBizarreAdventure Dio]]!
28th Apr '16 5:59:35 PM GovernorExplosion
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* RoleAssociation: You thought it was, Kircheis, but it was [[Creator/TakehitoKoyasu me]], [[AnimeAndManga/JojosBizarreAdventure Dio]]!
28th Apr '16 5:52:58 PM GovernorExplosion
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** The screencap of "You may have killed millions of people, but at the very least, you made me happy." is sometimes used as a way to sum up the way people feel about their favorite morally questionable characters.



*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].

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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].
6th Dec '15 3:06:21 PM Specialist290
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Invoked very deliberately with most characters. The story is about the conflict between two galactic superpowers, and both sides have characters with sympathetic goals... whose means to reach those goals usually boil down to trying to destroy one another. The series also doesn't shy away from showing that even fundamentally good men sometimes make short-sighted decisions that end up hurting innocents, even if it looked like the right decision at the time.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Invoked very deliberately with most characters. The story is about the conflict between two galactic superpowers, and both sides have characters with sympathetic goals... whose means to reach those goals usually boil down to trying to destroy one another. The series also doesn't shy away from showing that even fundamentally good men sometimes make short-sighted decisions that end up hurting innocents, even if it looked like the right decision at the time.time, nor are they immune from acting rashly on self-interest or sentimentality.
6th Dec '15 3:04:18 PM Specialist290
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Invoked very deliberately with most characters.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Invoked very deliberately with most characters. The story is about the conflict between two galactic superpowers, and both sides have characters with sympathetic goals... whose means to reach those goals usually boil down to trying to destroy one another. The series also doesn't shy away from showing that even fundamentally good men sometimes make short-sighted decisions that end up hurting innocents, even if it looked like the right decision at the time.
17th Aug '15 6:33:52 AM phoenix
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* StoicWoobie: Oskar von Reuenthal. He has MommyIssues, which are his FreudianExcuse for never being able to form a lasting relationship with his lovers, knocks up a woman who ''[[SlapSlapKiss wanted to kill him]]'', and is wrongfully accused of treason ''twice'', the second time deciding to go along with it because he's too prideful to [[ClearMyName clear his name]] a second time despite knowing that he's outnumbered and will probably die. No wonder why he he's Mittermeyer's drinking buddy, who wouldn't want to buy the guy a drink (besides Oberstein and Lang)?

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* StoicWoobie: Oskar von Reuenthal. He has MommyIssues, mommy issues, which are his FreudianExcuse for never being able to form a lasting relationship with his lovers, knocks up a woman who ''[[SlapSlapKiss wanted to kill him]]'', and is wrongfully accused of treason ''twice'', the second time deciding to go along with it because he's too prideful to [[ClearMyName clear his name]] a second time despite knowing that he's outnumbered and will probably die. No wonder why he he's Mittermeyer's drinking buddy, who wouldn't want to buy the guy a drink (besides Oberstein and Lang)?
6th Aug '15 4:05:19 PM MagBas
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** Louis Mashengo. Yang Wenli never remembers who he is and often wonders why he is around. When taken out of context, it carries some rather UnfortunateImplications.

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** Louis Mashengo. Yang Wenli never remembers who he is and often wonders why he is around. When taken out of context, it carries some rather UnfortunateImplications.



** At some point, the narrator made the statement that the Alliances' democratic decay and eventual downfall was the result of them having an open door immigration policy, allowing immigrates that that don't share their social values to eventually erode away their republican principles while weakening their social structure. This has some very UnfortunateImplications, considering how similar this is to the rhetoric by some of the far-right political parties concerning immigration policy in their own countries.
31st Jul '15 1:48:10 PM phoenix
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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[NaziGermany disastrous results]].

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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[NaziGermany [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].
8th Jun '15 2:09:44 AM syndomatic
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* EstrogenBrigade: Not all that surprising in hindsight.
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