History YMMV / LegendOfGalacticHeroes

2nd Sep '17 11:29:12 AM Specialist290
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Invoked very deliberately with most characters. The story is about the conflict between two galactic superpowers, and both sides have characters with sympathetic goals... whose means to reach those goals usually boil down to trying to destroy one another. The series also doesn't shy away from showing that even fundamentally good men sometimes make short-sighted decisions that end up hurting innocents, even if it looked like the right decision at the time, nor are they immune from acting rashly on self-interest or sentimentality.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Invoked very deliberately with most characters. The story is about the conflict between two galactic superpowers, and both sides have characters with sympathetic goals... whose means to reach those goals usually boil down to trying to destroy one another.another, as those goals often conflict. The series also doesn't shy away from showing that even fundamentally good men sometimes make short-sighted decisions that end up hurting innocents, even if it looked like the right decision at the time, nor are they immune from acting rashly on self-interest or sentimentality.
30th Aug '17 10:40:48 PM gjjones
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** There's a moment as early as episode 17 where a character mentions to another that if he's in trouble, "I'll get you to come save me". [[spoiler: And then, around sixty episodes later, Yang is shot and dies, with Julian arriving minutes too late.]] He died within a single year after marrying [[spoiler:Frederica]], and during which they spent less then three months living in peace together. Considering how things turned out in the end, his inner monolog after proposing to her about how he didn't peruse her romantically before this point because he doesn't deserve family happiness becomes tragically accurate. It becomes more heartbreaking now that Creator/KeiTomiyama passed away.
** Oberstein's death became much sadder when Creator/KanetoShiozawa passed away.

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** There's a moment as early as episode 17 where a character mentions to another that if he's in trouble, "I'll get you to come save me". [[spoiler: And then, around sixty episodes later, Yang is shot and dies, with Julian arriving minutes too late.]] He died within a single year after marrying [[spoiler:Frederica]], and during which they spent less then three months living in peace together. Considering how things turned out in the end, his inner monolog after proposing to her about how he didn't peruse her romantically before this point because he doesn't deserve family happiness becomes tragically accurate. It becomes more heartbreaking now that Creator/KeiTomiyama passed away.
considering Creator/KeiTomiyama's death.
** Oberstein's death became can be much sadder when Creator/KanetoShiozawa passed away.you consider Creator/KanetoShiozawa's passing.
20th Aug '17 6:44:11 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: The series is essentially what happens when one combines ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (especially regarding the Empire) with ''Series/HouseOfCards'' (particularly highlighted by the Alliance), then giving the result a SpaceOpera treatment.
9th Aug '17 11:42:34 PM gjjones
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* HarsherInHindsight: There's a moment as early as episode 17 where a character mentions to another that if he's in trouble, "I'll get you to come save me". [[spoiler: And then, around sixty episodes later, Yang is shot and dies, with Julian arriving minutes too late.]]
** [[spoiler:Yang]] died within a single year after marrying [[spoiler:Frederica]], and during which they spent less then three months living in peace together. Considering how things turned out in the end, his inner monolog after proposing to her about how he didn't peruse her romantically before this point because he doesn't deserve family happiness becomes tragically accurate.

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* HarsherInHindsight: HarsherInHindsight
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There's a moment as early as episode 17 where a character mentions to another that if he's in trouble, "I'll get you to come save me". [[spoiler: And then, around sixty episodes later, Yang is shot and dies, with Julian arriving minutes too late.]]
** [[spoiler:Yang]]
]] He died within a single year after marrying [[spoiler:Frederica]], and during which they spent less then three months living in peace together. Considering how things turned out in the end, his inner monolog after proposing to her about how he didn't peruse her romantically before this point because he doesn't deserve family happiness becomes tragically accurate. It becomes more heartbreaking now that Creator/KeiTomiyama passed away.
** Oberstein's death became much sadder when Creator/KanetoShiozawa passed away.
31st Jul '17 5:48:53 PM Specialist290
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** Oberstein keeps teetering on the edge, and arguably crosses it with [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] - made only worse by the fact that his actions proved to have an overall ''positive'' effect for Reinhard and his followers. [[spoiler:In the novels, both he and Reinhard charge straight toward the Horizon by simply and explicitly agreeing to let Westerland be attacked. The OVA adaptation has Oberstein give Reinhard an inaccurate estimate of how long he has to act; Oberstein quickly sends a recon probe to capture the propaganda footage, while Reinhard waffles and only sends in TheCavalry when [[YouAreTooLate it's too late]]. This results in Oberstein making a shallower approach, but still crossing the Moral Event Horizon.]]

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** Oberstein keeps teetering on the edge, and arguably crosses it with [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] - made only worse by the fact that his actions proved to have an overall ''positive'' effect for Reinhard and his followers. [[spoiler:In the novels, both he and Reinhard charge straight toward the Horizon by simply and explicitly agreeing to let Westerland be attacked. The OVA adaptation has Oberstein give Reinhard an inaccurate estimate of how long he has to act; Oberstein quickly sends a recon probe to capture the propaganda footage, while Reinhard waffles and only sends in TheCavalry when [[YouAreTooLate it's too late]]. This results in Oberstein making a shallower approach, approach -- since it's possible the faulty estimate was a genuine fault based on bad intel -- but still crossing the Moral Event Horizon.]]]]
** Of course, one can't mention [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] without mentioning its architect, Otho von Braunschweig. There's a reason Oberstein's gambit worked -- nothing says "brutal, ruthless tyrant" like ordering [[spoiler:the casual annihilation of an entire planet's population for rebelling against him.]]
30th Jul '17 4:02:21 PM nombretomado
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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].

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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].results]].
* JustForFun/XMeetsY: The series is essentially what happens when one combines ''Series/GameOfThrones'' (especially regarding the Empire) with ''Series/HouseOfCards'' (particularly highlighted by the Alliance), then giving the result a SpaceOpera treatment.
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6th Feb '17 4:29:42 PM binaroid
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* MoralEventHorizon: Oberstein keeps teetering on the edge, and arguably crosses it with [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] - made only worse by the fact that his actions proved to have an overall ''positive'' effect for Reinhard and his followers.

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Oberstein keeps teetering on the edge, and arguably crosses it with [[spoiler:the Westerland incident]] - made only worse by the fact that his actions proved to have an overall ''positive'' effect for Reinhard and his followers.followers. [[spoiler:In the novels, both he and Reinhard charge straight toward the Horizon by simply and explicitly agreeing to let Westerland be attacked. The OVA adaptation has Oberstein give Reinhard an inaccurate estimate of how long he has to act; Oberstein quickly sends a recon probe to capture the propaganda footage, while Reinhard waffles and only sends in TheCavalry when [[YouAreTooLate it's too late]]. This results in Oberstein making a shallower approach, but still crossing the Moral Event Horizon.]]
23rd Dec '16 4:38:52 PM Deadbeatloser22
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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].
* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]

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*** What makes it troublesome is the way that it is portrayed : although the series is entirely willing to suggest that an enlightened autocracy may be preferable to a corrupt democracy, and that citizens themselves may prefer the rule of a dictator, it poisons an otherwise magnificent deconstruction of both arguments through a consistent bias in favor of the Empire. The portrayal of a corrupt democracy is far, far more convincing than the more one-dimensional portrayal of the Galactic Empire's corrupt autocracy, and Reinhard von Lohengramm's ascension and the defeat of the powerful nobles is treated like a panacea. Even without the worst of the nobles, the institutions that maintained them and the Empire's war machine, not to mention its ceaseless abuse of those not of Northern/Western European descent, are kept out of sight and out of mind throughout. Reinhard would never have been able to change the root of the problem and even if Hilda made the empire a parliamentary democracy, it is quite likely that the voters would decide to elect a militarist dictator through constitutional means. Which happened previously in series history as well as in real-life Germany with [[UsefulNotes/NaziGermany disastrous results]].
* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]
results]].
23rd Dec '16 4:32:44 PM kkhohoho
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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016 a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]

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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[DonaldTrump In 2016 2016, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays]]
23rd Dec '16 4:27:07 PM kkhohoho
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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[BarackObama In 2008, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that became decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]

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* ValuesResonance: In LegendOfGalacticHeroes, a narcissistic corrupt douchebag is elected into power and becomes Chairman of a country that ends up becoming decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running rampant. [[BarackObama [[DonaldTrump In 2008, 2016 a narcissistic corrupt douchebag was elected into power and became President of a country that became could possibly become decadent, corrupt, and inefficient, with hate groups running already staring to run rampant.]] [[{{Understatement}} You can see how this makes the series just a touch more relevant nowadays.]]nowadays]]
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