History YMMV / LegacyOfKain

8th Nov '17 3:19:04 PM DrakeClawfang
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* DisappointingLastLevel: ''Blood Omen 2'' - The game starts promising, and most stages are true to the "gothic", pseudo-medieval flavour of the games in the series, with some steampunk technology introduced to show that centuries had passed in the plot - an enjoyable and credible fantasy setting. [[spoiler: Then, the last few stages are set in a pseudo-sci-fi alien facility that would look more at home in a futuristic FPS than in a Legacy of Kain game. A game where its fun-factor was playing as a vampire, exploring atmospheric gothic/baroque architecture, attacking human guards and knights, was turned into a mishmash of genres where you have to find the switch to progress in bland similar corridors with little lights on the walls. The Hylden themselves, previously alluded to in ''Soul Reaver 2'', are something of a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere, but ''Defiance'' brings them more in-line with the feel of the setting.]]\\
** This is due to Blood Omen 2 being influenced by TWO canceled games that project lead Steve Ross had previously worked on. The first half of the game has elements of an unreleased Dreamcast title called Chakan 2 (a sequel to a Sega Genesis title) while the last part of Blood Omen 2 was influenced by a cancelled title called Sirens. Both unfinished games were entirely unrelated to each other hence the jarring differences when game elements were utilized in Blood Omen 2.

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* DisappointingLastLevel: ''Blood Omen 2'' - The game starts promising, and most stages are true to the "gothic", pseudo-medieval flavour of the games in the series, with some steampunk technology introduced to show that centuries had passed in the plot - an enjoyable and credible fantasy setting. [[spoiler: Then, the last few stages are set in a pseudo-sci-fi alien facility that would look more at home in a futuristic FPS than in a Legacy of Kain game. A game where its fun-factor was playing as a vampire, exploring atmospheric gothic/baroque architecture, attacking human guards and knights, was turned into a mishmash of genres where you have to find the switch to progress in bland similar corridors with little lights on the walls. The Hylden themselves, previously alluded to in ''Soul Reaver 2'', are something of a GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere, but ''Defiance'' brings them more in-line with the feel of the setting.]]\\
** This is due to Blood Omen 2 being influenced by TWO canceled games that project lead Steve Ross had previously worked on. The first half of the game has elements of an unreleased Dreamcast title called Chakan 2 (a sequel to a Sega Genesis title) while the last part of Blood Omen 2 was influenced by a cancelled title called Sirens. Both unfinished games were entirely unrelated to each other hence the jarring differences when game elements were utilized in Blood Omen 2.
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8th Nov '17 3:18:41 PM DrakeClawfang
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* HoYay: It doesn't matter whether or not you're wearing your slash goggles, some of the dialogue sounds... questionable.
** To point out some of the in-game examples, Raziel describes Janos as, "darkly beautiful" and Zephon says that Raziel is no longer "handsome" as a wraith.
** The last few bits of dialogue between Raziel and Kain in ''Defiance'' are blatantly slash-tastic.
*** Dialogue, hell. The blocking in the scene is extremely suggestive; [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Kain has Raziel pinned to a wall with his sword through him; when Kain tries to pull the sword out, Raziel grabs it and pulls it back in.]]
** At one point during ''Soul Reaver 2'', the Elder God flat-out states that Kain will "seduce" Raziel if he isn't careful. [[ThatCameOutWrong Granted, that probably wasn't what it meant, but still...]]

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* HoYay: It doesn't matter whether or not you're wearing your slash goggles, You don't need shipping goggles to see the mountains of subtext with Raziel and Kain. The two are obsessed with each other, and constantly talk about how the other is the key to their fate. Raziel particularly links Kain to his disfiguration, often lamenting he was good-looking in life. Then there's some of the dialogue sounds... questionable.
** To point out some of the in-game examples,
dialogue...
-->'''Zephon''': You are not His handsome
Raziel describes Janos as, "darkly beautiful" anymore. His precious first-born son...
-->'''Elder God''': To embrace a serpent is to invite poison into your heart. Kain is a sinuous beast; he will seduce
and Zephon says deceive you.
-->'''Kain''': Our destinies run together, Raziel, like two rivers
that Raziel is no longer "handsome" as a wraith.
have met and can never be distinct again.
** The last few bits end of dialogue between Raziel and Kain in ''Defiance'' are blatantly slash-tastic.
*** Dialogue, hell. The blocking
in the scene particular is extremely suggestive; [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything straight out of a slashfic. [[spoiler:[[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything Kain has Raziel pinned to a wall with his sword through him; him]]; when Kain tries to pull the sword out, Raziel grabs it and pulls it back in.]]
** At one point during ''Soul Reaver 2'', the Elder God flat-out states that Kain will "seduce"
]] And Raziel if he isn't careful. [[ThatCameOutWrong Granted, that probably wasn't what it meant, but still...]]is busy groaning and gasping as Kain stares at him in awe and horror. And the scene is capped out with Raziel putting his hand on Kain's chest while reassuring him "I am not your enemy, not your destroyer. I am, as before, your right hand..."
11th Sep '17 2:03:20 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** It takes place entirely in an alternate timeline created in ''Defiance'' and destroyed in ''Soul Reaver 2''. If you skip it you miss nothing [[spoiler: except an explanation of what the Hylden are, and how they relate to everything else in the setting]].

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** It takes place entirely in an alternate timeline created in ''Defiance'' and destroyed in ''Soul Reaver 2''. If you skip it you miss nothing [[spoiler: except an explanation of what the Hylden are, and how they relate to everything else in the setting]].setting which all gets repeated in ''Defiance'' anyway]].
11th Sep '17 2:00:56 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* BrokenBase: The announcement of ''Nosgoth'' created one between fans who were okay with the idea, and fans who were disgusted that after eleven years the series is brought back to life... bringing no resolution whatsoever to any lingering plot threads from ''Defiance'', not helped by the fact that since Nosgoth is a Team-based deathmatch game, the odds of any story ''at all'' are slim.

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* BrokenBase: The announcement of ''Nosgoth'' created one between fans who were okay with the idea, and fans who were disgusted that after eleven years the series is brought back to life... bringing no resolution whatsoever to any lingering plot threads from ''Defiance'', not helped by the fact that since Nosgoth is a Team-based deathmatch game, the odds of any story ''at all'' are slim. This was ultimately rendered irrelevant, as the game was canceled before it got out of beta testing.
24th Aug '17 4:34:29 AM UltraWanker
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** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtEfIMfKu_I Dark Temple]] theme is a great example of the series' dark ambient music direction.
16th Aug '17 10:30:38 PM CaptainMar-Vell92
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* SpiritualLicensee: These are probably the closest to TheElricSaga videgames we are gonna get.

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* SpiritualLicensee: These are probably the closest to TheElricSaga videgames videogames we are gonna get.
27th Jul '17 12:49:38 AM arrgh
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** It takes place entirely in an alternate timeline created in ''Defiance'' and destroyed in ''Soul Reaver 2''. If you skip it you miss nothing.

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** It takes place entirely in an alternate timeline created in ''Defiance'' and destroyed in ''Soul Reaver 2''. If you skip it you miss nothing.nothing [[spoiler: except an explanation of what the Hylden are, and how they relate to everything else in the setting]].
18th Jun '17 10:39:51 PM DrakeClawfang
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: It's entirely possible that characters other than Raziel have free will. Free will seems to be a matter of existing outside the normal laws of time and fate, like Raziel and the Elder God do. As the Timestreamer, able to freely see through time and travel forward and backwards as he wishes, Moebius seems like he would fit the bill for that description. And he ''does'' seek to actively change history a couple of times, despite the fact that the series claims that's impossible to do without free will. Kain definitely gains the power at change fate by the end of Defiance, but what gave him that power is ambiguous with all he goes through in the final chapters. And if only a select few individuals get to have free will, don't you think [[spoiler:the Scion of Balance, the prophesied figure who will save Nosgoth]], would be one of them?
22nd May '17 9:56:43 AM kikiandlala
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** Want to really crush the game? Just mind control a person and take them to a Wraithforge. Doing so, chains will descend to draw and quarter the poor victim. In return for this human sacrifice, the wraiths will give you 99 of whatever they make instead of the measly amount they normally hand out. Having 99 Hearts of Darkness almost guarantees you'll never have to retreat to your tomb.
1st May '17 11:23:09 AM UltraWanker
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** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhQoy9ibQ8 Sarafan stronghold]] is a very haunting atmospheric track with a side of martial music.

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** The [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OhQoy9ibQ8 Sarafan stronghold]] theme is a very haunting atmospheric track with a side of martial music.
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