History YMMV / LatiasJourney

31st Aug '16 11:59:50 AM AllamaYaiyap
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]]. Fortunately, the ending does away with this.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]]. Fortunately, the The ending does tried to do away with this.this, but then there was that SequelHook...


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* IdiotPlot: A major problem with the story for the story's critics. A lot of the characters, even the '''legendary pokemon''', have a bit of a death grip on the IdiotBall. And it's not just the heroes either.


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** And according to [[http://www.projectafterforums.com/index.php?showtopic=3327 Project AFTER]], it's an absolute trainwreck because of it.
21st Jul '16 9:13:28 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Deoxys's]]]] [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first action]] after coming to Earth is murdering and [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing]] a small Pokémon [[WouldHurtAChild child]] after his twin was just murdered before his eyes. Over the course of the story, he [[CardCarryingVillain gleefully]] maims, murders, slaughters, mutilates, {{Mind Rape}}s, and does everything in his power to make the heroes' lives a literal living hell. He nukes several heavily populated areas around the world with his virus to acquire more mindless minions for [[OmnicidalManiac his goal]] (and every single one of his minions is in agonizing pain every second they're existing) and will do everything and anything to punish those who get in his way. When questioned why he does all of his atrocious acts, he replies thusly:
-->Because it is my wish. Because they were in my way. And most importantly, because I can.
4th Jun '16 5:42:43 PM DA
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** In general, most of the pairings in this fic, [[PairTheSpares especially the ones involving the supporting characters]], pop right out of nowhere and contribute little, if anything, to the story. For example, Psyduck and Skitty fall in LoveAtFirstSight, and Lombre and Midkip just up and announce to Brock that they're seeing each other out of the blue.

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** In general, most of the pairings in this fic, [[PairTheSpares especially the ones involving the supporting characters]], pop right out of nowhere and [[TokenRomance contribute little, if anything, to the story.story]]. For example, Psyduck and Skitty fall in LoveAtFirstSight, and Lombre and Midkip just up and announce to Brock that they're seeing each other out of the blue.
3rd Jun '16 7:19:32 AM Willbyr
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--> ''Latias' Journey'' is ''{{Pokemon}}'' tripping balls on every hallucinogen known. On meth. And PCP. And Rare Candies. While huffing nitrous oxide. And off its mood stabilizers.

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--> ''Latias' Journey'' is ''{{Pokemon}}'' ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' tripping balls on every hallucinogen known. On meth. And PCP. And Rare Candies. While huffing nitrous oxide. And off its mood stabilizers.
29th Dec '15 8:56:00 PM Cakeman
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]]. Fortunately, the ending does away with this.
5th Dec '15 11:45:20 PM DA
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (mostly Latias, but May is no stranger to it, either, even before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), or {{Jerkass}}y (Crawdaunt and Brock). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].



** Butterfree dying after he mated

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** Ash's Butterfree dying after he mated



** The final arc has [[ColdBloodedTorture no]] [[{{Gorn}} short]] [[CruelAndUnusualDeath supply]] of this.

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** The final arc involves {{Eldritch Abomination}}s trying to destroy the world by causing a demon ZombieApocalypse, so it has [[ColdBloodedTorture no]] [[{{Gorn}} short]] [[CruelAndUnusualDeath supply]] of this.
5th Dec '15 11:35:13 PM DA
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** Reptiles are given placental mammal physiology. Charla's developing eggs are measured in trimesters, and she goes through a ScreamingBirth, like a human. Meanwhile, Latias is described as [[AllPeriodsArePMS getting PMS]] and going into heat, as if she had a estrous cycle.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The cast goes to a party before the final round of the Pokemon Tournament. Some of them go for more...[[PreClimaxClimax involved]] celebrations than others. So anyway, [[ChildrenAreInnocent Phanpy]] walks in on [[ItMakesSenseInContext Uncle Brother]] Pikachu going at it with Sadic. Traumatized, he runs to Aunt Corsola for help, and walks in on ''her'' right in the middle of [[LovableSexManiac Crawdaunt's]] ''massive orgy''. You can [[HarmfulToMinors probably]] [[BlankWhiteEyes imagine]] [[HeroicBSOD what]] [[TraumaInducedAmnesia happens next]].

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** Reptiles are given placental mammal physiology.physiology, probably thanks to MostWritersAreHuman. Charla's developing eggs are measured in trimesters, and she goes through a ScreamingBirth, like a human. Meanwhile, Latias is the Latii are described as [[AllPeriodsArePMS getting PMS]] and going into heat, as if she had a bird-like dragons can have estrous cycle.
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The cast goes is invited to a party ball before the final round of the Pokemon Tournament. Some of them go for more...[[PreClimaxClimax involved]] celebrations than others. So anyway, After drinking copious amounts of punch, [[ChildrenAreInnocent Phanpy]] walks goes into the bathroom, only to walk in on [[ItMakesSenseInContext Uncle Brother]] Pikachu going at it with Sadic. Traumatized, he runs to Aunt Corsola for help, and walks in on ''her'' right in the middle of [[LovableSexManiac Crawdaunt's]] ''massive orgy''. You can [[HarmfulToMinors probably]] [[BlankWhiteEyes imagine]] [[HeroicBSOD what]] [[TraumaInducedAmnesia happens next]].



** There's also a ghost dragon trapped in a depressing nebulous realm, and an embodiment of evil that lives in a bizarre Hell-world. ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' would later give us Giratina and the Distortion World, which fits both of those.

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** There's also a ghost dragon trapped in a depressing nebulous realm, and an embodiment of evil that lives in a bizarre Hell-world. ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' would later give us Giratina and the Distortion World, which more or less fits both of those.



** [[spoiler:Ford has his partner Blaziken brutally torture Charizard, and turns Ash into Alpha Ranger.]]
** Mariah tries to destroy May's will during their battle curb-stomping and nearly killing her Pokemon, and insulting her every time.
** Dark Latios [[spoiler:torments his sister, kills their father Ho-oh, kills Lady Ho-oh by ripping out her spine and eating her body, force-feeds Latias her father's genitals(!), and then repeatedly rapes her both physically and mentally until she becomes an emotionless killing machine.]]

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** [[spoiler:Ford has his partner Blaziken brutally torture and mutilate Charizard, and then forcefully turns Ash into the Alpha Ranger.]]
** Mariah tries to destroy May's will during their battle curb-stomping and nearly killing her Pokemon, and insulting her every time.
time. After May has been sufficiently traumatized, she tries to steal her soul.
** Dark Latios [[spoiler:torments his sister, kills their father Ho-oh, kills immortalizes Lady Ho-oh by ripping out so he can torture her spine and repeatedly before eating her body, her, force-feeds Latias her father's genitals(!), and then repeatedly rapes her both physically and mentally until she becomes an emotionless killing machine.]]



* ShippingBedDeath: Refreshingly averted. Ash and Misty hook up quite early on, and their [[HappilyMarried ongoing relationship]] is handled as a an integral part of everything happening around them.

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Refreshingly averted. Ash and Misty hook up quite early on, and their [[HappilyMarried ongoing relationship]] is handled as a an integral part of everything happening around them.them.
** The same cannot be said for other couples. Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, who hooked up with May's Skitty/Delcatty before the Pokemon Tournament, gets killed by the Alpha Ranger. Gary's Misdreavus, who was with Umbreon from the beginning of the fanfic, gets eaten by Leviathan. The wild Misdreavus, who had a crush on Shedinja, gets killed by Shalor.


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* TheUntwist: [[spoiler:Deoxys]] turns out to be the Cataclysm. Even HE knew in in-universe.
28th Nov '15 10:57:58 PM DA
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence and GratuitousRape scenes, so much crap the heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to the {{Wangst}} from some characters (mostly Latias, but May is no stranger to it, either, even before anything bad happens to her) and characters like Sadic and '''Mewtwo''' being preachy idiots. Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes, so much scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap the that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to the {{Wangst}} from some characters them being {{Wangst}}y (mostly Latias, but May is no stranger to it, either, even before anything bad terrible happens to her) and characters like Sadic and '''Mewtwo''' being her), preachy idiots.(Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), or {{Jerkass}}y (Crawdaunt and Brock). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].
28th Nov '15 10:23:42 PM DA
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Deoxys's]]]] [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first action]] after coming to Earth is murdering and [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing]] a small Pokémon [[WouldHurtAChild child]] after his twin was just murdered before his eyes. Over the course of the story, he [[CardCarryingVillain gleefully]] maims, murders, slaughters, mutilates, {{Mind Rape}}s, and does everything in his power to make the heroes' lives a living and total hell. He nukes several heavily populated areas around the world with his virus to acquire more mindless minions for [[OmnicidalManiac his goal]] (and every single one of his minions is in agonizing pain every second they're existing) and will do everything and anything to punish those who get in his way. When questioned why he does all of his atrocious acts, he replies thusly:

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Deoxys's]]]] [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first action]] after coming to Earth is murdering and [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing]] a small Pokémon [[WouldHurtAChild child]] after his twin was just murdered before his eyes. Over the course of the story, he [[CardCarryingVillain gleefully]] maims, murders, slaughters, mutilates, {{Mind Rape}}s, and does everything in his power to make the heroes' lives a literal living and total hell. He nukes several heavily populated areas around the world with his virus to acquire more mindless minions for [[OmnicidalManiac his goal]] (and every single one of his minions is in agonizing pain every second they're existing) and will do everything and anything to punish those who get in his way. When questioned why he does all of his atrocious acts, he replies thusly:



* LesYay: Misdreavus and Umbreon.

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* LesYay: Misdreavus HilariousInHindsight:
** The fanfic has the {{Cyberpunk}} region of Silica. Now look at Black City in ''[[VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite Pokemon Black]]''...
** There's also a ghost dragon trapped in a depressing nebulous realm,
and Umbreon.an embodiment of evil that lives in a bizarre Hell-world. ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' would later give us Giratina and the Distortion World, which fits both of those.
** There's also a {{God}} of the Pokemon universe. ''VideoGame/PokemonDiamondAndPearl'' would gives us Arceus, who was implemented in this fic's sequel.
** During the final chapters, a lot of the Chosen would gain super forms. ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' would much later give us Mega Forms



* StrangledByTheRedString: The relationship between Latias and [[spoiler:the Ghost King, and by extension, Rayquaza]] is the most disliked aspect of the story. From the very beginning, Latias [[spoiler:has been dreaming about marrying the Ghost King, even though she didn't even know what he looked like. Later on, she forgives the him for razing her hometown and murdering everyone in it in a childish fit of rage, all because because a hologram of Latios said they should get together. She obeys it without question, the reason given that she "just knew" the hologram was the real Latios. At the same time, the Ghost King shows no real remorse over destroying Alto Mare nor killing everyone in it; the only reason he regrets doing it is because it upset Latias. To add insult to injury, their love for one another is mostly [[ShowDontTell told and not shown]] and Latias even marries the damn guy end of the story!]] Many readers were not at all satisfied with the story's explanation [[spoiler:and especially not the tacked-on revelation that Kyogre secretly made the Ghost King do it at the very end]], and consider it little more than glorified StockholmSyndrome.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: StrangledByTheRedString:
** In general, most of the pairings in this fic, [[PairTheSpares especially the ones involving the supporting characters]], pop right out of nowhere and contribute little, if anything, to the story. For example, Psyduck and Skitty fall in LoveAtFirstSight, and Lombre and Midkip just up and announce to Brock that they're seeing each other out of the blue.
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The relationship between Latias and [[spoiler:the Ghost King, and by extension, Rayquaza]] is the most disliked aspect of the story. From the very beginning, Latias [[spoiler:has been dreaming about marrying the Ghost King, even though she didn't even know what he looked like. Later on, she forgives the him for razing her hometown and murdering everyone in it in a childish fit of rage, all because because a hologram of Latios said they should get together. She obeys it without question, the reason given that she "just knew" the hologram was the real Latios. At the same time, the Ghost King shows no real remorse over destroying Alto Mare nor killing everyone in it; the only reason he regrets doing it is because it upset Latias. To add insult to injury, their love for one another is mostly [[ShowDontTell told and not shown]] and Latias even marries the damn guy end of the story!]] Many readers were not at all satisfied with the story's explanation [[spoiler:and especially not the tacked-on revelation that Kyogre secretly made the Ghost King do it at the very end]], and consider it little more than glorified StockholmSyndrome.



** The apocalypse had started, and [[spoiler:Deoxys']] fortress has landed in the middle of Ever Grande City. The Chosen have assembled...and then AlphaBitch Lady Ho-Oh shows up, already ranting.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Ignore her bullshit, she's small potatoes compared to a SatanicArchetype. If she can't be ignored, lock her up somewhere.\\

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** The apocalypse had started, and started. [[spoiler:Deoxys']] lands his fortress has landed in the middle of Ever Grande City.City after destroying everything outside said city. The Chosen have assembled...and then AlphaBitch Lady Ho-Oh shows up, already ranting.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Ignore her bullshit, she's small potatoes compared to a SatanicArchetype. the SatanicArchetype staring them in the face. If she can't be ignored, lock her up somewhere.somewhere so she can't get in the way.\\



'''Then:''' Lady Ho-Oh immediately joins forces with [[spoiler:Deoxys]], and interrupts Lord Ho-Oh's battle with Leviathan. As a result, Misdreavus gets eaten, and Lord Ho-Oh gets tortured and killed.

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'''Then:''' Lady Ho-Oh immediately joins forces with [[spoiler:Deoxys]], and interrupts Lord Ho-Oh's battle with Leviathan. As a result, Misdreavus gets eaten, eaten thanks to being distracted, and Lord Ho-Oh gets tortured dragged into Dark Latios' realm where he is tortured, mutilated, and killed.
27th Nov '15 2:48:00 PM DA
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** Reptiles are given placental mammal physiology. Charla's developing eggs are measured in trimesters, and she goes through a ScreamingBirth, like a human. Meanwhile, Latias is described as [[AllPeriodsArePMS getting PMS]] and going into heat, as if she had a menstrual cycle.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The cast enjoys a quiet-before-the-storm party on the night before the final battle. Some of them go for more...[[PreClimaxClimax involved]] celebrations than others. So anyway, [[ChildrenAreInnocent Phanpy]] walks in on [[ItMakesSenseInContext Uncle Brother]] Pikachu going at it with Sadic. Traumatized, he runs to Aunt Corsola for help, and walks in on ''her'' right in the middle of [[LovableSexManiac Crawdaunt's]] ''massive orgy''. You can [[HarmfulToMinors probably]] [[BlankWhiteEyes imagine]] [[HeroicBSOD what]] [[TraumaInducedAmnesia happens next]].

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** Reptiles are given placental mammal physiology. Charla's developing eggs are measured in trimesters, and she goes through a ScreamingBirth, like a human. Meanwhile, Latias is described as [[AllPeriodsArePMS getting PMS]] and going into heat, as if she had a menstrual estrous cycle.
* CrowningMomentOfFunny: The cast enjoys goes to a quiet-before-the-storm party on the night before the final battle.round of the Pokemon Tournament. Some of them go for more...[[PreClimaxClimax involved]] celebrations than others. So anyway, [[ChildrenAreInnocent Phanpy]] walks in on [[ItMakesSenseInContext Uncle Brother]] Pikachu going at it with Sadic. Traumatized, he runs to Aunt Corsola for help, and walks in on ''her'' right in the middle of [[LovableSexManiac Crawdaunt's]] ''massive orgy''. You can [[HarmfulToMinors probably]] [[BlankWhiteEyes imagine]] [[HeroicBSOD what]] [[TraumaInducedAmnesia happens next]].



** Silver and his parent being related to the Lugia from ''Anime/Pokemon2000'''

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** Silver and his parent being related to the Lugia from ''Anime/Pokemon2000'''''Anime/{{Pokemon2000}}''


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** The apocalypse had started, and [[spoiler:Deoxys']] fortress has landed in the middle of Ever Grande City. The Chosen have assembled...and then AlphaBitch Lady Ho-Oh shows up, already ranting.\\
'''You'd Expect:''' Ignore her bullshit, she's small potatoes compared to a SatanicArchetype. If she can't be ignored, lock her up somewhere.\\
'''Instead:''' Our heroes dogpile on her, and Sadic threatens to eat her. She escapes.\\
'''Then:''' Lady Ho-Oh immediately joins forces with [[spoiler:Deoxys]], and interrupts Lord Ho-Oh's battle with Leviathan. As a result, Misdreavus gets eaten, and Lord Ho-Oh gets tortured and killed.
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