History YMMV / LatiasJourney

20th Aug '17 6:41:07 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'': The ExploitationFilm
** The last arc is ''Pokemon'' meets ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' meets ''Film/EventHorizon''.
** In-universe example. The Battle Palace's rules are amended for the Hoenn League Championships so the roles are reversed. The end result is something like mixed martial arts meets Pokémon battling.
--->'''Ford''': Instead of Pokemon competing against Pokemon, it will be human against ''human'', with their Pokemon giving them commands from the sidelines!
13th Aug '17 2:08:18 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* LoveItOrHateIt: You either love it because of the epic fight sequences, and "acts of unbelievable badassitude"...or you think it's the ''Agony in Pink'' of the Pokemon fandom.
** [[TakeAThirdOption Or]], if you loved it at first, you would have a [[HypeBacklash "Why did I think this was good back then?"]] moment when you re-read it to see [[{{Filler}} how]] [[GratuitousRape many]] [[WhatAnIdiot flaws]] this story was rife with.
30th Jul '17 4:02:50 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY:
** ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'': The ExploitationFilm
** The last arc is ''Pokemon'' meets ''Anime/TengenToppaGurrenLagann'' meets ''Film/EventHorizon''.
** In-universe example. The Battle Palace's rules are amended for the Hoenn League Championships so the roles are reversed. The end result is something like mixed martial arts meets Pokémon battling.
--->'''Ford''': Instead of Pokemon competing against Pokemon, it will be human against ''human'', with their Pokemon giving them commands from the sidelines!
5th Nov '16 10:09:23 PM DA
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* IdiotPlot: A major problem with the story for the story's critics. A lot of the characters, even the '''legendary pokemon''', have a bit of a death grip on the IdiotBall. And it's not just the heroes either.

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* IdiotPlot: A major problem with the story for the story's critics. A lot of the characters, even the '''legendary pokemon''', Pokemon''', have a bit of a death grip on the IdiotBall. And it's not just the heroes either.either.
** The Tyranitron arc heavily relies on almost every character ([[SmartBall except Wobbuffet]]) being stupid or distracted. Ash and his friends sit around and waste a lot of time gossiping when they should have been trying to think of ways to get around the Tyranitron's defenses. Whenever they come up with something, they're either shot down by ContrivedCoincidence (a random Murkrow [[DiabolusExMachina coming out of nowhere]] and stealing the Dragon Flute), or they wind up wasting even more time (Max insisting that he wants to pilot Jirachi's HumongousMecha form, and having to stop and read the owner's manual). On the villains' side, Team Rocket sits around and toys with their opponents instead of defeating them as quickly as possible, allowing Wobbuffet to turn off the Tyranitron's shields, and eventually, its engines. Their failure to get Chimecho out of the bridge ultimately causes their defeat.



** Deoxys crosses this when he destroys an entire city, personally striking down the Pichu Brothers.

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** Deoxys crosses this when he destroys an entire city, then personally striking down tortures and kills the Pichu Brothers.Brothers for funsies.



** Mariah tries to destroy May's will during their battle curb-stomping and nearly killing her Pokemon, and insulting her every time. After May has been sufficiently traumatized, she tries to steal her soul.

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** Mariah tries to destroy May's will during their battle by curb-stomping and nearly killing her Pokemon, and insulting her every time. After May has been sufficiently traumatized, she tries to steal her soul.
31st Aug '16 11:59:50 AM AllamaYaiyap
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]]. Fortunately, the ending does away with this.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]]. Fortunately, the The ending does tried to do away with this.this, but then there was that SequelHook...


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* IdiotPlot: A major problem with the story for the story's critics. A lot of the characters, even the '''legendary pokemon''', have a bit of a death grip on the IdiotBall. And it's not just the heroes either.


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** And according to [[http://www.projectafterforums.com/index.php?showtopic=3327 Project AFTER]], it's an absolute trainwreck because of it.
21st Jul '16 9:13:28 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Deoxys's]]]] [[EstablishingCharacterMoment first action]] after coming to Earth is murdering and [[ColdBloodedTorture torturing]] a small Pokémon [[WouldHurtAChild child]] after his twin was just murdered before his eyes. Over the course of the story, he [[CardCarryingVillain gleefully]] maims, murders, slaughters, mutilates, {{Mind Rape}}s, and does everything in his power to make the heroes' lives a literal living hell. He nukes several heavily populated areas around the world with his virus to acquire more mindless minions for [[OmnicidalManiac his goal]] (and every single one of his minions is in agonizing pain every second they're existing) and will do everything and anything to punish those who get in his way. When questioned why he does all of his atrocious acts, he replies thusly:
-->Because it is my wish. Because they were in my way. And most importantly, because I can.
4th Jun '16 5:42:43 PM DA
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** In general, most of the pairings in this fic, [[PairTheSpares especially the ones involving the supporting characters]], pop right out of nowhere and contribute little, if anything, to the story. For example, Psyduck and Skitty fall in LoveAtFirstSight, and Lombre and Midkip just up and announce to Brock that they're seeing each other out of the blue.

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** In general, most of the pairings in this fic, [[PairTheSpares especially the ones involving the supporting characters]], pop right out of nowhere and [[TokenRomance contribute little, if anything, to the story.story]]. For example, Psyduck and Skitty fall in LoveAtFirstSight, and Lombre and Midkip just up and announce to Brock that they're seeing each other out of the blue.
3rd Jun '16 7:19:32 AM Willbyr
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--> ''Latias' Journey'' is ''{{Pokemon}}'' tripping balls on every hallucinogen known. On meth. And PCP. And Rare Candies. While huffing nitrous oxide. And off its mood stabilizers.

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--> ''Latias' Journey'' is ''{{Pokemon}}'' ''Franchise/{{Pokemon}}'' tripping balls on every hallucinogen known. On meth. And PCP. And Rare Candies. While huffing nitrous oxide. And off its mood stabilizers.
29th Dec '15 8:56:00 PM Cakeman
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]]. Fortunately, the ending does away with this.
5th Dec '15 11:45:20 PM DA
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (mostly Latias, but May is no stranger to it, either, even before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), or {{Jerkass}}y (Crawdaunt and Brock). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Besides the sheer amount of over-the-top violence, graphic torture, and GratuitousRape scenes at the hands of {{Eldritch Abomination}}s whose only redeeming feature is that they're shamelessly honest about [[LovesTheSoundOfScreaming liking to do all three of those]], all the crap that our heroes get put through makes it difficult to sympathize with them. This wasn't already difficult enough to do so, no thanks to them being {{Wangst}}y (Latias, May long before anything terrible happens to her), preachy (Sadic and '''Mewtwo'''), pervy (Crawdaunt and Brock), stupid (Jirachi, Max, Phanphy, Misty's Psyduck/Golduck, May's Skitty/Delcatty), or downright villainous (The Ghost King, Molly). Then there is Latias' relationship with the Ghost King, which completely destroys all hope of the main heroine being seen as sympathetic. And there's [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking Ri2's refusal to]] [[ShowDontTell show and not tell]].



** Butterfree dying after he mated

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** Ash's Butterfree dying after he mated



** The final arc has [[ColdBloodedTorture no]] [[{{Gorn}} short]] [[CruelAndUnusualDeath supply]] of this.

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** The final arc involves {{Eldritch Abomination}}s trying to destroy the world by causing a demon ZombieApocalypse, so it has [[ColdBloodedTorture no]] [[{{Gorn}} short]] [[CruelAndUnusualDeath supply]] of this.
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