History YMMV / KingdomHearts

12th Jan '17 11:05:20 AM Troperr2016
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** The American/Canadian cartoon ''WesternAnimation/SuperNoobs'' rips off a lot of themes from Kingdom Hearts such as the virus warriors and battle balls parody Keyblade masters and the Keyblade, the virus parodying the Heartless and characters Count Venamus and The Creators of the Virus having a lot in common with Vanitas, Organization XIII, and Master Xehanort respectively. Aliens Memnock and Zenblock have a FriendlyRivalry like Sora and Rika do but their friendship can be seen as a parody of Sora and Riku's in terms that Mem and Zen argue a lot. Coincidentally Super Noobs airs on the Disney channel in several countries.
11th Jan '17 10:45:44 AM Draghinazzo
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** Even outside of the issue of whether it's difficult to follow or not, the plot and writing is often debated on its other merits. Some feel that while it has its good moments, it is often too corny and self-important to be taken seriously, not helped by stilted dialogue from the non-disney characters and the series being even more unapologetic about running on cheesy concepts than the average JRPG, such as ThePowerOfFriendship, hearts, light and darkness, etc. Others find these same aspects to be charming and fall into NarmCharm instead.
8th Jan '17 8:29:39 PM InsanityPrelude
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* TearJerker: ''[[DownerEnding 358/2 Days]]'' and ''[[DownerEnding Birth by Sleep]] '' '''will''' turn the waterworks on like a faucet. Basically, everything starting an hour or so before the first in the series of final boss battles, and increasing in severity as the final sequence approaches in each of those games is tailor made to be simultaneously awesome and the most depressing thing ever. In the latter case, at least one of the ''characters'' is driven to tears by what's happened, ''and he has no idea that anything actually happened'', the aura of tragedy [[note]]emanating in this case from the disembodied heart of one of the victims, which wasn't even in the same world at the time[[/note]] is simply that palpable.
* ThatOneBoss:
** Xaldin from ''Kingdom Hearts II''. If you ever need to be rescued by Mickey, chances are you'll need it here.
** Then there's Demyx. Never has a simple sitarist-slash-[[WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender waterbender]] been so very dreaded.
** Maleficent's dragon form in the first game. She can kill you in seconds unless you're overleveled, and her attacks can be hard to avoid. you don't get much room to avoid them, and you can only damage her by attacking her head. This is followed by [[spoiler:Riku possessed by Ansem,]] who probably would be as hard except for the fact that you have to fight him on your own. Also, they're fought in neighboring rooms, making it [[DamnYouMuscleMemory easy to forget that you can backtrack]] to save before going from one to the other.
** ''3D'' gives us [[spoiler:Young Xehanort]] who would be hard enough on his own, with hyper-fast teleports, sword combos, [[InterfaceScrew stopping your action commands]], and being hard to hit. But then he'll actually [[spoiler:rewind time and make you fight him all over again if you're not fast enough.]]
** The Antlion in ''Days''. It moves around the desert just fast enough so that you have to catch up if you use magic, and, as well as its powerful attacks when it's ''not'' moving, once you get it down to two bars of health, it [[spoiler:flies up into the air]]. From then until the end of the battle, the only way to damage him is to [[spoiler: hit back the wooden boxes he throws at you and stun him]]. Most players won't even realize that until [[GuideDangIt they get the strategy guide]]!
*** The [[NightmareFuel Leechgrave]] is even worse.
29th Dec '16 8:12:45 PM TheNewBig
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** The Organization gets almost as much as this, as they do the DILP treatment. Despite it being made clear with [[VideoGame/KingdomHearts358DaysOver2 recent]] [[VideoGame/KingdomHeartsDreamDropDistance games]] that they were lied to from the start about there being one way to get their hearts back (a Nobody can grow one back over time), don't have the option to leave and will be killed for trying, will be turned into Dusks if they're not doing a good enough job, and aren't told exactly what they'll be doing until they're already in, many still choose to see each and every one of them as irredeemable psychopathic monsters who gleefully slaughter countless innocents for their goal. The truth is, they don't seem to have a whole lot of choice in the matter, with the exceptions of [[BigBad Xemnas]] and [[TheDragon Xigbar.]]
23rd Dec '16 8:08:11 PM TheNewBig
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*** Finally subverted as of ''Dream Drop Distance''. [[spoiler:Sora finds out the full extent of his connection to the rest of the cast, and the fact he can only wield the Keyblade because of Ven and those bonds strengthening his heart. The revelation that he's essentially a nobody (not literally) made strong because he happens to be surrounded by heroes is something that really tears him up when he first figures it out, but he decides if that's what it takes to give him the strength to help the rest of them fight, then so be it.]] Then this trope gets played straight [[spoiler: when only Riku is announced as a Keyblade Master and Sora doesn't seem bothered by it at all.]]

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*** Finally subverted as of ''Dream Drop Distance''. [[spoiler:Sora finds out the full extent of his connection to the rest of the cast, and the fact he can only wield the Keyblade because of Ven and those bonds strengthening his heart. The revelation that he's essentially a nobody (not literally) made strong because he happens to be surrounded by heroes is something that really tears him up when he first figures it out, but he decides if that's what it takes to give him the strength to help the rest of them fight, then so be it.]] Then this trope gets played straight [[spoiler: when only Riku is announced as a Keyblade Master and Sora doesn't seem bothered by it at all.]]



** Hell, if it weren't for Sora, Roxas wouldn't have existed at all.



** [=Diz=]. Granted, [=DiZ=] ''was'' a revenge-driven asshole, but he had reasons for it (he was in the darkness for so long) and he genuinely atoned for it in the end [[spoiler:with a HeroicSacrifice]]. Yet part of the fandom ''still'' see him as an irredeemable racist monster who is more evil than [[spoiler:the guy who stole his name!]]. And it got worse now that it's been revealed that [=DiZ=] [[spoiler:managed to ''survive'' his redemption death]].

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** [=Diz=]. Granted, [=DiZ=] ''was'' a revenge-driven asshole, real piece of shit, but he had reasons for it (he was in the darkness for so long) and he genuinely atoned for it in the end [[spoiler:with a HeroicSacrifice]]. Yet part of the fandom ''still'' see him as an irredeemable racist monster who is more evil than [[spoiler:the guy who stole his name!]]. And it got worse now that it's been revealed that [=DiZ=] [[spoiler:managed to ''survive'' his redemption death]]. It doesn't help that he personally orchestrated one of the greatest tragedies in the series by effectively [[spoiler:killing Roxas]] in addition to ordering [[spoiler: Namine's execution.]]
22nd Dec '16 7:51:13 AM blkwhtrbbt
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* MemeticMutation:
** "'''[[CatchPhrase Got it memorized?]]'''" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Axel's sudden CatchPhrase in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. Initially translated as "commit it to memory" in the original ''Chain of Memories'', it's featured at least once in every game he appeared in, including the remake of ''Chain of Memories''.[[/labelnote]]
** "'''AS IF!'''" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Xigbar's catchphrase that shows up in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' and ''Days'' and he uses it as Braig in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''.[[/labelnote]]
** "That was undeniable proof that we [[TotallyRadical TOTALLY owned you lamers]]!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Seifer's least effective insult ever.[[/labelnote]]
** Ven's goldfish. [[labelnote:Explanation]]From one of Xigbar's lines in ''358/2 Days'' when he asks Xion, who he sees as Ven, "Do you always have to stare at me like I just drowned your goldfish?"[[/labelnote]]
** Terra's pants. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Terra's hakama in ''Birth by Sleep'' are beloved by many fans.[[/labelnote]]
** Aqua's boobs. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Aqua is by far the most well-endowed of the ''Kingdom Hearts'' females.[[/labelnote]]
** [[RunningGag Vanitas's]] [[EvilLaugh creepy-ass laugh.]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Vanitas's laugh, first heard in the game trailers, quickly caught on with the fans for its creepy awesomeness.[[/labelnote]]
** '''''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbCXfj0Sao& DARKNESS!!!]]''''' [[labelnote:Explanation]]The word "darkness" is said a lot throughout the games. ''Do not'' attempt to make a drinking game out of it.[[/labelnote]]
** Sora, Donald, Goofy! [[labelnote:Explanation]]Characters tend to refer to the three party members of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' by name. And always in the same order.[[/labelnote]]
** GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK!!! [[labelnote:Explanation]]Phil's piece of advice for Sora while fighting the Hydra in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', [[MostAnnoyingSound repeated often.]][[/labelnote]]
** The Meme That Never Was [[labelnote:Explanation]]The last level of ''Kingdom Hearts II'' is called "The World That Never Was". Individual rooms have names like "Altar of Nothing". Before then you had (mostly) cheerful Disney worlds, and then you get this.[[/labelnote]]
** '''RAGE AWAKENED.''' [[labelnote:Explanation]]Due to being the series' patron saint of UnstoppableRage and a prime candidate for the Red Lantern Corps, it's assumed that "Rage Awakened", the theme of the Lingering Sentiment/Lingering Will, will play whenever he goes on the warpath. Which is always.[[/labelnote]]
** "Roxas, that's a stick." [[labelnote:Explanation]]At one point in 358 Days Over 2, Roxas and Xion are together on a mission and Roxas finds himself without a Keyblade. He picks up the first thing he sees to use as a weapon. Xion lampshades the ridiculousness with that one line.[[/labelnote]]
** WHO WILL I EAT ICE CREAM WITH? [[labelnote:Explanation]]Roxas says this line upon Xion's death in ''358/2 Days''. It's become the go-to line for NarmCharm for ''Kingdom Hearts'' fans.[[/labelnote]]
** On Website/YouTube videos of the boss theme "The Encounter" (which plays when fighting Disney bosses in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' and ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''), it's popular to make up battle quotes for Disney bosses (or other bosses) one wishes were in a ''Kingdom Hearts'' game.
** "Kingdom Hearts is... LIGHT!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]A smaller meme, popular on Website/GameFAQs. When people start wondering what Kingdom Hearts (the power source, not the game itself) is exactly, one of the first few answers is to say that it's light, based on one of Sora's heroic monologues near the end of the first game.[[/labelnote]]
** "I'M EVERYONE!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Another small meme, centered on the fact that Sora has had at least 4 different existences total inside himself over the course of the series.[[/labelnote]]
** [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast No one gets left out of Kingdom Hearts like Gaston!]][[labelnote:Explanation]]''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' is featured heavily in [=KH2=] and 358/2 Days, but neither features the primary antagonist of the film, the hunter Gaston. This is a combination with the popular "No one X like Gaston" meme.[[/labelnote]]
*** This meme could soon be rendered moot, however, because [[https://40.media.tumblr.com/88f77dd215fd4d66c9411d19e0ac3c70/tumblr_inline_o0krq7JSFO1tsnh4k_540.png he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts X.]]
** "ALL ABOARD THE HYPE COASTER!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Alpha footage for future games has Sora be able to use Ride/DisneyThemeParks attractions as summons, including the rollar coaster Big Thunder Mountain, during the fight with the Rock Titan has caused this to be used in connotation with the hype surrounding the concept.[[/labelnote]]
** Dive To The Heart [[labelnote:Explanation]]It's very popular to create stained glass designs for various characters based on the Dive to the Heart sections of the games.[[/labelnote]]
** WHEN YOU WALK AWAY [[labelnote:Explanation]]The most known line of Simple and Clean, combined with the fact that said song has been present in more games than any other.[[/labelnote]]
** "This guy." [[labelnote:Explanation]]From [[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8cPyvE2GTjOMzE4MTVlZTctMjE5Yi00YzAzLWJjZTAtZTllODY2OTc2MTMx/edit?hl=en_US a popular google document]] that summarizes the series' plotline using gifs and uses variations upon "This guy[=/=]girl" in every line.[[/labelnote]]

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* MemeticMutation:
** "'''[[CatchPhrase Got it memorized?]]'''" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Axel's sudden CatchPhrase in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII''. Initially translated as "commit it to memory" in the original ''Chain of Memories'', it's featured at least once in every game he appeared in, including the remake of ''Chain of Memories''.[[/labelnote]]
** "'''AS IF!'''" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Xigbar's catchphrase that shows up in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' and ''Days'' and he uses it as Braig in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''.[[/labelnote]]
** "That was undeniable proof that we [[TotallyRadical TOTALLY owned you lamers]]!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Seifer's least effective insult ever.[[/labelnote]]
** Ven's goldfish. [[labelnote:Explanation]]From one of Xigbar's lines in ''358/2 Days'' when he asks Xion, who he sees as Ven, "Do you always have to stare at me like I just drowned your goldfish?"[[/labelnote]]
** Terra's pants. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Terra's hakama in ''Birth by Sleep'' are beloved by many fans.[[/labelnote]]
** Aqua's boobs. [[labelnote:Explanation]]Aqua is by far the most well-endowed of the ''Kingdom Hearts'' females.[[/labelnote]]
** [[RunningGag Vanitas's]] [[EvilLaugh creepy-ass laugh.]] [[labelnote:Explanation]]Vanitas's laugh, first heard in the game trailers, quickly caught on with the fans for
MemeticMutation: Now has [[Memes/KingdomHearts its creepy awesomeness.[[/labelnote]]
** '''''[[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBbCXfj0Sao& DARKNESS!!!]]''''' [[labelnote:Explanation]]The word "darkness" is said a lot throughout the games. ''Do not'' attempt to make a drinking game out of it.[[/labelnote]]
** Sora, Donald, Goofy! [[labelnote:Explanation]]Characters tend to refer to the three party members of ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' by name. And always in the same order.[[/labelnote]]
** GET UP ON THE HYDRA'S BACK!!! [[labelnote:Explanation]]Phil's piece of advice for Sora while fighting the Hydra in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'', [[MostAnnoyingSound repeated often.]][[/labelnote]]
** The Meme That Never Was [[labelnote:Explanation]]The last level of ''Kingdom Hearts II'' is called "The World That Never Was". Individual rooms have names like "Altar of Nothing". Before then you had (mostly) cheerful Disney worlds, and then you get this.[[/labelnote]]
** '''RAGE AWAKENED.''' [[labelnote:Explanation]]Due to being the series' patron saint of UnstoppableRage and a prime candidate for the Red Lantern Corps, it's assumed that "Rage Awakened", the theme of the Lingering Sentiment/Lingering Will, will play whenever he goes on the warpath. Which is always.[[/labelnote]]
** "Roxas, that's a stick." [[labelnote:Explanation]]At one point in 358 Days Over 2, Roxas and Xion are together on a mission and Roxas finds himself without a Keyblade. He picks up the first thing he sees to use as a weapon. Xion lampshades the ridiculousness with that one line.[[/labelnote]]
** WHO WILL I EAT ICE CREAM WITH? [[labelnote:Explanation]]Roxas says this line upon Xion's death in ''358/2 Days''. It's become the go-to line for NarmCharm for ''Kingdom Hearts'' fans.[[/labelnote]]
** On Website/YouTube videos of the boss theme "The Encounter" (which plays when fighting Disney bosses in ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsII'' and ''VideoGame/KingdomHeartsBirthBySleep''), it's popular to make up battle quotes for Disney bosses (or other bosses) one wishes were in a ''Kingdom Hearts'' game.
** "Kingdom Hearts is... LIGHT!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]A smaller meme, popular on Website/GameFAQs. When people start wondering what Kingdom Hearts (the power source, not the game itself) is exactly, one of the first few answers is to say that it's light, based on one of Sora's heroic monologues near the end of the first game.[[/labelnote]]
** "I'M EVERYONE!" [[labelnote:Explanation]]Another small meme, centered on the fact that Sora has had at least 4 different existences total inside himself over the course of the series.[[/labelnote]]
** [[Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast No one gets left out of Kingdom Hearts like Gaston!]][[labelnote:Explanation]]''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'' is featured heavily in [=KH2=] and 358/2 Days, but neither features the primary antagonist of the film, the hunter Gaston. This is a combination with the popular "No one X like Gaston" meme.[[/labelnote]]
*** This meme could soon be rendered moot, however, because [[https://40.media.tumblr.com/88f77dd215fd4d66c9411d19e0ac3c70/tumblr_inline_o0krq7JSFO1tsnh4k_540.png he finally appears in Kingdom Hearts X.]]
** "ALL ABOARD THE HYPE COASTER!"[[labelnote:Explanation]]Alpha footage for future games has Sora be able to use Ride/DisneyThemeParks attractions as summons, including the rollar coaster Big Thunder Mountain, during the fight with the Rock Titan has caused this to be used in connotation with the hype surrounding the concept.[[/labelnote]]
** Dive To The Heart [[labelnote:Explanation]]It's very popular to create stained glass designs for various characters based on the Dive to the Heart sections of the games.[[/labelnote]]
** WHEN YOU WALK AWAY [[labelnote:Explanation]]The most known line of Simple and Clean, combined with the fact that said song has been present in more games than any other.[[/labelnote]]
** "This guy." [[labelnote:Explanation]]From [[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8cPyvE2GTjOMzE4MTVlZTctMjE5Yi00YzAzLWJjZTAtZTllODY2OTc2MTMx/edit?hl=en_US a popular google document]] that summarizes the series' plotline using gifs and uses variations upon "This guy[=/=]girl" in every line.[[/labelnote]]
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15th Dec '16 9:25:39 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* FanDislikedExplanation: Worlds running on their own time axis, as revealed by Riku in ''[=KH3D=]'', has received negative attention by the fanbase for [[PlotHole understandable reasons]]. How could [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Jack and Santa]] carry out their respective holidays if [[FridgeLogic mere seconds in one world is years in another]]?

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Worlds running on their own time axis, as revealed by Riku in ''[=KH3D=]'', has received negative attention by the fanbase for [[PlotHole understandable reasons]]. How could [[WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas Jack and Santa]] carry out their respective holidays if [[FridgeLogic mere seconds in one world is years in another]]?
11th Dec '16 10:25:30 PM KingClark
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** Sora and Roxas have, to put it lightly, '''''dueling fandoms.''''' The fact that [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal Roxas had to be "killed off" for Sora]]]] is the root of the animosity between the two camps. More of it is elaborated in the MisBlamed section.

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** Sora and Roxas have, to put it lightly, '''''dueling fandoms.''''' fandoms'''''. The fact that [[spoiler: [[KilledOffForReal Roxas had to be "killed off" for Sora]]]] is the root of the animosity between the two camps. More of it is elaborated in the MisBlamed section.
11th Dec '16 10:25:11 PM KingClark
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* ArchivePanic: Every game is quite long, making playing through them all quite a daunting task. If you have a [=PS3=], ''and'' a [=PS4=], you're golden[[note]]if you want the gameplay of ''358/2 Days'' and ''Re:coded'', you'll need a DS or 3DS as well[[/note]]. Otherwise....

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* ArcFatigue: The "Dark Seeker Saga", which is intended to be the first of several storylines in the franchise, has taken the better part of ''two decades'' to fully develop.[[note]]since the first game began development in 2000 and there's still no release date in sight for the final chapter[[/note]] While this wasn't in play for the first three games (as they developed a clear story arc of the defeat of Xehanort's Heartless and Nobody), fans started to get antsy once it became clear that Square-Enix were putting off the release of ''Kingdom Hearts III'' until after the release of '''six''' additional spin-offs and an animated movie. Quite a few fans just want to be done with Xehanort so the franchise can move in a different direction.
* ArchivePanic: Every game is quite long, making playing through them all quite a daunting task. If you have a [=PS3=], [=PS4=] or a [=PS3=] ''and'' a [=PS4=], you're golden[[note]]if you want the gameplay of ''358/2 Days'' and ''Re:coded'', you'll need a DS or 3DS as well[[/note]]. Otherwise....Otherwise...
8th Dec '16 12:03:13 PM DensetsuNoKaboom
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* ArchivePanic: Every game is quite long, making playing through them all quite a daunting task. If you have a [=PS3=], ''and'' a [=PS4=], you're golden. Otherwise....

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* ArchivePanic: Every game is quite long, making playing through them all quite a daunting task. If you have a [=PS3=], ''and'' a [=PS4=], you're golden.golden[[note]]if you want the gameplay of ''358/2 Days'' and ''Re:coded'', you'll need a DS or 3DS as well[[/note]]. Otherwise....
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