History YMMV / KingdomCome

23rd Dec '16 6:09:05 AM AnotherGuy
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** ComicBook/MartianManhunter gets it even worse than Lobo, from a guy who could clash with Superman reduced to a nervous wreck who can barely control his body.

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** ComicBook/MartianManhunter gets it even worse than Lobo, from a guy who could clash with Superman reduced to a nervous wreck who can barely control his body.[[note]]One might argue that since he is still trying to help humanity despite a complete breakdown of his powers makes him ''more'' badass.[[/note]]
22nd Dec '16 10:59:55 AM BatmanKalEl
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Kingdom Come'' inadvertently started the trend of pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in [[AlternateUniverse Elseworld comics]] [[note]]''The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Superman: Distant Fires, Superman: Red Son, JLA: Act of God, Injustice''[[/note]] before finally becoming a canon OfficialCouple in the ''ComicBook/New52''. However, while ''Kingdom Come'' devotes a great deal of time and attention to examining their relationship and crafting believable circumstances to bring them together, many modern comics just take it as a granted that the strongest man and woman will be attracted to one another, or simply write the romance poorly. In addition, it started the idea that Wonder Woman had no issues with killing, when before this comic, she was the least violent of the major heroes in the DC Universe. The entire point was that she was overcompensating because offering an olive branch wasn't working, according to her mother.
** Diana had used lethal force in stories prior to Kingdom Come, but it was always as a last resort. Some stories afterwards would depict her as a BloodKnight who preferred to kill first, ask question later. The ''ComicBook/New52'' being the biggest offender of this.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Kingdom Come'' inadvertently started the trend of pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in [[AlternateUniverse Elseworld comics]] [[note]]''The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Superman: Distant Fires, Superman: Red Son, JLA: Act of God, Injustice''[[/note]] before finally becoming a canon OfficialCouple in the ''ComicBook/New52''. However, while ''Kingdom Come'' devotes a great deal of time and attention to examining their relationship and crafting believable circumstances to bring them together, many modern comics just take it as a granted that the strongest man and woman will be attracted to one another, or simply write the romance poorly. In addition, it started the idea that Wonder Woman had no issues with killing, when before this comic, she was the least violent of the major heroes in the DC Universe. The entire point was that she was overcompensating because offering an olive branch wasn't working, according to her mother.
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Diana had used lethal force in stories prior to Kingdom Come, but it was always as a last resort. Some stories afterwards would depict her as a BloodKnight who preferred to kill first, ask question later. The ''ComicBook/New52'' being the biggest offender of this.
6th Nov '16 7:05:11 AM SonofAkatosh
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** Diana had used lethal force in stories prior to Kingdom Come, but it was always as a last resort. Some stories afterwards would depict her as a BloodKknight who preferred to kill first, ask question later. The ''ComicBook/New52'' being the biggest offender of this.

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** Diana had used lethal force in stories prior to Kingdom Come, but it was always as a last resort. Some stories afterwards would depict her as a BloodKknight BloodKnight who preferred to kill first, ask question later. The ''ComicBook/New52'' being the biggest offender of this.
6th Nov '16 4:58:02 AM windleopard
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** Diana had used lethal force in stories prior to Kingdom Come, but it was always as a last resort. Some stories afterwards would depict her as a BloodKknight who preferred to kill first, ask question later. The ''ComicBook/New52'' being the biggest offender of this.
5th Nov '16 12:28:08 AM AdamC
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** Red Hood is quite popular too. She's essentially the grown-up version of (fan favorite in her own right) Lian Harper, her persona being a blend of her dad's Red Arrow self and Little Red Riding Hood.
16th Sep '16 9:04:42 AM AnotherGuy
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Kingdom Come'' inadvertently started the trend of pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in [[AlternateUniverse Elseworld comics]] [[note]]''The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Superman: Distant Fires, Superman: Red Son, JLA: Act of God, Injustice''[[/note]] before finally becoming a canon OfficialCouple in the ''ComicBook/New52''. However, while ''Kingdom Come'' devotes a great deal of time and attention to examining their relationship and crafting believable circumstances to bring them together, many modern comics just take it as a granted that the strongest man and woman will be attracted to one another, or simply write the romance poorly. In addition, it started the idea that Wonder Woman had no issues with killing, when before this comic, she was the least violent of the major heroes in the DC Universe.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Kingdom Come'' inadvertently started the trend of pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in [[AlternateUniverse Elseworld comics]] [[note]]''The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Superman: Distant Fires, Superman: Red Son, JLA: Act of God, Injustice''[[/note]] before finally becoming a canon OfficialCouple in the ''ComicBook/New52''. However, while ''Kingdom Come'' devotes a great deal of time and attention to examining their relationship and crafting believable circumstances to bring them together, many modern comics just take it as a granted that the strongest man and woman will be attracted to one another, or simply write the romance poorly. In addition, it started the idea that Wonder Woman had no issues with killing, when before this comic, she was the least violent of the major heroes in the DC Universe. The entire point was that she was overcompensating because offering an olive branch wasn't working, according to her mother.
26th May '16 7:24:22 AM AnotherGuy
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* HilariousInHindsight: Deadman's appearance in this series: he is reduced to his skeleton in his uniform. Now take a look at what his [[ComicBook/BlackestNight Black Lantern self]] looks like...

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* HilariousInHindsight: HilariousInHindsight:
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Deadman's appearance in this series: he is reduced to his skeleton in his uniform. Now take a look at what his [[ComicBook/BlackestNight Black Lantern self]] looks like...like...
** Selina Kyle has become wealthy thanks to a massive cosmetics empire - the profession of the BigBad in the later ''Film/{{Catwoman}}'' film.
26th May '16 7:01:41 AM AnotherGuy
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Kingdom Come'' inadvertently started the trend of pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in [[AlternateUniverse Elseworld comics]] [[note]]''The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Superman: Distant Fires, Superman: Red Son, JLA: Act of God, Injustice''[[/note]] before finally becoming a canon OfficialCouple in the ''ComicBook/New52''. However, while ''Kingdom Come'' devotes a great deal of time and attention to examining their relationship and crafting believable circumstances to bring them together, many modern comics just take it as a granted that the strongest man and woman will be attracted to one another, or simply write the romance poorly.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: ''Kingdom Come'' inadvertently started the trend of pairing Superman and Wonder Woman in [[AlternateUniverse Elseworld comics]] [[note]]''The Dark Knight Strikes Again, Superman: Distant Fires, Superman: Red Son, JLA: Act of God, Injustice''[[/note]] before finally becoming a canon OfficialCouple in the ''ComicBook/New52''. However, while ''Kingdom Come'' devotes a great deal of time and attention to examining their relationship and crafting believable circumstances to bring them together, many modern comics just take it as a granted that the strongest man and woman will be attracted to one another, or simply write the romance poorly. In addition, it started the idea that Wonder Woman had no issues with killing, when before this comic, she was the least violent of the major heroes in the DC Universe.
9th May '16 4:30:15 PM HamburgerTime
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** Magog ended up becoming this for the writers; they initially made him a cliched representation of everything they hated about NinetiesAntiHero and [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the culture he represented]], but he gained unexpected depth through the writing of the series until he ended up being one of their favorite characters from it.
** Nightstar due to being a walking representation of the marriage between fan-favorite coupling Nightwing and Starfire.
** Kid Flash is also quite popular and has made frequent appearances in the regular DC Universe long before Superman did.

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** Magog ended up becoming this for the writers; they initially made him a cliched representation of everything they hated about NinetiesAntiHero and [[UsefulNotes/TheDarkAgeOfComicBooks the culture he represented]], but he gained unexpected depth through the writing of the series until he ended up being one of their favorite characters from it.
it. Sadly, when he was [[CanonImmigrant brought into the main universe]], he went in [[TheScrappy the other direction]].
** Nightstar due to being a walking representation of the marriage between fan-favorite coupling Nightwing and Starfire.
Starfire, and being [[MsFanservice very easy on the eyes]] besides.
** Kid Flash (Iris West, Wally's daughter) is also quite popular and has made frequent appearances in the regular DC Universe long before Superman did.



*** And they also note that the traditional heroes never had to deal with threats like Genosyde and the Murder Squad - if they had a better answer for those situations, the anti-heroes are all ears.
*** Though it's also said earlier that Genosyde blew up Belle Reve penitentiary, Arkham Asylum, *and* Blackgate killing most of Batman's enemies; this seems to imply that Genosyde was simply a more extreme version of the killer vigilantes we see in the main series.



** Considering that the Joker is an unrepentant mass-murderer that both the system and the 'classic' superheroes haven't dealt with yet, is it any surprise that the Magog's killing him is supported?

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** Considering that the Joker is an unrepentant mass-murderer that both the system and the 'classic' superheroes haven't dealt with yet, is it any surprise that the Magog's killing him is supported?supported? The {{novelization}} goes into a bit more detail, explaining that Comicbook/LoisLane had sacrificed herself to give Superman the opening he needed to arrest The Joker, and as such Magog killing him made Lois' death completely pointless.
3rd May '16 12:45:27 PM AnotherGuy
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** Hoo boy, the {{Novelization}} has Mera mentioning rumors Arthur and Diane were going to have a royal wedding to unite Themiscrya and Atlantis. Cue ''Comicbook/{{Flashpoint}}''. Yeah.
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