History YMMV / KimagureOrangeRoad

7th Mar '17 5:30:19 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]], but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''.

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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]], true]] (Madoka's inability to connect with people is seen as a serious flaw and Kyousuke is an idiot but at least attempts to be a good person), but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''. It also involves lots of hypocrisy, since these fans want Hikaru to more loved by the fandom in general... but then turn their backs and bash Madoka and Kyousuke, ''aka pulling the same fandom misbehavior that they crucify others for''.



** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans, as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru.

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** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans, as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru. Sadly, as said above, the louder ones [[HypoCrite cannot express sympathy for Hikaru without bashing Kyousuke]].



* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards, specially if the fans, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards, specially if the fans, standards... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]
2nd Mar '17 10:20:22 AM Larkmarn
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And it's best not to go into details about that.]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter: People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Others see it as him being a not-too-bright young teen who ''also'' is a product of a conservative society like the Japan of TheEighties, and who doesn't fully grow up until he becomes an IntrepidReporter and witnesses the ''horrifying'' Yugoslavian Wars.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And it's best not to go into details about that.]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter:
BaseBreakingCharacter:
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People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Others see it as him being a not-too-bright young teen who ''also'' is a product of a conservative society like the Japan of TheEighties, and who doesn't fully grow up until he becomes an IntrepidReporter and witnesses the ''horrifying'' Yugoslavian Wars.Wars.
** Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]].
1st Mar '17 2:48:23 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot.

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* BaseBreakingCharacter: People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Others see it as him being a not-too-bright young teen who ''also'' is a product of a conservative society like the Japan of TheEighties, and who doesn't fully grow up until he becomes an IntrepidReporter and witnesses the ''horrifying'' Yugoslavian Wars.



* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without accusing Madoka of being a slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view is exactly true.

to:

* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true.true]], but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''.



** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru.

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** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans fans, as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru.
1st Mar '17 2:38:56 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousJudgementEdit And it's best not to go into details about that.]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter: In the past people could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Due to ValuesDissonance, nowadays he has become more of TheScrappy.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousJudgementEdit [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And it's best not to go into details about that.]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter: In the past people People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Due to ValuesDissonance, nowadays he has become more of TheScrappy.idiot.



* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without accusing Madoka of being a slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick.

to:

* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without accusing Madoka of being a slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view is exactly true.



** Hikaru, partly because her hyper personality can get annoying, but mostly because she gets in the way of Kyosuke/Madoka, acting exaggeratedly clingy and affectionate to TastesLikeDiabetes levels.
** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru.

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** Hikaru, partly because her hyper personality can get annoying, but mostly because she gets in the way of Kyosuke/Madoka, plus acting exaggeratedly clingy and affectionate to TastesLikeDiabetes levels.
levels. (This is more of [[CharacterExaggeration an anime trait]], however.)
** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru.



* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards, [[RuleOfCautiousJudgementEdit and that's all that should be said.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards, [[RuleOfCautiousJudgementEdit specially if the fans, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]
1st Mar '17 2:35:08 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditJudgement And it's best not to go into details about that.]]

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditJudgement [[RuleOfCautiousJudgementEdit And it's best not to go into details about that.]]



* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards.

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* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards. standards, [[RuleOfCautiousJudgementEdit and that's all that should be said.]]
1st Mar '17 2:34:34 PM GlitteringFlowers
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually [[{{TheirFirstTime}} "gives it up" for Kyosuke]]. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self. He was her FirstKiss and thus she modified her entire personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually [[{{TheirFirstTime}} "gives it up" for Kyosuke]]. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self. He was her FirstKiss and thus she modified her entire personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of [[RuleOfCautiousEditJudgement And it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and best not with which girl he likes more.to go into details about that.]]



* DieForOurShip: Hikaru has been bashed and hated for ''decades'' by rabid Madoka/Kyōsuke shippers. See RevengeFic.
* DeaderThanDisco: This was one of the biggest series of the 80s but you hardly hear about it nowadays due to massive ValuesDissonance. New reviews for the series are overwhelmingly negative. Many positive reviews for the series date back to the 90s internet era, and if they are modern reviews then they admit to a case of NostalgiaFilter for not having seen the series in years. There is some middle ground with people acknowledging it has aged terribly but is significant for pioneering many of the tropes found in modern shounen romantic comedy by borrowing ideas from American teen movies.
* DesignatedHero: Kyosuke is presented as a NiceGuy by the plot but he has a lot of {{Jerkass}} behavior, mostly through being sexist and dishonest. He controls what his sisters can do such as what they wear, he lies to everyone, he strings along Madoka and Hikaru for years (who are also best friends, nonetheless) and constantly breaks their hearts in the process.
* EscapistCharacter: Kyosuke is this as he serves as both an AuthorAvatar for Izumi Matsumoto and AudienceSurrogate for the fanboys attracted to Madoka.

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* DieForOurShip: Hikaru has been bashed and hated for ''decades'' by rabid Madoka/Kyōsuke shippers. See RevengeFic.\n
* DeaderThanDisco: This was one of the biggest series of the 80s but you hardly few hear about it nowadays due to massive ValuesDissonance. New reviews for the series are overwhelmingly negative. Many positive reviews for the series date back to the 90s internet era, and if they are modern reviews then they admit to a case of NostalgiaFilter for not having seen the series in years. There is some middle ground with people acknowledging it has aged terribly but is significant for pioneering many of the tropes found in modern shounen romantic comedy by borrowing ideas from American teen movies.\n* DesignatedHero: Kyosuke is presented as a NiceGuy by the plot but he has a lot of {{Jerkass}} behavior, mostly through being sexist and dishonest. He controls what his sisters can do such as what they wear, he lies to everyone, he strings along Madoka and Hikaru for years (who are also best friends, nonetheless) and constantly breaks their hearts in the process.\n* EscapistCharacter: Kyosuke is this as he serves as both an AuthorAvatar for Izumi Matsumoto and AudienceSurrogate for the fanboys attracted to Madoka.



* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: OlderAndWiser fans, plus newer ones, have become far more sympathetic towards Hikaru.
* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without accusing Madoka of being a slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick.



* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards. The men play with the emotions of women like a game, staring at them is perfectly fine and ignoring their consent in order to sleep with them is considered honourable and "manly".

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* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards. The men play with the emotions of women like a game, staring at them is perfectly fine and ignoring their consent in order to sleep with them is considered honourable and "manly".
20th Jan '17 2:53:24 PM chizo
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self. He was her FirstKiss and thus she modified her entire personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually [[{{TheirFirstTime}} "gives it up" for Kyosuke.Kyosuke]]. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self. He was her FirstKiss and thus she modified her entire personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.
18th Jan '17 7:19:04 PM chizo
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self and thus he is her FirstKiss, she modified her personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self self. He was her FirstKiss and thus he is her FirstKiss, she modified her entire personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.
18th Jan '17 7:18:05 PM chizo
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever but is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self and thus he is her FirstKiss, she modified her personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.

to:

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]] but she is still a virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever but - he is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self and thus he is her FirstKiss, she modified her personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.
18th Jan '17 7:17:10 PM chizo
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} While she is flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]], she is still a [[MyGirlIsNotASlut virgin]], since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]] (and she eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke). Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self and thus he is her FirstKiss, she modified her personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but many others see her as an overly perfect woman that Matumoto created for his [[AuthorAvatar self-insert Kyosuke]] to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. She is a [[{{AloofDarkHairedGirl}} tall, dark and mysterious girl]] with too many talents to list. A few of these talents include knowing martial arts, being able to play 20 different musical instruments, being a great dancer, dressing so wonderfully she gives others fashion advice, perform complicated gymnastics stunts, get the top marks in the school, play tennis at a professional level, and surf a giant wave that has ''killed numerous people before'' - all while being a [[TroubledButCute notorious ex-gangster with absent parents]]. Madoka is [[{{UrbanLegendLoveLife}} While she is flirtatious and always being fought over by boys]], boys]] but she is still a [[MyGirlIsNotASlut virgin]], virgin, since no matter how many terrible things a girl might do, she is [[{{MadonnaWhoreComplex}} still good if she has kept her virginity]] (and virginity]]. Kyosuke is constantly worried that she might have had sex before because that would mean she is DefiledForever but is relieved when he learns that [[{{MyGirlIsNotASlut}} she is still "pure"]], and Madoka eventually "gives it up" for Kyosuke).Kyosuke. Out of all the eligible suitors she has met in life, she chooses the [[TheGenericGuy incredibly average Kysouke]]. The plot chalks them up to being each other's OneTrueLove as Madoka first fell in love with him after he travelled back in time to meet her younger self and thus he is her FirstKiss, she modified her personality to become more girly as per his request and had been "saving herself up" for when she would meet him again as an older girl. [[{{SatelliteLoveInterest}} Madoka's backstory is never really explored]], and she has no real faults because as a tsundere character - [[{{FetishFuel}} her moodiness and delinquency are played off as attractive]]. The anime ''really'' goes out of it's way to make Madoka look amazing while [[DerailingLoveInterests reducing Hikaru to a screaming lunatic]] with Kysouke only being indecisive in how he should deal with Hikaru and not with which girl he likes more.
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