History YMMV / KimagureOrangeRoad

2nd Jul '17 9:10:14 AM annette12
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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Back in the day the anime was ''wildly'' popular in Italy with the title [[CompletelyDifferentTitle ''È Quasi Magia Johnny'']], and is still regarded as a classic. In fact, the Italian counterpart of the BettyAndVeronica trope is named after Madoka and Hikaru (their Italian names "Sabrina and Tinetta") as seen [[It/ElencoProvvisorioB here]], since [[TropeNamer Betty and Veronica themselves]] are not that famous in Italy.

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* GermansLoveDavidHasselhoff: Back in the day the anime was ''wildly'' popular in Italy with the title [[CompletelyDifferentTitle ''È Quasi Magia Johnny'']], and is still regarded as a classic. In fact, the Italian counterpart of the BettyAndVeronica trope is named after Madoka and Hikaru (their Italian names "Sabrina and Tinetta") as seen [[It/ElencoProvvisorioB here]], It/SabrinaETinetta), since [[TropeNamer Betty and Veronica themselves]] are not that famous in Italy.
2nd Jul '17 3:45:51 AM annette12
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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]] (Madoka's inability to connect with people is seen as a serious flaw and Kyousuke is an idiot but at least attempts to be a good person), but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''. It also involves lots of hypocrisy, since these fans want Hikaru to more loved by the fandom in general... but then turn their backs and bash Madoka and Kyousuke, ''aka pulling the same fandom misbehavior that they crucify others for''.

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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut, slut and an oversexualized MsFanservice who is unrealistically good at everything, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]] (Madoka's inability to connect with people is seen as a serious flaw and Kyousuke is an idiot but at least attempts to be a good person), but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''. It also involves lots of hypocrisy, since these fans want Hikaru to more loved by the fandom in general... but then turn their backs and bash Madoka and Kyousuke, ''aka pulling the same fandom misbehavior that they crucify others for''.
22nd Jun '17 5:38:33 PM RickyR
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* DeaderThanDisco: This was one of the biggest series of the 80s but few hear about it nowadays due to massive ValuesDissonance. New reviews for the series are overwhelmingly negative.

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* DeaderThanDisco: This was one of the biggest series of the 80s but few hear about it nowadays due to massive ValuesDissonance. New reviews for the series are overwhelmingly negative.aren't as positive as they used to be.
22nd Jun '17 4:15:15 AM LittleBuster
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* DeaderThanDisco: This was one of the biggest series of the 80s but few hear about it nowadays due to massive ValuesDissonance. New reviews for the series are overwhelmingly negative.
22nd Jun '17 2:43:11 AM someguysomeguy
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* {{Narm}}:
** All of the English dialogue in the "Hawaiian Suspense" OVA.

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{{Narm}}: All of the English dialogue in the "Hawaiian Suspense" OVA.



* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]
22nd Jun '17 2:38:21 AM someguysomeguy
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22nd Jun '17 2:34:01 AM someguysomeguy
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* DeaderThanDisco: This was one of the biggest series of the 80s but few hear about it nowadays due to massive ValuesDissonance. New reviews for the series are overwhelmingly negative.



** Madoka fights with guitar picks and the lengths the series will go to make her look cool can come off as TotallyRadical. This is most prominent in episodes featuring Madoka's sukeban days, especially the one with the skateboard race.
5th Jun '17 8:12:01 PM MagBas
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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]] (Madoka's inability to connect with people is seen as a serious flaw and Kyousuke is an idiot but at least attempts to be a good person), but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''. It also involves lots of hypocrisy, since these fans want Hikaru to more loved by the fandom in general... but then turn their backs and bash Madoka and Kyousuke, ''aka pulling the same fandom misbehavior that they crucify others for''.

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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, slut, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]] (Madoka's inability to connect with people is seen as a serious flaw and Kyousuke is an idiot but at least attempts to be a good person), but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''. It also involves lots of hypocrisy, since these fans want Hikaru to more loved by the fandom in general... but then turn their backs and bash Madoka and Kyousuke, ''aka pulling the same fandom misbehavior that they crucify others for''.
7th Mar '17 5:30:19 AM GlitteringFlowers
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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]], but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''.

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* RonTheDeathEater: It looks like some of the new fans who appreciate Hikaru more cannot do that without either accusing Madoka of being a selfish slut or a MarySue, or without portraying Kyousuke as an evil JerkAss who only thinks with his dick. '''Neither''' view [[HumansAreFlawed is exactly true]], true]] (Madoka's inability to connect with people is seen as a serious flaw and Kyousuke is an idiot but at least attempts to be a good person), but they're spotted around ''even on this very wiki''. It also involves lots of hypocrisy, since these fans want Hikaru to more loved by the fandom in general... but then turn their backs and bash Madoka and Kyousuke, ''aka pulling the same fandom misbehavior that they crucify others for''.



** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans, as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru.

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** Kyosuke has become this towards newer fans, as they become more sympathetic towards Hikaru. Sadly, as said above, the louder ones [[HypoCrite cannot express sympathy for Hikaru without bashing Kyousuke]].



* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards, specially if the fans, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]

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* ValuesDissonance: The series comes off as incredibly sexist by today's standards, specially if the fans, standards... [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment and that's all that should be said.]]
2nd Mar '17 10:20:22 AM Larkmarn
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And it's best not to go into details about that.]]
* BaseBreakingCharacter: People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Others see it as him being a not-too-bright young teen who ''also'' is a product of a conservative society like the Japan of TheEighties, and who doesn't fully grow up until he becomes an IntrepidReporter and witnesses the ''horrifying'' Yugoslavian Wars.

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]]. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment And it's best not to go into details about that.]]
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People could not decide on whether Kyosuke was a relatable and adorkable everyman or if he was a sexist and hypocritical idiot. Others see it as him being a not-too-bright young teen who ''also'' is a product of a conservative society like the Japan of TheEighties, and who doesn't fully grow up until he becomes an IntrepidReporter and witnesses the ''horrifying'' Yugoslavian Wars.Wars.
** Madoka is often lauded for being a well-crafted (and one of the first) tsundere characters but some see her as an overly perfect woman that Matsumoto created for Kyosuke to [[WishFulfillment end up with]].
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