History YMMV / Kane

20th Jun '16 5:17:25 AM N8han11
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* BadassDecay: Some will point to the Katie Vick angle as an example of this - and it certainly counts - but most will point to a single moment: when Kane lost his mask. Many fans feel he's never recovered from this.
** The moment itself is being treated as CanonDiscontinuity by Wrestling/{{WWE}} these days. In a recent storyline Kane stated that he was unmasked by Wrestling/TheUndertaker (though he ''was'' unmasked by the Undertaker at Summerslam 2000 before his permanent unmasking, he put the mask back on afterwards).
*** Remember, the person who said Undertaker had unmasked Kane was Kane himself, and in kayfabe, Kane's always been a little...unbalanced. So Kane could have convinced himself that it was Undertaker who caused him to permanently unmasked, even though it was actually Wrestling/TripleH who was the mastermind behind the unmasking, because he hates Undertaker that much.
** In an interview, Glen Jacobs claimed that the only people 100% behind the unmasking were [[{{Wrestling/VinceMcMahon}} Vince [=McMahon=]]]...and himself. He felt that they had taken the character as far as they could behind the mask, and that the addition of facial expression allowed him to add more depth to the performance. He also noted that it was becoming increasingly uncomfortable and difficult to wrestle with the mask on, and that removing it was a relief.
** Really, aside from the SpecialEffectsFailure, the unmasking itself wasn't a problem. In the months immediately following the unmasking, Kane committed such acts as throwing Wrestling/RobVanDam (his friend at the time) through a steel cage, setting [[Wrestling/JimRoss Good Old J.R.]] on fire, tombstoning Linda [=McMahon=], electrotorturing [[{{Wrestling/ShaneMcMahon}} Shane O'Mac]]'s testicles with a car battery, beating Shane in the first ambulance match by tombstoning him on the concrete floor, and burying the Undertaker alive. He sent the whole faction of Evolution running scared from him when he made his entrances. The problems started when they put him in the world title picture for all of a month so he could destroy Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} so that Triple H could beat him; after that, they didn't have anything for him to do up until the Royal Rumble where they started teasing the Undertaker's return, and from that point it was only a matter of time until he was used to worf to the returned Deadman. Once that storyline was out of the way, they didn't have any idea what to do with him, and it all went down hill from there.

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* BadassDecay: BadassDecay:
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Some will point to the Katie Vick angle as an example of this - and it certainly counts - but most will point to a single moment: when Kane lost his mask. Many fans feel he's never recovered from this.
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this. The moment itself is being treated as CanonDiscontinuity by Wrestling/{{WWE}} these days. In a recent storyline Kane stated that he was unmasked by Wrestling/TheUndertaker (though he ''was'' unmasked by the Undertaker at Summerslam 2000 before his permanent unmasking, he put the mask back on afterwards).
*** Remember, the person who said Undertaker had unmasked Kane was Kane himself, and in kayfabe, Kane's always been a little...unbalanced. So Kane could have convinced himself that it was Undertaker who caused him to permanently unmasked, even though it was actually Wrestling/TripleH who was the mastermind behind the unmasking, because he hates Undertaker that much.
** In an interview, Glen Jacobs claimed that the only people 100% behind the unmasking were [[{{Wrestling/VinceMcMahon}} Vince [=McMahon=]]]...and himself. He felt that they had taken the character as far as they could behind the mask, and that the addition of facial expression allowed him to add more depth to the performance. He also noted that it was becoming increasingly uncomfortable and difficult to wrestle with the mask on, and that removing it was a relief.
** Really, aside from the SpecialEffectsFailure, the unmasking itself wasn't a problem. In the months immediately following the unmasking, Kane committed such acts as throwing Wrestling/RobVanDam (his friend at the time) through a steel cage, setting [[Wrestling/JimRoss Good Old J.R.]] on fire, tombstoning Linda [=McMahon=], electrotorturing [[{{Wrestling/ShaneMcMahon}} Shane O'Mac]]'s testicles with a car battery, beating Shane in the first ambulance match by tombstoning him on the concrete floor, and burying the Undertaker alive. He sent the whole faction of Evolution running scared from him when he made his entrances. The problems started when they put him in the world title picture for all of a month so he could destroy Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} so that Triple H could beat him; after that, they didn't have anything for him to do up until the Royal Rumble where they started teasing the Undertaker's return, and from that point it was only a matter of time until he was used to worf to the returned Deadman. Once that storyline was out of the way, they didn't have any idea what to do with him, and it all went down hill from there.
afterwards).



** His first theme went well with how his character debuted, and his newest theme sounds a bit like his first theme without the guitar riff. Both are awesome.
*** His latest theme since remasking is an awesome [[ThemeMusicPowerUp mix of the two]] which actually fits his [[CompositeCharacter persona]].
* [[DesignatedHero Designated Face]]: Kane often turns face by default only because the person he's feuding with just happens to be an even bigger heel. Certainly the most prominent (and questionable) example is his feud with Edge over Lita, in which his characterization would be summarized as "Vengeful, jilted rapist." And he was the hero...if [[RealLifeWritesThePlot real life didn't]] [[YourCheatingHeart write the plot]], WWE even coming up with this would've backfired unless the intention was to double-turn Edge and Kane rather than make Wrestling/{{Lita}} heel. Lita turned into something of a DesignatedVillain for walking out on her abusive rapist husband.
* [[DesignatedVillain Designated Heel]]: [[FaceHeelTurn Turned heel]] on the Undertaker right before ''[=SummerSlam=] 2000'', since UT's original intended opponent, Wrestling/TheBigShow, had been [[PutOnABus shipped off to]] WWE's then-developmental league Ohio Valley Wrestling in hopes that he could lose some weight. While the turn was a surprise as far as Kane's character direction at the time, if you need someone to go heel on UT at a moment's notice...

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** His first theme went well with how his character debuted, and his newest second theme sounds sounded a bit like his first theme without the guitar riff. Both are awesome.
*** ** His latest theme since remasking is an awesome [[ThemeMusicPowerUp mix of the two]] which actually fits his [[CompositeCharacter persona]].
* [[DesignatedHero Designated Face]]: DesignatedHero: Kane often turns face by default only because the person he's feuding with just happens to be an even bigger heel. Certainly the most prominent (and questionable) example is his feud with Edge over Lita, in which his characterization would be summarized as "Vengeful, jilted rapist." And he was the hero...if [[RealLifeWritesThePlot real life didn't]] [[YourCheatingHeart write the plot]], WWE even coming up with this would've backfired unless the intention was to double-turn Edge and Kane rather than make Wrestling/{{Lita}} heel. Lita turned into something of a DesignatedVillain for walking out on her abusive rapist husband.
* [[DesignatedVillain Designated Heel]]: DesignatedVillain: [[FaceHeelTurn Turned heel]] on the Undertaker right before ''[=SummerSlam=] 2000'', since UT's original intended opponent, Wrestling/TheBigShow, had been [[PutOnABus shipped off to]] WWE's then-developmental league Ohio Valley Wrestling in hopes that he could lose some weight. While the turn was a surprise as far as Kane's character direction at the time, if you need someone to go heel on UT at a moment's notice...



* FromNobodyToNightmare: TheUnfavorite son of a Death Valley mortician to psychotic WrestlingMonster with demonic powers.

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* FromNobodyToNightmare: FromNobodyToNightmare:
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TheUnfavorite son of a Death Valley mortician to psychotic WrestlingMonster with demonic powers.



** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8uSWvOBlMg This]] malfunction, in which Kane's pyro doesn't go off, doubles as a [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments Crowning Moment of Funny]].
*** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkJ8et4IYQM This]] one is even funnier because they eventually DID go off.
** This inevitably happens in the Inferno matches. When someone finally gets lit aflame, it never looks convincing. May be a big reason why WWE never really uses the match type.
*** On the other hand, the matches themselves tend to be pretty cool, if only for the fact that it's hard to beat the visual effect of [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome two men beating the shit out of each other while surrounded by a ring of fire]].

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** [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8uSWvOBlMg This]] malfunction, in which Kane's pyro doesn't go off, doubles as a [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments Crowning Moment of Funny]].
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Funny]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkJ8et4IYQM This]] one is even funnier because they eventually DID go off.
** This inevitably happens in the Inferno matches. When someone finally gets lit aflame, it never looks convincing. May be a big reason why WWE never really uses the match type.
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type. On the other hand, the matches themselves tend to be pretty cool, if only for the fact that it's hard to beat the visual effect of [[SugarWiki/VisualEffectsOfAwesome two men beating the shit out of each other while surrounded by a ring of fire]].



*** Worth nothing that it was Kane's decision to lose the mask, as he said it was becoming more difficult to wrestle with it on and that he felt limited with the character since he had to convey emotion with just his body. According to reports, only [[{{Wrestling/VinceMcMahon}} Vince [=McMahon=]]] was fully on-board with the change, but if there's one guy you need to sign off on an idea...
*** Also worth noting is that while even though it was incredibly unpopular even at the time, the unmasking did a lot to undo his BadassDecay; it wasn't until the Royal Rumble the following year where they started building up the return of the Undertaker, who Kane would eventually job to at Wrestlemania XX, that the decay began to set in again. For several months before that, Kane was nothing but an unstoppable monster.
** Just when he was becoming a Badass again, the recent storyline in which Wrestling/PaulBearer is abducted by Wrestling/{{Edge}} has managed to decay it all over again, with Kane insisting he's a human being with feelings, and that he loves the holidays and just wants his dad back.
*** It also just smacked of desperation, since he was beginning to sense Edge was just continuously one step ahead of him.
8th Apr '16 5:32:47 AM erforce
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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.

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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhands [[Film/EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.
2nd Mar '16 2:19:35 PM erforce
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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[Franchies/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.

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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[Franchies/FridayThe13th [[Franchise/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.
2nd Mar '16 2:06:18 PM erforce
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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.

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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[StarWars [[Franchise/StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[FridayThe13th [[Franchies/FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.
27th Feb '16 1:43:58 PM 10-13-2
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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhads Edward Scissorhands]], or Creator/BrandonLee in ''Film/TheCrow''.

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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhads [[EdwardScissorhands Edward Scissorhands]], or Creator/BrandonLee Brandon Lee in ''Film/TheCrow''.
27th Feb '16 1:41:37 PM 10-13-2
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* ShoutOut: Kane's costume seems to run the gamut of American popular culture, evoking various "dark" or Gothic" things. The red-and-black mask he wore (and never took off) between 1997 and 2003 looked eerily familiar to the bondage mask that was the unofficial logo of metal band Music/QuietRiot during the 1980s, while the iron mask he wore during his entrances during his 2011-2012 heel run had a vibe of either [[StarWars Darth Vader]] or [[FridayThe13th Jason Voorhees]], depending on which color you imagined it to be. Meanwhile, the black tights with red stitches across them that have been part of his costume for the majority of his career look remarkably similar to those donned by Creator/MichellePfeiffer for her role as Catwoman in ''BatmanReturns''; others might be reminded of [[EdwardScissorhads Edward Scissorhands]], or Creator/BrandonLee in ''Film/TheCrow''.
30th Oct '15 6:05:06 PM nombretomado
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* XPacHeat: "The Demon" Kane of 2014 is a complete and absolute heat vacuum. Literally every time that his pyro goes off, the crowd knows that something terrible is going to happen. One cause of this seems to be the opinion that it's a blatant retread of his "Embrace The Hate" feud with JohnCena from a few years prior, only with Cena and Wrestling/ZackRyder's roles combined into Wrestling/DanielBryan this time. The fact that, after Bryan's temporary departure due to injury, Kane has been very little besides the Authority's lackey (such as actively helping Wrestling/SethRollins win his Money in the Bank briefcase and nearly throwing the match for himself to do the same for Randy Orton with the title) and a punching back for John Cena and Wrestling/RomanReigns has done little to give the audience any reason to care about him.

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* XPacHeat: "The Demon" Kane of 2014 is a complete and absolute heat vacuum. Literally every time that his pyro goes off, the crowd knows that something terrible is going to happen. One cause of this seems to be the opinion that it's a blatant retread of his "Embrace The Hate" feud with JohnCena Wrestling/JohnCena from a few years prior, only with Cena and Wrestling/ZackRyder's roles combined into Wrestling/DanielBryan this time. The fact that, after Bryan's temporary departure due to injury, Kane has been very little besides the Authority's lackey (such as actively helping Wrestling/SethRollins win his Money in the Bank briefcase and nearly throwing the match for himself to do the same for Randy Orton with the title) and a punching back for John Cena and Wrestling/RomanReigns has done little to give the audience any reason to care about him.
1st Oct '15 7:12:45 PM Prime_of_Perfection
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** Is possibly this again in his 2015 run as both Corporate Kane & Demon Kane. All signs point to him playing mind games with Seth Rollins for revenge, alternating between his Corporate persona when he needs to use the power to setup anything or feign innocence and The Demon persona to personally attack Rollins.
30th Jul '15 2:07:48 PM StarTreker
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* FoeYay: With Wrestling/TheBigShow, ("You complete me"), Wrestling/RobVanDam, [[IncestSubtext his own brother]], [[Wrestling/ReyMysterioJr Rey Mysterio]], [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]]...Kane's an intense guy, and when he's teaming with them, he has straight up HoYay.

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* FoeYay: With Wrestling/TheBigShow, ("You complete me"), Wrestling/RobVanDam, [[IncestSubtext his own brother]], [[Wrestling/ReyMysterioJr Rey Mysterio]], [[Wrestling/BryanDanielson Daniel Bryan]]...Kane's an intense guy, and when he's teaming with them, he has straight up HoYay.
18th Jun '15 10:18:58 AM RobTan
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* FromNobodyToNightmare: TheUnfavorite son of a Death Valley mortician to psychotic WrestlingMonster with demonic powers.
** In a meta sense, Glenn Jacobs went from playing a wrestling dentist to one of the WWE's top Heels.
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