History YMMV / KamenRiderKiva

22nd Jun '18 1:30:45 PM miraculous
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* CompleteMonster: While the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Fangire race]] are the major antagonists in the series, there are 3 specific members who crossed the ultimate lines:

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* CompleteMonster: While the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Fangire race]] are the major antagonists in the series, there are 3 4 specific members who crossed the ultimate lines:
16th Jun '18 2:51:35 PM ACW
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**[[SinisterMinister Bishop, the Swallowtail Fangire]], is King's calm, psychopathic [[TheDragon right-hand man]]. A [[FantasticRacism firm believer in the superiority of Fangires]], Bishop informed the King of his wife's love for a human, resulting in Maya having her powers taken away from her. Trying to force Mio into embracing her fate as the new Queen, Bishop burns a Fangire in front of her when she refuses to kill him for having loved a human, later telling her that she must kill her LoveInterest if she wants to be a true Queen. Under Taiga's orders, Bishop uses his powers to awaken Wataru's Fangire blood, almost making him murder his own friends. Seeing Mio as a failure, Bishop assassinates her and pins the blame on Wataru, fully intending on leaving him depressed. Proudly confessing his crimes to Taiga, Bishop is kicked out of the Checkmate Four and uses a magical crystal ball to drain the souls of multiple people. Planning on bringing the previous King back, Bishop revives the defeated Fangires and orders them to murder every human they come across, sacrificing his own soul to complete the ritual just so he could become one with the King and "[[OmnicidalManiac destroy everything]]".
28th May '18 12:39:03 PM ACW
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* The ruthless [[BigBad Bat Fangire]]/[[VampireMonarch 1986 King]] is the lord of all Fangires, using his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races and persecute Jiro, the last of the Wolfen. Discovering his wife has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, the King tries to force her to kill Otoya, and when she refuses to do so, the King offers the surviving members of the races he meant to exterminate a chance to live if they kill Otoya for him. Transforming them all into [[EmpathicWeapon conscious weapons]] for trying to escape from him, the King captures Otoya and torturously drains him of his life energy to feed his living castle. Threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring his own infant son]] to prevent his wife from seeing Otoya again after he escapes, the King's actions [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgust even his most loyal servant]] to the point that he aids Otoya, giving him the power to destroy the King.
* [[PsychopathicManchild Rook, the Lion Fangire]], is an excitement-seeking sociopath who murdered Yuri Aso's mother twenty years before the work takes place, leading to Yuri's hatred of Fangires. A genocidal maniac, Rook drove the Wolfen race to near-extinction, leaving Jiro as the sole survivor. To sate his boredom, Rook invents a game in which he must eat a selected group of people within a given amount of time, eating ice cream if he succeeds and punishing himself with electric shocks if he fails. Inventing a new game, Rook decides to do good deeds before getting himself killed, not out of a genuine interest in kindness but merely to keep himself entertained.
* [[KickTheDog The Rhino Fangire]] tricks young people into believing he'll help make their dreams come true to lure them in so he can steal their life force. After killing them, he takes an item from them that relates to their dream as a trophy to put in his "Dream Graveyard". His choice of prey is based solely on a love for [[HopeCrusher crushing the dreams]] of young people and nothing else. Even [[TheHero Wataru]], who had generally tried to find the good in everyone, even Fangires, found his actions unforgivable.

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* ** The ruthless [[BigBad Bat Fangire]]/[[VampireMonarch 1986 King]] is the lord of all Fangires, using his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races and persecute Jiro, the last of the Wolfen. Discovering his wife has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, the King tries to force her to kill Otoya, and when she refuses to do so, the King offers the surviving members of the races he meant to exterminate a chance to live if they kill Otoya for him. Transforming them all into [[EmpathicWeapon conscious weapons]] for trying to escape from him, the King captures Otoya and torturously drains him of his life energy to feed his living castle. Threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring his own infant son]] to prevent his wife from seeing Otoya again after he escapes, the King's actions [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgust even his most loyal servant]] to the point that he aids Otoya, giving him the power to destroy the King.
* ** [[PsychopathicManchild Rook, the Lion Fangire]], is an excitement-seeking sociopath who murdered Yuri Aso's mother twenty years before the work takes place, leading to Yuri's hatred of Fangires. A genocidal maniac, Rook drove the Wolfen race to near-extinction, leaving Jiro as the sole survivor. To sate his boredom, Rook invents a game in which he must eat a selected group of people within a given amount of time, eating ice cream if he succeeds and punishing himself with electric shocks if he fails. Inventing a new game, Rook decides to do good deeds before getting himself killed, not out of a genuine interest in kindness but merely to keep himself entertained.
* ** [[KickTheDog The Rhino Fangire]] tricks young people into believing he'll help make their dreams come true to lure them in so he can steal their life force. After killing them, he takes an item from them that relates to their dream as a trophy to put in his "Dream Graveyard". His choice of prey is based solely on a love for [[HopeCrusher crushing the dreams]] of young people and nothing else. Even [[TheHero Wataru]], who had generally tried to find the good in everyone, even Fangires, found his actions unforgivable.
28th May '18 12:38:46 PM ACW
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** [[BigBad The Bat Fangire]], more commonly known as the [[VampireMonarch 1986 King]], is a ruthless tyrant who fails to understand the concept of love. As the original lord of all Fangires, the King uses his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races, as well as persecute [[LastOfHisKind Jiro, the last Wolfen]]. When he finds out that his wife Maya has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, he tries to force her to kill him with the logic that if he kills her for her infidelity it would mean he actually cared for her, so this is much better. When she does not go through with it, the King offers Jiro, as well as the sole surviving Merman and Franken, a chance to avoid extermination in exchange for killing Otoya. When they choose to escape instead, the King forcibly transforms them into {{Empathic Weapon}}s. He then kidnaps Otoya and attempts to use his life energy to feed Castle Doran, the King's living castle. When Otoya escapes, the King exposes his lack of any sense of love toward his own wife by threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring their own infant son]] as blackmail to prevent her from seeing Otoya again. This [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgusts Kivat-bat the 2nd]], who is meant to be the King's loyal TransformationTrinket, so much that he offers Otoya a chance to become Kamen Rider Dark Kiva in order to destroy the King.
** The Lion Fangire, also known as Rook, is an AxCrazy, merciless, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking easily bored]] {{Sociopath}} who treats the lives of humans and monsters alike as a game. Twenty years before Wataru becomes Kamen Rider Kiva, Rook murdered Yuri Aso's mother so traumatically that Yuri swore vengeance on all Fangires (including Wataru's mother Maya). He also was single-handedly responsible for driving the Wolfen race to near-extinction, leaving Jiro as the sole survivor of his genocidal rampage. As the flashbacks progress, Rook devises his personal game to combat boredom called the "Time Play," in which he hunts and eats a select group of people within a time limit. If he succeeds in killing the intended number of people, he rewards himself with ice cream; fail and he self-punishes himself with electric shocks. His already suspect sanity gets even worse when he reawakens and regains his memories in 2008. He proposes a new game which would have him do good deeds before getting himself killed not out of a change of heart but from boredom from constantly playing the "Time Play" game.
** The Rhino Fangire was rather nasty. He tricks young people into believing he'll help make their dreams come true to lure them in so he can steal their life force. After killing them, he takes an item from them that relates to their dream as a trophy to put in his "Dream Graveyard". His choice of prey is based solely on a love for crushing the dreams of young people and nothing else. Even [[TheHero Wataru]], who had generally tried to find the good in everyone, even Fangires, found his actions unforgivable.

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** * The ruthless [[BigBad The Bat Fangire]], more commonly known as the [[VampireMonarch Fangire]]/[[VampireMonarch 1986 King]], King]] is a ruthless tyrant who fails to understand the concept of love. As the original lord of all Fangires, the King uses using his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races, as well as races and persecute [[LastOfHisKind Jiro, the last Wolfen]]. When he finds out that of the Wolfen. Discovering his wife Maya has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, he the King tries to force her to kill him with the logic that if he kills her for her infidelity it would mean he actually cared for her, so this is much better. When Otoya, and when she does not go through with it, refuses to do so, the King offers Jiro, as well as the sole surviving Merman and Franken, members of the races he meant to exterminate a chance to avoid extermination in exchange for killing Otoya. When live if they choose kill Otoya for him. Transforming them all into [[EmpathicWeapon conscious weapons]] for trying to escape instead, from him, the King forcibly transforms them into {{Empathic Weapon}}s. He then kidnaps captures Otoya and attempts to use torturously drains him of his life energy to feed Castle Doran, the King's his living castle. When Otoya escapes, the King exposes his lack of any sense of love toward his own wife by threatening Threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring their his own infant son]] as blackmail to prevent her his wife from seeing Otoya again. This again after he escapes, the King's actions [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgusts Kivat-bat the 2nd]], who is meant to be the King's disgust even his most loyal TransformationTrinket, so much servant]] to the point that he offers Otoya a chance to become Kamen Rider Dark Kiva in order aids Otoya, giving him the power to destroy the King.
** The Lion Fangire, also known as * [[PsychopathicManchild Rook, the Lion Fangire]], is an AxCrazy, merciless, and [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking easily bored]] {{Sociopath}} excitement-seeking sociopath who treats the lives of humans and monsters alike as a game. Twenty years before Wataru becomes Kamen Rider Kiva, Rook murdered Yuri Aso's mother so traumatically that Yuri swore vengeance on all Fangires (including Wataru's mother Maya). He also was single-handedly responsible for driving twenty years before the work takes place, leading to Yuri's hatred of Fangires. A genocidal maniac, Rook drove the Wolfen race to near-extinction, leaving Jiro as the sole survivor of survivor. To sate his genocidal rampage. As the flashbacks progress, boredom, Rook devises his personal invents a game to combat boredom called the "Time Play," in which he hunts and eats must eat a select selected group of people within a time limit. If given amount of time, eating ice cream if he succeeds in killing the intended number of people, he rewards himself with ice cream; fail and he self-punishes punishing himself with electric shocks. His already suspect sanity gets even worse when shocks if he reawakens and regains his memories in 2008. He proposes fails. Inventing a new game which would have him game, Rook decides to do good deeds before getting himself killed killed, not out of a change of heart genuine interest in kindness but from boredom from constantly playing the "Time Play" game.
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merely to keep himself entertained.
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The Rhino Fangire was rather nasty. He Fangire]] tricks young people into believing he'll help make their dreams come true to lure them in so he can steal their life force. After killing them, he takes an item from them that relates to their dream as a trophy to put in his "Dream Graveyard". His choice of prey is based solely on a love for [[HopeCrusher crushing the dreams dreams]] of young people and nothing else. Even [[TheHero Wataru]], who had generally tried to find the good in everyone, even Fangires, found his actions unforgivable.
21st May '18 4:00:42 PM simonscot
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** ''X'' got a [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] before Kiva![[labelnote:Explanation]] As explained in MemeticLoser, even 8 years after his series aired, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten a Figuarts whereas all other Riders have already gotten theirs.[[/labelnote]]

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** ''X'' got a [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] before Kiva![[labelnote:Explanation]] As explained in MemeticLoser, even 8 9 years after his series aired, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten a Figuarts whereas all other Riders have already gotten theirs.[[/labelnote]]
21st May '18 3:34:00 AM miraculous
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* CompleteMonster: While the Fangire race are the major antagonists in the series, there are 3 specific members who crossed the ultimate lines:

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* CompleteMonster: While the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Fangire race race]] are the major antagonists in the series, there are 3 specific members who crossed the ultimate lines:
21st Jan '18 12:46:38 AM ACW
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** [[BatOutOfHell The Bat Fangire]], more commonly known as the [[VampireMonarch 1986 King]], is a ruthless tyrant who fails to understand the concept of love. As the original lord of all Fangires, the King uses his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races, as well as persecute [[LastOfHisKind Jiro, the last Wolfen]]. When he finds out that his wife Maya has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, he tries to force her to kill him with the logic that if he kills her for her infidelity it would mean he actually cared for her, so this is much better. When she does not go through with it, the King offers Jiro, as well as the sole surviving Merman and Franken, a chance to avoid extermination in exchange for killing Otoya. When they choose to escape instead, the King forcibly transforms them into {{Empathic Weapon}}s. He then kidnaps Otoya and attempts to use his life energy to feed Castle Doran, the King's living castle. When Otoya escapes, the King exposes his lack of any sense of love toward his own wife by threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring their own infant son]] as blackmail to prevent her from seeing Otoya again. This [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgusts Kivat-bat the 2nd]], who is meant to be the King's loyal TransformationTrinket, so much that he offers Otoya a chance to become Kamen Rider Dark Kiva in order to destroy the King.

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** [[BatOutOfHell [[BigBad The Bat Fangire]], more commonly known as the [[VampireMonarch 1986 King]], is a ruthless tyrant who fails to understand the concept of love. As the original lord of all Fangires, the King uses his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races, as well as persecute [[LastOfHisKind Jiro, the last Wolfen]]. When he finds out that his wife Maya has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, he tries to force her to kill him with the logic that if he kills her for her infidelity it would mean he actually cared for her, so this is much better. When she does not go through with it, the King offers Jiro, as well as the sole surviving Merman and Franken, a chance to avoid extermination in exchange for killing Otoya. When they choose to escape instead, the King forcibly transforms them into {{Empathic Weapon}}s. He then kidnaps Otoya and attempts to use his life energy to feed Castle Doran, the King's living castle. When Otoya escapes, the King exposes his lack of any sense of love toward his own wife by threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring their own infant son]] as blackmail to prevent her from seeing Otoya again. This [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgusts Kivat-bat the 2nd]], who is meant to be the King's loyal TransformationTrinket, so much that he offers Otoya a chance to become Kamen Rider Dark Kiva in order to destroy the King.
3rd Jan '18 8:14:23 PM RoarkTenjouin
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* MemeticLoser: Kiva himself is his, at least in the [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] side of the fanbase. As of 2017, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten an official Figuarts while almost every other Kamen Rider (Including ones from ''[[UpToEleven Kiva itself]]'') has already had one. Even one-off riders like [[Series/KamenRiderFourze Nadeshiko]] and [[Series/KamenRiderDrive Sangou]] have already seen a Figuarts release before Kiva. It's common to see fans joking about how certain Riders and [[Franchise/PrettyCure Precures]] have received a Figuarts before Kiva[[note]]the most extreme example being that '''Music/MichaelJackson''' got a [[https://www.amazon.com/Bandai-Tamashii-Nations-Figuarts-Criminal/dp/B00KMO124W Figuarts]] before Kiva - not [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure Man In The Mirror]]; Michael Jackson himself![[/note]].

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* MemeticLoser: Kiva himself is his, at least in the [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] side of the fanbase. As of 2017, Kiva Kiva[[note]]his base form, anyways[[/note]] ''still'' hasn't gotten an official Figuarts while almost every other Kamen Rider (Including ones from ''[[UpToEleven Kiva itself]]'') has already had one. Even one-off riders like [[Series/KamenRiderFourze Nadeshiko]] and [[Series/KamenRiderDrive Sangou]] have already seen a Figuarts release before Kiva. It's common to see fans joking about how certain Riders and [[Franchise/PrettyCure Precures]] have received a Figuarts before Kiva[[note]]the most extreme example being that '''Music/MichaelJackson''' got a [[https://www.amazon.com/Bandai-Tamashii-Nations-Figuarts-Criminal/dp/B00KMO124W Figuarts]] before Kiva - not [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure Man In The Mirror]]; Michael Jackson himself![[/note]].
2nd Jan '18 9:03:34 AM simonscot
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* MemeticLoser: Kiva himself is his, at least in the [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] side of the fanbase. As of 2016, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten an official Figuarts while almost every other Kamen Rider (Including ones from ''[[UpToEleven Kiva itself]]'') has already had one. Even one-off riders like [[Series/KamenRiderFourze Nadeshiko]] and [[Series/KamenRiderDrive Sangou]] have already seen a Figuarts release before Kiva. It's common to see fans joking about how certain Riders and [[Franchise/PrettyCure Precures]] have received a Figuarts before Kiva[[note]]the most extreme example being that '''Music/MichaelJackson''' got a [[https://www.amazon.com/Bandai-Tamashii-Nations-Figuarts-Criminal/dp/B00KMO124W Figuarts]] before Kiva - not [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure Man In The Mirror]]; Michael Jackson himself![[/note]].

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* MemeticLoser: Kiva himself is his, at least in the [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] side of the fanbase. As of 2016, 2017, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten an official Figuarts while almost every other Kamen Rider (Including ones from ''[[UpToEleven Kiva itself]]'') has already had one. Even one-off riders like [[Series/KamenRiderFourze Nadeshiko]] and [[Series/KamenRiderDrive Sangou]] have already seen a Figuarts release before Kiva. It's common to see fans joking about how certain Riders and [[Franchise/PrettyCure Precures]] have received a Figuarts before Kiva[[note]]the most extreme example being that '''Music/MichaelJackson''' got a [[https://www.amazon.com/Bandai-Tamashii-Nations-Figuarts-Criminal/dp/B00KMO124W Figuarts]] before Kiva - not [[Manga/JoJosBizarreAdventure Man In The Mirror]]; Michael Jackson himself![[/note]].
5th Nov '17 9:20:59 AM ACW
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** [[BatOutOfHell The Bat Fangire]], more commonly known as the [[VampireMonarch 1986 King]], is a ruthless tyrant who fails to understand the concept of love. As the original lord of all Fangires, the King uses his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races, as well as persecute [[LastOfHisKind Jiro, the last Wolfen]]. When he finds out that his wife Maya has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, he tries to force her to kill him with the logic that if he kills her for her infidelity it would mean he actually cared for her, so this is much better. When she does not go through with it, the King offers Jiro, as well as the sole surviving Merman and Franken , a chance to avoid extermination in exchange for killing Otoya. When they choose to escape instead, the King forcibly transforms them into {{Empathic Weapon}}s. He then kidnaps Otoya and attempts to use his life energy to feed Castle Doran, the King's living castle. When Otoya escapes, the King exposes his lack of any sense of love toward his own wife by threating the life of [[OffingTheOffspring their own infant son]] as blackmail to prevent her from seeing Otoya again. This [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgusts Kivat-bat the 2nd]], who is meant to be the King's loyal TransformationTrinket, so much that he offers Otoya a chance to become Kamen Rider Dark Kiva in order to destroy the King.

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** [[BatOutOfHell The Bat Fangire]], more commonly known as the [[VampireMonarch 1986 King]], is a ruthless tyrant who fails to understand the concept of love. As the original lord of all Fangires, the King uses his position to annihilate the Merman and Franken races, as well as persecute [[LastOfHisKind Jiro, the last Wolfen]]. When he finds out that his wife Maya has fallen in love with Otoya Kurenai, he tries to force her to kill him with the logic that if he kills her for her infidelity it would mean he actually cared for her, so this is much better. When she does not go through with it, the King offers Jiro, as well as the sole surviving Merman and Franken , Franken, a chance to avoid extermination in exchange for killing Otoya. When they choose to escape instead, the King forcibly transforms them into {{Empathic Weapon}}s. He then kidnaps Otoya and attempts to use his life energy to feed Castle Doran, the King's living castle. When Otoya escapes, the King exposes his lack of any sense of love toward his own wife by threating threatening the life of [[OffingTheOffspring their own infant son]] as blackmail to prevent her from seeing Otoya again. This [[EvenEvilHasStandards disgusts Kivat-bat the 2nd]], who is meant to be the King's loyal TransformationTrinket, so much that he offers Otoya a chance to become Kamen Rider Dark Kiva in order to destroy the King.
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