History YMMV / KamenRiderKiva

18th Jan '17 9:12:47 PM RoarkTenjouin
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** Kamen Rider Saga; they could have done anything with it - have Taiga keep using it [[spoiler: after he gains the ability to become Dark Kiva, and use DK as a super mode]], introduce a new character who uses it to act as an antagonist/rival, give it to an existing character like Kengo [[note]]while the Sagarcs were created by the Fangires, it's never explicitly stated if a person had to be a Fangire to become Saga; for all we know, it could work like the [[Series/KamenRiderFaiz Delta Gear]] and allow anyone to use it if they had linked with it[[/note]]...but no, as soon as [[spoiler: Taiga becomes Dark Kiva]], it's almost as if it never existed.
17th Nov '16 2:54:23 AM simonscot
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** One of the main criticisms of Kiva is how much [[SuperMode Emperor Form]] is used throughout the second half of the show compared to Kiva's other forms. 8 years later, in ''[[Series/KamenRiderGhost Kamen Rider Ghost]]'', the main character using his final form too much compared to his other forms ends up being a plot point, and something that the main character ''doesn't'' want to do.


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* MemeticLoser: Kiva himself is his, at least in the [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] side of the fanbase. As of 2016, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten an official Figuarts while almost every other Kamen Rider (Including ones from ''[[UpToEleven Kiva itself]]'') has already had one. Even one-off riders like [[Series/KamenRiderFourze Nadeshiko]] and [[Series/KamenRiderDrive Sangou]] have already seen a Figuarts release before Kiva. It's common to see fans joking about how certain Riders and [[Franchise/PrettyCure Precures]] have received a Figuarts before Kiva.


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** ''X'' got a [[Toys/{{SHFiguarts}} Figuarts]] before Kiva![[labelnote:Explanation]] As explained in MemeticLoser, even 8 years after his series aired, Kiva ''still'' hasn't gotten a Figuarts whereas all other Riders have already gotten theirs.[[/labelnote]]
5th Oct '16 5:10:14 PM simonscot
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* Rescued From The Scrappy:
** Otoya Kurenai: His perverted tendencies and possessive talk disappear at the mid of season after he met Maya. Not only that, he is shown to be able to maturely such as sacrificing his own life to save Taiga and to make preparations for his future son's safety before he die.
* TheScrappy:
** Ryo Itoya, the Spider Fangire. He harassed both Yuri in 1986 and Megumi in 2008, and his creepy attitude doesn't help it either. [[spoiler:Fans cheered when Mio, of all people, [[TakeThatScrappy kills him in a spectacular way]].]]

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* Rescued From The Scrappy:
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RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Otoya Kurenai: His perverted tendencies and possessive talk disappear at the mid of season after he met Maya. Not only that, he is shown to be able to maturely such as sacrificing his own life to save Taiga and to make preparations for his future son's safety before he die.
* TheScrappy:
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TheScrappy: Ryo Itoya, the Spider Fangire. He harassed both Yuri in 1986 and Megumi in 2008, and his creepy attitude doesn't help it either. [[spoiler:Fans cheered when Mio, of all people, [[TakeThatScrappy kills him in a spectacular way]].]]
5th Oct '16 5:08:28 PM simonscot
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** [[spoiler: '''NEO FANGIRES PAPA!''']] [[labelnote:Explanation(SPOILERS)]] The abrupt reveal at the very end of the final episode about the Neo Fangires by Wataru's son from the future is often mocked by fans.[[/labelnote]]
31st Aug '16 1:08:03 AM VyHuynh123
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* Rescued From The Scrappy:
** Otoya Kurenai: His perverted tendencies and possessive talk disappear at the mid of season after he met Maya. Not only that, he is shown to be able to maturely such as sacrificing his own life to save Taiga and to make preparations for his future son's safety before he die.
13th Jun '16 2:58:52 AM rafi
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* DesignatedProtagonist: Otoya Kurenai. His good qualities perk up few and far in-between each other, and he tends to think with his other head around women.

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* DesignatedProtagonist: DesignatedHero: Otoya Kurenai. His good qualities perk up few and far in-between each other, and he tends to think with his other head around women.
13th Jun '16 2:58:21 AM rafi
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* TheScrappy: Ryo Itoya, the Spider Fangire. He harassed both Yuri in 1986 and Megumi in 2008, and his creepy attitude doesn't help it either. [[spoiler:Fans cheered when Mio, of all people, [[TakeThatScrappy kills him in a spectacular way]].]]

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* TheScrappy: TheScrappy:
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Ryo Itoya, the Spider Fangire. He harassed both Yuri in 1986 and Megumi in 2008, and his creepy attitude doesn't help it either. [[spoiler:Fans cheered when Mio, of all people, [[TakeThatScrappy kills him in a spectacular way]].]]


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** Otoya Kurenai. Most of his perverted tendencies tend to draw ire, and his possessive talk around Yuri is another factor.
3rd Jun '16 9:17:50 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: Hoo boy, does this series use a lot of possessive dialogue. This is mostly due to cultural differences between gender roles but for western ears this does not go down well.



** An example wherein RealLifeWritesThePlot, and the problem wasn't stupid appearance: Kiva's default form is perfectly fine on its own, but it and his Arms Monster forms were too heavy for Creator/SeijiTakaiwa to act in properly, and in fact he nearly died once due to the weight. This is why [[SuperMode Emperor Form]] was overused for the series, as it was far lighter and easier to work with. Unfortunately, it came at the cost of trashing the rest of Kiva's powers.
* WhatTheHellHero: Taiga [[spoiler: kills Maya, the mother of both him and Wataru.]] Wataru doesn't seem to be upset by this fact and instead [[spoiler: eagerly accepts his help in the fight against the revived 1986 King.]] It is shown later that [[spoiler: he didn't really kill her,]] but still, that was way too accepting.
** Otoya and the way he [[spoiler: handled his relationship with Yuri. Where to even begin? He risked life and limb to be with Yuri and almost nearly got killed by Jiro for her sake. After all the drama, tragedy, and life-altering events he went through to be with Yuri who finally declared her anguished heartfelt love for him, what does he do? He lets himself get seduced by Maya and throws away his relationship with Yuri like it was yesterday's garbage in the most heartless and thoughtless way possible. Granted, without Otoya hooking up with Maya, Wataru wouldn't have been born but the way Otoya handled the whole situation made him come off as extremely callous and heartless despite all the things he had gone through to finally win Yuri's heart. It really says something when even Jiro, his romantic rival and the man who tried to KILL HIM over Yuri previously tried to warn Otoya to stay away from Maya and not break Yuri's heart.]]

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** An example wherein RealLifeWritesThePlot, and the problem wasn't stupid appearance: Kiva's default form is perfectly fine on its own, but it and his Arms Monster forms were too heavy for Creator/SeijiTakaiwa to act in properly, and in fact he nearly died once due to the weight. This is why [[SuperMode Emperor Form]] was overused for the series, as it was far lighter and easier to work with. Unfortunately, it came at the cost of trashing the rest of Kiva's powers.
* WhatTheHellHero: Taiga [[spoiler: kills Maya, the mother of both him and Wataru.]] Wataru doesn't seem to be upset by this fact and instead [[spoiler: eagerly accepts his help in the fight against the revived 1986 King.]] It is shown later that [[spoiler: he didn't really kill her,]] but still, that was way too accepting.
** Otoya and the way he [[spoiler: handled his relationship with Yuri. Where to even begin? He risked life and limb to be with Yuri and almost nearly got killed by Jiro for her sake. After all the drama, tragedy, and life-altering events he went through to be with Yuri who finally declared her anguished heartfelt love for him, what does he do? He lets himself get seduced by Maya and throws away his relationship with Yuri like it was yesterday's garbage in the most heartless and thoughtless way possible. Granted, without Otoya hooking up with Maya, Wataru wouldn't have been born but the way Otoya handled the whole situation made him come off as extremely callous and heartless despite all the things he had gone through to finally win Yuri's heart. It really says something when even Jiro, his romantic rival and the man who tried to KILL HIM over Yuri previously tried to warn Otoya to stay away from Maya and not break Yuri's heart.]]
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24th May '16 1:00:13 PM overman2099
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*** Otoya and the way he [[spoiler: handled his relationship with Yuri. Where to even begin? He risked life and limb to be with Yuri and almost nearly got killed by Jiro for her sake. After all the drama, tragedy, and life-altering events he went through to be with Yuri who finally declared her anguished heartfelt love for him, what does he do? He lets himself get seduced by Maya and throws away his relationship with Yuri like it was yesterday's garbage in the most heartless and thoughtless way possible. Granted, without Otoya hooking up with Maya, Wataru wouldn't have been born but the way Otoya handled the whole situation made him come off as extremely callous and heartless despite all the things he had gone through to finally win Yuri's heart. It really says something when even Jiro, his romantic rival and the man who tried to KILL HIM over Yuri previously tried to warn Otoya to stay away from Maya and not break Yuri's heart.]]

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*** ** Otoya and the way he [[spoiler: handled his relationship with Yuri. Where to even begin? He risked life and limb to be with Yuri and almost nearly got killed by Jiro for her sake. After all the drama, tragedy, and life-altering events he went through to be with Yuri who finally declared her anguished heartfelt love for him, what does he do? He lets himself get seduced by Maya and throws away his relationship with Yuri like it was yesterday's garbage in the most heartless and thoughtless way possible. Granted, without Otoya hooking up with Maya, Wataru wouldn't have been born but the way Otoya handled the whole situation made him come off as extremely callous and heartless despite all the things he had gone through to finally win Yuri's heart. It really says something when even Jiro, his romantic rival and the man who tried to KILL HIM over Yuri previously tried to warn Otoya to stay away from Maya and not break Yuri's heart.]]
24th May '16 12:59:49 PM overman2099
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** Otoya and the way he [[spoiler: handled his relationship with Yuri. Where to even begin? He risked life and limb to be with Yuri and almost nearly got killed by Jiro for her sake. After all the drama, tragedy, and life-altering events he went through to be with Yuri who finally declared her heartfelt love for him, what does he do? He lets himself get seduced by Maya and throws away his relationship with Yuri like it was yesterday's garbage in the most heartless and thoughtless way possible. Granted, without Otoya hooking up with Maya, Wataru wouldn't have been born but the way Otoya handled the whole situation made him come off as extremely thoughtless and heartless despite all the things he had gone through to finally win Yuri's heart. It really says something when even Jiro, his romantic rival and the man who tried to KILL HIM over Yuri previously tried to warn Otoya to stay away from Maya and not break Yuri's heart.]]



* WhatTheHellHero: Taiga [[spoiler: kills Maya, the mother of both him and Wataru.]] Wataru doesn't seem to be upset by this fact and instead [[spoiler: eagerly accepts his help in the fight against the revived 1986 King.]] It is shown later that [[spoiler: he didn't really kill her,]] but still, that was way too accepting.

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* WhatTheHellHero: Taiga [[spoiler: kills Maya, the mother of both him and Wataru.]] Wataru doesn't seem to be upset by this fact and instead [[spoiler: eagerly accepts his help in the fight against the revived 1986 King.]] It is shown later that [[spoiler: he didn't really kill her,]] but still, that was way too accepting.accepting.
**** Otoya and the way he [[spoiler: handled his relationship with Yuri. Where to even begin? He risked life and limb to be with Yuri and almost nearly got killed by Jiro for her sake. After all the drama, tragedy, and life-altering events he went through to be with Yuri who finally declared her anguished heartfelt love for him, what does he do? He lets himself get seduced by Maya and throws away his relationship with Yuri like it was yesterday's garbage in the most heartless and thoughtless way possible. Granted, without Otoya hooking up with Maya, Wataru wouldn't have been born but the way Otoya handled the whole situation made him come off as extremely callous and heartless despite all the things he had gone through to finally win Yuri's heart. It really says something when even Jiro, his romantic rival and the man who tried to KILL HIM over Yuri previously tried to warn Otoya to stay away from Maya and not break Yuri's heart.]]
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