History YMMV / JyuOhSei

7th Feb '16 7:42:01 PM Wilderstorm
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* {{Narm}}: Thor flipping out about his adaptable nature changing his skin tone is a little ridiculous. Especially since the change is ''barely noticeable'' -- it's less obvious than most summer tans.
30th Nov '15 10:53:30 AM Wilderstorm
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* FoeYay: Thor/Zagi, and to some extent [[spoiler:Thor/Third]] as well.

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** [[spoiler: Third too]], after TheReveal of his origins and mission. Yes, you can make a very strong argument for him as a JerkassWoobie, but the fact remains he did some very reprehensible things that his fans tend to write off.
* FoeYay: Thor/Zagi, Thor/Zagi is ''shameless'', and to there's some extent [[spoiler:Thor/Third]] as well.
9th Mar '15 7:53:03 AM Wilderstorm
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* DracoInLeatherPants: Zagi. Quite literally after the TimeSkip.



* IdiotBall: Yes, Odin, this child whom you imprisoned for slaughtering a gang of people much older than he is (Zagi) has found out your secret. No, don't execute him! Send him to Chimaera, where he totally won't survive and plot to destroy you!

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* IdiotBall: Yes, Odin, this child (Zagi) whom you imprisoned for slaughtering a gang of people much older than he is (Zagi) has found out your secret. No, don't execute him! Send him to Chimaera, where he totally won't survive and plot to destroy you!
8th Mar '15 4:13:10 PM Wilderstorm
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* IdiotBall: Yes, Odin, this child whom you imprisoned for slaughtering a gang of people much older than he is (Zagi) has found out your secret. No, don't execute him! Send him to Chimaera, where he totally won't survive and plot to destroy you!
22nd Feb '15 12:26:02 AM Wilderstorm
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* {{Asspull}}: Thor's [[spoiler: chameleon ability]] is introduced late in the series, and only used once for some inexplicable and seemingly senseless reason, and only ''after'' it was brought to his attention by the plot. It makes sense in the manga though it's mostly symbolic.

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* {{Asspull}}: Thor's [[spoiler: chameleon ability]] is introduced late in the series, and only used once for some inexplicable and seemingly senseless reason, and only ''after'' it was brought to his attention by the plot. It makes more sense in the manga manga, though it's mostly symbolic.



** Zagi especially can't keep his hands off of Thor, especially in the manga (where the HoYay is so obvious that Karim gets ''jealous'' of Thor). Third prefers the "getting into his face" method.

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** Zagi especially can't keep his hands off of Thor, especially in the manga (where the HoYay is so obvious that Karim gets ''jealous'' of Thor). Third prefers the "getting into in his face" method.method.
* JerkassWoobie:
** Extremely subjective, as his {{Jerkass}} tendencies are ''severe'', but Zagi's [[FreudianExcuse past]] is pretty fucked up. Not that it justifies his actions, but some people feel pretty bad for him.
** [[spoiler: Third is a slightly less ambiguous example.]]



** Zagi. He's a ''lot'' more subtle than Third, but he's playing half the planet as his cards. It's especially evident in Death Game with his coup de'etat of the Blanc Ring.

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** Zagi. He's a ''lot'' more subtle than Third, but he's playing half the planet as his cards.planet. It's especially evident in Death Game with his coup de'etat of the Blanc Ring.
14th Nov '14 4:33:59 PM MagBas
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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite women wielding power and being able to choose their own husbands, a woman who does not bear children is considered an oddity. Tiz even goes so far as to say that it is unnatural that she, at seventeen, has not had any children of her own.
** This is justified given that they live in a half-civilized society, and have a short life-span. Thor even says in the end that the women of Chimaera are the saviors of humankind, or something to that effect ([[spoiler:since they give birth to children who carry the genes of the new species, saving humankind after the old species becomes extinct]]).
** Also, despite the fact that Chen and Karim have both proven themselves adept at fighting, they seem to prefer being weaker and more submissive to the masculine characters. Tiz is as well, but her fighting skills are more of an {{informed ability}}.
*** In the case of both Chen and Karim it's a result of them being infatuated with a certain man (Third and Zagi, respectively), especially Karim, who has a sort of a MasochismTango with Zagi.
** Even though the local society allows women the free pick of sexual partners, two principal female characters give up this privilege to fawn after men who are completely uninterested in them, and the other is in a MasochismTango with a man who never ''admits'' that he cares about her.
*** {{Truth In Television}}?
*** This only really ends up being an unfortunate implication with the anime, as it cuts out so much information but the bare minimum so it makes it much harder to figure out what was going going on, for instance.
**** [[spoiler: The homo sapiens that originated from Earth are dying out and the women are no longer able to bare children, and the children that are born are all basically test tube babies that have a very short lifespan. However, the females of species of humans on Kimera are the only ones in their entire star system that can still give birth. So they are the only ones passing on the genes of the next generation. So to the Vulcan system women, especially women who can give birth are naturally considered more valuable than men. This is a belief that the Hecate enforces onto the people, and why Tiz and Karim felt useless about not being able to have children, and why Chen chose to have Yuuki's children even though she was depressed.]]
**** [[spoiler: the humans on Kimera are all instinct driven, not unlike animals, so the women from Kimera will naturally choose the strongest, most ambitious male to bare children with, and the since the higher ups want Kimerans to survive they created the system to weed out the weak for both genders, so that only the strongest survives and gets to pass on their genes.]]
***** [[spoiler: In other words its survival of the fittest.]]

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* UnfortunateImplications: Despite women wielding power and being able to choose their own husbands, a woman who does not bear children is considered an oddity. Tiz even goes so far as to say that it is unnatural that she, at seventeen, has not had any children of her own.
** This is justified given that they live in a half-civilized society, and have a short life-span. Thor even says in the end that the women of Chimaera are the saviors of humankind, or something to that effect ([[spoiler:since they give birth to children who carry the genes of the new species, saving humankind after the old species becomes extinct]]).
** Also, despite the fact that Chen and Karim have both proven themselves adept at fighting, they seem to prefer being weaker and more submissive to the masculine characters. Tiz is as well, but her fighting skills are more of an {{informed ability}}.
*** In the case of both Chen and Karim it's a result of them being infatuated with a certain man (Third and Zagi, respectively), especially Karim, who has a sort of a MasochismTango with Zagi.
** Even though the local society allows women the free pick of sexual partners, two principal female characters give up this privilege to fawn after men who are completely uninterested in them, and the other is in a MasochismTango with a man who never ''admits'' that he cares about her.
*** {{Truth In Television}}?
*** This only really ends up being an unfortunate implication with the anime, as it cuts out so much information but the bare minimum so it makes it much harder to figure out what was going going on, for instance.
**** [[spoiler: The homo sapiens that originated from Earth are dying out and the women are no longer able to bare children, and the children that are born are all basically test tube babies that have a very short lifespan. However, the females of species of humans on Kimera are the only ones in their entire star system that can still give birth. So they are the only ones passing on the genes of the next generation. So to the Vulcan system women, especially women who can give birth are naturally considered more valuable than men. This is a belief that the Hecate enforces onto the people, and why Tiz and Karim felt useless about not being able to have children, and why Chen chose to have Yuuki's children even though she was depressed.]]
**** [[spoiler: the humans on Kimera are all instinct driven, not unlike animals, so the women from Kimera will naturally choose the strongest, most ambitious male to bare children with, and the since the higher ups want Kimerans to survive they created the system to weed out the weak for both genders, so that only the strongest survives and gets to pass on their genes.]]
***** [[spoiler: In other words its survival of the fittest.]]
7th Jun '13 3:57:45 PM Wilderstorm
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* MagnificentBastard: Third. He's so blatant about it that Thor calls him out on it at one point, but mostly he goes relatively undetected.

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* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Third. He's so blatant about it that Thor calls him out on it at one point, but mostly he goes relatively undetected.undetected.
** Zagi. He's a ''lot'' more subtle than Third, but he's playing half the planet as his cards. It's especially evident in Death Game with his coup de'etat of the Blanc Ring.
30th Mar '13 7:04:07 AM Austin
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* TheMasochismTango: Zagi and Karim.
* SceneryPorn: It's a beautiful planet to look at, but you wouldn't want to live there...
11th Jun '12 6:38:30 PM TheTropeEater
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**** [[spoiler: The homo sapiens that originated from Earth are dying out and the women are no longer able to bare children, and the children that are born are all basically test tube babies that have a very short lifespan. However, the females of species of humans on Kimera are the only ones in their entire star system that can still give birth. So they are the only ones passing on the genes of the next generation. So to the Vulcan system women, especially women who can give birth are naturally considered more valuable than men.]]
**** [[spoiler: the humans on Kimera are all instinct driven, not unlike animals, so the women from Kimera will naturally choose the strongest male to bare children with, and the since the higher ups want Kimerans to survive they created the system to weed out the weak so that there will be no weak men for t]]

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**** [[spoiler: The homo sapiens that originated from Earth are dying out and the women are no longer able to bare children, and the children that are born are all basically test tube babies that have a very short lifespan. However, the females of species of humans on Kimera are the only ones in their entire star system that can still give birth. So they are the only ones passing on the genes of the next generation. So to the Vulcan system women, especially women who can give birth are naturally considered more valuable than men. This is a belief that the Hecate enforces onto the people, and why Tiz and Karim felt useless about not being able to have children, and why Chen chose to have Yuuki's children even though she was depressed.]]
**** [[spoiler: the humans on Kimera are all instinct driven, not unlike animals, so the women from Kimera will naturally choose the strongest strongest, most ambitious male to bare children with, and the since the higher ups want Kimerans to survive they created the system to weed out the weak for both genders, so that there will be no weak men for t]]only the strongest survives and gets to pass on their genes.]]
***** [[spoiler: In other words its survival of the fittest.]]
11th Jun '12 6:27:19 PM TheTropeEater
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*** This only really ends up being an unfortunate implication with the anime, as it cuts out so much information but the bare minimum so it makes it much harder to figure out what was going going on, for instance.
**** [[spoiler: The homo sapiens that originated from Earth are dying out and the women are no longer able to bare children, and the children that are born are all basically test tube babies that have a very short lifespan. However, the females of species of humans on Kimera are the only ones in their entire star system that can still give birth. So they are the only ones passing on the genes of the next generation. So to the Vulcan system women, especially women who can give birth are naturally considered more valuable than men.]]
**** [[spoiler: the humans on Kimera are all instinct driven, not unlike animals, so the women from Kimera will naturally choose the strongest male to bare children with, and the since the higher ups want Kimerans to survive they created the system to weed out the weak so that there will be no weak men for t]]
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