History YMMV / JourneyToTheWest

30th Jan '16 10:09:58 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
*** Admittedly Baije isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature.

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** Baije joins the team TheTeam because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. [[note]] Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
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entirely. Admittedly Baije isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature. [[/note]]
30th Jan '16 10:08:15 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race.
*** Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight in more recent depictions. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.

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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race.
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race. Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight in more recent depictions.straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
8th Jan '16 6:37:38 AM MagBas
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* GodModeSue: The first part of Sun Wukong's history basically has him running roughshod over both humans and deities before Buddha [[HilarityEnsues puts a stop to the madness]] and even after he is released he gets many a CurbStompBattle before they reach their destination.
2nd Jan '16 6:18:11 PM ZeroWizard
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* FountainOfExpies: One of the biggest examples, ever. Wukong has everything from serious homages (Goku from Manga/DragonBall; who even has the same exact name as him) to parodies (a play during Manga/LoveHina).
2nd Jan '16 6:17:25 PM ZeroWizard
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2nd Jan '16 6:17:08 PM ZeroWizard
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* FountainOfExpies: One of the biggest examples, ever. Wukong has everything from serious homages (Goku from Manga/DragonBall; who even has the same exact name as him) to parodies (a play during Manga/LoveHina).


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* GeniusBonus: General Three O'Clock and the Special Dweller's names hint to their identities. [[spoiler:Three O'Clock is the hour of the Tiger, while Special Spotted Dweller is a Chinese epithet for bull.]]
9th Apr '15 7:23:01 AM Ciara25
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** The fate of the villain of Chapter 84 can be seen as this for many modern western-minded readers. For those who don't know. in that chapter, the pilgrims come across a country led by a king whose goal was to [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide kill 10,000 Buddist monks]] in his kingdom because of [[spoiler: [[DisproportionateRetribution wrongs done against him by Buddist Monks in a past life]]]]. In the end, he is [[HumiliationConga changed into a monk]] and redeemed, with that chapter demonstrating the forgiving power of Buddhism. However given the scale of his crimes, most modern readers would find it unrealistic and expect him to be killed instead.

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** The fate of the villain of Chapter 84 can be seen as this for many modern western-minded readers. For those who don't know. in that chapter, the pilgrims come across a country led by a king whose goal was to [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide kill 10,000 Buddist monks]] in his kingdom because of [[spoiler: [[DisproportionateRetribution wrongs done against to him by Buddist Monks in a past life]]]]. In the end, he is [[HumiliationConga changed into a monk]] and redeemed, with that chapter demonstrating the forgiving power of Buddhism. However However, given the scale of his crimes, most modern readers would find it unrealistic and expect him to be killed instead.



** As mentioned under DisproportionateRetribution on the main page, Shā Wùjìng receives 800 lashes, is exiled from Heaven, is transformed into a demon, and has to spend the rest of his life hiding in a river to avoid a magic sword that will stab him daily in the chest, all for the crime of breaking a cup or a vase. A little extreme but not unreasonable in the time-period for when it's set (porcelain, crystal and jade being ''very'' difficult to work with, so literally more precious than gold), but horrifying to a modern age audience.

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** As mentioned under DisproportionateRetribution on the main page, Shā Wùjìng receives 800 lashes, is exiled from Heaven, is transformed into a demon, and has to spend the rest of his life hiding in a river to avoid a magic sword that will stab him daily in the chest, all for the heinous crime of of...breaking a cup or a vase. A little extreme but not unreasonable in the time-period for when it's set (porcelain, crystal and jade being ''very'' difficult to work with, so literally more precious than gold), but horrifying to a modern age audience.
28th Jan '15 12:31:58 PM WanderingBrowser
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** As mentioned under DisproportionateRetribution on the main page, Shā Wùjìng receives 800 lashes, is exiled from Heaven, is transformed into a demon, and has to spend the rest of his life hiding in a river to avoid a magic sword that will stab him daily in the chest, all for the crime of breaking a cup or a vase. A little extreme but not unreasonable in the time-period for when it's set (porcelain, crystal and jade being ''very'' difficult to work with, so literally more precious than gold), but horrifying to a modern age audience.
28th Jan '15 12:58:55 AM WanderingBrowser
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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race.
*** Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight in more recent depictions. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
*** Admittedly Baije isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature.
25th Aug '14 8:25:51 AM ChaoticNovelist
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* AwesomeEgo: Sun Wukong

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* AwesomeEgo: Sun WukongWukong's ego reaches the heights of heaven, and his cockiness touches the bottom of the deepest sea.



* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Pretty much anytime Pig has any involvement in, but his "second marriage" has even [[SecretTestOfCharacter the gods]] throwing out the SchmuckBait and reeling him in.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Sun Wukong is, at least technically, not the main character.
** And this is despite the fact that the epic's first several chapters are dedicated to Wukong's exploits before joining up with Xuanzang.
** The White Bone Demon appears to be this; despite being a demon with a rather ordinary skill set (shapeshifting) and pretty much zero fighting ability, the arc featuring her is one of the most well-known in all of China, and the subject of numerous operas and television specials.

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: Pretty much anytime Pig has any involvement in, but his "second marriage" has even [[SecretTestOfCharacter the gods]] throwing out the SchmuckBait and reeling him in.
* EnsembleDarkhorse: Sun Wukong is, at least technically, not the main character.
** And this is despite the fact that the epic's first several chapters are dedicated to Wukong's exploits before joining up with Xuanzang.
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EnsembleDarkhorse: The White Bone Demon appears to be this; despite being a demon with a rather ordinary skill set (shapeshifting) and pretty much zero fighting ability, the arc featuring her is one of the most well-known in all of China, and the subject of numerous operas and television specials.
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