History YMMV / JourneyToTheWest

15th Feb '17 7:59:01 PM WillBGood
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** The fate of the villain of Chapter 84 can be seen as this for many modern western-minded readers. For those who don't know. in that chapter, the pilgrims come across a country led by a king whose goal was to [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide kill 10,000 Buddist monks]] in his kingdom because of [[spoiler: [[DisproportionateRetribution wrongs done to him by Buddist Monks in a past life]]]]. In the end, he is [[HumiliationConga changed into a monk]] and redeemed, with that chapter demonstrating the forgiving power of Buddhism. However, given the scale of his crimes, most modern readers would find it unrealistic and expect him to be killed instead.

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** The fate of the villain of Chapter 84 can be seen as this for many modern western-minded readers. For those who don't know. in that chapter, the pilgrims come across a country led by a king whose goal was to [[WouldBeRudeToSayGenocide kill 10,000 Buddist Buddhist monks]] in his kingdom because of [[spoiler: [[DisproportionateRetribution wrongs done to him by Buddist Monks Buddhist monks in a past life]]]]. In the end, he is [[HumiliationConga changed into a monk]] and redeemed, with that chapter demonstrating the forgiving power of Buddhism. However, given the scale of his crimes, most modern readers would find it unrealistic and expect him to be killed instead.
6th Feb '17 9:39:58 PM shatterstar
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* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: Yu Long. The number stories that he has ''any'' kind of plot impact can be counted on one hand.
12th Dec '16 10:28:48 AM BeastC
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* FanficFuel: The titular journey to the west. As any TV adaptation with original stories can tell you, the road trip-style premise allows room for plenty of self-contained adventures Sanzang and his disciples might have gone on in their travels.
10th Dec '16 4:08:04 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Bajie joins TheTeam because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Bajie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, plows fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. [[note]] Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Bajie's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Bajie-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely. Admittedly Bajie isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature. [[/note]]

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** Bajie joins TheTeam because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Bajie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, plows fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. [[note]] Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Bajie's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije Bajie is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Bajie-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely. Admittedly Bajie isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature. [[/note]]



* TheWoobie: The Queen of Western Liang. A [[IJustWantToBeLoved lonely,]] ReasonableAuthorityFigure that seems to be genuinely in love with Xuanzang as opposed to her [[InformedFlaw man-hungry subjects]] and [[PetTheDog nice to the point of registering the disciples' names.]] What does she get for it? Scared off by Baije and literally left in the dust.

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* TheWoobie: The Queen of Western Liang. A [[IJustWantToBeLoved lonely,]] ReasonableAuthorityFigure that seems to be genuinely in love with Xuanzang as opposed to her [[InformedFlaw man-hungry subjects]] and [[PetTheDog nice to the point of registering the disciples' names.]] What does she get for it? Scared off by Baije Bajie and literally left in the dust.
10th Dec '16 4:03:37 PM SneaselSawashiro
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** Baije joins TheTeam because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. [[note]] Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely. Admittedly Baije isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature. [[/note]]

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** Baije Bajie joins TheTeam because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie Bajie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs plows fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. [[note]] Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's Bajie's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Bajie-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely. Admittedly Baije Bajie isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature. [[/note]]
27th Oct '16 11:21:26 PM chizo
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* MainstreamObscurity: Easily the most famous of the 'Four Great Classical Novels', it has spawned endless derivative works and is popular throughout East Asia but it's rare to know people who have actually read the book. Most East Asians are only familiar with it through PopCulturalOsmosis and television adaptations of the story. Most Westerners will only be vaguely familiar of it through Manga/DragonBall.
27th Oct '16 7:08:34 PM panza
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* LauncherOfAThousandShips: Think of a character in ''Journey to the West.'' Sun Wukong has probably been paired with that character.
30th Jan '16 10:09:58 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
*** Admittedly Baije isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature.

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** Baije joins the team TheTeam because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race. [[note]] Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
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entirely. Admittedly Baije isn't ''entirely'' innocent -- by the time Monkey and Xuanzang come along, he's keeping Blue Orchid locked up in his private room and not letting her parents see her. But it's never clarified whether he's doing that because he's just an asshole or if he's only doing so because he's angry at how, after having welcomed him into the family, his in-laws have turned on him for his supernatural nature. [[/note]]
30th Jan '16 10:08:15 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race.
*** Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight in more recent depictions. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.

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** Baije joins the team because his mortal in-laws end up hiring Monkey and Xuanzang to exorcise him from their farm and chase him away from their daughter, Blue Orchid. However, Baijie legitimately married Blue Orchid and did so with their permission, and while he is quite a glutton (as he himself admits), he's also a very hard and diligent worker who more than earns his keep by his labors. As he notes to Monkey-in-disguise, he cleans the ground, drains ditches, carries bricks and tiles, builds walls, ploughs fields (pulling the plough singlehandedly at that), plants grain and generally improves the farm, with even his in-laws admitting that he does his labors, which is why they were happy to take him in as their son-in-law in the first place. So why do they want him gone? Because it's undignified to have a monster as a son-in-law. This makes perfect sense to Chinese and Japanese cultures, even today, but modern Westerners tend to see them as {{Ungrateful Bastard}}s engaging in FantasticRacism: he's being cast out, despite being everything a farmer could want in a son-in-law, simply because of his race.
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race. Incidentally, this may be why this aspect of Baije's story is almost never adapted straight in more recent depictions.straight. For example, in ''Series/{{Monkey}}'', Baije is to be exorcised because he's given up being a dutiful son-in-law to instead become a wastrel who spends his days eating, drinking and picking fights. In ''Manga/DragonBall'', the Baije-{{expy}} Oolong is an enemy because he keeps kidnapping girls (all of whom end up pushing him around and bullying him, to the point he's happy to give them back) and the whole "in-laws call for exorcism" angle is dropped entirely.
8th Jan '16 6:37:38 AM MagBas
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* GodModeSue: The first part of Sun Wukong's history basically has him running roughshod over both humans and deities before Buddha [[HilarityEnsues puts a stop to the madness]] and even after he is released he gets many a CurbStompBattle before they reach their destination.
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