History YMMV / JohnFord

1st Mar '16 11:30:02 PM JulianLapostat
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* CreatorBreakdown: Two examples from the '50s:
** ''Film/MisterRoberts'': he fell out with Creator/HenryFonda early in production, culminating in Ford punching Fonda in the face. Then he took to drinking, had emergency gallbladder surgery in the midst of filming and was ultimately forced off the project.
** While filming ''Film/TheHorseSoldiers'', stuntman Fred Kennedy died while performing a horse fall. Ford was devastated by Kennedy's death that he all but refused to film the scripted finale, leading to the movie's rushed conclusion.
* HeAlsoDid: Ford made a number of documentaries for the United States Navy, including the acclaimed ''December 7th: The Movie'' and ''The Battle of Midway'', and the infamous ''[[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin Sex Hygiene]]''. He also did uncredited second unit work on a variety of films, including ''The Adventures of Marco Polo'' and John Wayne's ''Film/TheAlamo'' (exactly how much of that movie he shot remains controversial).
26th Feb '16 10:36:08 PM JulianLapostat
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* FairForItsDay: His portrayal of Native American characters is usually ''much'' better than most other Westerns from his time, which often treat them as barbarous, murderous savages. And despite some unfortunate instances of ModernMinstrelsy (such as the "squaw" in ''Film/TheSearchers''), Ford at least treated them with a level of respect many other Western directors lacked, and Native American characters were often given more character traits than just "the Indian" or "the bad guy".

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* FairForItsDay: His portrayal of Native American characters is usually ''much'' better than most other Westerns from his time, which often treat them as barbarous, murderous savages. And despite some unfortunate instances of ModernMinstrelsy (such as the "squaw" in ''Film/TheSearchers''), Ford at least treated them with a level of respect many other Western directors lacked, and Native American characters were often given more character traits than just "the Indian" or "the bad guy". A lot of younger viewers and modern directors like Quentin Tarantino consider his films racist and dated. Careful viewing and attention to history reveals a different picture.
** Ford's westerns always used the Navajo tribe of Monument Valley, Utah as extras and he paid them minimum wage on same rates as white actors (rare for any director of that time) and his film productions generated much business and attention and helped their economy. For these actions, the Navajo made him a honorary member of the tribe gave him the honorific ''Natani Nez'' (which means Tall Leader). Ford also spoke the Navajo language.
** Creator/JimJarmusch, after making ''Film/DeadMan''(a revisionist, {{Deconstruction}} of Westerns) made a fair point that his films frequently cast the Navajo as stand-ins for other tribes, perpetuating stereotypes. This is generally true with one exception. The western ''Wagon Master'', obscure, but cited by Ford as one of his favorite films, the only film where the Navajo play Navajo. In any case, while Ford does generally use Navajo to stand-in for other tribes, this is on balance because of limitations than anything else, since he uses the very tiny Monument Valley to stand in for other regions, (Texas in ''The Searchers'' most egregiously).
** His films avert PoliticallyCorrectHistory by constantly highlighting the presence of the Native Americans in the Western landscape(which wasn't as common for Westerns back then) and pointing out the fact that America was built on the violence and destruction of their land and culture. ''The Searchers'' was radical for describing the DeliberateValuesDissonance of MissingWhiteWomanSyndrome on the frontier showing that crusading White hero John Wayne is NotSoDifferent from his villain Scar, creating an anti-hero conflict that inspired later directors. Several of his films dealt with racism. ''Judge Priest'' and ''The Sun Shines Bright'' highlight the lynch mob mentality that African-Americans routinely feared. in his later years he sought out to make actor Woody Strode into a movie star, with ''Sergeant Rutledge''.
** Likewise despite the generally macho premise of his films, women play a stronger and more important role in his films than other Westerns, and his final film, ''7 Women'' is ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin and famously casts a pre-stardom Anne Bancroft in a role that John Wayne would have played, anticipating action movie roles of the kind that Sigourney Weaver would get credit for.
1st Jan '16 6:39:30 AM AllenbysEyes
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** Creator/OrsonWelles watched ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' repeatedly for inspiration before coming to Hollywood to direct ''his'' first feature film: ''Film/CitizenKane''. You might have heard of it.

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** Creator/OrsonWelles watched ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' repeatedly for inspiration before coming to Hollywood to direct ''his'' first feature film: ''Film/CitizenKane''. You might have heard of it. Ford also recruited his cinematographer, Gregg Toland, after seeing the latter's work on Ford's ''Film/TheLongVoyageHome''.
14th Sep '15 9:06:12 PM RushLimborg
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* FairForItsDay: His portrayal of Native American characters is usually ''much'' better than most other Westerns from his time, which often treat them as barbarous, murderous savages. And despite some unfortunate instances of ModernMinstrelsy (such as the "squaw" in Film/TheSearchers), Ford at least treated them with a level of respect many other Western directors lacked, and Native American characters were often given more character traits than just "the Indian" or "the bad guy".

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* FairForItsDay: His portrayal of Native American characters is usually ''much'' better than most other Westerns from his time, which often treat them as barbarous, murderous savages. And despite some unfortunate instances of ModernMinstrelsy (such as the "squaw" in Film/TheSearchers), ''Film/TheSearchers''), Ford at least treated them with a level of respect many other Western directors lacked, and Native American characters were often given more character traits than just "the Indian" or "the bad guy".
14th Sep '15 9:05:45 PM RushLimborg
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* FairForItsDay: His portrayal of Native American characters is usually ''much'' better than most other Westerns from his time, which often treat them as barbarous, murderous savages. Ford at least treated them with a level of respect other Western directors lacked, and Native American characters were often given most character traits than just "the Indian."

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* FairForItsDay: His portrayal of Native American characters is usually ''much'' better than most other Westerns from his time, which often treat them as barbarous, murderous savages. And despite some unfortunate instances of ModernMinstrelsy (such as the "squaw" in Film/TheSearchers), Ford at least treated them with a level of respect many other Western directors lacked, and Native American characters were often given most more character traits than just "the Indian."Indian" or "the bad guy".
30th Jul '15 9:11:06 AM RushLimborg
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Recently, Creator/QuentinTarantino has raised the issue of Ford's role as an extra in ''Film/BirthOfANation'', where he played one of the Klansmen. Ford scholars have always seen it as a throwaway gig (he had not started his career as a director and was working odd jobs at the time) but Tarantino sees it as indicative of a MoralEventHorizon regarding Ford's racism. Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay as time went on (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Cheyenne Autumn'' for example, as well as ''Sergeant Rutledge''--one of the first films at the time with an African-American male lead). Still, Ford himself was typically the one to bring up his role in Griffith's film--and not in the context of apologizing or providing context for it. So was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely); did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy, or just a chance gig to appear in a film by the most respected director of his age, was an acceptable reason for appearing in it; or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends? [[note]]It should be noted Creator/DWGriffith was widely admired and respected by people of different political beliefs in his day, even by the likes of Creator/OrsonWelles and Creator/NicholasRay who were more openly anti-racist than others of their generation. The film fraternity generally respected Griffith for his technical achievements and saw "Birth of a Nation" as a landmark for the motion picture industry[[/note]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Recently, Creator/QuentinTarantino has raised the issue of Ford's role as an extra in ''Film/BirthOfANation'', where he played one of the Klansmen. Ford scholars have always seen it as a throwaway gig (he had not started his career as a director and was working odd jobs at the time) but Tarantino sees it as indicative of a MoralEventHorizon regarding Ford's racism. Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay as time went on (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Cheyenne Autumn'' for example, as well as ''Sergeant Rutledge''--one of the first films at the time with an African-American male lead). Still, Ford himself was typically the one to bring up his role in Griffith's film--and not in the context of apologizing or providing context for it. So was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely); did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy, or just a chance gig to appear in a film by the most respected director of his age, was an acceptable reason for appearing in it; or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends? [[note]]It should be noted Creator/DWGriffith was widely admired and respected by people of different political beliefs in his day, even by the likes of Creator/OrsonWelles and Creator/NicholasRay who were more openly anti-racist than others of their generation. The film fraternity generally respected Griffith for his technical achievements and saw "Birth of a Nation" as a landmark for the motion picture industry[[/note]].
30th Jul '15 9:09:14 AM RushLimborg
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Recently, Creator/QuentinTarantino has raised the issue of Ford's role as an extra in ''Film/BirthOfANation'', where he played one of the Klansmen. Ford scholars have always seen it as a throwaway gig (He had not started his career as a director and was working odd jobs at the time) but Tarantino sees it as indicative of Ford's racism. Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Cheyenne Autumn'' for example) as well as ''Sergeant Rutledge'' (one of the first films at the time with an African-American male lead). Was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely), or did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy, or a chance gig to appear in a film by the most respected director of his age was an acceptable reason for appearing in it, or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends? [[note]]It should be noted Creator/DWGriffith was widely admired and respected by people of different political beliefs in his day, even by the likes of Creator/OrsonWelles and Creator/NicholasRay who were more openly anti-racist than others of their generation. The film fraternity generally respected Griffith for his technical achievements and saw "Birth of a Nation" as a landmark for the motion picture industry[[/note]].

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Recently, Creator/QuentinTarantino has raised the issue of Ford's role as an extra in ''Film/BirthOfANation'', where he played one of the Klansmen. Ford scholars have always seen it as a throwaway gig (He (he had not started his career as a director and was working odd jobs at the time) but Tarantino sees it as indicative of a MoralEventHorizon regarding Ford's racism. Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay as time went on (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Cheyenne Autumn'' for example) example, as well as ''Sergeant Rutledge'' (one Rutledge''--one of the first films at the time with an African-American male lead). Was Still, Ford himself was typically the one to bring up his role in Griffith's film--and not in the context of apologizing or providing context for it. So was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely), or (unlikely); did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy, or just a chance gig to appear in a film by the most respected director of his age age, was an acceptable reason for appearing in it, it; or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends? [[note]]It should be noted Creator/DWGriffith was widely admired and respected by people of different political beliefs in his day, even by the likes of Creator/OrsonWelles and Creator/NicholasRay who were more openly anti-racist than others of their generation. The film fraternity generally respected Griffith for his technical achievements and saw "Birth of a Nation" as a landmark for the motion picture industry[[/note]].
29th Jul '15 9:09:42 PM JulianLapostat
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Creator/QuentinTarantino has notably pointed to Ford's portrayal of a Klansman in ''Film/BirthOfANation''--and never seeming to have regretted it (to the point where Ford himself was often the one to bring it up)--as a MoralEventHorizon of sorts. As his career progressed, Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Film/CheyenneAutumn'', for example), but Tarantino's words on the issue have led to no small amount of BrokenBase. Was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely), or did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy was an acceptable reason for appearing in it, or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends?

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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Recently, Creator/QuentinTarantino has notably pointed to raised the issue of Ford's portrayal of a Klansman role as an extra in ''Film/BirthOfANation''--and never seeming to have regretted it (to the point ''Film/BirthOfANation'', where he played one of the Klansmen. Ford himself was often the one to bring scholars have always seen it up)--as as a MoralEventHorizon of sorts. As throwaway gig (He had not started his career progressed, as a director and was working odd jobs at the time) but Tarantino sees it as indicative of Ford's racism. Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Film/CheyenneAutumn'', ''Cheyenne Autumn'' for example), but Tarantino's words on example) as well as ''Sergeant Rutledge'' (one of the issue have led to no small amount of BrokenBase. first films at the time with an African-American male lead). Was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely), or did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy MoneyDearBoy, or a chance gig to appear in a film by the most respected director of his age was an acceptable reason for appearing in it, or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends?contends? [[note]]It should be noted Creator/DWGriffith was widely admired and respected by people of different political beliefs in his day, even by the likes of Creator/OrsonWelles and Creator/NicholasRay who were more openly anti-racist than others of their generation. The film fraternity generally respected Griffith for his technical achievements and saw "Birth of a Nation" as a landmark for the motion picture industry[[/note]].
29th Jul '15 2:28:15 PM RushLimborg
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29th Jul '15 2:26:11 PM RushLimborg
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: Creator/QuentinTarantino has notably pointed to Ford's portrayal of a Klansman in ''Film/BirthOfANation''--and never seeming to have regretted it (to the point where Ford himself was often the one to bring it up)--as a MoralEventHorizon of sorts. As his career progressed, Ford's portrayals of minority characters did indeed become more nuanced and FairForItsDay (compare ''Film/{{Stagecoach}}'' to ''Film/CheyenneAutumn'', for example), but Tarantino's words on the issue have led to no small amount of BrokenBase. Was Ford honestly unaware of the racism of ''Birth of a Nation'' (unlikely), or did he simply feel that MoneyDearBoy was an acceptable reason for appearing in it, or did he actually agree with the film's support of "separate but equal" as Quentin contends?
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