History YMMV / JohnCarterOfMars

27th Aug '17 2:29:30 PM ACW
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*CompleteMonster: In ''The Gods of Mars'', the BigBad, [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen Issus]], [[EvilOldFolks ancient]] ruler of the First Born Black Martians, has [[AGodAmI manipulated the Martian religion into a cult surrounding her]]. Making the First Born into a violent force that routinely kill and enslave others, Issus lures victims to her domain in the Valley of Dor where they are killed or made into her slaves. Many are forced to [[GladiatorGames fight in the arenas to die for her entertainment]] while the women are made into her handmaidens who only last a year before she kills and eats them. Throwing John Carter and friends into the arena, Issus has a slave revolt massacred when John gets them to rise up against her. Out of spite, Issus later locks John's beloved princess Dejah Thoris and two other women who love him into a chamber that will seal off, leaving them nothing to eat but one another. With no care for her own people, Issus stands as among the worst Barsoom has to offer.
14th Mar '17 6:42:52 AM TheNerevarine
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* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[MsFanservice Dejah Thoris]], despite her decreased focus in succeeding books, is one of the most recognizable characters in the Barsoom series. She has been heavily depicted in John Carter's fan arts, popular pin-up subject among artists like FrankFrazetta and is given expanded roles in Dynamite Entertainment's comic adaptation, even starring her own regular series and original miniseries as ''Dejah of Mars'' and ''Dejah Thoris and the Green Men of Mars''.

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* EnsembleDarkhorse: [[MsFanservice Dejah Thoris]], despite her decreased focus in succeeding books, is one of the most recognizable characters in the Barsoom series. She has been heavily depicted in John Carter's fan arts, popular pin-up subject among artists like FrankFrazetta Creator/FrankFrazetta and is given expanded roles in Dynamite Entertainment's comic adaptation, even starring her own regular series and original miniseries as ''Dejah of Mars'' and ''Dejah Thoris and the Green Men of Mars''.Mars''.



** It's not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]] - they're a very attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.)'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn shake off their evil ways once their ChurchOfEvil is destroyed.]]
** Green Martians were [[OurOrcsAreDifferent orcs]] before [[LordOfTheRings it was cool.]]

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** It's not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]] - they're a very attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.)'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn shake off their evil ways once their ChurchOfEvil Church Of Evil is destroyed.]]
** Green Martians were [[OurOrcsAreDifferent orcs]] before [[LordOfTheRings [[Literature/LordOfTheRings it was cool.]]]] Hell, they even embodied aspects of both Tolkien and Blizzard orcs, being depicted as vicious and warlike in general, but some of their members were honorable to a fault - before these tropes were established.
17th Jan '17 4:06:19 AM SorPepita
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** John Carter was preceded by an obscure book titled ''Lieutenant Gullivar Jones: His Vacation'', which was about an Earthman transported to Mars through mystical means, fights aliens with his superhuman strength and falls in love with an alien princess. The book was published a decade before Burroughs wrote ''A Princess of Mars''. Interestingly, both works crossed over in comic book format in Dynamite's ''Warriors of Mars'' (as well as the famously AllMythsAreTrue comic series, ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen.''
** Its not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]] - they're a very attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.)'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn shake off their evil ways once their ChurchOfEvil is destroyed.]]

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** John Carter was preceded by an obscure book titled ''Lieutenant Gullivar Jones: His Vacation'', which was about an Earthman transported to Mars through mystical means, fights aliens with his superhuman strength and falls in love with an alien princess. The book was published a decade before Burroughs wrote ''A Princess of Mars''. Interestingly, both works crossed over in comic book format in Dynamite's ''Warriors of Mars'' (as well as the famously AllMythsAreTrue comic series, ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen.''
''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen''.)
** Its It's not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]] - they're a very attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.)'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn shake off their evil ways once their ChurchOfEvil is destroyed.]]
17th Jan '17 3:57:07 AM SorPepita
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: While Barsoom's a [[JustBeforeTheEnd dying world in the twilight of its civilization]] with its [[TheHoard hoards of barbarians]] [[RapePillageAndBurn sacking any remaining cities they come across]], the presence of FantasticRacism among the different Martian subspecies, the Red Martians being the only real remnant of culture confined to a few hundred remaining cities with resources getting more scarce, cannibalistic priests and sky pirates, and constant bloodshed, Mars is an awesome place to live. With all kinds of futuristic airships and inventions to use, gorgeous landscapes and plantlife, [[ExposedExtraterrestrials attractive men and women going completely naked]], everyone living in a WorldOfBadass where fighting is awesome and injuries can be healed easily, and everyone getting long lifespans up to a thousand years, who wouldn't want to go?

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: While Barsoom's a [[JustBeforeTheEnd dying world in the twilight of its civilization]] with its [[TheHoard hoards [[TheHorde hordes of barbarians]] [[RapePillageAndBurn sacking any remaining cities they come across]], the presence of FantasticRacism among the different Martian subspecies, the Red Martians being the only real remnant of culture confined to a few hundred remaining cities with resources getting more scarce, cannibalistic priests and sky pirates, and constant bloodshed, Mars is an awesome place to live. With all kinds of futuristic airships and inventions to use, gorgeous landscapes and plantlife, [[ExposedExtraterrestrials attractive men and women going completely naked]], everyone living in a WorldOfBadass where fighting is awesome and injuries can be healed easily, and everyone getting long lifespans up to a thousand years, who wouldn't want to go?
14th Jan '17 2:53:09 PM darkabomination
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: As much of a DyingWorld Barsoom is, with its [[TheHoard hoards of barbarians]] [[RapePillageAndBurn sacking any remaining cities they come across]], the presence of FantasticRacism among the different Martian subspecies, the Red Martians being the only real remnant of culture confined to a few hundred remaining cities with resources getting more scarce, cannibalistic priests and sky pirates, and constant bloodshed, Mars is an awesome place to live. With all kinds of futuristic airships and inventions to use, gorgeous landscapes and plantlife, [[ExposedExtraterrestrials attractive men and women going completely naked]], everyone living in a WorldOfBadass where fighting is awesome and injuries can be healed easily, and everyone getting long lifespans up to a thousand years, who wouldn't want to go?

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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: As much While Barsoom's a [[JustBeforeTheEnd dying world in the twilight of a DyingWorld Barsoom is, its civilization]] with its [[TheHoard hoards of barbarians]] [[RapePillageAndBurn sacking any remaining cities they come across]], the presence of FantasticRacism among the different Martian subspecies, the Red Martians being the only real remnant of culture confined to a few hundred remaining cities with resources getting more scarce, cannibalistic priests and sky pirates, and constant bloodshed, Mars is an awesome place to live. With all kinds of futuristic airships and inventions to use, gorgeous landscapes and plantlife, [[ExposedExtraterrestrials attractive men and women going completely naked]], everyone living in a WorldOfBadass where fighting is awesome and injuries can be healed easily, and everyone getting long lifespans up to a thousand years, who wouldn't want to go?
14th Jan '17 2:48:58 PM darkabomination
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* DoNotDoThisCoolThing: As much of a DyingWorld Barsoom is, with its [[TheHoard hoards of barbarians]] [[RapePillageAndBurn sacking any remaining cities they come across]], the presence of FantasticRacism among the different Martian subspecies, the Red Martians being the only real remnant of culture confined to a few hundred remaining cities with resources getting more scarce, cannibalistic priests and sky pirates, and constant bloodshed, Mars is an awesome place to live. With all kinds of futuristic airships and inventions to use, gorgeous landscapes and plantlife, [[ExposedExtraterrestrials attractive men and women going completely naked]], everyone living in a WorldOfBadass where fighting is awesome and injuries can be healed easily, and everyone getting long lifespans up to a thousand years, who wouldn't want to go?



* LesYay: In ''Gods of Mars'' and ''Warlord of Mars'', there are suggestions of this between Dejah Thoris of Helium and Thuvia of Ptarth, who are imprisoned together with the villanous Phaidor in the Temple of the Sun. When Dejah Thoris is reunited with her beloved John Carter at the end of Warlord, she recounts how Thuvia's "tender love" kept her sane through the months of their imprisonment.
** John Carter admires Xodar and calls him handsome and beautiful at certain points.

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In ''Gods of Mars'' and ''Warlord of Mars'', there are suggestions of this between Dejah Thoris of Helium and Thuvia of Ptarth, who are imprisoned together with the villanous Phaidor in the Temple of the Sun. When Dejah Thoris is reunited with her beloved John Carter at the end of Warlord, she recounts how Thuvia's "tender love" kept her sane through the months of their imprisonment.
** John Carter admires Xodar and calls him handsome and beautiful at certain points.



* {{Moe}}: Sola of the Green Martians. She's kind, comforts Dejah when she's captured, cares for her father, and suffers a tragic backstory.



* OneSceneWonder: Solan, the OldMaster and BossInMooksClothing. The guy appears ''very'' briefly, but he gives Carter a better fight than ''anyone else in the series''.

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* OneSceneWonder: Solan, the OldMaster and BossInMooksClothing.BossInMookClothing. The guy appears ''very'' briefly, but he gives Carter a better fight than ''anyone else in the series''.
21st Dec '16 10:03:02 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* EvilIsSexy: Phaidor. [[DaddysLittleVillain A Thern princess]] [[DiamondsIntheBuff wearing nothing more than jewelry]]. Many illustrators depict her just like [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe Dejah Thoris]] with blonde hair [[LightIsNotGood and white skin]], but with a [[AGodAmI god complex]] and [[ImAHumanitarian taste for cannibalism.]] Even the hero notes she is very beautiful, despite turning down her advances.

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* EvilIsSexy: Phaidor. [[DaddysLittleVillain A Thern princess]] [[DiamondsIntheBuff [[DiamondsInTheBuff wearing nothing more than jewelry]]. Many illustrators depict her just like [[GreenSkinnedSpaceBabe Dejah Thoris]] with blonde hair [[LightIsNotGood and white skin]], but with a [[AGodAmI god complex]] and [[ImAHumanitarian taste for cannibalism.]] Even the hero notes she is very beautiful, despite turning down her advances.
5th Dec '16 11:56:23 PM LBHills
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** Its not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]] - they're a very attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn turn on a new leaf and redeem their evil ways.]]

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** Its not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]] - they're a very attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.'' )'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn turn on a new leaf and redeem shake off their evil ways.ways once their ChurchOfEvil is destroyed.]]
5th Dec '16 11:54:26 PM LBHills
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** The cannibalistic White Martians are even nastier than the Black Martians. Clearly inferior morally to the Red Martians, intellectually to the Black Martians and technologically to the Yellow Martians, the White Martians are easily the most unpleasant of the Barsoomian races. Those hybrid Red Martians (and many of the "monstrous" Green Martians) are good guys and clearly very intelligent, adapting very quickly once not oppressed by the others. [[spoiler:The original trilogy even ends with John Carter becoming the eponymous warlord and uniting all the varying races of Barsoom as equals -- and this is clearly shown to be a ''good thing.'']] The portrayal of women has been compared favorably in some respects to even some modern works.
** It is also stated that the cross-breeding that resulted in the Red Martians was intentional. An attempt to breed a race that could adapt better to the changing environment.

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** The cannibalistic White Martians are even nastier than the Black Martians. Clearly inferior morally to the Red Martians, intellectually to the Black Martians and technologically to the Yellow Martians, the White Martians are easily the most unpleasant of the Barsoomian races. Those hybrid Red Martians (and many even some of the "monstrous" Green Martians) are good guys and clearly very intelligent, adapting very quickly once not oppressed by the others. [[spoiler:The original trilogy even ends with John Carter becoming the eponymous warlord and uniting all the varying races of Barsoom as equals -- and this is clearly shown to be a ''good thing.'']] The portrayal of women has been compared favorably in some respects to even some modern works.
** It is also stated that the cross-breeding that resulted in the Red Martians was intentional. An intentional - an attempt to breed a race that could adapt better to the changing environment.



** John is a ''former confederate soldier''. [[note]]At the time, the Confederacy was often seen as the more romantic side of the Civil War; as attitudes shifted, particularly about race, they became seen as a much more villainous side. Where once a Confederate hero might be expected, to modern readers it carries a whole bucket of UnfortunateImplications. TheFilmOfTheBook largely gets around the UnfortunateImplications by making it plain Carter was extremely disillusioned by the Civil War and felt little loyalty towards the Confederate cause[[/note]]
** This is actually lampshaded in ''The Gods of Mars'' when Carter meets Black Martians for the first time; the narration says he finds them admirable fighters and that their skin tone only makes them more handsome, adding that the reader may find this odd for a Virginian to say.

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** John is a ''former confederate Confederate soldier''. [[note]]At the time, the Confederacy was often seen as the more romantic side of the Civil War; as attitudes shifted, particularly about race, they became seen as a much more villainous side. Where once a Confederate hero might be expected, to modern readers it carries a whole bucket of UnfortunateImplications. TheFilmOfTheBook largely gets around the UnfortunateImplications by making it plain Carter was extremely disillusioned by the Civil War and felt little loyalty towards the Confederate cause[[/note]]
** This is actually lampshaded in ''The Gods of Mars'' when Carter meets Black Martians for the first time; the narration says he finds them admirable fighters and that their skin tone only makes them more handsome, adding that the reader may find this odd 'odd for a Virginian to say.say'.



** John Carter admires Xodar and calls him handsome an beautiful at certain points.

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** John Carter admires Xodar and calls him handsome an and beautiful at certain points.



** John Carter was preceded by an obscure book titled ''Lieutenant Gullivar Jones: His Vacation'', which was about an Earthman transported to Mars through mystical means, fights aliens with his superhuman strength and falls in love with an alien princess. The book was published a decade before Burroughs wrote ''A Princess of Mars''. Interestingly, both works crossed over in comic book format in Dynamite's ''Warriors of Mars''.
** Its not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]], with them being a very attractive dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders and worship an evil, female deity. The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn turn on a new leaf and redeem their evil ways.]]

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** John Carter was preceded by an obscure book titled ''Lieutenant Gullivar Jones: His Vacation'', which was about an Earthman transported to Mars through mystical means, fights aliens with his superhuman strength and falls in love with an alien princess. The book was published a decade before Burroughs wrote ''A Princess of Mars''. Interestingly, both works crossed over in comic book format in Dynamite's ''Warriors of Mars''.
Mars'' (as well as the famously AllMythsAreTrue comic series, ''ComicBook/TheLeagueOfExtraordinaryGentlemen.''
** Its not hard to imagine the First Born as [[ForgottenRealms drow]], with them being drow]] - they're a very attractive attractive, dark-skinned, long-lived race that lives underground, regularly enslaves outsiders outsiders, and worship an evil, female deity. (The inventor of the drow, Creator/GaryGygax, has cited the John Carter books as one of the many sources that inspired the lore of ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons.'' The obvious difference is that the First Born [[HeelFaceTurn turn on a new leaf and redeem their evil ways.]]



* NightmareFuel: [[NightmareFuel/JohnCarterOfMars Plenty of it]].



* OneSceneWonder: Solan. The guy appears ''very'' briefly, but he gives Carter a better fight than ''anyone else in the series''.

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* OneSceneWonder: Solan.Solan, the OldMaster and BossInMooksClothing. The guy appears ''very'' briefly, but he gives Carter a better fight than ''anyone else in the series''.



* ValuesDissonance: Burroughs was writing at a time when scientific racialism was in vogue, and it shows; the Red Martians, the most populous (and least advanced technologically) of the humanoid Martians, are said to have originated out of miscegenation between the White, Yellow, and Black Martians, who have been forced into polar enclaves by dysgenic pressure. The fact that the Black Martians are cannibalistic raiders is questionable in modern eyes.

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* ValuesDissonance: Burroughs was writing at a time when scientific racialism was in vogue, and it shows; the Red Martians, the most populous (and least advanced technologically) of the humanoid Martians, are said to have originated out of miscegenation between the White, Yellow, and Black Martians, who have been forced into polar enclaves by dysgenic pressure. The fact that the Black Martians are cannibalistic raiders is questionable in modern eyes.
5th Dec '16 11:47:33 PM LBHills
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* AntiClimaxBoss: All major antagonists are this, one way or another. None of them provide a serious challenge to Carter in a straight up fight ([[NonProtagonistResolver that is when they are not being disposed by someone else]]), given they are mostly schemers, way past their former glory or just can't keep up with a InvincibleHero. The closest thing to provide a serious battle to Carter was an Yellow Martian old man, and there was no one there to witness their duel.

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* AntiClimaxBoss: All major antagonists are this, one way or another. None of them provide a serious challenge to Carter in a straight up fight ([[NonProtagonistResolver that is when they are not being disposed by someone else]]), given they are mostly schemers, way past their former glory or just can't keep up with a InvincibleHero. The closest thing to provide a serious battle to only time Carter found himself outmatched in ''sheer skill'' was an Yellow Martian old man, and there was Solan, a BossInMooksClothing. Carter even laments that [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold that phenomenal duel had no one there to witness their duel.witnesses.]]
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