History YMMV / JadeEmpire

5th Sep '17 1:17:17 AM AquaRegia
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** Some people consider this to be the best Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender game ever made.
20th Aug '17 2:59:40 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR]]'' meets ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''.
14th Aug '17 12:06:57 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], Dawn Star, either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
14th Aug '17 12:06:47 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
14th Aug '17 12:06:36 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
14th Aug '17 12:06:28 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of both water and death. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save the Jade Empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he kills the Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kin, from the dead to be his servant]], and continues the former Emperor's policy of having [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools - in his own words, "a man with no remorse, no pity". He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as his own child, but kills them without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they had outlived they usefulness]], and has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], Dawn Star, either.]]
* CrazyAwesome: Black Whirlwind, and how.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BigBad [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of both water rain and death. reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save the Jade Empire his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he kills murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the Water Dragon goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kin, Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and continues the former Emperor's policy of having has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools - in his own words, "a man with no remorse, no pity". tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as his own child, a [=son/daughter=], but kills them [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they s/he had outlived they usefulness]], his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], Dawn Star, either.]]
* CrazyAwesome: Black Whirlwind,
[[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and how.the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
30th Jul '17 12:04:34 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR]]'' meets ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''.
23rd Nov '16 7:55:07 PM SpectralTime
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** The description of the philosophies behind Open Palm and Closed Fist given by Smiling Mountain at the beginning was an interesting new take on morality, with Open Palm being gentle and supportive while Closed Fist advocated for tough love and teaching people to support themselves. It had the potential to make the in-game morality meter less about what was being achieved, in both cases improving the life of the recipient, and more about the method in which it was accomplished. Unfortunately, the description given at the beginning is [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation not at all]] representative of how it actually functions in game, forgetting the complexities and nuances of the philosophies in favor of a [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good/bad]] karma meter.

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** The description of the philosophies behind Open Palm and Closed Fist given by Smiling Mountain at the beginning was an interesting new take on morality, with Open Palm being gentle and supportive while Closed Fist advocated for tough love and teaching people to support themselves. It had the potential to make the in-game morality meter less about what was being achieved, in both cases improving the life of the recipient, and more about the method in which it was accomplished. Unfortunately, the description given at the beginning is [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation not at all]] rarely representative of how it actually functions in game, game]], almost always forgetting the complexities and nuances of the philosophies in favor of a [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good/bad]] karma meter.
23rd Nov '16 7:02:54 PM IndustriousArc
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**The description of the philosophies behind Open Palm and Closed Fist given by Smiling Mountain at the beginning was an interesting new take on morality, with Open Palm being gentle and supportive while Closed Fist advocated for tough love and teaching people to support themselves. It had the potential to make the in-game morality meter less about what was being achieved, in both cases improving the life of the recipient, and more about the method in which it was accomplished. Unfortunately, the description given at the beginning is [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation not at all]] representative of how it actually functions in game, forgetting the complexities and nuances of the philosophies in favor of a [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good/bad]] karma meter.
16th Nov '16 11:44:15 PM Brandar
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of both water and death. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save the Jade Empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he kills the Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kin, from the dead to be his servant]], and continues the former Emperor's policy of having [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as his own child, but kills them without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they had outlived they usefulness]], and has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], Dawn Star, either.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of both water and death. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save the Jade Empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he kills the Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kin, from the dead to be his servant]], and continues the former Emperor's policy of having [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools.tools - in his own words, "a man with no remorse, no pity". He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as his own child, but kills them without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they had outlived they usefulness]], and has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], Dawn Star, either.]]



* GoddamnBats: Lost Spirits attack in groups (that tend to be spread out), have homing ranged attacks that drain both your HP and Chi, and give ridiculously paltry EXP. They turn into DemonicSpiders when they're supporting an actual dangerous boss. Also, they respawn in most areas you find them in. At least their strong attack doesn't home...

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* GoddamnBats: GoddamnedBats:
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Lost Spirits attack in groups (that tend to be spread out), have homing ranged attacks that drain both your HP and Chi, and give ridiculously paltry EXP. They turn into DemonicSpiders when they're supporting an actual dangerous boss. Also, they respawn in most areas you find them in. At least their strong attack doesn't home...



* MagnificentBastard: Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom the MagnificentBastard seems to think he is one, judging by his name.

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* MagnificentBastard: MagnificentBastard:
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Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom the MagnificentBastard seems to think he is one, judging by his name.



* MoralEventHorizon: [[spoiler:Sun Li crosses it for the player when he kills them and reveals that he was using them as a pawn the entire time, and then crosses it for Dawn Star, ''his own daughter'', during the final battle when he coldly brushes off her attempts to reason with him and smugly declare that she was "just another tool".]]

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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[[spoiler:Sun Li crosses it for the player when he kills them and reveals that he was using them as a pawn the entire time, and then crosses it for Dawn Star, ''his own daughter'', during the final battle when he coldly brushes off her attempts to reason with him and smugly declare that she was "just another tool".]]



** Gao the Lesser crosses the line from "arrogant and petulant" after murdering junior student Si Pat for [[spoiler:impeding his kidnapping of Dawn Star]] and leaving his body burning in the street. Everyone in town is horrified and/or enraged by this act.



* SpiritualLicensee: ''Jade Empire'' is not a straight rip-off of ''Literature/BridgeOfBirds'', but it is certainly heavily inspired by its concept and takes several important character names (Master Li, Henpecked Hou) straight from the novel, although the characters themselves are different.
** Additionally, "Lu the Prodigy" seems much like ''Lu'' Yu, a.k.a. Number Ten Ox, and they share a plot point: [[spoiler:a flooded city hiding a secret artifact.]]

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* SpiritualLicensee: SpiritualLicensee:
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''Jade Empire'' is not a straight rip-off of ''Literature/BridgeOfBirds'', but it is certainly heavily inspired by its concept and takes several important character names (Master Li, Henpecked Hou) straight from the novel, although the characters themselves are different.
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different. Additionally, "Lu the Prodigy" seems much like ''Lu'' Yu, a.k.a. Number Ten Ox, and they share a plot point: [[spoiler:a flooded city hiding a secret artifact.]]



* ThatOneLevel: Rather late in the game [[spoiler: you are killed, must navigate the afterlife and the defiled temple of the Water Dragon, and face one of the hardest battle in the game against three very tough copies of yourself and no support character, in order to be resurrected.]]

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* ThatOneLevel: ThatOneLevel:
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Rather late in the game [[spoiler: you are killed, must navigate the afterlife and the defiled temple of the Water Dragon, and face one of the hardest battle in the game against three very tough copies of yourself and no support character, in order to be resurrected.]]
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