History YMMV / JadeEmpire

23rd Jan '18 1:00:51 AM CharlesPhipps
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* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: There's a big one with the issue of the Emperor, [[spoiler: Sun Li]], and the gods as relating to the drought which afflicted the kingdom. [[spoiler: We only know the actions of the Emperor and Sun Li after the drought, which include massacring the Spirit Monks as well as enslaving the Water Dragon but some fans believe their behavior may have been bad beforehand and resulted in the gods sending the drought to punish them. Others believe they may have been motivated by IDidWhatIHadToDo and RageAgainstTheHeavens to save their Empire against a horrific curse. Others may note the gods may simply have been maintaining the natural order that would have caused the drought in the first place while others believe that's yet another reason for the Sun family's actions. In the end, the game gives no clue to the moral character of either man before they ended up JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope.]]
5th Sep '17 1:17:17 AM AquaRegia
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** Some people consider this to be the best Franchise/AvatarTheLastAirbender game ever made.
20th Aug '17 2:59:40 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR]]'' meets ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''.
14th Aug '17 12:06:57 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], Dawn Star, either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
14th Aug '17 12:06:47 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
14th Aug '17 12:06:36 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of rain and reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as a [=son/daughter=], but kills [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness s/he had outlived his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], [[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
14th Aug '17 12:06:28 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of both water and death. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save the Jade Empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he kills the Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kin, from the dead to be his servant]], and continues the former Emperor's policy of having [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools - in his own words, "a man with no remorse, no pity". He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as his own child, but kills them without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they had outlived they usefulness]], and has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], Dawn Star, either.]]
* CrazyAwesome: Black Whirlwind, and how.

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* CompleteMonster: [[spoiler: [[BigBad [[spoiler:[[BigBad Sun Li]] is also known as [[TheChessmaster the Glorious Strategist]]. Prior to the game he orchestrated the genocide of the spirit monks, the protectors of the Water Dragon, the goddess in charge of both water rain and death. reincarnation. Ostensibly he did this to force the Water Dragon to save the Jade Empire his empire from a drought, but in reality his plan was to [[CainAndAbel kill his brother, Emperor Sun Hai]], and take the power of the Water Dragon for himself, [[AGodAmI becoming a god]]. This would have the side effect of stopping the cycle of reincarnation and cause the dead to rise up and attack the living. After his protégé, the last Spirit Monk, kills his brother for him, [[UngratefulBastard he kills murders the last Spirit Monk]], takes the powers of the Water Dragon goddess for himself, [[AndIMustScream raises his younger brother, Sun Kin, Kai, from the dead to be his servant]], and continues the former Emperor's policy of having has [[SecretPolice the Lotus Assassins]] abduct and murder people [[HumanResources to use their souls to power an invincible golem army]] for himself. Sun Li is a [[TheSociopath sociopath]], incapable of empathy or seeing people as anything other than tools - in his own words, "a man with no remorse, no pity". tools. He raised the last Spirit Monk since infancy as his own child, a [=son/daughter=], but kills them [=him/her=] without a second thought after [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness they s/he had outlived they usefulness]], his/her usefulness]]; and he has no problem with [[OffingTheOffspring trying to kill his birth daughter]], Dawn Star, either.]]
* CrazyAwesome: Black Whirlwind,
[[spoiler:Dawn Star]], either. While he tries to paint himself as well-intentioned, he's [[NotSoWellIntentionedExtremist obviously lying]] to save himself, and, [[TheBadGuyWins in the ending where he wins]], his "utopia" is nothing more than an [[{{Dystopia}} Orwellian dictatorship]] where [[AGodAmI everyone blindly worships Sun Li as a god]], and how.the mere act of questioning him can bring death upon the asker.]]
30th Jul '17 12:04:34 PM nombretomado
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* JustForFun/XMeetsY: ''[[VideoGame/KnightsOfTheOldRepublic KOTOR]]'' meets ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''.
23rd Nov '16 7:55:07 PM SpectralTime
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** The description of the philosophies behind Open Palm and Closed Fist given by Smiling Mountain at the beginning was an interesting new take on morality, with Open Palm being gentle and supportive while Closed Fist advocated for tough love and teaching people to support themselves. It had the potential to make the in-game morality meter less about what was being achieved, in both cases improving the life of the recipient, and more about the method in which it was accomplished. Unfortunately, the description given at the beginning is [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation not at all]] representative of how it actually functions in game, forgetting the complexities and nuances of the philosophies in favor of a [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good/bad]] karma meter.

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** The description of the philosophies behind Open Palm and Closed Fist given by Smiling Mountain at the beginning was an interesting new take on morality, with Open Palm being gentle and supportive while Closed Fist advocated for tough love and teaching people to support themselves. It had the potential to make the in-game morality meter less about what was being achieved, in both cases improving the life of the recipient, and more about the method in which it was accomplished. Unfortunately, the description given at the beginning is [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation not at all]] rarely representative of how it actually functions in game, game]], almost always forgetting the complexities and nuances of the philosophies in favor of a [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good/bad]] karma meter.
23rd Nov '16 7:02:54 PM IndustriousArc
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**The description of the philosophies behind Open Palm and Closed Fist given by Smiling Mountain at the beginning was an interesting new take on morality, with Open Palm being gentle and supportive while Closed Fist advocated for tough love and teaching people to support themselves. It had the potential to make the in-game morality meter less about what was being achieved, in both cases improving the life of the recipient, and more about the method in which it was accomplished. Unfortunately, the description given at the beginning is [[StoryAndGameplaySegregation not at all]] representative of how it actually functions in game, forgetting the complexities and nuances of the philosophies in favor of a [[BlackAndWhiteMorality good/bad]] karma meter.
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