History YMMV / JackKirby

3rd Jul '17 12:24:46 AM BeastC
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* VindicatedByHistory: The man had been a ButtMonkey of the industry thanks to Stan Lee getting the majority of the praise for their collaborations. It's only as time went on that true appreciation for his artwork and high influence on the medium began to grow. It helped that he was pretty ahead of his time, as noted in OlderThanTheyThink.
11th May '17 12:06:57 PM JulianLapostat
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** Creator/MarkHamill himself acknowledged the Franchise/StarWars SpaceOpera was to a great deal foreshadowed by Kirby, and [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/why-jack-kirby-is-probably-the-forgotten-father-of.html more than a few noted that Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker]] are quite similar to Darkseid-Orion and the concepts of the Force is similar to The Source while the quest to bring balance to the Force anticipates Darkseid's quest for the Anti-Life Equation. Vader's costume also looks a great deal like ''ComicBook/DrDoom'' with a darker palette. Kirby himself was flattered by the similarities and he merely lamented that the success of Star Wars vindicated his beliefs, over that of his editors, that his concepts and ideas were profitable and commercial.

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** Creator/MarkHamill himself acknowledged the Franchise/StarWars SpaceOpera was to a great deal foreshadowed by Kirby, and [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/why-jack-kirby-is-probably-the-forgotten-father-of.html more than a few noted that Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker]] are quite similar to Darkseid-Orion and the concepts of the Force is similar to The Source while the quest to bring balance to the Force anticipates Darkseid's quest for the Anti-Life Equation. Vader's costume also looks a great deal like ''ComicBook/DrDoom'' ''ComicBook/DoctorDoom'' with a darker palette. Kirby himself was flattered by the similarities and he merely lamented that the success of Star Wars vindicated his beliefs, over that of his editors, that his concepts and ideas were profitable and commercial.
11th May '17 11:09:36 AM JulianLapostat
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* OlderThanTheyThink: Creator/StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of TheIncredibleHulk TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Lou Ferrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

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Creator/StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of TheIncredibleHulk TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Lou Ferrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.Hulk.
** Everyone assumes that superhero {{Deconstruction}} and revival of forgotten characters began with Creator/AlanMoore but "King" Kirby did it first as Moore keeps pointing out. It was Kirby who brought back forgotten golden age characters like the Sub-Mariner in the Marvel Age, where in the early FF issue, Johnny Storm runs into an alcoholic hobo with a beard who after a shave turns out to be an amnesiac Namor who remembers his past and gets a DarkerAndEdgier upgrade (which is where ComicBook/{{Miracleman}} comes from). Likewise, Kirby was the one who decided to bring Captain America to the modern age in the famous Avengers issue where he was thawed out of ice and became a superhero out of time in a world vastly different from the Golden Age.
** Creator/MarkHamill himself acknowledged the Franchise/StarWars SpaceOpera was to a great deal foreshadowed by Kirby, and [[https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2016/12/why-jack-kirby-is-probably-the-forgotten-father-of.html more than a few noted that Darth Vader-Luke Skywalker]] are quite similar to Darkseid-Orion and the concepts of the Force is similar to The Source while the quest to bring balance to the Force anticipates Darkseid's quest for the Anti-Life Equation. Vader's costume also looks a great deal like ''ComicBook/DrDoom'' with a darker palette. Kirby himself was flattered by the similarities and he merely lamented that the success of Star Wars vindicated his beliefs, over that of his editors, that his concepts and ideas were profitable and commercial.
** In TheNewTens many noted that ComicBook/{{OMAC}} is more or less the original CyberPunk before there was any cyber to be punk about.
10th May '17 11:43:17 AM JulianLapostat
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* TooGoodToLast: Most of his DC work. It was one of the main reasons he left the company, as his promising books kept getting cancelled while comparatively mediocre ones survived.

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* TooGoodToLast: Most of his DC work. It was one of the main reasons he left the company, as his promising books kept getting cancelled while comparatively mediocre ones survived. Much as he would have grumbled, he really needed someone like Creator/StanLee to pitch and more or less invent a demographic for his highly original work which is more or less what happened with the Franchise/MarvelUniverse, which in its early years didn't have the big audience that people now assume it did, but survived because Lee managed to create a fan community and VocalMinority base among the teen and college demographic. Had someone like Lee worked at DC and had Kirby's back, perhaps his work there would have lasted longer. Original work in DC in the eighties, under Karen Berger's Vertigo worked and achieved success on the same principle.
10th May '17 11:36:20 AM JulianLapostat
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10th May '17 11:35:56 AM JulianLapostat
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* AttentionDeficitCreatorDisorder: Just imagine Kirby at his height drawing and plotting out comics with his detailed panels and pushing them out weekly during the golden age of the Marvel comics. That's a rate of productivity and creativity that is still the stuff of legends. Remember that it takes far more time to draw and lay out comics than it is to write them and as per the Marvel Method, Kirby more or less came up with the plots, character designs and action entirely on his own.

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* AttentionDeficitCreatorDisorder: Just imagine Kirby at his height drawing and plotting out comics with his detailed panels and pushing them out weekly during the golden age of the Marvel comics. That's a rate of productivity and creativity that is still the stuff of legends. Remember that it takes far more time to draw and lay out comics than it is to write them and as per the Marvel Method, Kirby more or less came up with [[MasterOfAll the plots, character designs and action action]] entirely on his own.
10th May '17 11:28:40 AM JulianLapostat
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* AttentionDeficitCreatorDisorder: Just imagine Kirby at his height drawing and plotting out comics with his detailed panels and pushing them out weekly during the golden age of the Marvel comics. That's a rate of productivity and creativity that is still the stuff of legends. Remember that it takes far more time to draw and lay out comics than it is to write them and as per the Marvel Method, Kirby more or less came up with the plots, character designs and action entirely on his own.
2nd Jul '16 12:23:19 PM moloch
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* TooGoodToLast: Most of his DC work. It was one of the main reasons he left the company, as his promising books kept getting cancelled while comparatively mediocre ones survived.

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* TooGoodToLast: Most of his DC work. It was one of the main reasons he left the company, as his promising books kept getting cancelled while comparatively mediocre ones survived.survived.
* WhatCouldHaveBeen:
** Kirby started designing the New Gods in the late '60s at Marvel, where they would have been a post-Ragnarok continuation of Thor. What's less well-known is that OMAC started life as a Captain-America-in-the-future pitch.
** During TheSeventies, Kirby was the conceptual art designer for an aborted attempt to produce a film based on Roger Zelazny's 1967 novel ''Literature/LordOfLight''. His art was later re-used for the [[Film/{{Argo}} CIA's fake movie "Argo"]]. He even gets a split-second cameo in the film! (The art actually seen in the film, however, isn't his, or even much like it.)
** Kirby produced the first 17 pages of an adaptation of one of his favourite series, Patrick [=McGoohan's=] ''Series/ThePrisoner''. Unfortunately, the series never materialised, but [[http://www.theredcircle.com/blog/2009/11/15/jkirby-tprsnr/ some art can be found online.]]
16th Jan '16 5:17:35 PM nombretomado
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* OlderThanTheyThink: StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of TheIncredibleHulk TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Lou Ferrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: StanLee Creator/StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of TheIncredibleHulk TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Lou Ferrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.
11th Jun '15 9:58:52 PM A.vonZiggurat
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* OlderThanTheyThink: StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of TheIncredibleHulk TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Lou Ferrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.

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* OlderThanTheyThink: StanLee wasn't the one who originated the creator cameo appearances in live action Marvel adaptations. Kirby beat him to it. He appeared in a 1977 episode of TheIncredibleHulk TV series. He was a police sketch artist drawing a witnesses description of the Hulk. Naturally, Kirby's drawing looked more like his version than Lou Ferrigno. Stan Lee didn't get his chance until 1989's Trial of the Incredible Hulk.Hulk.
* TooGoodToLast: Most of his DC work. It was one of the main reasons he left the company, as his promising books kept getting cancelled while comparatively mediocre ones survived.
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