History YMMV / InDeath

17th Sep '16 8:05:51 PM JoieDeCombat
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* StrawmanHasAPoint: One novel has another female character claim that Eve attempts to fit in with a male-dominated field by acting like a man and eschewing her femininity. This is presented in such a way that it's supposed to show the character as being shallow and arrogant, and simply using her sex appeal to get by. The thing is, she's right... Eve's desire to avoid anything "girly" often borders on obsession, and until several ''years'' into their marriage she freaks out at Roarke displaying affection for her in public for fear that someone she knows will see and think she's some weak emotional '''woman''' for kissing her husband.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint: One novel has another female character claim that Eve attempts to fit in with a male-dominated field by acting like a man and eschewing her femininity. This is presented in such a way that it's supposed to show the character as being shallow and arrogant, and simply using her sex appeal to get by. The thing is, she's right... Eve's desire to avoid anything "girly" often borders on obsession, and until several ''years'' into their marriage she freaks out at Roarke displaying affection for her in public for fear that someone she knows will see and think she's some weak emotional '''woman''' for kissing her husband. Notably, ''Portrait in Death'' contains a flashback to Eve childhood in which her mother beat her for getting into her cosmetics, so Eve's aversion to girliness may in fact be rooted at least in part in her horrific childhood (and even the very first book notes outright that Eve secretly admires women who are good at putting themselves together in a classically feminine style like Dr. Mira and Roarke's admin Caro). The specific example cited above may be less a case of a misaimed strawman and more a case of an obnoxious person whose point is dismissed out of hand because she's being obnoxious about it.
16th Sep '16 7:27:36 AM JoieDeCombat
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* HarsherInHindsight: In ''Rapture in Death'', published in 1996 and set in 2023, the Twin Towers are suspected to be the target of a terrorist attack. [[spoiler:The target turns out to be the Statue of Liberty.]]

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* HarsherInHindsight: In ''Rapture in Death'', published in 1996 and set in 2023, 2058, the Twin Towers are suspected to be the target of a terrorist attack. [[spoiler:The target turns out to be the Statue of Liberty.]]
16th Sep '16 7:26:28 AM JoieDeCombat
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---> '''Peabody''' ''(explaining her lateness):'' ..."Then I couldn't sleep because of the jitters, so I jumped [=McNab=] to sort of remind myself why I'm doing this..."
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---> "Was okay until the subway breakdown. That threw me off, and now I've got the jitters again."
---> '''Dallas:''' "You can just forget about jumping me to take your mind off them."

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---> --> '''Peabody''' ''(explaining her lateness):'' ..."Then I couldn't sleep because of the jitters, so I jumped [=McNab=] to sort of remind myself why I'm doing this..."
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"Was okay until the subway breakdown. That threw me off, and now I've got the jitters again."
---> --> '''Dallas:''' "You can just forget about jumping me to take your mind off them."
16th Sep '16 7:26:10 AM JoieDeCombat
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* HarsherInHindsight: In Rapture in Death, the Twin Towers is targeted in a terrorist attack. [[spoiler:It turned out to be the Statue of Liberty.]] Then 9/11 struck. The book takes place in 2023.
* LesYay - Dallas and Peabody, but only for humor, as they are both straight and in committed relationships.

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* HarsherInHindsight: In Rapture ''Rapture in Death, Death'', published in 1996 and set in 2023, the Twin Towers is targeted in are suspected to be the target of a terrorist attack. [[spoiler:It turned [[spoiler:The target turns out to be the Statue of Liberty.]] Then 9/11 struck. The book takes place in 2023.
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* LesYay - LesYay: Dallas and Peabody, but only for humor, as they are both straight and in committed relationships.



* StrawmanHasAPoint:
** One novel has another female character claim that Eve attempts to fit in with a male-dominated field by acting like a man and eschewing her femininity. This is presented in such a way that it's supposed to show the character as being shallow and arrogant, and simply using her sex appeal to get by. The thing is, she's right... Eve's desire to avoid anything "girly" often borders on obsession, and until several ''years'' into their marriage she freaks out at Roarke displaying affection for her in public for fear that someone she knows will see and think she's some weak emotional '''woman''' for kissing her husband.
* {{Squick}} - Eve and Roarke are examining the apartment of a sleazy murder victim (who they also discover to be a date rapist). In the process, Roarke remarks on (and handles) some [[TakeOurWordForIt vaguely defined]] but kinky sex toy. And then steals it, presumably to use on Eve later. Second hand sex toy, already ''very'' ew... second hand sex toy belonging to a rapist? '''Ugh'''.

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* StrawmanHasAPoint:
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StrawmanHasAPoint: One novel has another female character claim that Eve attempts to fit in with a male-dominated field by acting like a man and eschewing her femininity. This is presented in such a way that it's supposed to show the character as being shallow and arrogant, and simply using her sex appeal to get by. The thing is, she's right... Eve's desire to avoid anything "girly" often borders on obsession, and until several ''years'' into their marriage she freaks out at Roarke displaying affection for her in public for fear that someone she knows will see and think she's some weak emotional '''woman''' for kissing her husband.
* {{Squick}} - {{Squick}}: Eve and Roarke are examining the apartment of a sleazy murder victim (who they also discover to be a date rapist). In the process, Roarke remarks on (and handles) some [[TakeOurWordForIt vaguely defined]] but kinky sex toy. And then steals it, presumably to use on Eve later. Second hand sex toy, already ''very'' ew... second hand sex toy belonging to a rapist? '''Ugh'''.
8th Mar '16 6:25:41 PM jormis29
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* FridgeLogic: "Tubes" of soda, presumably plastic. Apparently the point is to say, "Look at us, the future isn't so enviro-meanie as to use ''cans''." But, aluminum is ''far'' easier to recycle than plastic (PennAndTellerBullshit has a good rundown on this). The supposed "eco-friendly" solution, in a world that is practically eco-''fascist'', is actually the ''less'' friendly solution.

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* FridgeLogic: "Tubes" of soda, presumably plastic. Apparently the point is to say, "Look at us, the future isn't so enviro-meanie as to use ''cans''." But, aluminum is ''far'' easier to recycle than plastic (PennAndTellerBullshit (''Series/PennAndTellerBullshit'' has a good rundown on this). The supposed "eco-friendly" solution, in a world that is practically eco-''fascist'', is actually the ''less'' friendly solution.
30th Dec '15 12:43:30 PM MagBas
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* JerkSue - Eve is rude, confrontational, antisocial, and has rage issues. She admits to delighting in upsetting people and making them hurt or angry, and using her position to do so... of course, [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality anyone who did the same thing to someone she cared about would be first on her Shit List]]. Threatening her friends and loved ones with bodily harm and humiliation is standard, and in-universe considered part of her charm. Any time she interacts with someone she knows well there's at least a fifty-fifty chance she's going to insult them deeply. And... well, honestly, this is longer than necessary already, you get the idea. With that said, ''New York To Dallas'' and stories after that have Eve beginning to realize that her {{Jerkass}} tendencies come from her biological mother, and that she may decide to tone them down a little, if only to act a little less like her mother.
* MarySue - Eve. Even if you don't agree that she is in execution, tell someone you know that you're reading a series about a female cop in the future who's pretty much the best police officer in the city, who constantly has bad guys work their entire plans around challenging themselves against her, and who is married to a drop-dead gorgeous guy who's the richest man in the universe.
* MarySuetopia: Parts of New York come off as this. But that's got nothing on the parts of Dallas, Texas that Eve goes to in ''New York To Dallas''. Those parts are so...perfect, sweet and squeaky-clean that Eve finds them a little creepy. It seems to serve the purpose of contrasting and highlighting just how vile, unnatural, monstrous, heinous, and disgusting Sylvia Prentiss and Isaac [=McQueen=] really are!
* PuritySue: Troy Trueheart is this, so very much! His purity had a LampshadeHanging put onto it more than once. In fact, ''Portrait In Death'' had a guy murdering [[PuritySue Purity Sues]] because he truly believed that by doing this, he would absorb the light of their pure souls into himself and never die, as well as show everyone else that they can avoid dying if they did this. Troy Trueheart almost ended up as one of his victims, in case you were wondering.
28th Nov '15 6:07:28 PM randomtroper89
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are Eve's JerkAss tendencies part of her way of coping her DarkAndTroubledPast? Or is it InTheBlood now that [[spoiler:it's revealed that her parents were {{Complete Monster}}s?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are Eve's JerkAss tendencies part of her way of coping her DarkAndTroubledPast? Or is it InTheBlood now that [[spoiler:it's revealed that how horrible her parents were {{Complete Monster}}s?]]were]].
13th Mar '14 10:47:35 PM TheMysteriousTroper
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are Eve's JerkAss tendencies part of her way of coping her DarkAndTroubledPast? Or is it InTheBlood now that [[spoiler:it's revealed that her parents were CompleteMonsters?]]

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Are Eve's JerkAss tendencies part of her way of coping her DarkAndTroubledPast? Or is it InTheBlood now that [[spoiler:it's revealed that her parents were CompleteMonsters?]]{{Complete Monster}}s?]]
12th Mar '14 4:31:12 PM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* HarsherInHindsight: In Rapture in Death, the Twin Towers is targeted in a terrorist attack. [[spoiler:It turned out to be the Statue of Liberty.]] Then 9/11 struck. The book takes place in 2023.



* HarsherInHindsight: In Rapture in Death, the Twin Towers is targeted in a terrorist attack. [[spoiler:It turned out to be the Statue of Liberty.]] Then 9/11 struck. The book takes place in 2023.
21st Feb '14 11:32:13 PM GamerFromJump
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* FridgeLogic: "Tubes" of soda, presumably plastic. Apparently the point is to say, "Look at us, the future isn't so enviro-meanie as to use ''cans''." But, aluminum is ''far'' easier to recycle than plastic (PennAndTellerBullshit has a good rundown on this). The supposed "eco-friendly" solution, in a world that is practically eco-''fascist'', is actually the ''less'' friendly solution.
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