History YMMV / IdentityCrisis

12th Jun '16 8:33:34 AM rafi
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** The book itself is a major BaseBreaker.
*** Notably, the book occupies many extremes simultaneously. [[spoiler: Jean Loring claims not to have wanted Sue's death, but brought along a flamethrower anyway, [[SarcasmMode perhaps as a baby shower present.]] On the other hand, Dr. Light's return to form, the upgrade to Calculator, and the rarity of a CrisisCrossover focused more on a personal level than on an apocalypse, were all critically lauded elements.]] Not to mention it led to Ralph's epic storyline in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo''.

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** The book itself is a major BaseBreaker.
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Notably, the book occupies many extremes simultaneously. [[spoiler: Jean Loring claims not to have wanted Sue's death, but brought along a flamethrower anyway, [[SarcasmMode perhaps as a baby shower present.]] On the other hand, Dr. Light's return to form, the upgrade to Calculator, and the rarity of a CrisisCrossover focused more on a personal level than on an apocalypse, were all critically lauded elements.]] Not to mention it led to Ralph's epic storyline in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo''.



* TheWoobie: Several, particularly Elongated Man and [[spoiler: Robin]].

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* TheWoobie: Several, particularly Elongated Man and [[spoiler: Robin]].Robin]].
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10th May '16 12:38:25 PM KlawKalash
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* VillainSue: Many felt Deathstroke was this during the series, in which he ''solos the Justice League'', including displaying ''faster reflexes than Wally West'' and ''out-willpower a GreenLanternRing'', the former being extremely improbable (on account of the Speed Force and speed being the Flash's [[OneSuperOnePowerSet thing]], and the latter being [[{{Asspull}} outright impossible]].

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* VillainSue: Many felt Deathstroke was this during the series, in which he ''solos the Justice League'', including displaying ''faster reflexes than Wally West'' and ''out-willpower a GreenLanternRing'', the former being extremely improbable (on account of the Speed Force and speed being the Flash's [[OneSuperOnePowerSet thing]], thing]]), and the latter being [[{{Asspull}} outright impossible]].
10th May '16 12:36:49 PM KlawKalash
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* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if its ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack). So it was, in fact, embarrassing. For the writer.

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* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if its it's ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack). So it was, in fact, embarrassing. For the writer.
25th Jan '16 10:48:49 AM AnotherGuy
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* WhatCouldHaveBeen: [[spoiler: The original murderer was indeed Ray Palmer. DC decided against, you know, having one of its major heroes become a villain.]]
23rd Dec '15 9:42:40 AM Grobi
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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Many fans feel this story and its extremely dark tone permanently changed DC for the worse. ''Identity Crisis'' was a come-from-behind sensation at the time, and as a result many of DC's other books took cues from it - in particular, its success meant it was now "okay" for superhero comics to depict sex and violence in more graphic ways. The trend ultimately led to much more unanimously hated stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', ''ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', and ''ComicBook/CryForJustice''.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Many fans feel this story and its extremely dark tone permanently changed DC for the worse. ''Identity Crisis'' was a come-from-behind sensation at the time, and as a result many of DC's other books took cues from it - in particular, its success meant it was now "okay" for superhero comics to depict sex and violence in more graphic ways. The trend ultimately led to much more unanimously hated stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', ''ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', and ''ComicBook/CryForJustice''.''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice''.
29th Sep '15 6:52:54 PM HamburgerTime
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* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: This is considered by many to be the beginning of DC's downward slide, leading to much more unanimously hated stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', ''ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', and ''ComicBook/CryForJustice''.

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* JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope: This is considered by FranchiseOriginalSin: Many fans feel this story and its extremely dark tone permanently changed DC for the worse. ''Identity Crisis'' was a come-from-behind sensation at the time, and as a result many to be the beginning of DC's downward slide, leading other books took cues from it - in particular, its success meant it was now "okay" for superhero comics to depict sex and violence in more graphic ways. The trend ultimately led to much more unanimously hated stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', ''ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', and ''ComicBook/CryForJustice''.
13th Jul '15 5:41:36 PM SpectralTime
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* {{Asspull}}: Deathstroke's victory over a JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if its ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack). So it was, in fact, embarrassing. For the writer.


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* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if its ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack). So it was, in fact, embarrassing. For the writer.
3rd Apr '15 12:30:52 AM Anicomicgeek
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* BrokenBase: The Deathstroke vs. Justice League fight. For all that is holy, '''[[InternetBackdraft never]]''' bring it up in any [[PopularityPower Versus Discussion]], less you want the thread to be completely derailed.

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* BrokenBase: BrokenBase:
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The Deathstroke vs. Justice League fight. For all that is holy, '''[[InternetBackdraft never]]''' bring it up in any [[PopularityPower Versus Discussion]], less you want the thread to be completely derailed.



* MemeticMutation: The series inspired a fad on the SomethingAwful forums of user avatars showing their [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guesses]] about the identity of Sue Dibny's murderer. The response to the series played a role in the formation of the "Batman's Shameful Secret" forum for comic book discussion on the site.

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* MemeticMutation: The series inspired a fad on the SomethingAwful Website/SomethingAwful forums of user avatars showing their [[WildMassGuessing Wild Mass Guesses]] about the identity of Sue Dibny's murderer. The response to the series played a role in the formation of the "Batman's Shameful Secret" forum for comic book discussion on the site.
23rd Mar '15 1:06:01 AM MichaelKatsuro
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** To be fair, he wasn't faster than the Flash. He just put his sword and Flash ran into it on a preset attack. It's more a case of Flash having target fixation. And he outright didn't say he could use the ring - he wanted to see if his willpower could control it. He broke Kyle's fingers to disrupt his willpower. In fact, Slade blows his victory by going after the ring, allowing Ollie to get the jump on him.
9th Feb '15 5:21:31 PM AnotherGuy
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** To be fair, he wasn't faster than the Flash. He just put his sword and Flash ran into it on a preset attack. It's more a case of Flash having target fixation. And he outright didn't say he could use the ring - he wanted to see if his willpower could control it. He broke Kyle's fingers to disrupt his willpower.

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** To be fair, he wasn't faster than the Flash. He just put his sword and Flash ran into it on a preset attack. It's more a case of Flash having target fixation. And he outright didn't say he could use the ring - he wanted to see if his willpower could control it. He broke Kyle's fingers to disrupt his willpower. In fact, Slade blows his victory by going after the ring, allowing Ollie to get the jump on him.
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