History YMMV / IdentityCrisis

2nd May '17 6:36:52 PM Scifimaster92
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* TheBadGuyWins: [[spoiler: Jean Loring]] reunites with [[spoiler: her husband]] (albeit temporarily); technically all of [[spoiler: her]] hits work as expected. The arrested super-villains are set free by the courts. Even the Calculator outsmarts Batman and in RealLife is upgraded by Meltzer into a sort of agent for hiring muscle and sorting the odds for a given crime.



* DrivenToMadness: Ralph Dibny in the epilogue may be just speaking to his dead wife in a spiritual way or may be going insane.
19th Apr '17 10:44:03 AM ritzoreo
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* DrivenToMadness: Ralph Dibny in the epilogue may be just speaking to his dead wife in a spiritual way or may be going insane.
19th Apr '17 10:15:55 AM ritzoreo
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* TheBadGuyWins: [[spoiler: Jean Loring]] reunites with [[spoiler: her husband]] (albeit temporarily); technically all of [[spoiler: her]] hits work as expected. The arrested super-villains are set free by the courts. Even the Calculator outsmarts Batman and is upgraded into a sort of agent for hiring muscle and sorting the odds for a given crime.

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* TheBadGuyWins: [[spoiler: Jean Loring]] reunites with [[spoiler: her husband]] (albeit temporarily); technically all of [[spoiler: her]] hits work as expected. The arrested super-villains are set free by the courts. Even the Calculator outsmarts Batman and in RealLife is upgraded by Meltzer into a sort of agent for hiring muscle and sorting the odds for a given crime.
19th Apr '17 2:51:20 AM ritzoreo
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* BadGuyWins: [[spoiler: Jean Loring]] reunites with [[spoiler: her husband]] (albeit temporarily); technically all of [[spoiler: her]] hits work as expected. The arrested super-villains are set free by the courts. Even the Calculator outsmarts Batman and is upgraded into a sort of agent for hiring muscle and sorting the odds for a given crime.

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* BadGuyWins: TheBadGuyWins: [[spoiler: Jean Loring]] reunites with [[spoiler: her husband]] (albeit temporarily); technically all of [[spoiler: her]] hits work as expected. The arrested super-villains are set free by the courts. Even the Calculator outsmarts Batman and is upgraded into a sort of agent for hiring muscle and sorting the odds for a given crime.
19th Apr '17 2:50:37 AM ritzoreo
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* BadGuyWins: [[spoiler: Jean Loring]] reunites with [[spoiler: her husband]] (albeit temporarily); technically all of [[spoiler: her]] hits work as expected. The arrested super-villains are set free by the courts. Even the Calculator outsmarts Batman and is upgraded into a sort of agent for hiring muscle and sorting the odds for a given crime.
22nd Mar '17 9:06:48 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** Jean's flame thrower.

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** Jean's [[spoiler: Jean's]] flame thrower.
22nd Mar '17 9:06:13 PM BronyoftheOctaves
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** Jean's flame thrower.
** "[[BlatantLies IT WAS A LOVE LETTER TO THE SILVER AGE!!]]"
3rd Mar '17 5:13:46 AM MCanter89
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* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a Franchise//JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently, penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if it's ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack).

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* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a Franchise//JusticeLeagueOfAmerica Franchise/JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently, penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if it's ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack).
3rd Mar '17 5:12:43 AM MCanter89
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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Dr. Light used to be a serious threat capable of taking on the Justice League, but somewhere along the line became a comical punching bag of the Teen Titans. This mini explains why that change took place and restores him to his original characterization.
** This however backfired, since rather than becoming LoveToHate villain, many people simply found him way too loathsome and uncomfortable to read about-not helped by story-line in GreenArrow, where him being a rapist became pretty much his sole character trait. Said story-line was one of only two major appearances following Identity Crisis and he was killed off by Spectre merely three years after this story.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Dr. Light used to be a serious threat capable of taking on the Justice League, but somewhere along the line line, he became a comical punching bag of the Teen Titans. This mini explains why that change took place and restores him to his original characterization.
** This however This, however, backfired, since rather than becoming LoveToHate villain, many people simply found him way too loathsome and uncomfortable to read about-not about--not helped by story-line storyline in GreenArrow, ''ComicBook/GreenArrow'' where him being a rapist became pretty much his sole character trait. Said story-line storyline was one of only two major appearances following Identity Crisis ''Identity Crisis'', and he was killed off by Spectre merely three years after this story. story.



** The Deathstroke vs. Justice League fight. For all that is holy, '''[[InternetBackdraft never]]''' bring it up in any [[PopularityPower Versus Discussion]], less you want the thread to be completely derailed.
** Notably, the book occupies many extremes simultaneously. [[spoiler: Jean Loring claims not to have wanted Sue's death, but brought along a flamethrower anyway, [[SarcasmMode perhaps as a baby shower present.]] On the other hand, Dr. Light's return to form, the upgrade to Calculator, and the rarity of a CrisisCrossover focused more on a personal level than on an apocalypse, were all critically lauded elements.]] Not to mention it led to Ralph's epic storyline in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo''.
* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if it's ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack).
** Green Lantern at the time was Kyle, and pre-rebirth of the Corps, so his ring wouldn't have gone to Deathstroke in any event. It's also explained that Deathstroke deliberately broke Kyle's ring finger and was attempting to overpower Kyle in its use before Green Arrow ended the fight -- it's not clear that Deathstroke would have succeeded.

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** The Deathstroke vs. Justice League fight. For all that is holy, '''[[InternetBackdraft never]]''' bring it up in any [[PopularityPower Versus Discussion]], less lest you want the thread to be completely derailed.
** Notably, the book occupies many extremes simultaneously. [[spoiler: Jean [[spoiler:Jean Loring claims not to have wanted Sue's death, but brought along a flamethrower anyway, [[SarcasmMode perhaps as a baby shower present.]] present]]. On the other hand, Dr. Light's return to form, the upgrade to Calculator, and the rarity of a CrisisCrossover focused more on a personal level than on an apocalypse, were all critically lauded elements.]] Not to mention it led to Ralph's epic storyline in ''ComicBook/FiftyTwo''.
''ComicBook/FiftyTwo''.
* CreatorsPet: The writer is an admitted Deathstroke fanboy who wanted to establish his favorite character as a badass. And he did so in the most fanboyish way possible: clumsily. Deathstroke's victory over a JusticeLeagueOfAmerica Franchise//JusticeLeagueOfAmerica team can only be described as a complete and total Ass Pull. Sure, the team of heroes he fought didn't include Batman, Superman, or Wonder Woman (two of whom would barely notice Deathstroke if he attacked them, and the third, Batman, would be ready for him if he did), but it ''did'' include the Flash and Green Lantern, neither of whom was portrayed as actually ''knowing how their own frigging powers worked'' during the fight. Key pieces are being somehow faster than the prototypical SuperSpeed superhero and overpowering Green Lantern's ring by developing stronger willpower (a facet that would be a reason for ''him'' to have the ring to begin with, not to mention not being how the ring works at all). It also included a direct reversal in how the Atom's powers normally work (the Atom ''does'' normally retain full mass when he shrinks) for no reason that was ever stated, and a complete and arbitrary nerfing of Black Canary's superpowers (she's easily able to rip through several feet of steel-reinforced concrete with her Canary Cry, but apparently apparently, penetrating a single layer of burlap over her mouth is beyond her abilities if it's ''Deathstroke's'' burlap sack).
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** Green Lantern at the time was Kyle, and pre-rebirth of the Corps, so his ring wouldn't have gone to Deathstroke in any event. It's also explained that Deathstroke deliberately broke Kyle's ring finger and was attempting to overpower Kyle in its use before Green Arrow ended the fight -- it's fight--it's not clear that Deathstroke would have succeeded.



* FranchiseOriginalSin: Many fans feel this story and its extremely dark tone permanently changed DC for the worse. ''Identity Crisis'' was a come-from-behind sensation at the time, and as a result many of DC's other books took cues from it - in particular, its success meant it was now "okay" for superhero comics to depict sex and violence in more graphic ways. The trend ultimately led to much more unanimously hated stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', ''ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', and ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice''.
** The core conceit of the book, using mind control to force people to forget about heroes' secret identities, had been part of comics for decades prior. Fans complained about how this series ruined Zatanna, but never seemed to remember that Zatanna really did mindwipe people in the 70s.

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* FranchiseOriginalSin: Many fans feel this story and its extremely dark tone permanently changed DC for the worse. ''Identity Crisis'' was a come-from-behind sensation at the time, and as a result result, many of DC's other books took cues from it - in it--in particular, its success meant it was now "okay" for superhero comics to depict sex and violence in more graphic ways. The trend ultimately led to much more unanimously hated stories like ''ComicBook/AmazonsAttack'', ''ComicBook/CountdownToFinalCrisis'', and ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice''.
** The core conceit concept of the book, using mind control to force people to forget about heroes' secret identities, had been part of comics for decades prior. Fans complained about how this series ruined Zatanna, but never seemed to remember that Zatanna really did mindwipe people in the 70s.'70s.



** An earlier event, the more nostalgic ''Silver Age'' series of "skip week" specials, also has a group of villains learning the Justice Leaguers' secrets...and in the end, Hawkman uses some Thanagarian technology to remove this knowledge from their minds, with the sanction of Superman and Batman. The whole thing is played as a ResetButton style happy ending. The Silver Age: Justice League chapter also contains a scene in which Doctor Light rejects Catwoman's advances, stating that he "has always been more interested in test tubes and Bunsen burners than the fairer sex."

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** An earlier event, the more nostalgic ''Silver Age'' series of "skip week" specials, also has a group of villains learning the Justice Leaguers' secrets... and in the end, Hawkman uses some Thanagarian technology to remove this knowledge from their minds, with the sanction of Superman and Batman. The whole thing is played as a ResetButton style happy ending. The Silver Age: Justice League chapter also contains a scene in which Doctor Light rejects Catwoman's advances, stating that he "has always been more interested in test tubes and Bunsen burners than the fairer sex."



** Crossed when [[spoiler: they used Zatanna to alter Dr. Light's personality - which led to them using Zatanna to wipe ''Batman's'' memory.]] Even ''Ralph'' is shocked to learn of it, of all people.
** Not to mention [[spoiler: Dr. Light and the whole, y'know, raping Sue Dibny thing.]]
** Or when [[Jean Loring killed Sue.]]

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** Crossed when [[spoiler: they [[spoiler:they used Zatanna to alter Dr. Light's personality - personality, which led to them using Zatanna to wipe ''Batman's'' memory.]] Even ''Ralph'' is shocked to learn of it, of all people.
** Not to mention [[spoiler: Dr.[[spoiler:Dr. Light and the whole, y'know, raping Sue Dibny thing.]]
** Or when [[Jean [[spoiler:Jean Loring killed Sue.]]



** A quieter one: Sue's funeral is the last physical appearance of [[{{Starman}} Jack Knight]] (he's next to Stargirl).

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** A quieter one: Sue's funeral is the last physical appearance of [[{{Starman}} [[ComicBook/{{Starman}} Jack Knight]] (he's next to Stargirl).



* ShockingSwerve: [[spoiler: Jean Loring being the murderer]] when pretty much ''all'' of the evidence beforehand suggested somebody else. Rather impossible in some degrees, since there is a panel where [[spoiler:someone else's hands tie the knot on which she fakes her own hanging]], which is dropped when the murderer is revealed.
* TheWoobie: Several, particularly Elongated Man and [[spoiler: Robin]].

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* ShockingSwerve: [[spoiler: Jean [[spoiler:Jean Loring being the murderer]] when pretty much ''all'' of the evidence beforehand suggested somebody else. Rather impossible in some degrees, since there is a panel where [[spoiler:someone else's hands tie the knot on which she fakes her own hanging]], which is dropped when the murderer is revealed.
* TheWoobie: Several, particularly Elongated Man and [[spoiler: Robin]].[[spoiler:Robin]].
27th Feb '17 2:00:07 AM ThallianGold
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** Green Lantern at the time was Kyle, and pre-rebirth of the Corps, so his ring wouldn't have gone to Deathstroke in any event. It's also explained that Deathstroke deliberately broke Kyle's ring finger and was attempting to overpower Kyle in its use before Green Arrow ended the fight -- it's not clear that Deathstroke would have succeeded.
** A bigger problem with Black Canary is that her scream is far from her only ability, and she's canonically one of the finest martial artists in the DC Universe. Canary's probably the closest Deathstroke would have had to an even fight in a straight-up match, too.



** The core conceit of the book, using mind control to force people to forget about heroes' secret identities, had been part of comics for decades prior. Fans complained about how this series ruined Zatanna, but never seemed to remember that Zatanna really did mindwipe people in the 70s.



** An earlier event, the more nostalgic ''Silver Age'' series of "skip week" specials, also has agroup fof villains learning the Justice Leaguers' secrets...and in the end, Hawkman uses some Thanagarian technology to remove this knowledge from their minds, with the sanction of Superman and Batman. The whole thing is played as a ResetButton style happy ending. The Silver Age: Justice League chapter also contains a scene in which Doctor Light rejects Catwoman's advances, stating that he "has always been more interested in test tubes and Bunsen burners than the fairer sex."

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** An earlier event, the more nostalgic ''Silver Age'' series of "skip week" specials, also has agroup fof a group of villains learning the Justice Leaguers' secrets...and in the end, Hawkman uses some Thanagarian technology to remove this knowledge from their minds, with the sanction of Superman and Batman. The whole thing is played as a ResetButton style happy ending. The Silver Age: Justice League chapter also contains a scene in which Doctor Light rejects Catwoman's advances, stating that he "has always been more interested in test tubes and Bunsen burners than the fairer sex."


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** Or when [[Jean Loring killed Sue.]]
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