History YMMV / IZombie

19th May '18 7:21:26 PM Arcana4th
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* SeasonalRot: Season4 has been receiving mixed reception from fans, in no small part due to Liv becoming an UnintentionallyUnsympathetic DesignatedHero in the scheme of [[spoiler:bringing more people into Seattle, essentially making the whole situation of the city infinitely worse while the DesignatedVillain Chase is the one trying to fix everything up]]. Clive and Bozzio's romance also being not considered as good as before, Liz and Major's storyline having crossed the line from dramatic to melodramatic among other issues fans found with the show.
15th May '18 6:30:39 AM ashaunti
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** Bozzio and Clive’s relationship has her come across as this. The ChastityCouple aspect of it is shown to be really hard on Clive. At first her calling him out when he takes pills to lower his libido instead of talking to her seems reasonable, but it goes down from their. They agree to try {{Polyamory}} yet Clives awkwardness and devastation upon finding out she went through with it brings to question just how consensual the decision was. She knows how uncomfortable he is with the situation because she’s been spying on him. Yet she doesn’t inform that she never actually slept with anyone until after he gets desperate and hires a prostitute. Meaning that he can’t argue against her. The InterspeciesRomance is supposed to be a trying time for both of them (such as when she listen to his conversation with Liv about wanting to have children) and while we do have Clive’s SympatheticPOV she still comes off as emotionally manipulative.

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** Bozzio and Clive’s relationship has her come across as this. The ChastityCouple aspect of it is shown to be really hard on Clive. At first her calling him out when he takes pills to lower his libido instead of talking to her seems reasonable, but it goes down from their. They agree to try {{Polyamory}} yet Clives awkwardness and devastation upon finding out she went through with it brings to question just how consensual the decision was. She knows how uncomfortable he is with the situation because she’s been spying on him. Yet she doesn’t inform that she never actually slept with anyone until after he gets desperate and hires a prostitute. Meaning that he can’t argue against her. The InterspeciesRomance is supposed to be a trying time for both of them (such as when she listen to his conversation with Liv about wanting to have children) and while we do have Clive’s SympatheticPOV she still comes off as emotionally manipulative.


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** Bozzio and Clive’s relationship has her come across as this. The ChastityCouple aspect of it is shown to be really hard on Clive. At first her calling him out when he takes pills to lower his libido instead of talking to her seems reasonable, but it goes down from their. They agree to try {{Polyamory}} yet Clives awkwardness and devastation upon finding out she went through with it brings to question just how consensual the decision was. She knows how uncomfortable he is with the situation because she’s been spying on him. Yet she doesn’t inform that she never actually slept with anyone until after he gets desperate and hires a prostitute. Meaning that he can’t argue against her. The InterspeciesRomance is supposed to be a trying time for both of them (such as when she listen to his conversation with Liv about wanting to have children) and while we do have Clive’s SympatheticPOV she still comes off as emotionally manipulative.
15th May '18 6:27:52 AM ashaunti
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** Bozzio and Clive’s relationship has her come across as this. The ChastityCouple aspect of it is shown to be really hard on Clive. At first her calling him out when he takes pills to lower his libido instead of talking to her seems reasonable, but it goes down from their. They agree to try {{Polyamory}} yet Clives awkwardness and devastation upon finding out she went through with it brings to question just how consensual the decision was. She knows how uncomfortable he is with the situation because she’s been spying on him. Yet she doesn’t inform that she never actually slept with anyone until after he gets desperate and hires a prostitute. Meaning that he can’t argue against her. The InterspeciesRomance is supposed to be a trying time for both of them (such as when she listen to his conversation with Liv about wanting to have children) and while we do have Clive’s SympatheticPOV she still comes off as emotionally manipulative.
15th May '18 4:52:16 AM Pren
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** At the end of "Insane in the Germ Brain," the death of a character we barely know is played like we're watching Ravi or Peyton die, with a ton of slow motion and Mozart's Requiem playing. That last part is at least revealed to be diagetic as the choir at Brother Love's church is singing it, but we don't know that while the scene is going on.
10th May '18 5:19:45 PM 43110
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* MagnificentBastard:
** Blaine becomes the sole supplier of brains to the zombies in the city, operating out of an actual butcher shop, using regular (i.e. not undead) delivery boys. His first act is to have sex with a rich older woman, infecting her, and then offer to supply her with brains for $25,000 a month. He's also charming and disarming, convincing Clive that his shop is on the level, when the detective comes to ask about a dead kid. He even offers Clive to show him around the back of the shop, despite having a cut-up body there ([[spoiler:although, had Clive agreed, he would've been killed]]). Despite being a lowly street dealer when he was alive, Blaine shows refinement, admitting he used to be a wine connoisseur before his taste buds atrophied, and even has his cook try to come up with tasty dishes with brains.
** The BigBad of season 3, [[spoiler:Carey Gold]] easily mixed with the background and so was barely remembered when it comes time to suspect who is involved with the Wally's family murders or anything else. However [[spoiler:she managed to gather a faction of extremist zombies in Fillmore Graves to help her on a mutiny against Chase, start a doomsday Liv and Chase can barely contain because by the time they realized her plan, it was too late to stop it. As a result they were only able to suppress it by stopping the vaccines, and even dying, she still managed to get what she wanted: There's more zombies than ever and Fillmore Graves is forced to impliment its doomsday protocol, a plan she believed would be better than their initial 'build a zombie sanctuary and live secretly' plan]]. All of this was done while they were far too under the radar for anyone to see it.
** Utterly subverted with [[spoiler:Chase Graves]] as he was set up to be one of these and pulled off a massive XanatosGambit that [[spoiler:culminated in an attempt to blackmail the United States into supplying 10,000+ zombies all of the brains they needed versus unleashing a horde of zombies on the world. Instead, the United States just walled off the city and now he's stuck with a lack of food for his undead horde as well as a city that despises him.]] This is notable because the show gave all the hints of him being a MagnificentBastard only for his plan to fall flat on its face.
*** Chase gets to reaffirm some of his MB credits, though, when a US general begins to campaign to nuke Seattle and kill everyone, a threat that ends up drawing close enough that everyone at Fillmore Graves is legitimately concerned. So Chase has Major smuggled out of Seattle with the help of Don E and Blaine, where they kidnap a party girl and take her back to Seattle, zombifying her in the process[[note]]this part was unintended, but it does benefit him[[/note]], where its revealed she's the general's daughter. He'd be unwilling to nuke the city while his daughter is trapped within it, and he can't have her smuggled out now that she's a zombie without some way to cure her first. Result is ''one'' of the city's many problems is solved.
8th May '18 9:30:56 PM Erivale
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** Chase Graves in season 4. The Doomsday plan (something he didn't want to implement in the first place) fails and as a result he's now charged with running a city state of zombies, walled off from the rest of the world. There's too few brains to support the increased number of zombies, which only gets worse as infections spread, and ''everyone'' blames him for it, despite him just being the guy stuck trying to fix it. TheChainsOfCommand greatly weigh on him and in order to keep Seattle running, he has to do many horrible things, from executing an old lady that was running an underground railroad that actively created more zombies they couldn't afford to feed, covering up Blaine's crimes to cover their business relations, and is forced to limit rations despite how close many are to starving. What's more, there's a ''severe'' amount of corruption among his ranks as many of his soldiers are abusive towards civilians (something he doesn't condone but is forced to cover up), as well as many stealing brains, contributing to the brain shortage, and thus making every other problem worse. All of which, the city blames him for, to the point he's accused of other crimes he doesn't engage in.

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** Chase Graves in season 4. The Doomsday plan (something he didn't want to implement in the first place) fails and as a result he's now charged with running a city state of zombies, walled off from the rest of the world. There's too few brains to support the increased number of zombies, which only gets worse as infections spread, and ''everyone'' blames him for it, despite him just being the guy stuck trying to fix it. TheChainsOfCommand TheChainsOfCommanding greatly weigh on him and in order to keep Seattle running, he has to do many horrible things, from executing an old lady that was running an underground railroad that actively created more zombies they couldn't afford to feed, covering up Blaine's crimes to cover their business relations, and is forced to limit rations despite how close many are to starving. What's more, there's a ''severe'' amount of corruption among his ranks as many of his soldiers are abusive towards civilians (something he doesn't condone but is forced to cover up), as well as many stealing brains, contributing to the brain shortage, and thus making every other problem worse. All of which, which the city blames him for, to the point he's accused of other crimes he doesn't engage in.
8th May '18 10:47:37 AM Erivale
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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Related to the above, many fans have trouble rooting for characters like [[spoiler:Liv and Mama Leone. Compared to chase, Liv and Mama Leone, who condemn everything Chase does, are only making things in New Seatle worse by creating new zombies at an unmatched rate simply because it "feels good to help people," never mind the already critical brain shortage. Many feel it is impossible to sympathize with them because they have no concept of what it means to make hard decisions that leave a bad taste in your mouth, and to choose TheNeedsOfTheMany, instead choosing to sit on a moral high-horse and criticize those who are forced to make those decisions, and come across as short-sighted, naive, and self-righteous.]]

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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Related to the above, many fans have trouble rooting for characters like [[spoiler:Liv and Mama Leone. Compared to chase, Liv The show paints them as brave and Mama Leone, selfless for risking the death penalty to zombify terminally ill humans, but compared to Chase, the two of them, who condemn everything Chase does, are only making things ignore the pre-existing problems in New Seatle worse by creating the city, namely zombie overpopulation and a critical brain shortage, and create new zombies at an unmatched rate simply because it "feels good to help people," never mind the already critical brain shortage. people." Many feel it is impossible to sympathize with them because they have no concept of what it means to make hard decisions that leave a bad taste in your mouth, and to choose TheNeedsOfTheMany, instead choosing to sit on a moral high-horse and criticize those who are forced to make those decisions, and come across as short-sighted, naive, and self-righteous.self-righteous. Some even go so far as to call them selfish for appeasing their own consciences and making themselves feel good instead of looking at the bigger picture.]]
8th May '18 10:30:28 AM Erivale
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Despite the show trying to portray them as being in the wrong, in season 4, many fans sympathize more with [[spoiler:Chase than with Liv. While most Chase fans agree that he hasn't made the best decisions, and has become increasingly draconian as the season continues, they point out that he is the ''only'' character looking at the bigger picture and trying to keep the whole situation from exploding. He didn't choose to become ruler of New Seatle, but was forced into it when Carey Gold enacted her coup, yet most of the main characters blame him for everything that's gone wrong. He is forced to make difficult decisions with no good outcomes, whatever he does, while his own inner circle hides things from him, and the stress of trying to keep everything from getting worse while also obeying his conscience is clearly fraying him around the edges. Compared to him, characters like Liv and Mama Leone, who condemn everything he does yet add to the brain-shortage problem by creating new zombies at an unmatched rate simply because it "feels good to help people," come across as self-righteous, short-sighted, and naive with no concept of what it means to make hard decisions.]]


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** Despite the show trying to portray them as being in the wrong, in season 4, many fans sympathize more with [[spoiler:Chase than with Liv. While most Chase fans agree that he hasn't made the best decisions, and has become increasingly draconian as the season continues, they point out that he is the ''only'' character looking at the bigger picture and trying to keep the whole situation from exploding. He didn't choose to become ruler of New Seatle, but was forced into it when Carey Gold enacted her coup, yet most of the main characters blame him for everything that's gone wrong. He is forced to make difficult decisions with no good outcomes, whatever he does, while his own inner circle hides things from him, and the stress of trying to keep everything from getting worse while also obeying his conscience is clearly fraying him around the edges.]]
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Related to the above, many fans have trouble rooting for characters like [[spoiler:Liv and Mama Leone. Compared to chase, Liv and Mama Leone, who condemn everything Chase does, are only making things in New Seatle worse by creating new zombies at an unmatched rate simply because it "feels good to help people," never mind the already critical brain shortage. Many feel it is impossible to sympathize with them because they have no concept of what it means to make hard decisions that leave a bad taste in your mouth, and to choose TheNeedsOfTheMany, instead choosing to sit on a moral high-horse and criticize those who are forced to make those decisions, and come across as short-sighted, naive, and self-righteous.]]
8th May '18 10:02:27 AM Erivale
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* RootingForTheEmpire: Despite the show trying to portray them as being in the wrong, in season 4, many fans sympathize more with [[spoiler:Chase than with Liv. While most Chase fans agree that he hasn't made the best decisions, and has become increasingly draconian as the season continues, they point out that he is the ''only'' character looking at the bigger picture and trying to keep the whole situation from exploding. He didn't choose to become ruler of New Seatle, but was forced into it when Carey Gold enacted her coup, yet most of the main characters blame him for everything that's gone wrong. He is forced to make difficult decisions with no good outcomes, whatever he does, while his own inner circle hides things from him, and the stress of trying to keep everything from getting worse while also obeying his conscience is clearly fraying him around the edges. Compared to him, characters like Liv and Mama Leone, who condemn everything he does yet add to the brain-shortage problem by creating new zombies at an unmatched rate simply because it "feels good to help people," come across as self-righteous, short-sighted, and naive with no concept of what it means to make hard decisions.]]
7th May '18 8:38:42 PM Pren
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** Starting in Season 3, and even more in Season 4, the brains' effect on Liz is shamelessly inconsistent and clearly written with nothing but RuleOfFunny in mind, until it starts getting hard to take anything else on the show seriously.
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