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* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the angst that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels.

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* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the angst that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels.novels.
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** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler:The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextProblem because it is not native to this universe and is so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not cause the same problems.]]

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** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler:The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextProblem because it is not isn't native to this universe and is so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not won't cause the same problems.]]



* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the {{Wangst}} that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels.

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* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the {{Wangst}} angst that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels.
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** In ''Dirge'', the reveal about the [[spoiler: true nature of the Pitar: on the outside, they look like extremely attractive humans with unusual skin and hair colours. In fact, the entire species is so narcissistic that they can't stand the thought of allowing other races to exist, so they intended to wipe them all out. However, they realised that they had a very obvious flaw: they produced children at a much slower rate than the other known races, so if they openly waged war on the other races, they wouldn't be able to recover any lost numbers at the same rate as their enemies. Their solution to this was to attack the innocent human colony of Treetrunk, kill everyone and eviscerate the adult women to steal their reproductive organs, which would be modified and used to help make more Pitar babies at a faster rate than normal. When the other races wage war on them, they're forced to wipe the Pitar out- not because they want to, but because the entire race refused to surrender and just kept fighting, even the children. Even the few rare ones captured alive either mentally shut down/go insane, or commit suicide.]]

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** In ''Dirge'', the reveal about the [[spoiler: true nature of the Pitar: on the outside, they look like extremely attractive humans with unusual skin and hair colours. In fact, the entire species is so narcissistic that they can't stand the thought of allowing other races to exist, so they intended to wipe them all out. However, they realised that they had a very obvious flaw: they produced children at a much slower rate than the other known races, so if they openly waged war on the other races, they wouldn't be able to recover any lost numbers at the same rate as their enemies. Their solution to this was to attack the innocent human colony of Treetrunk, kill everyone and eviscerate the adult women to steal their reproductive organs, which would be modified and used to help make more Pitar babies at a faster rate than normal. When the other races wage war on them, they're forced to wipe the Pitar out- out - not because they want to, but because the entire race refused to surrender and just kept fighting, even the children. Even the few rare ones captured alive either mentally shut down/go insane, or commit suicide.]]
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* InferredHolocaust: Better hope nobody lives in the universe which [[spoiler: Flinx dumped the Great Evil into at the end of ''Flinx Transcendent'']]. Also, once [[spoiler: the Great Evil]] has been dealt with, what will happen if [[spoiler: the Xunca decide it's safe to return to their original galaxy and kick out the squatters]]?
** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler: The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextProblem because it is not native this universe and so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not cause the same problems.]]

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* InferredHolocaust: Better hope nobody lives in the universe which [[spoiler: Flinx [[spoiler:Flinx dumped the Great Evil into at the end of ''Flinx Transcendent'']]. Also, once [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Great Evil]] has been dealt with, what will happen if [[spoiler: the [[spoiler:the Xunca decide it's safe to return to their original galaxy and kick out the squatters]]?
** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextProblem because it is not native to this universe and is so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not cause the same problems.]]
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** Tonx Ghin Rakoosa, tran Landgrave of Poyolavomaar, is flat-out insane: brutal even by Tran-ky-ky standards, willing to personally slaughter his own vassals in displaced frustration or in retaliation for a single overheard jest at his expense. Obsessed with possessing and torturing his forced concubine Teeliam Hoh, he repeatedly permits her the HopeSpot of escape ''just'' so he can recapture and "righteously" punish her for flight. The absolute fury of her hatred for him only enhances his pleasure in abusing and humiliating her.
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** Tonx Ghin Rakoosa, tran Landgrave of Poyolavomaar, is flat-out insane: brutal even by Tran-ky-ky standards, willing to personally slaughter his own vassals in displaced frustration or in retaliation for a single overheard jest at his expense. Obsessed with possessing and torturing his forced concubine Teeliam Hoh, he repeatedly permits her the HopeSpot of escape ''just'' so he can recapture and "righteously" punish her for flight. The absolute fury of her hatred for him only enhances his pleasure in abusing and humiliating her.
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** Tonx Ghin Rakossa, Landgrave of Poyolavomaar in ''Mission To Moulokin'', is an insane sadist implied to have murdered his brother for the throne. Obsessed with the capture and abuse of his slave-concubine Teeliam, he launches an invasion of peaceful Moulokin that ends in disaster for his fleet. Abandoned on the open ice of Tran-Ky-Ky by his disgusted surviving troops and wounded by a co-conspirator he'd similarly deserted, he's found by Teeliam, who pays him back in full for years of torture.
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** In ''Dirge'', the reveal about the [[spoiler: true nature of the Pitar: on the outside, they look like extremely attractive humans with unusual skin and hair colours. In fact, the entire species is so narcissistic that they can't stand the thought of allowing other races to exist, so they intended to wipe them all out. However, they realised that they had a very obvious flaw: they produced children at a much slower rate than the other known races, so if they openly waged war on the other races, they wouldn't be able to recover any lost numbers at the same rate as their enemies. Their solution to this was to attack the innocent human colony of Treetrunk, kill everyone and eviscerate the adult women to steal their reproductive organs, which would be modified and used to help make more Pitar babies at a faster rate than normal. When the other races wage war on them, they're forced to wipe the Pitar out- not because they want to, but because the entire race refused to surrender and just kept fighting, even the children.]]

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** In ''Dirge'', the reveal about the [[spoiler: true nature of the Pitar: on the outside, they look like extremely attractive humans with unusual skin and hair colours. In fact, the entire species is so narcissistic that they can't stand the thought of allowing other races to exist, so they intended to wipe them all out. However, they realised that they had a very obvious flaw: they produced children at a much slower rate than the other known races, so if they openly waged war on the other races, they wouldn't be able to recover any lost numbers at the same rate as their enemies. Their solution to this was to attack the innocent human colony of Treetrunk, kill everyone and eviscerate the adult women to steal their reproductive organs, which would be modified and used to help make more Pitar babies at a faster rate than normal. When the other races wage war on them, they're forced to wipe the Pitar out- not because they want to, but because the entire race refused to surrender and just kept fighting, even the children. Even the few rare ones captured alive either mentally shut down/go insane, or commit suicide.]]
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** In ''Dirge'', the reveal about the [[spoiler: true nature of the Pitar: on the outside, they look like extremely attractive humans with unusual skin and hair colours. In fact, the entire species is so narcissistic that they can't stand the thought of allowing other races to exist, so they intended to wipe them all out. However, they realised that they had a very obvious flaw: they produced children at a much slower rate than the other known races, so if they openly waged war on the other races, they wouldn't be able to recover any lost numbers at the same rate as their enemies. Their solution to this was to attack the innocent human colony of Treetrunk, kill everyone and eviscerate the adult women to steal their reproductive organs, which would be modified and used to help make more Pitar babies at a faster rate than normal. When the other races wage war on them, they're forced to wipe the Pitar out- not because they want to, but because the entire race refused to surrender and just kept fighting, even the children.]]
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** Tonx Ghin Rakossa, Landgrave of Poyolavomaar in ''Mission To Moulokin'', is an insane sadist implied to have murdered his brother for the throne. Obsessed with the capture and abuse of his slave-concubine Teeliam, he launches an invasion of peaceful Moulokin that ends in disaster for his fleet. Abandoned on the open ice of Tran-Ky-Ky by his disgusted surviving troops, he's found by Teeliam, who pays him back in full for years of torture.

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** Tonx Ghin Rakossa, Landgrave of Poyolavomaar in ''Mission To Moulokin'', is an insane sadist implied to have murdered his brother for the throne. Obsessed with the capture and abuse of his slave-concubine Teeliam, he launches an invasion of peaceful Moulokin that ends in disaster for his fleet. Abandoned on the open ice of Tran-Ky-Ky by his disgusted surviving troops, troops and wounded by a co-conspirator he'd similarly deserted, he's found by Teeliam, who pays him back in full for years of torture.
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* Tonx Ghin Rakossa, Landgrave of Poyolavomaar in ''Mission To Moulokin'', is an insane sadist implied to have murdered his brother for the throne. Obsessed with the capture and abuse of his slave-concubine Teeliam, he launches an invasion of peaceful Moulokin that ends in disaster for his fleet. Abandoned on the open ice of Tran-Ky-Ky by his disgusted surviving troops, he's found by Teeliam, who pays him back in full for years of torture.

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* ** Tonx Ghin Rakossa, Landgrave of Poyolavomaar in ''Mission To Moulokin'', is an insane sadist implied to have murdered his brother for the throne. Obsessed with the capture and abuse of his slave-concubine Teeliam, he launches an invasion of peaceful Moulokin that ends in disaster for his fleet. Abandoned on the open ice of Tran-Ky-Ky by his disgusted surviving troops, he's found by Teeliam, who pays him back in full for years of torture.
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* Tonx Ghin Rakossa, Landgrave of Poyolavomaar in ''Mission To Moulokin'', is an insane sadist implied to have murdered his brother for the throne. Obsessed with the capture and abuse of his slave-concubine Teeliam, he launches an invasion of peaceful Moulokin that ends in disaster for his fleet. Abandoned on the open ice of Tran-Ky-Ky by his disgusted surviving troops, he's found by Teeliam, who pays him back in full for years of torture.
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** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler: The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextVillain because it is not native this universe and so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not cause the same problems.]]

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** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler: The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextVillain [[OutsideContextProblem because it is not native this universe and so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not cause the same problems.]]

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* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the {{Wangst}} that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels. At times he crosses into Sympathetic Sue territory.

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* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the {{Wangst}} that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels. At times he crosses into Sympathetic Sue territory.
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* InferredHolocaust: Better hope nobody lives in the universe which [[spoiler: Flinx dumped the Great Evil into at the end of ''Flinx Transcendent'']]. Also, once [[spoiler: the Great Evil]] has been dealt with, what will happen if [[spoiler: the Xunca decide it's safe to return to their original galaxy and kick out the squatters?]]

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* InferredHolocaust: Better hope nobody lives in the universe which [[spoiler: Flinx dumped the Great Evil into at the end of ''Flinx Transcendent'']]. Also, once [[spoiler: the Great Evil]] has been dealt with, what will happen if [[spoiler: the Xunca decide it's safe to return to their original galaxy and kick out the squatters?]]squatters]]?



* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the {{Wangst}} that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels. At times he crosses into SympatheticSue territory.

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* TheWoobie: Flinx's alienation from the rest of humanity is played for all the {{Wangst}} that it's worth and then some, especially in the later novels. At times he crosses into SympatheticSue Sympathetic Sue territory.

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** Lord Dominic Estes Rose, a major villain in ''Bloodhype'', is a drug dealer who trades in substances other dealers won't even touch, like the titular bloodhype. Like Challis, he enjoys torture, and responds to news of the escape of a set of captives by crushing some songbirds in a cage. He then attempts to blackmail the [=AAnn=] on Repler by threatening to release his stash of bloodhype in their compound, horribly killing all of them, and manages to provoke the [=AAnn=] commander into declaring him the most disgusting being he's ever seen. His hubris reaches its pinnacle when he attempts to sell humanity out to [[OmnicidalManiac the Vom]] in exchange for his survival, and promptly dies.

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** Lord Dominic Estes Rose, a major villain in ''Bloodhype'', is a drug dealer who trades in substances other dealers won't even touch, like the titular bloodhype. Like Challis, he enjoys torture, and responds to news of the escape of a set of captives by crushing some songbirds in a cage. He then attempts to blackmail the [=AAnn=] on Repler by threatening to release his stash of bloodhype in their compound, horribly killing all of them, and manages to provoke the [=AAnn=] commander into declaring him the most disgusting being he's ever seen. His hubris reaches its pinnacle when he attempts to [[DealWithTheDevil sell humanity out out]] to [[OmnicidalManiac [[EldritchAbomination the Vom]] in exchange for his survival, [[EvilIsNotAToy and promptly dies.dies]].
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** {{Jossed}} on the first point: [[spoiler: The Great Evil is evil [[OutsideContextVillain because it is not native this universe and so unnatural.]] Back in its own natural universe, it will not cause the same problems.]]
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** There's a particularly memorable scene in ''Bloodhype'' when Dominic Rose crushes some exotic birds in a cage, not to mention the description of the effects of the drug itself.

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** There's a particularly memorable scene in ''Bloodhype'' when Dominic Rose crushes some exotic birds in a cage, not to mention plus the description of the effects of the drug itself.
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* InferredHolocaust: Better hope nobody lives in the universe which [[spoiler: Flinx dumped the Great Evil into at the end of ''Flinx Transcendent'']]. Also, once [[spoiler: the Great Evil]] has been dealt with, what will happen if [[spoiler: the Xunca decide it's safe to return to their original galaxy and kick out the squatters?]]

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* NightmareFuel: Plenty throughout the novels.

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* NightmareFuel: Plenty throughout the novels.
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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: Plenty throughout the novels.

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* HighOctaneNightmareFuel: NightmareFuel: Plenty throughout the novels.



** The planet of Midworld could be considered NightmareFuel incarnate given the enormously varied and nasty ways the plant life has to kill people. At times it approaches HighOctaneNightmareFuel.

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** The planet of Midworld could be considered NightmareFuel incarnate given the enormously varied and nasty ways the plant life has to kill people. At times it approaches HighOctaneNightmareFuel.

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** Lord Dominic Estes Rose, a major villain in ''Bloodhype'', is a drug dealer who trades in substances other dealers won't even touch, like the titular bloodhype. Like Challis, he enjoys torture, and responds to news of the escape of a set of captives by crushing some songbirds in a cage. He then attempts to blackmail the [=AAnn=] on Repler by threatening to release his stash of bloodhype in their compound, horribly killing all of them, and manages to provoke the [=AAnn=] commander into declaring him the most disgusting being he's ever seen. His hubris reaches its pinnacle when he attempts to negotiate with [[OmnicidalManiac the Vom]], and promptly dies.

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** Lord Dominic Estes Rose, a major villain in ''Bloodhype'', is a drug dealer who trades in substances other dealers won't even touch, like the titular bloodhype. Like Challis, he enjoys torture, and responds to news of the escape of a set of captives by crushing some songbirds in a cage. He then attempts to blackmail the [=AAnn=] on Repler by threatening to release his stash of bloodhype in their compound, horribly killing all of them, and manages to provoke the [=AAnn=] commander into declaring him the most disgusting being he's ever seen. His hubris reaches its pinnacle when he attempts to negotiate with sell humanity out to [[OmnicidalManiac the Vom]], Vom]] in exchange for his survival, and promptly dies.

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** Conda Challis. During his appearance as the notional villain of ''Orphan Star'', he displays a truly legendary capacity for depravity. Among other things, he attempts to recruit Flinx to create memory-plays in the Janus Jewels, and the "scenes" he wants to see turn the stomach of even a hardened StreetUrchin like Flinx. He loves torture as well, but the best example is what he plans to do with his "adopted daughter", Mahnahmi -- raise her to maturity and then use her as a sex slave. It turns out that he was being telepathically manipulated by her much of the time, which triggers his VillainousBreakdown.

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** Conda Challis. During his appearance as the notional villain of ''Orphan Star'', he displays a truly legendary capacity for depravity. Among other things, he attempts to recruit Flinx to create memory-plays in the Janus Jewels, and the "scenes" he wants to see turn the stomach of even a hardened StreetUrchin like Flinx. He loves torture as well, but the best example is what he plans to do with his "adopted daughter", Mahnahmi -- raise her to maturity and then use her as a sex slave. It turns out that he was being telepathically manipulated by her much of the time, simply to keep him functional as a human being rather than descending into a vile pit of vice, which triggers his VillainousBreakdown.VillainousBreakdown when he discovers the fact.

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** Conda Challis. During his appearance as the notional villain of ''Orphan Star'', he displays a truly legendary capacity for depravity. Among other things, he attempts to recruit Flinx to create memory-plays in the Janus Jewels, and the "scenes" he wants to see turn the stomach of even a hardened StreetUrchin like Flinx. He loves torture as well, but the best example is what he plans to do with his "adopted daughter", Mahnahmi -- raise her to maturity and then use her as a sex slave. It turns out that he was being telepathically manipulated by her much of the time, which triggers his VillainousBreakdown.
** Lord Dominic Estes Rose, a major villain in ''Bloodhype'', is a drug dealer who trades in substances other dealers won't even touch, like the titular bloodhype. Like Challis, he enjoys torture, and responds to news of the escape of a set of captives by crushing some songbirds in a cage. He then attempts to blackmail the [=AAnn=] on Repler by threatening to release his stash of bloodhype in their compound, horribly killing all of them, and manages to provoke the [=AAnn=] commander into declaring him the most disgusting being he's ever seen. His hubris reaches its pinnacle when he attempts to negotiate with [[OmnicidalManiac the Vom]], and promptly dies.

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