History YMMV / HowToTrainYourDragon

25th Feb '17 12:34:20 PM Anddrix
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* HellIsThatNoise: When Stoick and the vikings first go to the island, their arrival is preceded by an odd, high-pitched twittering noise, which abruptly falls silent when they hit the shore. [[NothingIsScarier The effect is profoundly unsettling.]]
** In-Universe example: Vikings are shown to be ready and willing to fight any dragon alive, sometimes very enthusiastically. And yet, every single viking will load their pants the SECOND they hear the shriek of a Night Fury.
31st Dec '16 1:53:49 PM MrMediaGuy2
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!!YMMV for the Book series
* AngstWhatAngst: Hiccup [[OnceAnEpisode once a book]] nearly gets murdered, eaten, drowned, and at worst gets nightmares later in life as an old man. He remains chipper about triumphing over ordinary Viking life, at least until [[WhamEpisode Book 9]].
** Then subverted in Book 12, where Hiccup from the trauma [[spoiler: loses his memory]].
* BrokenBase: Most of the fanbase agrees that [[spoiler: Snotlout has a DyingMomentOfAwesome]], but not everyone agrees whether or not [[spoiler: said moment redeemed for all of Snotlout's horrible actions, including his multiple attempts on Hiccup's life.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Camicazi, for being a BadassAdorable, taking on several grown swordsmen on her own, and acknowledging that Hiccup is "not bad for being a boy". Some fans wish she had been added to the movie.
** People also like Thuggory, the [[OnlySaneMan only sane Viking teen]] who isn't Fishlegs from another land -- the Meathead Island -- who admires Hiccup's ability to talk to a murderous Green Death and rallies the other boys to go with Hiccup's plan. Then he [[spoiler: takes the Slavemark]] to support Hiccup and his friends follow.
** Eggingarde has a following for being a CreepyChild that is scared of a monster in the Slavelands that she doesn't like to talk about because "it's bad for morale". She creeps out Hiccup and the reader with the tale he wheedles out of her about Fishlegs.
* EvilIsSexy: Alvin before he lost his hair got this treatment in-universe. He was quite a charming with the ladies apparently.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** In Book One, Valhallarama punches Hiccup affectionately to show how happy she is that he is alive. The ensuing books reveal that because she is a MissingMom that she and Hiccup have a strained relationship; it comes to a head during Hiccup's [[spoiler: DisneyDeath in Book Twelve]], and Valhallarama can't even [[spoiler: avenge her supposedly dead son on the Island of Tomorrow.]]
** In Book One as well, the Hairy Scary Librarian becomes irritated when Gobber reveals that he's stolen a library book many years ago. Come Book Six, we learn that Hairy ''kills'' any book thief on sight in the library if they don't put their plunders back on the shelf.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Any mention of Grimbeard The Ghastly, as well as his son Hiccup Horrendous Haddock II, Hiccup III's ancestor, after Hiccup learns their tale in Book 8.
*** The Dragon Whisperer's Way in the library. We soon learn why Grimbeard closed the library down after [[spoiler: losing his temper at the Wodensfang, and then at his son Hiccup II.]]
*** Grimbeard's last letter, regretting how "treasure" tore his tribe apart, hence why he hid it. In ''How To Break a Dragon's Heart'' we learn [[spoiler: thanks to the witch]] that Grimbeard also [[spoiler: allowed a jealous son named Thugheart]] tear his tribe apart because of envy for Hiccup II, and [[spoiler: murdered another son thinking Hiccup II was a traitor]].
** In Book Three, Hiccup while a Roman prisoner waits for a week for his father to come rescue him because as far as he can see escape is hopeless and he hopes his father loves him enough to find him. [[spoiler: Stoick arrives with the Bog Burglars chasing him, right after Hiccup has rescued himself, Fishlegs, Toothless and Camicazi.]] In a Book Twelve flashback, long before he met Toothless, Hiccup wrote a plea letter to his mother while a prisoner in the Murderous Mountains, and she wrote, "You are a hero. [[NoSympathy Rescue yourself]]."
* IronWoobie: Valhallarama of the White Arms in ''How to Betray A Dragon's Hero."
* JerkassWoobie:
** Grimbeard the Ghastly.
** Snotlout for some in book 11, when we see him lose everything [[spoiler: and realizing that even if he kills Hiccup, no one will follow him. Hiccup, despite injured and at swordpoint, convinces Snotlout to drop the sword and join him instead.]]
* LoveToHate: Alvin and [[spoiler: his mother]] the witch Excellinor. They are the villains, but boy [[spoiler: are they clever]].
* TheScrappy: Snotlout eventually earns this status in-universe after [[spoiler: he betrays Hiccup one time too many]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** Any person or creature, small or large, has worth and value. And often loyalty wins out over brute strength or charisma.
** People who become leaders often need to make difficult decisions for the good of their tribe. Sometimes these decisions may result in even greater destruction.
** Terrible traditions can change, but change often comes at a great price. In Hiccup's case, [[spoiler: change destroys his whole world.]]
** Giving second chances to people is important, even when they engage in ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. Still, it's not a decision to be made lightly.
** Kind people suffer the most, simply because the world is a cruel place, but kind people also make the world better.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Haddock family tree reveals that Snotlout Jorgenson has a sister named Adelaide, but she never actually appears in the story. It's not known if she's an older sister, or a younger one, if she's questing during the series or [[spoiler:not even born, given Baggybum might have conceived another child after Snotlout dies with the need for an heir.]] We also don't know the relationship she and Hiccup have with Hiccup and Snotlout being CainAndAbel.
* ToyShip: Camicazi and Hiccup are usually shipped together, since they can be BackToBackBadasses and get along well.
* UnintentionallySympathetic:
** The Hairy Scary Librarian. Sure, he is AxCrazy and hoarding all the books in the library for himself and killing anyone who tries to steal said books, but he gives the thieves fair warning to return the books before he slices them up, and gets [[spoiler: sent to the Amber Slavelands because Hiccup frames him for stealing a Murderous Stealth Dragon]]. And when the witch lies to him [[spoiler:about receiving freedom]], he switches sides quite easily [[spoiler: after settling his score with Hiccup]].
** Furious as well. With the TraumaCongaLine that ensued after he lost his older brother [[spoiler: Hiccup II, Hiccup III's ancestor]], you can't blame him for believing that HumansAreBastards. While he doesn't hate [[NothingPersonal Hiccup III personally]], he doesn't want dragons to become slaves again or destroyed by the Dragon Jewel, and in his future vision he sees that Hiccup will become the MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds for dragons.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Grimbeard the Ghastly, Hiccup's ancestor. It's hard to feel compassion for a guy that had no qualms about [[spoiler: enslaving the dragons and people alike after the Wodensfang tried to talk sense into him, abandoning his infant son for being a runt and stealing him from his MamaBear wife, allowing his wife to wander into the wilderness and presumably die of starvation, and then kill said son when the latter was trying to hold a peaceful protest for enslaved dragons. Then instead of fixing the mess he created, he banished the living son that he knew was a traitor, leaving an idiot heir on the throne, and rode off into the sunset after setting booby traps for his treasure and Lost Things]] He dug his own grave the minute that he wouldn't take the [[spoiler: Dragonmark.]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Except that it is, despite the amount of violence and trauma.
* TheWoobie: Ho boy, there are many.
** You've got Hiccup himself, who has to undergo a huge TraumaCongaLine to become the Last Great viking Hero.
** His ancestor Hiccup II also has to count, given he has a ShootTheShaggyDog story and quite a traumatic childhood.
** His friend Fishlegs who is an asthmatic orphan and fellow runt; when he tries to find his ancestors on the island of Berserk, the Berserkers [[spoiler: laugh at him]].
** Stoick the Vast is also a bigger Woobie here than he is in the movies because he is DumbMuscle who [[PapaWolf loves his son]] and does the best that he can as a (mostly) single parent, chief, while not comprehending that the world needs to change and that change has a price. Not to mention that with his son nearly dying once a book he goes through a lot of AdultFear.




!!YMMV for the Book series
* AngstWhatAngst: Hiccup [[OnceAnEpisode once a book]] nearly gets murdered, eaten, drowned, and at worst gets nightmares later in life as an old man. He remains chipper about triumphing over ordinary Viking life, at least until [[WhamEpisode Book 9]].
** Then subverted in Book 12, where Hiccup from the trauma [[spoiler: loses his memory]].
* BrokenBase: Most of the fanbase agrees that [[spoiler: Snotlout has a DyingMomentOfAwesome]], but not everyone agrees whether or not [[spoiler: said moment redeemed for all of Snotlout's horrible actions, including his multiple attempts on Hiccup's life.]]
* EnsembleDarkhorse:
** Camicazi, for being a BadassAdorable, taking on several grown swordsmen on her own, and acknowledging that Hiccup is "not bad for being a boy". Some fans wish she had been added to the movie.
** People also like Thuggory, the [[OnlySaneMan only sane Viking teen]] who isn't Fishlegs from another land -- the Meathead Island -- who admires Hiccup's ability to talk to a murderous Green Death and rallies the other boys to go with Hiccup's plan. Then he [[spoiler: takes the Slavemark]] to support Hiccup and his friends follow.
** Eggingarde has a following for being a CreepyChild that is scared of a monster in the Slavelands that she doesn't like to talk about because "it's bad for morale". She creeps out Hiccup and the reader with the tale he wheedles out of her about Fishlegs.
* EvilIsSexy: Alvin before he lost his hair got this treatment in-universe. He was quite a charming with the ladies apparently.
* FunnyAneurysmMoment:
** In Book One, Valhallarama punches Hiccup affectionately to show how happy she is that he is alive. The ensuing books reveal that because she is a MissingMom that she and Hiccup have a strained relationship; it comes to a head during Hiccup's [[spoiler: DisneyDeath in Book Twelve]], and Valhallarama can't even [[spoiler: avenge her supposedly dead son on the Island of Tomorrow.]]
** In Book One as well, the Hairy Scary Librarian becomes irritated when Gobber reveals that he's stolen a library book many years ago. Come Book Six, we learn that Hairy ''kills'' any book thief on sight in the library if they don't put their plunders back on the shelf.
* HarsherInHindsight:
** Any mention of Grimbeard The Ghastly, as well as his son Hiccup Horrendous Haddock II, Hiccup III's ancestor, after Hiccup learns their tale in Book 8.
*** The Dragon Whisperer's Way in the library. We soon learn why Grimbeard closed the library down after [[spoiler: losing his temper at the Wodensfang, and then at his son Hiccup II.]]
*** Grimbeard's last letter, regretting how "treasure" tore his tribe apart, hence why he hid it. In ''How To Break a Dragon's Heart'' we learn [[spoiler: thanks to the witch]] that Grimbeard also [[spoiler: allowed a jealous son named Thugheart]] tear his tribe apart because of envy for Hiccup II, and [[spoiler: murdered another son thinking Hiccup II was a traitor]].
** In Book Three, Hiccup while a Roman prisoner waits for a week for his father to come rescue him because as far as he can see escape is hopeless and he hopes his father loves him enough to find him. [[spoiler: Stoick arrives with the Bog Burglars chasing him, right after Hiccup has rescued himself, Fishlegs, Toothless and Camicazi.]] In a Book Twelve flashback, long before he met Toothless, Hiccup wrote a plea letter to his mother while a prisoner in the Murderous Mountains, and she wrote, "You are a hero. [[NoSympathy Rescue yourself]]."
* IronWoobie: Valhallarama of the White Arms in ''How to Betray A Dragon's Hero."
* JerkassWoobie:
** Grimbeard the Ghastly.
** Snotlout for some in book 11, when we see him lose everything [[spoiler: and realizing that even if he kills Hiccup, no one will follow him. Hiccup, despite injured and at swordpoint, convinces Snotlout to drop the sword and join him instead.]]
* LoveToHate: Alvin and [[spoiler: his mother]] the witch Excellinor. They are the villains, but boy [[spoiler: are they clever]].
* TheScrappy: Snotlout eventually earns this status in-universe after [[spoiler: he betrays Hiccup one time too many]].
* SomeAnvilsNeedToBeDropped:
** Any person or creature, small or large, has worth and value. And often loyalty wins out over brute strength or charisma.
** People who become leaders often need to make difficult decisions for the good of their tribe. Sometimes these decisions may result in even greater destruction.
** Terrible traditions can change, but change often comes at a great price. In Hiccup's case, [[spoiler: change destroys his whole world.]]
** Giving second chances to people is important, even when they engage in ChronicBackstabbingDisorder. Still, it's not a decision to be made lightly.
** Kind people suffer the most, simply because the world is a cruel place, but kind people also make the world better.
* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Haddock family tree reveals that Snotlout Jorgenson has a sister named Adelaide, but she never actually appears in the story. It's not known if she's an older sister, or a younger one, if she's questing during the series or [[spoiler:not even born, given Baggybum might have conceived another child after Snotlout dies with the need for an heir.]] We also don't know the relationship she and Hiccup have with Hiccup and Snotlout being CainAndAbel.
* ToyShip: Camicazi and Hiccup are usually shipped together, since they can be BackToBackBadasses and get along well.
* UnintentionallySympathetic:
** The Hairy Scary Librarian. Sure, he is AxCrazy and hoarding all the books in the library for himself and killing anyone who tries to steal said books, but he gives the thieves fair warning to return the books before he slices them up, and gets [[spoiler: sent to the Amber Slavelands because Hiccup frames him for stealing a Murderous Stealth Dragon]]. And when the witch lies to him [[spoiler:about receiving freedom]], he switches sides quite easily [[spoiler: after settling his score with Hiccup]].
** Furious as well. With the TraumaCongaLine that ensued after he lost his older brother [[spoiler: Hiccup II, Hiccup III's ancestor]], you can't blame him for believing that HumansAreBastards. While he doesn't hate [[NothingPersonal Hiccup III personally]], he doesn't want dragons to become slaves again or destroyed by the Dragon Jewel, and in his future vision he sees that Hiccup will become the MikeNelsonDestroyerOfWorlds for dragons.
* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: Grimbeard the Ghastly, Hiccup's ancestor. It's hard to feel compassion for a guy that had no qualms about [[spoiler: enslaving the dragons and people alike after the Wodensfang tried to talk sense into him, abandoning his infant son for being a runt and stealing him from his MamaBear wife, allowing his wife to wander into the wilderness and presumably die of starvation, and then kill said son when the latter was trying to hold a peaceful protest for enslaved dragons. Then instead of fixing the mess he created, he banished the living son that he knew was a traitor, leaving an idiot heir on the throne, and rode off into the sunset after setting booby traps for his treasure and Lost Things]] He dug his own grave the minute that he wouldn't take the [[spoiler: Dragonmark.]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsForKids: Except that it is, despite the amount of violence and trauma.
* TheWoobie: Ho boy, there are many.
** You've got Hiccup himself, who has to undergo a huge TraumaCongaLine to become the Last Great viking Hero.
** His ancestor Hiccup II also has to count, given he has a ShootTheShaggyDog story and quite a traumatic childhood.
** His friend Fishlegs who is an asthmatic orphan and fellow runt; when he tries to find his ancestors on the island of Berserk, the Berserkers [[spoiler: laugh at him]].
** Stoick the Vast is also a bigger Woobie here than he is in the movies because he is DumbMuscle who [[PapaWolf loves his son]] and does the best that he can as a (mostly) single parent, chief, while not comprehending that the world needs to change and that change has a price. Not to mention that with his son nearly dying once a book he goes through a lot of AdultFear.



9th Oct '16 10:04:17 AM Mullon
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Ruffnut. Just ask [[ImageBoards /co/]]!

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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Ruffnut. Just ask [[ImageBoards [[Website/FourChan /co/]]!
25th Sep '16 5:07:20 PM nombretomado
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** It came out the same year as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' and got overshadowed come award season. To the very least, it ''did'' come out on top for the Annie Awards (to the pleasure of its fans and disdain of Pixar fanboys). This has sparked some ''ugly controversy'', [[SoreLoser since Disney and Pixar withdrew from the International Animated Film Association]]. They select the Annie Award nominees and winners, accusing DreamWorks of corruption, [[{{Hypocrite}} yet failing to appreciate HTTYD was snubbed by many others in favor of ''Toy Story 3'']].

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** It came out the same year as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' and got overshadowed come award season. To the very least, it ''did'' come out on top for the Annie Awards (to the pleasure of its fans and disdain of Pixar fanboys). This has sparked some ''ugly controversy'', [[SoreLoser since Disney and Pixar withdrew from the International Animated Film Association]]. They select the Annie Award nominees and winners, accusing DreamWorks Creator/DreamWorks of corruption, [[{{Hypocrite}} yet failing to appreciate HTTYD was snubbed by many others in favor of ''Toy Story 3'']].
17th Sep '16 3:34:47 AM dieseldragons
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** It came out the same year as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' and got overshadowed come award season. To the very least, it ''did'' come out on top for the Annie Awards (to the pleasure of its fans and disdain of Pixar fanboys).

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** It came out the same year as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' and got overshadowed come award season. To the very least, it ''did'' come out on top for the Annie Awards (to the pleasure of its fans and disdain of Pixar fanboys). This has sparked some ''ugly controversy'', [[SoreLoser since Disney and Pixar withdrew from the International Animated Film Association]]. They select the Annie Award nominees and winners, accusing DreamWorks of corruption, [[{{Hypocrite}} yet failing to appreciate HTTYD was snubbed by many others in favor of ''Toy Story 3'']].
2nd Sep '16 8:14:46 PM Jayalaw
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** Eggingarde has a following for being a CreepyChild that is scared of a monster in the Slavelands that she doesn't like to talk about because "it's bad for morale". She creeps out Hiccup and the reader with the tale he wheedles out of her about Fishlegs.



** Any mention of Grimbeard The Ghastly, as well as his son Hiccup Horrendous Haddock II, Hiccup III's ancestor.

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** Any mention of Grimbeard The Ghastly, as well as his son Hiccup Horrendous Haddock II, Hiccup III's ancestor.ancestor, after Hiccup learns their tale in Book 8.



* TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter: The Haddock family tree reveals that Snotlout Jorgenson has a sister named Adelaide, but she never actually appears in the story. It's not known if she's an older sister, or a younger one, if she's questing during the series or [[spoiler:not even born, given Baggybum might have conceived another child after Snotlout dies with the need for an heir.]] We also don't know the relationship she and Hiccup have with Hiccup and Snotlout being CainAndAbel.



* BaseBreaker: Your mileage will definitely vary on whether or not you think Stoick the Vast is an [[AbusiveParents Abusive Father]].

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter: Your mileage will definitely vary on whether or not you think Stoick the Vast is an [[AbusiveParents Abusive Father]].
28th Aug '16 12:18:17 PM Lancelot07
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* BrokenBase: Hiccup and Astrid hooking up at the end is seen as either believable or coming across as a TokenRomance.

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* BrokenBase: Hiccup and Astrid hooking up returning Hiccup's feelings at the end is seen as either believable caused a small divide on whether it was well built-up for or coming across as if it came a TokenRomance.little out of nowhere.
24th Jul '16 9:42:16 AM Julia1984
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%%If there is a trope for "something supposed to be funny comes across as serious/scary/the opposite of funny", please change.
* {{Narm}}: [[InvertedTrope Completely inverted]] -- according to the dvd commentary, the scene where Astrid interrogates Hiccup about his LevelGrinding before finding Toothless was supposed to be funny. The writers found the scene hilarious, but test audiences found Astrid showing up a few feet from where the dragon was hidden, about to discover Hiccup's secret, agonizingly suspenseful (which, the writers admit, was a good thing).
13th Jul '16 5:14:18 PM Josef5678
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* AwardSnub: It came out the same year as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' and got overshadowed come award season. To the very least, it ''did'' come out on top for the Annie Awards (to the pleasure of its fans and disdain of Pixar fanboys).

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* AwardSnub: AwardSnub:
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It came out the same year as ''WesternAnimation/ToyStory3'' and got overshadowed come award season. To the very least, it ''did'' come out on top for the Annie Awards (to the pleasure of its fans and disdain of Pixar fanboys).
26th Jun '16 1:09:03 AM BrightLight
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* {{Earworm}}: Jonsi' Sticks and Stones that plays at the end of the film is a song that won't be leaving your head anytime soon - it's addictive!

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* {{Earworm}}: {{EarWorm}}: Jonsi' Sticks and Stones that plays at the end of the film is a song that won't be leaving your head anytime soon - it's addictive!



* GrowingTheBeard: Widely considered the point where Dreamworks did this, and the moment when people started taking them more seriously than they had in previous years.



* SpiritualLicensee: Some people consider Hiccup to be the best depiction of Franchise/SpiderMan every put to film.
** Test Drive, strangely enough. There's just so much adrenaline and emotion that it gets kind of overwhelming.



* WinTheCrowd: Before this film, Dreamworks animated movies were typically thought of as a very distant third behind Pixar and Disney, overloaded with pop culture references and lowbrow gags. This is where it really started to be considered as a worthy contender next to those two.
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