History YMMV / House

25th Nov '16 8:07:49 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** Thirteen. The fact that she is bisexual helps too.

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** Thirteen. The fact that she is canonically bisexual helps too.
14th Sep '16 11:11:17 PM Upgrader
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** Foreman's and House's may have been helping Chase [[spoiler:cover up president Dibala's murder]].

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** *** Foreman's and House's may have been helping Chase [[spoiler:cover up president Dibala's murder]].



** Season 3 was this due to DeusAngstMachina and {{Wangst}} during the Tritter arc, the original team's resignations, and the start of the [[NotSoDifferent Foreman is House arc]].
** Season 4 broke with the old team but most fans were willing to give Thirteen, Kutner, and Taub the benefit of the doubt, at least temporarily.
** Season 5 due to an overdue of poorly done romance arcs but some fans also had issues.
** Season 6 has largely been considered a return to form.
** Season 7 had issues due to the [[RomanticPlotTumor Huddy relationship]] and Thirteen's temporary absence & replacement with Masters.

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** Season 3 was this due to DeusAngstMachina and {{Wangst}} during the Tritter arc, the original team's resignations, splitting up, and the start of the [[NotSoDifferent Foreman is House arc]].
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** Season 4 broke with the old team but most While it's relatively difficuly to find a consensus, many fans were willing to give Thirteen, Kutner, and Taub will agree that the benefit latter third of the doubt, at least temporarily.
** Season 5 due to an overdue of poorly done romance arcs but some fans also had issues.
** Season 6 has largely been considered
series was a return to form.
** Season 7 had
step down, with issues due to like Cameron leaving, the [[RomanticPlotTumor Huddy relationship]] relationship]], Cuddy not returning for Season 8, and Thirteen's temporary absence & replacement with Masters.
2nd Sep '16 5:45:36 PM annette12
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* JumpTheShark: The moment where House crashes his car into Cuddy's living room, was the beginning of the end.



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%%* MarySue: Thirteen and Masters. Cameron had hints of this, especially in seasons 2 & 3.
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1st Sep '16 2:24:30 PM ChaoticNovelist
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* MarySue: Thirteen and Masters. Cameron had hints of this, especially in seasons 2 & 3.

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MarySue: Thirteen and Masters. Cameron had hints of this, especially in seasons 2 & 3.3.
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*** Sarcoidosis is approaching lupus status, too.
*** Don't forget Amyloidosis.

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*** Sarcoidosis is approaching lupus status, too.
*** Don't forget
too, and so is Amyloidosis.



** Masters seems to have had hers in her final episode, "The Last Temptation": [[spoiler:A 16-year old girl doesn't want to let them amputate her cancerous arm (yet) so she can beat the youngest person to sail solo around the world record, but Masters wants her to do it immediately, so she drugs her, sending her into cardiac arrest, and then manipulates the parents into signing over their consent, so that the girl WAKES UP WITHOUT AN ARM and is understandably horrified]]. And [[WhatTheHellHero oddly]], this is presented as being more or less the right decision, and House doesn't object, despite the fact that she [[CompletelyMissingThePoint got the idea to do it]] from Wilson's story about Stacy and House and his leg. She realized the crossing herself and couldn't accept it, looking like she wanted to throw up afterwards and decided to give up on the internship because of it.

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** Masters seems to have had hers in her final episode, "The Last Temptation": [[spoiler:A 16-year old girl doesn't want to let them amputate her cancerous arm (yet) so she can beat the youngest person to sail solo around the world record, but Masters wants her to do it immediately, so she drugs her, sending her into cardiac arrest, and then manipulates the parents into signing over their consent, so that the girl WAKES UP WITHOUT AN ARM and is understandably horrified]]. And [[WhatTheHellHero oddly]], this This is presented as being more or less the right decision, and House doesn't object, despite the fact that she [[CompletelyMissingThePoint got the idea to do it]] it from Wilson's story about Stacy and House and his leg. She realized the crossing herself and couldn't accept it, looking like she wanted to throw up afterwards and decided to give up on the internship because of it.



*** It's not enough for House to [[spoiler: cure a patient just so the man will give him money to refund his diagnostics department so House could get his offices back]], and to do so, the man had to [[spoiler: move his factories to China, resulting in hundreds of jobs lost]]. No, House also decides to [[spoiler: buy $5000 in stock options from the man's company before the move, resulting in a $200,000 net gain for House, which he simply pockets]]. Yes, we all know House is a selfish ManipulativeBastard, but to [[spoiler: ruin the lives of hundreds just so he could have his offices back ''and'' pocket 200 grand he doesn't even need]] pushes House from mere {{Jerkass}} to full-on DiabolicalMastermind territory.
* OlderThanYouThink: Many fans have accused the extremely similar anime ''Manga/BlackJack'' of ripping off the premise of ''House''. In fact, the original ''Black Jack'' manga predates ''House'' by about thirty years.
** Oddly enough, there's a commercial break of sorts in Japan who is a CrossOver between those two series. And with their respective voice actors reprising their roles.
* ReplacementScrappy: Lucas in early Season 5.

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*** ** It's not enough for House to [[spoiler: cure a patient just so the man will give him money to refund his diagnostics department so House could get his offices back]], and to do so, the man had to [[spoiler: move his factories to China, resulting in hundreds of jobs lost]]. No, House also decides to [[spoiler: buy $5000 in stock options from the man's company before the move, resulting in a $200,000 net gain for House, which he simply pockets]]. Yes, we all know House is a selfish ManipulativeBastard, but to [[spoiler: ruin the lives of hundreds just so he could have his offices back ''and'' pocket 200 grand he doesn't even need]] pushes House from mere {{Jerkass}} to full-on DiabolicalMastermind territory.
* OlderThanYouThink: Many fans have accused the extremely similar anime ''Manga/BlackJack'' of ripping off the premise of ''House''. In fact, the original ''Black Jack'' manga predates ''House'' by about thirty years.
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years. Oddly enough, there's a commercial break of sorts in Japan who is a CrossOver between those two series. And series, and with their respective voice actors reprising their roles.
* ReplacementScrappy: ReplacementScrappy:
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Lucas in early Season 5.



---> '''House:''' Raw food. If only our ancestors had mastered the secret of ''fire''. Babies need fat, proteins, calories. Less important, sprouts and hemp. Starving babies is ''[[{{understatement}} bad]]''. Not to mention ''illegal'' in many cultures. I'm having her admitted.

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---> '''House:''' Raw food. If only our ancestors had mastered the secret of ''fire''. Babies need fat, proteins, calories. Less important, sprouts and hemp. Starving babies is ''[[{{understatement}} bad]]''.''bad''. Not to mention ''illegal'' in many cultures. I'm having her admitted.



* StrangledByTheRedString: Foreman and Thirteen go from polite but distant colleagues to a committed relationship. Over the space of a couple episodes.

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* StrangledByTheRedString: Foreman and Thirteen go from polite but distant colleagues to a committed relationship. Over relationship over the space of a couple episodes.



* {{Wangst}}: House during the Tritter arc. It gets really hard to stomach towards the end of the arc, when House keeps playing the victim after he's committed multiple felonies in the name of standing on principle, and refused Tritter's entirely reasonable offer for a plea bargain.

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* {{Wangst}}: {{Wangst}}:
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House during the Tritter arc. It gets really hard to stomach towards the end of the arc, when House keeps playing the victim after he's committed multiple felonies in the name of standing on principle, and refused Tritter's entirely reasonable offer for a plea bargain.



** Wilson gets a special mention: divorced three times, temporarily homeless, his assets get frozen while attempting to keep House out of jail, he suffers from depression, his [[spoiler:girlfriend, Amber, dies,]] and in Season 5 it's revealed that his long-lost, homeless brother that is mentioned in Season 1 is also [[spoiler:schizophrenic and that he blames himself for him running away]]. Added to that his best friend is a socially inept, merciless asshole. Plus those eyes...
*** Even worse now that [[spoiler: he has cancer.]] They never give him a break.

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** Wilson gets a special mention: divorced three times, temporarily homeless, his assets get frozen while attempting to keep House out of jail, he suffers from depression, his [[spoiler:girlfriend, Amber, dies,]] and in Season 5 it's revealed that his long-lost, homeless brother that is mentioned in Season 1 is also [[spoiler:schizophrenic and that he blames himself for him running away]]. Added to that his best friend is a socially inept, merciless asshole. Plus those eyes...
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eyes...Even worse now that [[spoiler: he has cancer.]] They never give him a break.
1st Sep '16 2:04:40 PM ChaoticNovelist
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** Reactions are pretty much split down the middle for a lot of fans when it comes to [[spoiler:Kutner killing himself]]. It was either a [[WhamEpisode great episode]] or a terrible episode.

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** Reactions are pretty much split down the middle for a lot of fans when it comes to [[spoiler:Kutner killing himself]]. It was either a [[WhamEpisode great episode]] or a terrible episode.



* CreatorsPet:
** Foreman is on the fast track to this. Nobody hates him yet, but fans seem to be losing their patience over the whole [[NotSoDifferent "Foreman is House"]] B story.
** Cameron in the earlier seasons, for being preachy and obnoxious.
** Thirteen, for having the worst characteristics of Cameron, and being used as a MsFanservice with little personality. Getting extra screentime because [[spoiler:she has Huntington's]] didn't exactly endear her to fans either.
** Masters was a huge SpotlightStealingSquad during her Season 7 appearances.

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* CreatorsPet:
** Foreman is on the fast track to this. Nobody hates him yet, but fans seem to be losing their patience over the whole [[NotSoDifferent "Foreman is House"]] B story.
** Cameron in the earlier seasons, for being preachy and obnoxious.
** Thirteen, for having the worst characteristics of Cameron, and being used as a MsFanservice with little personality. Getting extra screentime because [[spoiler:she has Huntington's]] didn't exactly endear her to fans either.
**
CreatorsPet: Masters was a huge SpotlightStealingSquad during her Season 7 appearances.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: House is the ''[[UrExample ultimate]]'' example of DrJerk while one of the ongoing arcs of the series is that he is an incredibly toxic influence on anybody who has to deal with him for an extended period of time (which turns ''everybody else in the cast'' into a DrJerk, and a seriously hostile and backstabbing one at that in various examples), and while many people are saved by them there is the InferredHolocaust of how much their lives will be destroyed (in the long or short term) by the secrets that House forces them to disclose... after some time it may be pretty hard to watch.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: House is the ''[[UrExample ultimate]]'' example a paragon of DrJerk while one of the ongoing arcs of the series is that he is an incredibly toxic influence on anybody who has to deal with him for an extended period of time (which turns ''everybody else in the cast'' into a DrJerk, and a seriously hostile and backstabbing one at that in various examples), and while many people are saved by them there is the InferredHolocaust of how much their lives will be destroyed (in the long or short term) by the secrets that House forces them to disclose... after some time it may be pretty hard to watch.



** A big and often used is if you are a genius who other people have to depend on, you can basically be a dick to everyone without many consequences. Though this is more of a TruthInTelevision variety because often those who don't have to deal with you constantly will let you get away with being an ass if you are good for the bottom line.
*** This particular trope is often subverted too though; House will often intentionally behave like even more of a complete and utter dick than his own natural personality would be, simply because he can. While often it's played for laughs, his cavalier/antisocial/sociopathic tendencies have more than once lead to a patient ending up with lifelong injuries that wouldn't have happened if everyone had just done their job right the first time, at which points he usually feels legitimate remorse and sometimes contemplates (however briefly) if he should really keep doing things that way.
*** Also, a nod to realism early on, when Cuddy mentions that she got him for a steal, salary-wise, because his rampant JerkAss tendencies meant that no one else would even hire him.

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** A big and often used is if you are a genius who other people have to depend on, you can basically be a dick to everyone without many consequences. Though this is more of a TruthInTelevision variety because often those who don't have to deal with you constantly will let you get away with being an ass if you are good for the bottom line.
*** This particular trope
line. However, the verse Aesop is often subverted too though; also given which is much more family friendly. To wit:
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House will often intentionally behave like even more of a complete and utter dick than his own natural personality would be, simply because he can. While often it's played for laughs, his cavalier/antisocial/sociopathic tendencies have more than once lead to a patient ending up with lifelong injuries that wouldn't have happened if everyone had just done their job right the first time, at which points he usually feels legitimate remorse and sometimes contemplates (however briefly) if he should really keep doing things that way.
*** Also, a 2 nod to realism early on, when Cuddy mentions that she got him for a steal, salary-wise, because his rampant JerkAss tendencies meant that no one else would even ever hire him.



** "Oh no, the death cat is attacking you, you're gonna die," said sarcastically to [[spoiler:Kutner two episodes before his suicide.]]
*** Six episodes before that he described himself as [[spoiler:exactly the sort of person who would not commit suicide.]]

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** "Oh no, the death cat is attacking you, you're gonna die," said sarcastically to [[spoiler:Kutner two episodes before his suicide.]]
***
]] Six episodes before that previously, he described himself as [[spoiler:exactly the sort of person who would not commit suicide.]]



**In Season 4, when a patient is seeing dead people everywhere, Amber makes a comment about seeing ghosts. For the rest of the series [[spoiler: after she dies, she becomes "Gazoo" to House]].
--> If the ghost of a many you killed doesn't screw with your head, there's something wrong with your head.



* In Season 4, when a patient is seeing dead people everywhere, Amber makes a comment about seeing ghosts. For the rest of the series [[spoiler: after she dies, she becomes "Gazoo" to House]].
--> If the ghost of a many you killed doesn't screw with your head, there's something wrong with your head.



** Tritter in Season 3. For... pretty much the exact same reasons as Vogler. Creating an ArcVillain was seen as pretty much unnecessary, he was a bit cartoonishly evil, and the attempts to play him up as "House, but as a cop" just wound up seeming forced. His arc is pretty much universally disliked.
* SeasonalRot: [[RomanticPlotTumor Season]] [[StrangledByTheRedString 5]] is [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot the]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad most]] [[VerySpecialEpisode notable]] series example, but some fans also had issues with [[DeusAngstMachina Season 3]]. Fortunately, Season 6 has largely been considered a return to form, and while Season 4 broke with the old team, most fans were willing to give Thirteen, Kutner, and Taub the benefit of the doubt, at least temporarily.

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** Tritter in Season 3. For... pretty much the exact same reasons as Vogler. Creating an ArcVillain was seen as pretty much as unnecessary, he was a bit cartoonishly evil, and the attempts to play him up as "House, but as a cop" just wound up seeming forced. His arc is pretty much universally disliked.
* SeasonalRot: [[RomanticPlotTumor Season]] [[StrangledByTheRedString 5]] ** Foreman is [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot the]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad most]] [[VerySpecialEpisode notable]] series example, but some on the fast track to this due to fans also had issues losing their patience over the whole [[NotSoDifferent "Foreman is House"]] B story.
** Cameron in the earlier seasons, for being preachy and obnoxious.
** Thirteen, for having the worst characteristics of Cameron, and being used as a MsFanservice
with [[DeusAngstMachina Season 3]]. Fortunately, Season 6 little personality. Getting extra screentime because [[spoiler:she has largely been considered a return Huntington's]] didn't exactly endear her to form, fans either.
* SeasonalRot:
**Season 3 was this due to DeusAngstMachina
and while Season {{Wangst}} during the Tritter arc, the original team's resignations, and the start of the [[NotSoDifferent Foreman is House arc]].
**Season
4 broke with the old team, team but most fans were willing to give Thirteen, Kutner, and Taub the benefit of the doubt, at least temporarily.temporarily.
** Season 5 due to an overdue of poorly done romance arcs but some fans also had issues.
** Season 6 has largely been considered a return to form.



** Season 3 was this due to DeusAngstMachina and {{Wangst}} during the Tritter arc, the original team's resignations, and the start of the [[NotSoDifferent Foreman is House arc]].
31st Jul '16 3:38:38 PM ApeAccount
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** Park, to a lesser extent; while quite a few fans consider her to be absolutely hilarious and easily the best thing about Season 8, others resent her for swallowing up all the character development episodes in the season, meaning that Adams ends up falling into the background once Park joins the cast.

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** Park, to a lesser extent; while quite a few fans consider her to be absolutely hilarious and easily the best thing about Season 8, others resent her for swallowing up all the character development episodes in the season, meaning that Adams ends up falling into the background once Park joins the cast. For some she falls in the category of loveably adorable, for others she fails to live up to the dramatic quality standard set by the rest of the show's characters.
30th Jul '16 5:35:38 PM supermerlin100
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is House a soulless {{Jerkass}} misanthrope, or a doctor profoundly committed to medical ethics beyond all reason?
** "Committed to medical ethics beyond all reason" must mean "committed to saving patients' lives, [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight regardless of medical or other conventional forms of ethics]]." The latter is very possible, but House violates medical ethics whenever he wants to. The positive spin on it is that he cares [[UsefulNotes/EthicalHedonism about good results rather than how they are achieved.]] One can view his ethics as better than conventional medical ethics, but he definitely doesn't care about what are viewed as "medical ethics."
*** If medical ethics aren't about preserving human life, then they aren't very ethical.
*** Then conventional medical ethics aren't very ethical. Things like breaking into patients' homes to find causes for their illnesses, making patients crash because you believe they eventually will and you want to get to the next treatment, etc., are against conventional medical ethics. [[UsefulNotes/EthicalHedonism There are good ways]] [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight to justify House's actions towards patients]], but they aren't in line with what are viewed as medical ethics. That's why Cuddy has said she gets the world's best doctor cheaply, in that House would have a hard time being employed in most hospitals.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: Is House a soulless {{Jerkass}} misanthrope, who's only in it for the puzzle, or a doctor profoundly committed to saving his patients regardless of the law, traditional medical ethics beyond all reason?
** "Committed to medical ethics beyond all reason" must mean "committed to saving patients' lives, [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight regardless of medical
or other conventional forms of ethics]]." The latter is very possible, but House violates medical ethics whenever he wants to. The positive spin on it is that he cares [[UsefulNotes/EthicalHedonism about good results rather than how they are achieved.]] One can view his ethics as better than conventional medical ethics, but he definitely doesn't care about what are viewed as "medical ethics."
*** If medical ethics aren't about preserving human life, then they aren't very ethical.
*** Then conventional medical ethics aren't very ethical. Things like breaking into patients' homes to find causes for their illnesses, making patients crash because you believe they eventually will and you want to get to the next treatment, etc., are against conventional medical ethics. [[UsefulNotes/EthicalHedonism There are good ways]] [[ScrewTheRulesImDoingWhatsRight to justify House's actions towards patients]], but they aren't in line with what are viewed as medical ethics. That's why Cuddy has said she gets the world's best doctor cheaply, in that House would have a hard time being employed in most hospitals.
common sense?
19th Jul '16 2:46:04 AM AdamC
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Added DiffLines:

** During the Volger arc, House makes a speech about Volger's business practices, and how the repeatedly uses underhanded tactics to avoid dropping prices on his medications, making sure they remain as high-priced as possible. While this has always been a commonplace occurrence in pharmaceuticals, arbitrary price-hiking of vital medication became an especially hot-button issue in 2015, when a company increased the cost of an HIV-treating medicine from $13 a pill to $750 a pill. With the national scandal that arose from the action and Martin Shkreli (the man responsible) being called "The Most Hated Man In America" for the action, it's rather hard to see House in the wrong for refusing to go along with Vogler's speech.
16th Jul '16 3:36:59 AM Anddrix
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* BaseBreaker:

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* BaseBreaker: BaseBreakingCharacter:
2nd Jul '16 5:32:19 PM AdamC
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*** The same episode also contains a scene where a patient attempted a self-circumcision with a pair of box-cutters. Included a GoryDiscretionShot but the description and the fact that even ''House'' was horrified was enough to invoke this reaction in the audience.



** Season 7: "Jan Martin just won first place in the Chili Cook-off. Congratulations, Jan! That cocoa powder really did it!" Also counts as a MoodWhiplash, because the announcement happens right after an intense emotional scene between House and Thirteen.

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** Season 7: "Jan Martin just won first place in the Chili Cook-off. Congratulations, Jan! That cocoa powder really did it!" Also counts as a MoodWhiplash, because the announcement happens right after an intense emotional scene between House and Thirteen.Thirteen
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