History YMMV / Homeland

8th Jul '16 8:09:57 PM Angeldeb82
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* SeasonalRot: A common view among the fans is that the series' writing quality gradually declined after a universally celebrated season 1. Season 4 is widely noted as an attempt by the writers to turn things back around, though how well they did that is definitely up to discussion.


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* SeasonalRot: A common view among the fans is that the series' writing quality gradually declined after a universally celebrated season 1. Season 4 is widely noted as an attempt by the writers to turn things back around, though how well they did that is definitely up to discussion.
8th Jul '16 8:09:06 PM Angeldeb82
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** Season 2. Early Season 3 had an intentional BaseBreaker as [[spoiler: Saul seemed to be pitted against Carrie, when Carrie had been [[TheHero The (Anti)Hero]] and Saul had been the [[NiceGuy nicest character on the show]]. Some fans questioned Saul's morality, and others Carrie's sanity (and some certainly questioned both). It turned out that Saul was moral, Carrie was sane, and they were working together in a BatmanGambit to fool the Iranians.]] Viewers now have a different thing to question, whether they should have been kept out of the loop for almost 4 episodes.

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** Season 2. Early Season 3 had an intentional BaseBreaker as [[spoiler: Saul seemed to be pitted against Carrie, when Carrie had been [[TheHero The (Anti)Hero]] and Saul had been the [[NiceGuy nicest character on the show]]. Some fans questioned Saul's morality, and others Carrie's sanity (and some certainly questioned both). It turned out that Saul was moral, Carrie was sane, and they were working together in a BatmanGambit to fool the Iranians.]] Iranians]]. Viewers now have a different thing to question, whether they should have been kept out of the loop for almost 4 episodes.



* NightmareFuel: Of all the horrible scenes that have happened in this show, an overwhelming chunk of audience agree that Carrie's near-drowning her own baby terrifies them the most. Does she mean it? Is she just careless? Or is it an illusion entirely? We'll never find out.



* NightmareFuel: Of all the horrible scenes that have happened in this show, an overwhelming chunk of audience agree that Carrie's near-drowning her own baby terrifies them the most. Does she mean it? Is she just careless? Or is it an illusion entirely? We'll never find out.
8th Jul '16 8:08:07 PM Angeldeb82
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* OlderThanYouThink: The concept of a homecoming American MIA convert to Islam has been explored much earlier in 2006, in Literature/JohnWells' spy novel series. Coincidentally, the author of the series is a friend of Howard Gordon's. In fact, Saul Berenson is named after the author.

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* OlderThanYouThink: OlderThanTheyThink: The concept of a homecoming American MIA convert to Islam has been explored much earlier in 2006, in Literature/JohnWells' spy novel series. Coincidentally, the author of the series is a friend of Howard Gordon's. In fact, Saul Berenson is named after the author.



* TheUntwist: Averted and inverted at the end of Season 2. [[spoiler: Abu Nazir is dead, which in Estes's eyes, makes Brody expendable. Estes orders Quinn to take out Brody. Quinn stands down, arguing that Brody and Carrie did lead them to Abu Nazir. So Brody lives another day, despite the buildup that had taken place in prior episodes. Estes lets Saul go, thus resolving the plot thread where Estes planned to ruin Saul's career. By this point in the episode, the show has almost run out of established story to move forward... until the car bomb goes off at Vice-President Walden's funeral. Ironically, in targeting someone he determined was expendable, Estes became expendable himself.]]



* VillainSue: As season 2 nears its conclusion Abu Nazir is starting to feel like this.

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* VillainSue: As season 2 nears its conclusion TheUntwist: Averted and inverted at the end of Season 2. [[spoiler: Abu Nazir is starting dead, which in Estes's eyes, makes Brody expendable. Estes orders Quinn to feel like this.take out Brody. Quinn stands down, arguing that Brody and Carrie did lead them to Abu Nazir. So Brody lives another day, despite the buildup that had taken place in prior episodes. Estes lets Saul go, thus resolving the plot thread where Estes planned to ruin Saul's career. By this point in the episode, the show has almost run out of established story to move forward... until the car bomb goes off at Vice-President Walden's funeral. Ironically, in targeting someone he determined was expendable, Estes became expendable himself.]]
29th Apr '16 7:09:07 PM Knowledgeseeker
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* KickTheSonOfABitch: We're clearly supposed to sympathize with Brody's spiral down into rock bottom, but let us not forget that the guy's a terrorist who was planning to a) infiltrate high office or b) blow up a lot of people. Not to mention that he did, in fact, kill multiple people in service to terrorism. He deserves everything he gets.


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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: We're clearly supposed to sympathize with Brody's spiral down into rock bottom, but let us not forget that the guy's a terrorist who was planning to a) infiltrate high office or b) blow up a lot of people. Not to mention that he did, in fact, kill multiple people in service to terrorism. He deserves everything he gets.
1st Jan '16 8:39:06 PM Cinereous
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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence. For those not keeping up with the news, ISIS started off as a franchise of al-Qaida until they broke off completely, and they have proven to be far more powerful and dangerous than their former parent organization.

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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence. For those not keeping up with the news, ISIS started off as a franchise of al-Qaida until they broke off completely, completely in mid-2014, and they have proven to be far more powerful and dangerous than their former parent organization.
1st Jan '16 8:38:42 PM Cinereous
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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence.

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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence. For those not keeping up with the news, ISIS started off as a franchise of al-Qaida until they broke off completely, and they have proven to be far more powerful and dangerous than their former parent organization.
19th Oct '15 1:06:11 AM forsetipurge
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* BaseBreaker: As the series goes on, Carrie's bipolar condition has become this. Some fans consider it an essential part of Carrie without which her character wouldn't be the same, while others would like the writers to just do away with it.
17th Oct '15 12:08:13 PM AlleyOop
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** [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34536434 It's gotten to the point]] that artists hired to provide Arabic graffiti in the background [[WriterRevolt wrote messages criticizing Homeland for racism into the show itself]].

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** *** [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34536434 It's gotten to the point]] that artists hired to provide Arabic graffiti in the background [[WriterRevolt wrote messages criticizing Homeland for racism into the show itself]].
17th Oct '15 12:07:47 PM AlleyOop
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** [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34536434 It's gotten to the point]] that artists hired to provide Arabic graffiti in the background [[WriterRevolt wrote messages criticizing Homeland for racism into the show itself]].
14th Oct '15 11:01:50 AM forsetipurge
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* TheChrisCarterEffect: Brody's arc could have been satisfyingly resolved at the conclusion of season one. Instead the writers kept him around for two more seasons, and a significant number of fans consider that resulted in a steady decrease of the series' quality.


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* SeasonalRot: A common view among the fans is that the series' writing quality gradually declined after a universally celebrated season 1. Season 4 is widely noted as an attempt by the writers to turn things back around, though how well they did that is definitely up to discussion.
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