History YMMV / Homeland

29th Apr '16 7:09:07 PM Knowledgeseeker
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* KickTheSonOfABitch: We're clearly supposed to sympathize with Brody's spiral down into rock bottom, but let us not forget that the guy's a terrorist who was planning to a) infiltrate high office or b) blow up a lot of people. Not to mention that he did, in fact, kill multiple people in service to terrorism. He deserves everything he gets.


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* UnintentionallyUnsympathetic: We're clearly supposed to sympathize with Brody's spiral down into rock bottom, but let us not forget that the guy's a terrorist who was planning to a) infiltrate high office or b) blow up a lot of people. Not to mention that he did, in fact, kill multiple people in service to terrorism. He deserves everything he gets.
1st Jan '16 8:39:06 PM Cinereous
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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence. For those not keeping up with the news, ISIS started off as a franchise of al-Qaida until they broke off completely, and they have proven to be far more powerful and dangerous than their former parent organization.

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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence. For those not keeping up with the news, ISIS started off as a franchise of al-Qaida until they broke off completely, completely in mid-2014, and they have proven to be far more powerful and dangerous than their former parent organization.
1st Jan '16 8:38:42 PM Cinereous
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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence.

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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence. For those not keeping up with the news, ISIS started off as a franchise of al-Qaida until they broke off completely, and they have proven to be far more powerful and dangerous than their former parent organization.
19th Oct '15 1:06:11 AM forsetipurge
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* BaseBreaker: As the series goes on, Carrie's bipolar condition has become this. Some fans consider it an essential part of Carrie without which her character wouldn't be the same, while others would like the writers to just do away with it.
17th Oct '15 12:08:13 PM AlleyOop
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** [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34536434 It's gotten to the point]] that artists hired to provide Arabic graffiti in the background [[WriterRevolt wrote messages criticizing Homeland for racism into the show itself]].

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** *** [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34536434 It's gotten to the point]] that artists hired to provide Arabic graffiti in the background [[WriterRevolt wrote messages criticizing Homeland for racism into the show itself]].
17th Oct '15 12:07:47 PM AlleyOop
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** [[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-34536434 It's gotten to the point]] that artists hired to provide Arabic graffiti in the background [[WriterRevolt wrote messages criticizing Homeland for racism into the show itself]].
14th Oct '15 11:01:50 AM forsetipurge
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* TheChrisCarterEffect: Brody's arc could have been satisfyingly resolved at the conclusion of season one. Instead the writers kept him around for two more seasons, and a significant number of fans consider that resulted in a steady decrease of the series' quality.


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* SeasonalRot: A common view among the fans is that the series' writing quality gradually declined after a universally celebrated season 1. Season 4 is widely noted as an attempt by the writers to turn things back around, though how well they did that is definitely up to discussion.
23rd Sep '15 10:26:33 AM Morgenthaler
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* OlderThanYouThink: The concept of a homecoming American MIA convert to Islam has been explored much earlier in 2006, in JohnWells' spy novel series. Coincidentally, the author of the series is a friend of Howard Gordon's. In fact, Saul Berenson is named after the author.

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* OlderThanYouThink: The concept of a homecoming American MIA convert to Islam has been explored much earlier in 2006, in JohnWells' Literature/JohnWells' spy novel series. Coincidentally, the author of the series is a friend of Howard Gordon's. In fact, Saul Berenson is named after the author.
20th Sep '15 9:19:10 PM MagBas
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* VillainHasAPoint: The [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] given by the lawyer in 3x04 to Carrie, about how the CIA will first break her, then kill her. He may be a slime-sucking traitorous whore, but he's probably right.
4th Aug '15 8:59:58 PM Angeldeb82
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* DesignatedHero: Carrie, by Season 3. She drinks heavily [[spoiler: despite being pregnant, and nearly compromises national security while pursuing her love affair with Brody.]] [[http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/sunday-night-tv-precap-carrie-mathisons-terrible-at-her-job-rick-vs-the-guv-and-50-years-of-the-doctor/ As noted by Andy Greenwald]], Carrie is quite bad at her job.

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* DesignatedHero: {{Designated Hero}}ine: Carrie, by Season 3. She drinks heavily [[spoiler: despite being pregnant, and nearly compromises national security while pursuing her love affair with Brody.]] Brody]]. [[http://grantland.com/hollywood-prospectus/sunday-night-tv-precap-carrie-mathisons-terrible-at-her-job-rick-vs-the-guv-and-50-years-of-the-doctor/ As noted by Andy Greenwald]], Carrie is quite bad at her job.



** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence.

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** Reviewers have long criticized the show for making Al-Qaeda more competent than they really are, though the writers tried to [[JustifiedTrope justify]] {{justif|iedTrope}}y this deviation by implying that Abu Nazir's network is actually a Qaeda splinter group. Several months after the conclusion of Abu Nazir arc, the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria came to prominence.



* MagnificentBastard: Abu Nazir's magnificence and bastardy are hard to match. VisionaryVillain? Check. [[XanatosGambit Playing the long game]]? Yessir. [[XanatosSpeedChess Adaptable]]? Oh yes. [[RefugeInAudacity Daring]]? And how! Willing to kill [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness underlings whom he no longer needs]], [[YouHaveFailedMe those who threaten his security]], [[AndYourLittleDogToo their parents, wives, siblings]], and [[WouldHurtAChild children]]? You bet.

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* MagnificentBastard: Abu Nazir's magnificence and bastardy are hard to match. VisionaryVillain? Check. [[XanatosGambit Playing the long game]]? game?]] Yessir. [[XanatosSpeedChess Adaptable]]? Adaptable?]] Oh yes. [[RefugeInAudacity Daring]]? Daring?]] And how! Willing to kill [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness underlings whom he no longer needs]], [[YouHaveFailedMe those who threaten his security]], [[AndYourLittleDogToo their parents, wives, siblings]], and [[WouldHurtAChild children]]? You bet.



* {{Narm}}: Some of Claire Danes' overacting appproaches it, especially when the sultry jazz kicks in.
* OlderThanYouThink: The concept of a homecoming American MIA convert to Islam has been explored much earlier in 2006, in JohnWells spy novel series. Coincidentally, the author of the series is a friend of Howard Gordon's. In fact, Saul Berenson is named after the author.

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* {{Narm}}: Some of Claire Danes' overacting appproaches approaches it, especially when the sultry jazz kicks in.
* OlderThanYouThink: The concept of a homecoming American MIA convert to Islam has been explored much earlier in 2006, in JohnWells JohnWells' spy novel series. Coincidentally, the author of the series is a friend of Howard Gordon's. In fact, Saul Berenson is named after the author.



*** Dana in Season 3, due to her [[RomanticPlotTumor boring romance storyline.]] Viewers are annoyed that a series who calls itself a spy thriller invests so much time on a teenager's angst.

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*** Dana in Season 3, due to her [[RomanticPlotTumor boring romance storyline.]] storyline]]. Viewers are annoyed that a series who calls itself a spy thriller invests so much time on a teenager's angst.



* VillainHasAPoint: The BreakingSpeech given by the lawyer in 3x04 to Carrie, about how the CIA will first break her, then kill her. He may be a slime-sucking traitorous whore, but he's probably right.
* VillainSue: As season 2 nears its conclusion Abu Nazir is starting to feel like this.
* TheWoobie: Nicholas Brody. He comes back to his family eight years after leaving them, tortured and broken and struggling to return to normal life--[[spoiler:while also being forced to lie to them. Then he thinks that he's found someone who understands him--nope, she's been spying on him the whole time.]]
** [[spoiler:It gets worse in the second season after the CIA finally finds evidence that he is a terrorist, and forces him to work with them. He has to keep lying, and even more than he did before.]]


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* VillainHasAPoint: The [[BreakThemByTalking breaking speech]] given by the lawyer in 3x04 to Carrie, about how the CIA will first break her, then kill her. He may be a slime-sucking traitorous whore, but he's probably right.
* VillainSue: As season 2 nears its conclusion Abu Nazir is starting to feel like this.
* TheWoobie: Nicholas Brody. He comes back to his family eight years after leaving them, tortured and broken and struggling to return to normal life--[[spoiler:while also being forced to lie to them. Then he thinks that he's found someone who understands him--nope, she's been spying on him the whole time.]]
** [[spoiler:It gets worse in the second season after the CIA finally finds evidence that he is a terrorist, and forces him to work with them. He has to keep lying, and even more than he did before.]]
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