History YMMV / HeyArnold

7th Dec '16 5:22:23 PM RayAP9
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* TheWoobie: Arnold is definitely this in "Parents Day" and "The Journal" when you see how much not having his parents around really bothers him.

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Arnold is definitely this in "Parents Day" and "The Journal" when you see how much not having his parents around really bothers him. him.
** "Helga on the Couch" portrays Helga in this manner. Her ill-tempered nature has terribly saddening origins-- her parents neglect her, and have since she was 5 or 6 years old (possibly longer), the other kids in pre-school were mean to her for no reason, and pretty much no one except Arnold treats her nicely. As a result, she falls in love with Arnold, but bullies him so no one will find out how she feels (this is because she doesn't feel attractive enough for Arnold to return her feelings). She also bullies the other kids because she simply doesn't want to be bullied herself. Essentially, she treats people badly because that's how people have always treated her.
7th Dec '16 10:56:43 AM thecarolinabull01
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** Phil and Oskar turning up the water when Helga broke the faucet in "Biosquare". Drowning to death is totally what they were asking for when banging on the glass with frightened looks on their faces.
4th Dec '16 5:00:55 PM Upgrader
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** Lila creates a lot of different interpretations. WordOfGod is that she has a repressed darker side; however, this just adds fuel to the fire. There are enough elements to support her being either a BitchInSheepsClothing who manipulates everyone or a StepfordSmiler trying to be as sweet and smart as can be while having a difficult life.
** How innocent are Helga's intentions with Arnold? Does she really love him? Or is her "love" really just selfish, misplaced feelings that have morphed into a stalker-like obsession? It doesn't help that both are shown to be somewhat true DependingOnTheWriter. WordOfGod has confirmed it to be the former, but some fans have a hard time agreeing with that.

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** Lila creates a lot of different interpretations. WordOfGod is that she has a repressed darker side; side (which was never show in the series); however, this just adds fuel to the fire. There are enough elements to support her being either a manipulative BitchInSheepsClothing who manipulates everyone or a StepfordSmiler trying to be as sweet and smart as can be while having a difficult life.
** How innocent are Helga's intentions with Arnold? Does she really love him? Or is her "love" really just selfish, misplaced feelings that have morphed into a an unhealthy stalker-like obsession? It doesn't help that both are shown to be somewhat true DependingOnTheWriter. WordOfGod has confirmed it to be the former, but some fans have a hard time agreeing with that.



** Seasons 4 and 5. Either they're well-liked for producing some genuinely mature and heartfelt episodes while giving much needed CharacterDevelopment to the supporting cast, or they're hated for turning Arnold into an OutOfFocus FlatCharacter, overexposing Helga and focusing too much on the Arnold/Helga/Lila LoveTriangle.

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** Seasons 4 and 5. Either they're well-liked for producing some genuinely mature and heartfelt episodes while giving much needed CharacterDevelopment to the supporting cast, or they're hated considered a case of SeasonalRot for turning Arnold into an OutOfFocus FlatCharacter, overexposing Helga and focusing too much on the Arnold/Helga/Lila LoveTriangle.



** To an extent, the latter half of the series is an improvement over the first half, due to further improvements on the animation, and delving into some darker and more emotional stories, with episodes like ''Helga on the Couch'', ''Parents Day'', and ''Arnold's Thanksgiving''.

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** To an extent, the latter half of the series is an improvement over the first half, due to further improvements on to the animation, and delving into some darker and more emotional stories, with episodes like ''Helga on the Couch'', ''Parents Day'', and ''Arnold's Thanksgiving''.



** While Lila is portrayed in the series as a nice girl, many fanfics tend to demonize her, portraying her as a cruel, {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch (or in T-rated fics, as a slut). It also doesn't help that Craig Bartlett has implied that she's a BitchInSheepsClothing.
** Many of the more grimdark fanfictions portray Big Bob as a physically abusive father, despite that in the series, he horrified that he nearly hurt Helga in "Arnold's Halloween". Most of his redeeming moments, such as in "Arnold's Thanksgiving" and "Quantity Time" are also often ignored.

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** While Lila is portrayed in the series as a nice girl, many fanfics tend to demonize her, portraying her as a cruel, {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch (or in T-rated fics, as a slut). It also doesn't help that Craig Bartlett slut) who deliberately gets in the way of [[OneTrueCouple Arnold and Helga]].
** While not to the extent of Lila, Rhonda often
has implied that she's a BitchInSheepsClothing.
her RichBitch qualities cranked UpToEleven.
** Many of the more grimdark fanfictions portray Big Bob as a physically abusive father, despite that in the series, he was horrified that he nearly hurt Helga in "Arnold's Halloween". Most of his redeeming moments, such as in "Arnold's Thanksgiving" and "Quantity Time" are also often ignored.



** Lila toward the end of the series. While she's not universally hated by any means, you'd be hard-pressed to find people that are honestly ''fans'' at this time. Her being an irritating {{parody|Sue}} Purity Sue didn't stop her from having a fanbase in Seasons 2 and 3, (hell, she was actually TheWoobie when she first debuted!) It was mainly due to the RomanticPlotTumor love triangle of Seasons 4 and 5 (and accompanying DieForOurShip sentiments) that pushed her into Scrappydom, along with the fact that she seemingly leads Arnold on, only to remind him that she doesn't ''like him'' like him.

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** Lila toward the end of the series. While she's not universally hated by any means, you'd be hard-pressed to find people that are honestly ''fans'' at this time. Her being an irritating {{parody|Sue}} Purity Sue didn't stop her from having a fanbase in Seasons 2 and 3, (hell, she was actually TheWoobie when she first debuted!) It was mainly due to the RomanticPlotTumor love triangle of Seasons 4 and 5 (and accompanying the inevitable DieForOurShip sentiments) sentiments accompanying it) that pushed her into Scrappydom, along with the fact that she seemingly leads Arnold on, only to remind him that she doesn't ''like him'' like him.Scrappydom.



** Arnold in "Egg Story". He immediately assumes Helga is going to start picking on him and lays down the law and tells her she's the last person he'd like to be paired up with, which makes Helga (understandably) angry. This leads to both of them arguing until the end of the episode, where they admit they were both wrong. However, Arnold had no good reason for being so harsh on her, since Helga did ''nothing'' to him in the beginning of the episode, and at this point in the series, they've gotten along and worked together several times, and he already knows [[JerkassFacade she's not as bad as she acts]]. Not to mention it simply feels OutOfCharacter for Arnold to say those things to ''anyone'' at all. On the other hand, with how many times Helga has been mean to him in the past, she's not totally undeserving.

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** Arnold in "Egg Story". He immediately assumes Helga is going to start picking on him and lays down the law and tells her she's the last person he'd like to be paired up with, which makes Helga (understandably) angry. This leads to both of them arguing until the end of the episode, where they admit they were both wrong. However, Arnold had no good reason for being so harsh on her, since Helga did ''nothing'' to him in the beginning of the episode, and at this point in the series, they've gotten along and worked together several times, and he already knows [[JerkassFacade she's not as bad as she acts]]. Not to mention it simply feels OutOfCharacter for Arnold to say those things to ''anyone'' at all. On the other hand, with how many times Helga has been mean to him in the past, it's debatable whether she's not totally undeserving.



* VindicatedByHistory: The opinions surrounding ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'' have softened over the years. Though there still is a mixed opinion surrounding it, it's nowhere near as negative as the initial reception.[[note]]Website/RottenTomatoes gave it a 29%.[[/note]] While pretty much everyone agrees that it should've stayed as a TV movie, many fans say the movie is pretty decent on its own right, and is enough to please fans of the show. The fact that the long awaited ''Jungle Movie'' that will tie up all loose ends has been put back into production might also have helped soften the blow.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The opinions surrounding ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'' have softened over the years. Though there still is a mixed opinion surrounding it, it's nowhere near as negative as the initial reception.[[note]]Website/RottenTomatoes gave it a 29%.[[/note]] While pretty much everyone agrees that it should've stayed as a TV movie, many fans say the movie is pretty decent on its own right, and is enough to please fans of the show. The fact that the long awaited ''Jungle Movie'' that will tie up all this movie's main loose ends end has been put back into production might also have helped soften the blow.



** Helga probably could get Arnold's interest if she was nice, but she rarely gives it a try. She has a rep to maintain. Her classmates even made fun of her for it on day one (when Arnold first noticed her) in a flashback in the episode, "Helga on the Couch".
** Arnold's inability to recognize Helga's feelings for him, even after A) Phil outright tells him that Helga probably likes him and points out that Pookie did the same thing to him when they were his age[[note]]But he called her by her real name, "Gertie" and Arnold seems to be clueless that it's his grandmother that Phil is talking about[[/note]] and B) Helga planted two long mouth kisses on him in both "School Play" and "Summer Love". He may be WiseBeyondHisYears, but he still possesses some naivete.
** Adding to this, he should have known that "Cecile" was really Helga in "Arnold's Valentine". Sure, she might have been all dolled up, but she was still wearing her pink bow, a pink outfit and didn't even bother disguising her voice or accent. It is possible that he knew who she was, but was playing along anyway.

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** Helga probably could get Arnold's interest if she was nice, but she rarely gives it a try. She has a rep to maintain. Her classmates even made fun of her for it on day one (when Arnold first noticed her) in a flashback in the episode, "Helga on the Couch".
** Arnold's [[ObliviousToLove inability to recognize Helga's feelings for him, him]], even after A) Phil outright tells him that Helga probably likes him and points out that Pookie did the same thing to him when they were his age[[note]]But he called her by her real name, "Gertie" and Arnold seems to be clueless that it's his grandmother that Phil is talking about[[/note]] and B) Helga planted two long mouth kisses on him in both "School Play" and "Summer Love". He may be WiseBeyondHisYears, but he still possesses some naivete.
** Adding to this, he should have known that "Cecile" was really Helga in "Arnold's Valentine". Sure, she might have been all dolled up, but she was still wearing her pink bow, a pink outfit and didn't even bother disguising her voice or accent. It is possible that he knew who she was, but was playing along anyway.



** Susie for [[WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack continuously forgiving and returning to Oskar despite him being a lazy, whiny ManChild who never learns his lesson.]]

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** Susie Suzie for [[WhyWouldAnyoneTakeHimBack continuously forgiving and returning to Oskar despite him being a lazy, whiny ManChild who never learns his lesson.]]
1st Dec '16 4:15:36 PM thecarolinabull01
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* UnpopularPopularCharacter: Eugene's peers (bar Arnold) ostracize him for being a jinx and being all around unlucky. However, he has a lot of fans for his charming personality.
* Helga is widely disliked by most of her peers for being a bully, but due to her character development she's arguably the most popular character in the show as well as the BreakoutCharacter.

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Eugene's peers (bar Arnold) ostracize him for being a jinx and being all around unlucky. However, he has a lot of fans for his charming personality.
* ** Helga is widely disliked by most of her the same peers for being a bully, but due to her character development she's arguably the most popular character in the show as well as the BreakoutCharacter.



* VindicatedByHistory: The opinions surrounding ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'' have softened over the years. Though there still is a mixed opinion surrounding it, it's nowhere near as negative as the initial reception.[[note]]Website/RottenTomatoes gave it a 29%.[[/note]] While pretty much everyone agrees that it should've stayed as a TV movie, many fans say the movie is pretty decent on its own right, and is enough to please fans of the show. The fact that the long awaited ''Jungle Movie'' that will tie up all loose ends has been put back into production might also have helped soften the blow.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The opinions surrounding ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'' have softened over the years. Though there still is a mixed opinion surrounding it, it's nowhere near as negative as the initial reception.[[note]]Website/RottenTomatoes gave it a 29%.[[/note]] While pretty much everyone agrees that it should've stayed as a TV movie, many fans say the movie is pretty decent on its own right, and is enough to please fans of the show. The fact that the long awaited awaited ''Jungle Movie'' that will tie up all loose ends has been put back into production might also have helped soften the blow.
1st Dec '16 4:13:37 PM thecarolinabull01
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** Arnold in "Egg Story". He immediately assumes Helga is going to start picking on him and lays down the law and tells her she's the last person he'd like to be paired up with, which makes Helga (understandably) angry. This leads to both of them arguing until the end of the episode, where they admit they were both wrong. However, Arnold had no good reason for being so harsh on her, since Helga did ''nothing'' to him in the beginning of the episode, and at this point in the series, they've gotten along and worked together several times, and he already knows [[JerkassFacade she's not as bad as she acts]]. Not to mention it simply feels OutOfCharacter for Arnold to say those things to ''anyone'' at all.

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** Arnold in "Egg Story". He immediately assumes Helga is going to start picking on him and lays down the law and tells her she's the last person he'd like to be paired up with, which makes Helga (understandably) angry. This leads to both of them arguing until the end of the episode, where they admit they were both wrong. However, Arnold had no good reason for being so harsh on her, since Helga did ''nothing'' to him in the beginning of the episode, and at this point in the series, they've gotten along and worked together several times, and he already knows [[JerkassFacade she's not as bad as she acts]]. Not to mention it simply feels OutOfCharacter for Arnold to say those things to ''anyone'' at all. On the other hand, with how many times Helga has been mean to him in the past, she's not totally undeserving.



* Helga is widely disliked by most of her peers for being a bully, but due to her character development she's arguably the most popular character in the show as well as the BreakoutCharacter.



* VindicatedByHistory: The opinions surrounding ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'' have softened over the years. Though there still is a mixed opinion surrounding it, it's nowhere near as negative as the initial reception.[[note]]Website/RottenTomatoes gave it a 29%.[[/note]] While pretty much everyone agrees that it should've stayed as a TV movie, many fans say the movie is pretty decent on its own right, and is enough to please fans of the show.

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* VindicatedByHistory: The opinions surrounding ''Hey Arnold! The Movie'' have softened over the years. Though there still is a mixed opinion surrounding it, it's nowhere near as negative as the initial reception.[[note]]Website/RottenTomatoes gave it a 29%.[[/note]] While pretty much everyone agrees that it should've stayed as a TV movie, many fans say the movie is pretty decent on its own right, and is enough to please fans of the show. The fact that the long awaited ''Jungle Movie'' that will tie up all loose ends has been put back into production might also have helped soften the blow.



** Helga probably could get Arnold's interest if she was nice, but she rarely gives it a try. She has a rep to maintain. Harold even made fun of her on day one (when Arnold first noticed her) in a flashback in the episode, "Helga on the Couch".
** Arnold's inability to recognize Helga's feelings, even after A) Phil outright tells him this by pointing out that Pookie did the same thing to him when they were his age[[note]]But he called her by her real name, "Gertie" and Arnold seems to be clueless that it's his grandmother that Phil is talking about[[/note]] and B) Helga planted two long mouth kisses on him in both "School Play" and "Summer Love". He may be WiseBeyondHisYears, but he still possesses some naivete.
** Adding to this, he should have known that "Cecile" was really Helga in "Arnold's Valentine". Though it is possible that he knew who she was, but was playing along anyway.

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** Helga probably could get Arnold's interest if she was nice, but she rarely gives it a try. She has a rep to maintain. Harold Her classmates even made fun of her for it on day one (when Arnold first noticed her) in a flashback in the episode, "Helga on the Couch".
** Arnold's inability to recognize Helga's feelings, feelings for him, even after A) Phil outright tells him this by pointing that Helga probably likes him and points out that Pookie did the same thing to him when they were his age[[note]]But he called her by her real name, "Gertie" and Arnold seems to be clueless that it's his grandmother that Phil is talking about[[/note]] and B) Helga planted two long mouth kisses on him in both "School Play" and "Summer Love". He may be WiseBeyondHisYears, but he still possesses some naivete.
** Adding to this, he should have known that "Cecile" was really Helga in "Arnold's Valentine". Though it Sure, she might have been all dolled up, but she was still wearing her pink bow, a pink outfit and didn't even bother disguising her voice or accent. It is possible that he knew who she was, but was playing along anyway.
1st Dec '16 2:32:02 PM thecarolinabull01
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** Lila creates a lot of different interpretations. WordOfGod is that she has a repressed darker side; however, this just adds fuel to the fire. There are enough elements to support her being either a BitchInSheepsClothing who manipulates everyone or a StepfordSmiler trying to be as sweet and smart as can be while having a difficult life.
** How innocent are Helga's intentions with Arnold? Does she really love him? Or is her "love" really just selfish, misplaced feelings that have morphed into a stalker-like obsession? It doesn't help that both are shown to be somewhat true DependingOnTheWriter. WordOfGod has confirmed it to be the former, but some fans have a hard time agreeing with that.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: Anytime Helga complains about someone the other kids always respond with but they’re so nice or they’re an authority figure. Even when it involves her mother forgetting to pack her lunch they call Helga out for not going the extra mile in making her a mothers day card. While what she did to Inga was wrong as stated below in UnintentionallyUnsympathetic Inga was not only hired because Bob forgot Helga’s age but completely too away her independence so her and thereby the shows TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Helga was needlessly cruel as it essentially blamed Helga for being the victim of abuse and neglect because she just didn’t smile and take it. it also doesn’t help that when Bob and Miriam at least make an attempt (such as Bob buying Broadway tickets instead of wrestling) Helga will respond in come. However Helga on the couch has the therapist flat say that given Helga’s lot in life as long as she reframes from violence they way she acts is perfectly justified.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: Anytime Helga complains about someone the other kids always respond with but "but they’re so nice nice" or they’re "they’re an authority figure. figure." Even when it involves her mother forgetting to pack her lunch they call Helga out for not going the extra mile in making her a mothers day Mother's Day card. While what she did to Inga was wrong wrong, as stated below in UnintentionallyUnsympathetic UnintentionallyUnsympathetic, Inga was hired not only hired because Bob forgot Helga’s age but completely too took away her independence so her and thereby the shows independence. TheReasonYouSuckSpeech to Helga was needlessly cruel as it essentially blamed Helga for being the victim of abuse and neglect because she just didn’t smile and take it. it It also doesn’t help that when Bob and Miriam at least make an attempt (such as Bob buying Broadway tickets instead of wrestling) Helga will respond in come. by basically telling them to piss off. However Helga "Helga on the couch Couch" has the therapist Dr. Bliss flat out say that given Helga’s lot in life as long as she reframes refrains from violence they way she acts is perfectly justified.



** Helga Pataki. The majority of the fans love her backstory and complexity. However, there's a VocalMinority that finds it hard to forgive her cruel actions (particularly in "Girl Trouble", "Love and Cheese", and "Helga and the Nanny") as well as her treatment towards everyone (especially Arnold and Phoebe).

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** Helga Pataki. The majority of the fans love her backstory and complexity. However, there's a VocalMinority that finds it hard to forgive her cruel actions (particularly in "Girl Trouble", "Love and Cheese", and "Helga and the Nanny") as well as her treatment towards everyone (especially Arnold and Phoebe). There's also some who question the true intent of her "love" for Arnold.



** For some, Arnold's CharacterDevelopment. Some think it's him showing his maturity and becoming wise beyond his years - while others think he started becoming quite boring since in the later seasons he was ''never'' wrong and essentially became the city's advisor.

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** Seasons 4 and 5. Either they're well-liked for producing some genuinely mature and heartfelt episodes while giving much needed CharacterDevelopment to the supporting cast, or they're hated for turning Arnold into an OutOfFocus FlatCharacter, overexposing Helga and focusing too much on the Arnold/Helga/Lila LoveTriangle.
** For some, Arnold's CharacterDevelopment. Some think it's him showing his maturity and becoming wise beyond his years - while others think he started becoming quite boring since in the later seasons he was ''never'' wrong and essentially became the city's advisor.adviser.



** Many of the more grimdark fanfictions portray Big Bob as a physically abusive father, despite that in the series, he was horrified that he nearly hurt Helga in "Arnold's Halloween". Most of his redeeming moments, such as in "Arnold's Thanksgiving" and "Quantity Time" are also often ignored.

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** Many of the more grimdark fanfictions portray Big Bob as a physically abusive father, despite that in the series, he was horrified that he nearly hurt Helga in "Arnold's Halloween". Most of his redeeming moments, such as in "Arnold's Thanksgiving" and "Quantity Time" are also often ignored.



* SeasonalRot: Seasons 4 and 5 could count as this, due to Arnold becoming an incorruptible moral beacon and the Arnold/Helga/Lila love triangle being overexposed. There were still many good episodes in them though, particularly "Veterans Day", "Helga on the Couch" and "The Journal." As far as seasonal rot goes, Hey Arnold! got off pretty easy. In fact, a lot of people agree that the show never really dropped on quality, and others say it kept getting better over time.
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** Detractors of Helga frequently cite "Girl Trouble" and "Helga and the Nanny" as reasons why they dislike her.

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** Detractors of Helga frequently cite "Girl Trouble" Trouble", "Love and Cheese" and "Helga and the Nanny" as reasons why they dislike her.
30th Nov '16 8:34:03 AM thecarolinabull01
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** While Lila is portrayed in the series as a nice girl, many fanfics tend to demonize her, portraying her as a cruel, {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch (or in T-rated fics, as a slut).

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** While Lila is portrayed in the series as a nice girl, many fanfics tend to demonize her, portraying her as a cruel, {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch (or in T-rated fics, as a slut). It also doesn't help that Craig Bartlett has implied that she's a BitchInSheepsClothing.


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* UncannyValley: Helga's makeover in, well, "Helga's Makeover." Fortunately, she did pull off better looks later on.
27th Nov '16 11:45:25 AM thecarolinabull01
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* SeasonalRot: Seasons 4 and 5 could count as this, due to Arnold becoming an incorruptible moral beacon and the Arnold/Helga/Lila love triangle being overexposed. There were still many good episodes in them though, particularly "Veterans Day", "Helga on the Couch" and "The Journal." As far as seasonal rot goes, Hey Arnold! got off pretty easy. In fact, a lot of people agree that the show never really dropped on quality.

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* SeasonalRot: Seasons 4 and 5 could count as this, due to Arnold becoming an incorruptible moral beacon and the Arnold/Helga/Lila love triangle being overexposed. There were still many good episodes in them though, particularly "Veterans Day", "Helga on the Couch" and "The Journal." As far as seasonal rot goes, Hey Arnold! got off pretty easy. In fact, a lot of people agree that the show never really dropped on quality.quality, and others say it kept getting better over time.



** The monitor lizard eating the parrot at the end of "Helga's Parrot" is incredibly disturbing.

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** The monitor lizard eating the parrot at the end of "Helga's Parrot" is incredibly disturbing.disturbing, especially for younger viewers.
27th Nov '16 11:31:15 AM thecarolinabull01
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** The monitor lizard eating the parrot at the end of "Helga's Parrot" is incredibly disturbing.
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