History YMMV / HeraldsofValdemar

2nd Feb '16 2:49:57 PM GothicProphet
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* TheWoobie: A lot of the major characters, especially early on, start out this way. Vanyel and Talia are the most {{Anvilicious}} of the lot. (Vanyel never stops being one.)

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* TheWoobie: A lot of the major characters, especially early on, start out this way. Vanyel and Talia are the most {{Anvilicious}} of the lot. (Vanyel never stops being one.))
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8th Sep '15 12:45:21 AM LovePsychothefirst
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* FridgeBrilliance: Why does Firesong become obsessed with a lifebond [[spoiler:when the Mage Storms and their effect on the land are driving him insane?]] One of the other books reveal that lifebonds usually/often form when someone extremely powerful is in danger of [[spoiler:going insane: the lifebond anchors them.]] As a Healing-Adept, it's probable that he subconsciously knew what was happening to him and what he needed - it's not made clear whether lifebonds are divine intervention, something the more powerful person does subconsciously, or both.

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* FridgeBrilliance: Why FridgeBrilliance:
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does Firesong become obsessed with a lifebond [[spoiler:when the Mage Storms and their effect on the land are driving him insane?]] One of the other books reveal that lifebonds usually/often form when someone extremely powerful is in danger of [[spoiler:going insane: the lifebond anchors them.]] As a Healing-Adept, it's probable that he subconsciously knew what was happening to him and what he needed - it's not made clear whether lifebonds are divine intervention, something the more powerful person does subconsciously, or both. both.
** In ''By The Sword'' it's revealed that Valdemar has forgotten the BindingAncientTreaty between it and Rethwellen. Sounds strange, and then one remembers that Selenay was a ''teenager'' when she became queen and her father died in the prime of his life. Even if her grandfather was part of how the treaty was formed, between her sudden ascension to the throne and all the other things that happened along the way, a treaty like that being forgotten is very [[JustifiedTrope justified]]!
27th Jul '15 12:47:15 PM StFan
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* SnarkBait: [[SoBadItsGood For some.]] In particular, LimyaaelsFantasyRants often criticize the series.

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* SnarkBait: [[SoBadItsGood For some.]] In particular, LimyaaelsFantasyRants ''Blog/LimyaaelsFantasyRants'' often criticize the series.
28th Oct '14 5:43:39 AM ACW
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* CompleteMonster: See the Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar page on this subject.

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* CompleteMonster: See CompleteMonster:
** Ma'ar/Mornelithe Falconsbane started as being a WellIntentionedExtremist, but quickly became
the Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar page on BigBad, and the final showdown between him and the BigGood Urtho caused the Cataclysm, which was so powerful that it actually echoed through time. Though defeated, he didn't actually die, as he had set up a GrandTheftMe so that he could take over the body of any his descendants once they started showing signs of magical ability, most often when they tried to call up fire. Falconsbane kept doing this subject.over the centuries until finally the main characters in the ''Mage Winds'' trilogy figured out what was going on and destroyed him.
** Ancar kills his father in order to take the throne of Hardorn, tortures Queen's Own Talia (who was there as part of a diplomatic mission to see if a marriage could be set up between Ancar and Princess Elspeth) more for kicks than to get information out of her, and then has his mages mind-control the conscripted troops so that they'll fight. He then drains his land to further power his spells, and kills off even his distant cousins to prevent anyone from overthrowing him.
** Master Pieters puts children as young as four and five to work in a mine. He forces them to sleep in a basement, feeds them so little that they supplemented their diet by stealing the pig slop whenever they could, and is known to [[WouldHurtAChild beat the children to a bloody pulp with a mallet in front of the rest of the child workers]] should he deem it 'necessary' for control of them.
** Hadanelith, a minor villain who appears in ''The White Gryphon'', possesses the Gifts of Empathy and Mindhealing, but uses them [[GoodPowersBadPeople to serve his own sadistic desires rather than to aid people]]. When first discovered, he is found to have been using his gifts to [[MindRape warp the minds of women]] until they live only to serve him in slavery, sexually and otherwise. He is exiled from the city of White Gryphon under the relatively loose laws and customs of their society. Rather than die in the wilderness, he makes his way south to the Haighlei kingdoms and is recruited by the EvilChancellor to assassinate high ranking members of their society in order to frame the delegation from White Gryphon. In doing so, he is permitted to indulge his sadistic fantasies and accordingly tortures his victims before killing them.
12th Oct '14 8:12:06 PM Tovath1
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* CompleteMonster: See the Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar page.

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* CompleteMonster: See the Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar page.page on this subject.
18th May '14 6:20:49 PM Tovath1
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* CompleteMonster: Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar

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* CompleteMonster: Monster/HeraldsOfValdemarSee the Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar page.
22nd Mar '14 4:46:26 PM ACW
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* CompleteMonster:
** Ma'ar/Mornelithe Falconsbane started as being a WellIntentionedExtremist, but quickly became the BigBad, and the final showdown between him and the BigGood Urtho caused the Cataclysm, which was so powerful that it actually echoed through time. Though defeated, he didn't actually die, as he had set up a GrandTheftMe so that he could take over the body of any his descendants once they started showing signs of magical ability, most often when they tried to call up fire. Falconsbane kept doing this over the centuries until finally the main characters in the ''Mage Winds'' trilogy figured out what was going on and destroyed him.
** Ancar kills his father in order to take the throne of Hardorn, tortures Queen's Own Talia (who was there as part of a diplomatic mission to see if a marriage could be set up between Ancar and Princess Elspeth) more for kicks than to get information out of her, and then has his mages mind-control the conscripted troops so that they'll fight. He then drains his land to further power his spells, and kills off even his distant cousins to prevent anyone from overthrowing him.
** Master Pieters puts children as young as four and five to work in a mine. He forces them to sleep in a basement, feeds them so little that they supplemented their diet by stealing the pig slop whenever they could, and is known to [[WouldHurtAChild beat the children to a bloody pulp with a mallet in front of the rest of the child workers]] should he deem it 'necessary' for control of them.
** Hadanelith, a minor villain who appears in ''The White Gryphon'', possesses the Gifts of Empathy and Mindhealing, but uses them [[GoodPowersBadPeople to serve his own sadistic desires rather than to aid people]]. When first discovered, he is found to have been using his gifts to [[MindRape warp the minds of women]] until they live only to serve him in slavery, sexually and otherwise. He is exiled from the city of White Gryphon under the relatively loose laws and customs of their society. Rather than die in the wilderness, he makes his way south to the Haighlei kingdoms and is recruited by the EvilChancellor to assassinate high ranking members of their society in order to frame the delegation from White Gryphon. In doing so, he is permitted to indulge his sadistic fantasies and accordingly tortures his victims before killing them.

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* CompleteMonster:
** Ma'ar/Mornelithe Falconsbane started as being a WellIntentionedExtremist, but quickly became the BigBad, and the final showdown between him and the BigGood Urtho caused the Cataclysm, which was so powerful that it actually echoed through time. Though defeated, he didn't actually die, as he had set up a GrandTheftMe so that he could take over the body of any his descendants once they started showing signs of magical ability, most often when they tried to call up fire. Falconsbane kept doing this over the centuries until finally the main characters in the ''Mage Winds'' trilogy figured out what was going on and destroyed him.
** Ancar kills his father in order to take the throne of Hardorn, tortures Queen's Own Talia (who was there as part of a diplomatic mission to see if a marriage could be set up between Ancar and Princess Elspeth) more for kicks than to get information out of her, and then has his mages mind-control the conscripted troops so that they'll fight. He then drains his land to further power his spells, and kills off even his distant cousins to prevent anyone from overthrowing him.
** Master Pieters puts children as young as four and five to work in a mine. He forces them to sleep in a basement, feeds them so little that they supplemented their diet by stealing the pig slop whenever they could, and is known to [[WouldHurtAChild beat the children to a bloody pulp with a mallet in front of the rest of the child workers]] should he deem it 'necessary' for control of them.
** Hadanelith, a minor villain who appears in ''The White Gryphon'', possesses the Gifts of Empathy and Mindhealing, but uses them [[GoodPowersBadPeople to serve his own sadistic desires rather than to aid people]]. When first discovered, he is found to have been using his gifts to [[MindRape warp the minds of women]] until they live only to serve him in slavery, sexually and otherwise. He is exiled from the city of White Gryphon under the relatively loose laws and customs of their society. Rather than die in the wilderness, he makes his way south to the Haighlei kingdoms and is recruited by the EvilChancellor to assassinate high ranking members of their society in order to frame the delegation from White Gryphon. In doing so, he is permitted to indulge his sadistic fantasies and accordingly tortures his victims before killing them.
CompleteMonster: Monster/HeraldsOfValdemar
12th Mar '14 3:38:18 PM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: Talia and [[spoiler:Dirk]] ''finally'' [[EarnYourHappyEnding getting their happy ending]]. Just... yes. This. And damn if they don't deserve it a thousand times over.
1st Mar '14 12:33:18 PM Ecclytennysmithylove
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* SnarkBait: [[SoBadItsGood For some.]] In particular, LimyaaelsFantasyRants often criticise the series.


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* SnarkBait: [[SoBadItsGood For some.]] In particular, LimyaaelsFantasyRants often criticize the series.


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* StopHelpingMe: Tarma's relationship with the aforementioned bard who follows her around.
19th Feb '14 7:35:21 AM Ramidel
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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The series' habit of giving its protagonists DarkAndTroubledPast[=s=] can get quite wearying at times.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: The series' habit of giving its protagonists DarkAndTroubledPast[=s=] can get quite wearying at times.



* TheWoobie: A lot of the major characters, especially early on, start out this way. Vanyel and Talia are the most {{Anvilicious}} of the lot. (Vanyel never stops being one.)
* WishFulfillment:

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* WhatAnIdiot: A tavern mistress explicitly hires Vanyel as the tavern bard because he's gay, and so he won't steal away her serving girls. Then she gets mad at him when he refuses to sleep with ''her'' on request.
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* TheWoobie: A lot of the major characters, especially early on, start out this way. Vanyel and Talia are the most {{Anvilicious}} of the lot. (Vanyel never stops being one.)
* WishFulfillment:
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