History YMMV / HenryV

1st Oct '17 5:16:29 PM JulianLapostat
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* DesignatedHero: William Hazlitt famously called Henry V an "amiable monster, a very splendid pageant." Harold Bloom noted that Henry V is in essence a warmongering hypocrite and a liar. He points out that the famous speech at St. Crispin about how the soldiers are his BandOfBrothers is a lie, since it contradicts the scene before in the camps, where the King-in-disguise told soldiers that their [[NeverMyFault sovereign is not responsible for the deaths of any of them]] on any individual level, and that the idea that any peasant conscript who survives Agincourt could become a gentleman on any level is contradicted by the scene with Pistol in the final acts where he's more or less back right where he started with nothing to show for it. Stephen Greenblatt noted that Henry V is fundamentally a populist demagogue, whose experiences SlummingIt with Falstaff amounted [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil to helping him better control and manipulate the people and lower-orders]].

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* DesignatedHero: William Hazlitt famously called Henry V an "amiable monster, a very splendid pageant." "
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Harold Bloom noted that Henry V is in essence a warmongering hypocrite and a liar. He points out that the famous speech at St. Crispin about how the soldiers are his BandOfBrothers is a lie, since it contradicts the scene before in the camps, where the King-in-disguise told soldiers that their [[NeverMyFault sovereign is not responsible for the deaths of any of them]] on any individual level, and that the idea that any peasant conscript who survives Agincourt could become a gentleman on any level is contradicted by the scene with Pistol in the final acts where he's more or less back right where he started with nothing to show for it. Stephen Greenblatt noted that Henry V is fundamentally a populist demagogue, whose experiences SlummingIt with Falstaff amounted [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil to helping him better control and manipulate the people and lower-orders]].lower-orders]].
** A mock-trial for war crimes on Henry V's conduct in Shakespeare's play [[https://dctheatrescene.com/2010/03/18/high-court-rules-for-french-at-agincourt/ in Washington DC at 2010]] with many noting that even by the standards of the medieval era or early modern England of Shakespeare's day, the scene of Henry V ordering the execution of captive French prisoners constituted a war crime.
1st Oct '17 11:04:51 AM JulianLapostat
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* DesignatedHero: William Hazlitt famously called Henry V an "amiable monster, a very splendid pageant." Harold Bloom noted that Henry V is in essence a warmongering hypocrite and a liar. He points out that the famous speech at St. Crispin about how the soldiers are his BandOfBrothers is a lie, since it contradicts the scene before in the camps, where the King-in-disguise told soldiers that their [[NeverMyFault sovereign is not responsible for the deaths of any of them]] on any individual level, and that the idea that any peasant conscript who survives Agincourt could become a gentleman on any level is contradicted by the scene with Pistol in the final acts where he's more or less back right where he started with nothing to show for it. Stephen Greenblatt noted that Henry V is fundamentally a populist demagogue.

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* DesignatedHero: William Hazlitt famously called Henry V an "amiable monster, a very splendid pageant." Harold Bloom noted that Henry V is in essence a warmongering hypocrite and a liar. He points out that the famous speech at St. Crispin about how the soldiers are his BandOfBrothers is a lie, since it contradicts the scene before in the camps, where the King-in-disguise told soldiers that their [[NeverMyFault sovereign is not responsible for the deaths of any of them]] on any individual level, and that the idea that any peasant conscript who survives Agincourt could become a gentleman on any level is contradicted by the scene with Pistol in the final acts where he's more or less back right where he started with nothing to show for it. Stephen Greenblatt noted that Henry V is fundamentally a populist demagogue. demagogue, whose experiences SlummingIt with Falstaff amounted [[APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil to helping him better control and manipulate the people and lower-orders]].



** Mistress Quickly's scene at the start of the play where she gives what critics consider Falstaff's funeral elegy is also highly memorable. In the Henry IV plays she was a SatelliteCharacter to Falstaff and fundamentally a brothel madam stereotype, but the wonderfully moving prose with which she commends Falstaff to "Arthur's bosom" is unforgettable.

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** Mistress Quickly's scene at the start of the play where she gives what critics consider Falstaff's funeral elegy is also highly memorable. In the Henry IV plays she was a SatelliteCharacter to Falstaff and fundamentally a brothel madam stereotype, but the wonderfully moving prose with which she commends Falstaff to "Arthur's bosom" is unforgettable. unforgettable, especially in Creator/OrsonWelles' ''Film/ChimesAtMidnight'' (where she's played by Margaret Rutherford).
1st Oct '17 11:01:44 AM JulianLapostat
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* DesignatedHero: Similar to AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, one famous bit of criticism calls Henry an "amiable monster, a very splendid pageant."

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* DesignatedHero: Similar to AlternativeCharacterInterpretation, one famous bit of criticism calls William Hazlitt famously called Henry V an "amiable monster, a very splendid pageant." Harold Bloom noted that Henry V is in essence a warmongering hypocrite and a liar. He points out that the famous speech at St. Crispin about how the soldiers are his BandOfBrothers is a lie, since it contradicts the scene before in the camps, where the King-in-disguise told soldiers that their [[NeverMyFault sovereign is not responsible for the deaths of any of them]] on any individual level, and that the idea that any peasant conscript who survives Agincourt could become a gentleman on any level is contradicted by the scene with Pistol in the final acts where he's more or less back right where he started with nothing to show for it. Stephen Greenblatt noted that Henry V is fundamentally a populist demagogue.


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** Mistress Quickly's scene at the start of the play where she gives what critics consider Falstaff's funeral elegy is also highly memorable. In the Henry IV plays she was a SatelliteCharacter to Falstaff and fundamentally a brothel madam stereotype, but the wonderfully moving prose with which she commends Falstaff to "Arthur's bosom" is unforgettable.


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* ValuesDissonance: The scene where the King in disguise as a soldier moves through the camps and respond to the complaints of his soldiers about how Henry V caused the war and responding to it, by insisting that a King is not responsible for the deaths of soldiers under his command because he doesn't actually intend their deaths and that the life of a soldier lost is collateral damage, to a modern audience is incredibly callous, cold, and inhumane, with the King more or less disavowing any guilt or feelings of bond to the soldiers he's asking to fight for him, and more or less writing off their concerns by telling them to "man up, CannonFodder is what society and God decided you to be, so quit whining and fight, and if you die, well too bad for you".
3rd Apr '17 8:01:14 AM dotchan
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* HilariousInHindsight: Henry's LoveInterest is a princess named Catherine; in TheTamingOfTheShrew, the love interest there is named Kate, and "Kiss me, Kate" is a line featured within.
30th Oct '16 2:10:08 PM nombretomado
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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: As in ''HenryIV'', there is ongoing debate over whether Shakespeare meant Henry to be pictured as a heroic boy king or a despicable example of TheChessmaster.

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* AlternativeCharacterInterpretation: As in ''HenryIV'', ''Theatre/HenryIV'', there is ongoing debate over whether Shakespeare meant Henry to be pictured as a heroic boy king or a despicable example of TheChessmaster.
14th Oct '15 11:54:44 PM Nozdordomu
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* AwesomeMusic: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13FrLGB_oK8 Non Nobis Domine]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doCf0WYEKho the BGM for the St. Crispin's Day speech]] in Branagh's version.

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* AwesomeMusic: [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13FrLGB_oK8 Non Nobis Domine]] and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doCf0WYEKho the BGM for the St. Crispin's Day speech]] in Branagh's version. The score from Olivier's version ain't shabby either.
8th May '15 3:41:33 PM Ciara25
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** Really, if the whole wooing scene doesn't get the audience laughing ''at least'' once, you're doing it wrong.
1st Feb '15 2:47:48 PM Tuckerscreator
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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: the scene between the princess and her maid, where the princess tried to learn English words, only to snicker when she discovers the words for "foot" and "gown" sound a lot like the French words for "fuck" and "cunt." Not particularly relevant to the plot of the play, and probably only included so that a) Shakespeare could poke fun at the French language and b) Catherine's identity and role would be established rather than just showing up at the ''very'' end of the play for Henry to woo.

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* BigLippedAlligatorMoment: the The scene between the princess and her maid, where the princess tried to learn English words, only to snicker when she discovers the words for "foot" and "gown" sound a lot like the French words for "fuck" and "cunt." Not particularly relevant to the plot of the play, and probably only included so that a) Shakespeare could poke fun at the French language and b) Catherine's identity and role would be established rather than just showing up at the ''very'' end of the play for Henry to woo. It stands out even more [[RealityHasNoSubtitles if the scene goes untranslated]], meaning non-French speaking English-speaking audience members will be completely at a loss what is going on.
1st Feb '15 2:44:57 PM Ciara25
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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: When Henry begins to try to woo Catherine, she replies with "your Grace shall mock at me; I cannot speak your England." Henry's reaction - ''"Oh,"'' - is often played for laughs in various productions, as he's clearly thinking 'Oh ''CRAP.' ''

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* CrowningMomentOfFunny: When Henry begins to try to woo Catherine, she replies with "your Grace shall mock at me; I cannot speak your England." Henry's reaction - ''"Oh,"'' - is often played for laughs in various productions, as he's clearly thinking 'Oh 'She can barely speak English, I can barely speak French, oh ''CRAP.' ''
30th Dec '14 12:39:26 PM skazka
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** The Welsh soldier, Fluellen, is a bit like this in some circles -- it helps that he's seriously entertaining and deeply earnest about what he does.

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** The Welsh soldier, Fluellen, Fluellen is a bit like this in some circles -- it helps that he's seriously entertaining and deeply earnest about what he does.
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