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28th Mar '13 1:38:56 PM Austin

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* BrokenAesop: Harry says Tony told him it's good not to make the other guy hate oneself, because it's bad business, and thus makes nice with Snape. After Harry overrides the limits on his armor to defeat the troll, and is harmed by it, Tony comes in, blames Dumbledore for it, and when Dumbledore tries Legilimency on him ([[OutOfCharacterMoment as a first resort]]), threatens to rip his brain out and calls him a "coward". He further clarifies that if Dumbledore tried it on Harry, he would tear the Hogwarts to pieces. Because destroying the premier magical education facility in the British Isles is a good way to deal with one corrupt headmaster.
** Later on in the fic, during a custody hearing, Harry threatens to bring down the wrath of God on the Ministry. Specifically, Thor. In other words, he threatens government officials with bodily harm. What was that about not making people hate him?
*** You mean the part where they were about to declare Tony's adoption of Harry "illegal" because Tony is a muggle and after Dumbledore had confiscated Harry's tech-suit and cut off communication with his family? Not to mention that the "Statute Of Secrecy" barring wizard and muggle relationships like adoption isn't legally recognized by most magic governments in this story, and that the American Department Of Magic clearly has no problem working with muggles.
**** He still threatened government officials with bodily harm. Even if the "wrath of god" is metaphorical, it still means bringing Asgard into the conflict.
*** When a rogue state is attempting to hold foreign citizens hostage and nationalizing their property, that ''is'' considered legitimate grounds for declaring war...
** Harry says the term {{Muggle}} is condescending. He suggests "Mundane", which, by definition, implies that wizards are special. In other words, it condescends. And throughout the fic, both characters and the author condescend about how Marvel is better than the Wizarding World.
*** But the term {{Muggle}} IS condescending, even in canon. You can argue that some characters who use the term just don't know any better, like Ron, and that the term isn't ''always'' derogatory(like the [[NWordPrivileges N-Word]] being used in RealLife for example), but {{Muggle}} is clearly thrown about to emphasize that non-wizards are inferior. I took Harry's suggestion of the term "Mundane" to just mean someone born without wizard powers. It's very common in Marvel to label people who have powers simply to emphasize that they have powers, and nothing more.
**** The word "Muggle" is a categorization. Wizards tend to use it in a condescending manner, because they are themselves condescending. It is possible to use "African-Americans" in a racist way, given certain contexts and inflictions, but that does not make the term inherently racist. At this point, Harry has been in the Wizarding World for all of a few hours, and you can't make cultural assessments of word usage from a few kids on a train.
**** Actually, in this story(however briefly), it's shown that American wizards treat non-wizard people with respect and think of them as equals, to the point that every North American country(USA, Canada, and Mexico) has abandoned the Statute Of Secrecy. To be fair though, it's also because there are characters in Marvel who WAY ''WAY'' more powerful than any HP wizard or witch. And IIRC, Harry first suggested the term "mundane" when in the Great Hall with Draco, at least several days since he made it to Hogwarts. It wasn't on the train.

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* OneSceneWonder: Thor, in all his [[LargeHam hamtastic]], [[ChewingTheScenery scenery chewing]] glory.
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: Grab any chapter. ANY CHAPTER. If you don't found at least three by the end you are reading the wrong fic.
* StrawLoser: Severus, Dumbledore, Fudge... pretty much the fic is a continual "You suck" to the Magical World and the Potterverse.
** I don't think it's a "you suck" message so much as showing what happens when the Wizarding World is propped up against the MarvelUniverse. I'm a huge Harry Potter fan myself, but even this troper can admit that the technology and magic in ''that'' universe( or in the DCUniverse for that matter) is far more powerful than PotterVerse magic. It's not that Marvel or DC is better than Harry Potter. For instance I would say that Marvel is more powerful than the magic displayed in the Legandarium of Creator/JRRTolkien. Tolkien's works are classics in a way that the majority of Marvel comics can never be, but that doesn't take away the fact that Marvel characters can kick the asses of most LordOfTheRings characters. That's all it is, a power disparity.
*** It's not just power disparity. A lot of people act OOC just to make the Marvel side look better. Either that, or the author sincerely thinks that Dumbledore's first response to Tony threatening to bring the school down around his ears would be Legilimency.
*** Well, if you wanted to find out if Tony actually had the power to do what he was threatening or not, what would ''your'' first step be?
**** If I was a man who is canonically prone to talking things through, respecting my opponents, and using power lightly, I'd try to find out some other way, and let Tony leave thinking he won.
*** In simple terms: Marvel is always right, Potterverse is always wrong.
**** Harry has the Troll incident. Harry chooses to override the safety limiters on his armor to deal with it, and it nearly kills him. Tony blames Dumbledore for this. This is portrayed as reasonable and heroic. The funny thing is, they find out Quirrell was behind it shortly therafter, but Dumbledore is still portrayed in the wrong...for not detecting him sooner and/or dealing with him as easily as Angela Harkness did.
***** Considering that things like background checks are a pretty standard part of hiring for virtually any position outside the Wizarding world (where, it should be noted, Tony is a successful businessman), let alone jobs such as teaching where one is placed as an authority figure for minors, a simple check for possession really isn't asking for much.
*** Alternate view: In order to keep British Wizarding society close to canon while MU heroes and threats are around, their insular nature and ignorance of the Muggle world is taken UpToEleven to keep them from noticing the Marvel side of the equation until it gets in their face.
**** But that is, by definition, ''out of character''. Even Dumbledore, arguably the most tolerant person in canon, is wildly OOC.
**** He has to deal with beings that could destroy him with a snap of their fingers. Someone who is used of being the top honcho would not be happy at that. Plus he is in a situation beyond his control. Losing his prophesed saviour who has fallen into an environment that Dumbledore has no hope of controlling. Canon Dumbledore was very controlling and he was never shown in a situation he could not control. Even in the fifth book when his name was being smeared Dumbles was still Headmaster and managed to stop a KangarooCourt by reputation alone.

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