History YMMV / Hannibal

25th May '16 8:22:31 PM yin_13147
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* CatharsisFactor: Whether you like Hannibal or hate him, it's hard to not cheer Jack on when [[spoiler: he gives Hannibal the beating of his life in "Contorno", especially after all that he had done to almost everyone else in the cast.]]
21st May '16 4:46:46 AM yin_13147
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* AlasPoorVillain: While all fans unanimously agree that Hannibal [[spoiler: was at [[KickTheDog his]] [[DisproportionateRetribution most]] [[TheBadGuyWins monstrous]] in "Mizumono",]] it's difficult to not feel even a tinge of sympathy for him when [[spoiler: he expresses his hurt over Will's betrayal.]]



* CryForTheDevil: While all fans unanimously agree that Hannibal [[spoiler: was at [[KickTheDog his]] [[DisproportionateRetribution most]] [[TheBadGuyWins monstrous]] in "Mizumono", it's difficult to not feel even a tinge of sympathy for him when he expresses his hurt over Will's betrayal.]]
4th May '16 6:56:31 AM yin_13147
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* CryForTheDevil: While all fans unanimously agree that Hannibal [[spoiler: was at his most monstrous in "Mizumono", it's difficult to not feel even a tinge of sympathy for him when he expresses his sorrow and fury over Will's betrayal.]]

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* CryForTheDevil: While all fans unanimously agree that Hannibal [[spoiler: was at his most monstrous [[KickTheDog his]] [[DisproportionateRetribution most]] [[TheBadGuyWins monstrous]] in "Mizumono", it's difficult to not feel even a tinge of sympathy for him when he expresses his sorrow and fury hurt over Will's betrayal.]]
4th May '16 5:06:57 AM yin_13147
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* CryForTheDevil: While all fans unanimously agree that Hannibal [[spoiler: was at his most monstrous in "Mizumono", it's difficult to not feel even a tinge of sympathy for him when he expresses his sorrow and fury over Will's betrayal.]]
1st May '16 3:19:38 PM yin_13147
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** In Season 2, his therapist, Bedelia du Maurier, tells Will Graham that she believes that Hannibal ''does'' care about him.

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** In Season 2, his therapist, Bedelia du Maurier, tells Will Graham that she believes that Hannibal ''does'' care about him.



** Katherine the bee killer. [[spoiler: Did she confess because she knew she was caught, or did she never consider what she did a secret, and simply hadn't mentioned it because no one had asked.]]

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** Katherine the bee killer. [[spoiler: Did she confess because she knew she was caught, or did she never consider what she did a secret, and simply hadn't mentioned it because no one had asked.]]asked?]]



** Hugh Dancy was one of many actors who screen tested for the role of Lecter in ''Hannibal Rising''.
*** Even more ironic given the final shot of Hugh Dancy in the Season 1 finale.

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** Hugh Dancy was one of many actors who screen tested for the role of Hannibal Lecter in ''Hannibal Rising''.
*** Even
Rising''. This is even more ironic ironic, given the final shot of Hugh Dancy in the Season 1 finale.



** The ''Film/XMenFirstClass''[=/=]''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' fandom has coined the term "Mutant husbands" to describe Charles Xavier's and Erik Lehnsherr's homoerotic friendship, and considering that Will is very similar to Charles (you can read a more detailed comparison in the ShoutOut section of the [[Series/{{Hannibal}} main page]], but for the sake of this entry, it's enough to know that Xavier is a [[TheEmpath mind-reader]] who is physically and emotionally scarred by his abusive love-hate relationship with the murderous Erik--heck, Creator/JamesMcAvoy and Hugh Dancy even look somewhat alike), all Cherik shippers burst out laughing hearing Freddie Lounds call Graham and Lecter "Murder husbands."

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** The ''Film/XMenFirstClass''[=/=]''Film/XMenDaysOfFuturePast'' fandom has coined the term "Mutant husbands" to describe Charles Xavier's and Erik Lehnsherr's homoerotic friendship, and considering that Will is very similar to Charles (you can read a more detailed comparison in the ShoutOut section of the [[Series/{{Hannibal}} main page]], but for the sake of this entry, it's enough to know that Xavier is a [[TheEmpath mind-reader]] who is physically and emotionally scarred by his abusive love-hate relationship with the murderous Erik--heck, Creator/JamesMcAvoy and Hugh Dancy even look somewhat alike), all Cherik shippers burst out laughing hearing Freddie Lounds call Graham Will and Lecter Hannibal "Murder husbands."



** Also, [=ChillyWilly=] for Chilton and Will.

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** Also, Hannidelia for Hannibal and Bedelia.
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[=ChillyWilly=] for Chilton and Will.



* HarsherInHindsight: When the Italian detective is scrolling through the FBI website, looking for information on Lecter, one of the pictures he passes by is that of Osama bin Laden. The movie was released in February 2001, 7 months before the 9/11 attacks (bin Laden was originally put on the list for the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Africa, amongst other terrorist attacks).

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* HarsherInHindsight: When the Italian detective is scrolling through the FBI website, looking for information on Lecter, Hannibal, one of the pictures he passes by is that of Osama bin Laden. The movie was released in February 2001, 7 months before the 9/11 attacks (bin Laden was originally put on the list for the 1998 bombings of US embassies in Africa, amongst other terrorist attacks).
28th Apr '16 9:08:25 AM yin_13147
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** In the series finale, when Will hatches a plan to [[spoiler: fake Hannibal's escape so he can have both Hannibal and Dolarhyde killed. Was he secretly intending to kill Dolarhyde and have Hannibal escape for real, with him joining the latter? Or did he really plan to have both of them dead, only changing his mind about killing Hannibal in the last second?]]
27th Apr '16 3:54:39 AM yin_13147
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* MoralEventHorizon: Despite the fact that Hannibal is an amoral serial killer and cannibal, many still found him entertaining and likable to an extent. However, by end of the finale, when he [[spoiler: murdered Abigail and framed Will for it,]] people were [[{{Understatement}} quite upset]].

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* MoralEventHorizon: MoralEventHorizon:
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Despite the fact that Hannibal is an amoral serial killer and cannibal, many still found him entertaining and likable to an extent. However, by end of the finale, when he [[spoiler: murdered Abigail and framed Will for it,]] people were [[{{Understatement}} quite upset]]. And that was just the beginning.



** "Margolana" or "Marlana" started showing up immediately after Margot Verger and Alana Bloom's first scene together.

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** "Margolana" or "Marlana" Margolana/Marlana started showing up immediately after Margot Verger and Alana Bloom's first scene together.



* SpoiledByTheFormat: A weird one caused by another show, as Laurence Fishburne was cast on ''Series/{{Blackish}}'' after Season 2, which involved a well-publicized explanation of how he would split his time between the two shows. Naturally, this gave away that Crawford would survive his injuries from the cliffhanger.

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* SpoiledByTheFormat: A weird one caused by another show, as Laurence Fishburne was cast on ''Series/{{Blackish}}'' after Season 2, which involved a well-publicized explanation of how he would split his time between the two shows. Naturally, this gave away that Crawford Jack would survive his injuries from the cliffhanger.



* WhatAnIdiot: Beverly [[spoiler:has Hannibal dead to rights with the evidence in his fridge, so why go down to his basement? And without calling for backup first? Though it does say something that the only way they could think to kill her off was to pass her the IdiotBall.]]

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* WhatAnIdiot: WhatAnIdiot:
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Beverly [[spoiler:has Hannibal dead to rights with the evidence in his fridge, so why go down to his basement? And without calling for backup first? Though it does say something that the only way they could think to kill her off was to pass her the IdiotBall.]]
25th Apr '16 7:51:34 PM yin_13147
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* AwesomeMusic: Siouxsie Sioux's & Brian Reitzell's hauntingly beautiful [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodPtK1tpXc "Love Crime"]] song which plays over the final scene and end credits of "The Wrath of the Lamb."
** A lot of the soundtrack, especially if you're a fan of early Music/PinkFloyd.

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* AwesomeMusic: AwesomeMusic:
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Siouxsie Sioux's & Brian Reitzell's hauntingly beautiful [[https://www.song "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QodPtK1tpXc "Love Crime"]] song Love Crime]]", which plays over the final scene and end credits of "The Wrath of the Lamb."
** A lot "[[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn3ABpCNJrs Bloodfest]]", the instrumental piece that plays during the final ten minutes of "Mizumono".
** Most
of the soundtrack, soundtrack counts, especially if you're a fan of early Music/PinkFloyd.
25th Apr '16 12:19:29 AM yin_13147
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** In Season 2, his therapist, Dr. du Maurier, tells Will Graham that she believes that Hannibal ''does'' care about him.

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** In Season 2, his therapist, Dr. Bedelia du Maurier, tells Will Graham that she believes that Hannibal ''does'' care about him.



** Making practically any assertion about Dr. du Maurier is walking an uneasy line between Alternate Character Interpretation and EpilepticTrees. Does she really know what Hannibal is and what (who?) she was eating? [[VillainousFriendship Is she his partner]]? [[StockholmSyndrome His captive]]? Then there's how interpreting Dr. du Maurier's character changes interpretations about Hannibal's: if she knows and he knows she knows, why bother with the 'person suit'? Furthermore, why [[spoiler: weep for Abigail]] and why profess friendship for Will? Does the intimacy of their sessions mean his feelings towards Will and Abigail are genuine (though still filtered through his inability to feel genuine empathy) or is he employing her as a sounding board for nitpicking and refining his performance of humanity?
** The question of the relationship between Hannibal and Dr. du Maurier is underlined in "Mizumono", when [[spoiler: TheStinger shows the two of them boarding a plane (presumably to France) after Hannibal outwits and butchers the rest of the main cast.]] The Season 3 opening episode implies that [[spoiler:even ''she'' isn't sure what's going on with her and Hannibal.]]

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** Making practically any assertion about Dr. du Maurier Bedelia is walking an uneasy line between Alternate Character Interpretation and EpilepticTrees. Does she really know what Hannibal is and what (who?) she was eating? [[VillainousFriendship Is she his partner]]? [[StockholmSyndrome His captive]]? Then there's how interpreting Dr. du Maurier's Bedelia's character changes interpretations about Hannibal's: if she knows and he knows she knows, why bother with the 'person suit'? Furthermore, why [[spoiler: weep for Abigail]] and why profess friendship for Will? Does the intimacy of their sessions mean his feelings towards Will and Abigail are genuine (though still filtered through his inability to feel genuine empathy) or is he employing her as a sounding board for nitpicking and refining his performance of humanity?
** The question of the relationship between Hannibal and Dr. du Maurier Bedelia is underlined in "Mizumono", when [[spoiler: TheStinger shows the two of them boarding a plane (presumably to France) after Hannibal outwits and butchers the rest of the main cast.]] The Season 3 opening episode implies that [[spoiler:even ''she'' isn't sure what's going on with her and Hannibal.]]



** In the show itself, "... And the Woman Clothed with the Sun" has Freddie Lounds refer to Will Graham and Hannibal as "murder husbands" in print, reflecting their time spent together in Europe. Murder Husbands has been their [[IdiosyncraticShipNaming Idiosyncratic Ship Name]] within the fandom since the show's first season.

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** In the show itself, "... And the Woman Clothed with the Sun" has Freddie Lounds refer to Will Graham and Hannibal as "murder husbands" in print, reflecting their time spent together in Europe. Murder Husbands has been their [[IdiosyncraticShipNaming Idiosyncratic Ship Name]] within the fandom since the show's first season.



* AuthorsSavingThrow: After Season 2 attracted a ton of controversy for killing off one of the few major Asian characters on American television, Season 3 introduces a new one who also becomes a partner to Will.

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* AuthorsSavingThrow: AuthorsSavingThrow:
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After Season 2 attracted a ton of controversy for killing off one of the few major Asian characters on American television, Season 3 introduces a new one who also becomes a partner to Will.



** Many people will argue viciously whether or not Will Graham is canonically autistic.

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** Many people will argue viciously whether or not Will Graham is canonically autistic.



** In "Coquilles", Graham claims that angels having wings is a secular belief, and that angels in scripture don't have them... except there are at least ''two'' examples in the Bible of angels not only having wings but a record of their number; six. Admittedly those were seraphim, but they still count as angels.

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** In "Coquilles", Graham Will claims that angels having wings is a secular belief, and that angels in scripture don't have them... except there are at least ''two'' examples in the Bible of angels not only having wings but a record of their number; six. Admittedly those were seraphim, but they still count as angels.



* FoeYay: Tobias and Hannibal's interactions looked like flirting, and that's without mentioning the meaning behind the piece playing at the background of their dinner, or [[AmbiguouslyGay Tobias']] sexual orientation.

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* FoeYay: FoeYay:
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Tobias and Hannibal's interactions looked like flirting, and that's without mentioning the meaning behind the piece playing at the background of their dinner, or [[AmbiguouslyGay Tobias']] sexual orientation.



** A great many things about Lecter -- from the architecture and color placement in his office to ''how he holds his fork'' -- are indicative of his God Complex.

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** A great many things about Lecter Hannibal -- from the architecture and color placement in his office to ''how he holds his fork'' -- are indicative of his God Complex.



--->'''Graham''': I always feel a little nervous going into these places.\\
'''Crawford''': Why's that?\\
'''Graham''': I'm afraid they won't let me out.\\
'''Crawford''': Don't worry, I won't leave you here.\\
'''Graham''': Yeah, not today.

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--->'''Graham''': --->'''Will''': I always feel a little nervous going into these places.\\
'''Crawford''': '''Jack''': Why's that?\\
'''Graham''': '''Will''': I'm afraid they won't let me out.\\
'''Crawford''': '''Jack''': Don't worry, I won't leave you here.\\
'''Graham''': '''Will''': Yeah, not today.



* IAmNotShazam: People who hadn't seen the first season could be forgiven for thinking that [[spoiler: Hugh Dancy was playing Hannibal Lecter]] as promotional posters for season two depicted [[spoiler: Will Graham in a padded cell looking sinister and wearing the iconic Hannibal Lecter mouthguard]]

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* IAmNotShazam: People who hadn't seen the first season could be forgiven for thinking that [[spoiler: Hugh Dancy was playing Hannibal Lecter]] as promotional posters for the second season two depicted [[spoiler: Will Graham in a padded cell looking sinister and wearing the iconic Hannibal Lecter mouthguard]] mouthguard.]]



** It's very easy to see Lecter and Graham in this.
** Lecter/Abigail is the het version, with a bonus [[MentorShip mentor angle]].

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** It's very easy to see Lecter Hannibal and Graham in Will as this.
** Lecter/Abigail Hannibal/Abigail is the het version, with a bonus [[MentorShip mentor angle]].



** Crawford bellowing "USE THE LADIES' ROOM!" to the random FBI agent who unwittingly enters the bathroom while he's having a private conversation with Graham. It's so loud and jarring that you can hardly help but laugh.

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** Crawford Jack bellowing "USE THE LADIES' ROOM!" to the random FBI agent who unwittingly enters the bathroom while he's having a private conversation with Graham.Will. It's so loud and jarring that you can hardly help but laugh.



** Francis' insistence that he is The Great Red Dragon might remind one of the infamous [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fck-you-im-a-dragon Fuck you! I'm a dragon!]] meme.

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** Francis' Francis Dolarhyde's insistence that he is The Great Red Dragon might remind one of the infamous [[http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fck-you-im-a-dragon Fuck you! I'm a dragon!]] meme.



** "Margolana" started showing up immediately after Margot Verger and Alana Bloom's first scene together.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: Not quite completely rescued, but Freddie Lounds received a lot of appreciation from fans after in "Rôti" [[spoiler:she's tricked into getting kidnapped by a serial killer and forced to watch him perform a vivisection on a man while he's still conscious]] and despite naturally being horrified and disturbed manages to remain calm and hold herself together instead of [[IdiotBall doing anything stupid]] in a difficult and terrifying situation.

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** "Margolana" or "Marlana" started showing up immediately after Margot Verger and Alana Bloom's first scene together.
* RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap: RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap:
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Not quite completely rescued, but Freddie Lounds received a lot of appreciation from fans after in "Rôti" "Rôti". In the episode, [[spoiler:she's tricked into getting kidnapped by a serial killer and forced to watch him perform a vivisection on a man while he's still conscious]] conscious]], and despite naturally being horrified and disturbed disturbed, she manages to remain calm and hold herself together instead of [[IdiotBall doing anything stupid]] in a difficult and terrifying situation.



** After traveling with the JerkassBall and IdiotBall for the middle portion of Season 2, Alana's tough, competent self comes roaring back in "Ko No Mono". [[spoiler: By "Mizumono", she's willing to shoot Hannibal in cold blood!]] This continues in Season 3, as she becomes something of TheStoic and [[spoiler:[[FanPreferredCouple joins up with Margot]]]] for an elaborate scheme to bring down Mason Verger ''and'' Hannibal Lecter.

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** After traveling with the JerkassBall and IdiotBall for the middle portion of Season 2, Alana's tough, competent self comes roaring back in "Ko No no Mono". [[spoiler: By "Mizumono", she's willing to shoot Hannibal in cold blood!]] This continues in Season 3, as she becomes something of TheStoic and [[spoiler:[[FanPreferredCouple joins up with Margot]]]] for an elaborate scheme to bring down Mason Verger ''and'' Hannibal Lecter.



** Graham/Lecter versus Hannibal/Clarice.

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** Graham/Lecter Hannibal/Will versus Hannibal/Clarice.



** In season 3, [[spoiler:Hannibal is confirmed to be in love with Will.]]



** Will. When he relived the [[spoiler: murder of the night nurse]] in Episode 6, he has tears in his eyes. [[spoiler: Watching Will being deceived, driven to madness, and framed for murder by a man he trusted was devastating.]] Also, Abigail Hobbs, [[spoiler:who was forced to cooperate with her father's crimes, then manipulated and murdered by Hannibal.]]

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** Will. When he relived the [[spoiler: murder of the night nurse]] in Episode 6, he has tears in his eyes. [[spoiler: Watching Will being deceived, driven to madness, and framed for murder by a man he trusted was devastating.]] Also, Abigail Hobbs, ]]
** Abigail,
[[spoiler:who was forced to cooperate with her father's crimes, then manipulated and murdered by Hannibal.]]



** Margot Verger. Her parents disowned her for being a lesbian and her brother is a PsychopathicManchild with a thing for flesh-eating pigs. It gets even worse after Mason [[spoiler:forcibly removes her uterus to prevent her from having a male child and thus being free of him.]]

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** Margot Verger.Margot. Her parents disowned her for being a lesbian and her brother is a PsychopathicManchild with a thing for flesh-eating pigs. It gets even worse after Mason [[spoiler:forcibly removes her uterus to prevent her from having a male child and thus being free of him.]]



* BrokenBase: One half of the fans argue that the movie is a large improvement of the book, but the other half likes the book but loathes the movie. There's also a large segment which despises the book ''and'' the movie for turning Lecter into an AntiHero of sorts, how Clarice's character is handled (her romance with Lecter in the novel, aspects of that remaining in the film, recasting Foster with Moore, etc.) and an overall sense of try-hard {{Narm}} that can be seen throughout it.
* CompleteMonster: Mason Verger is a warped pedophile who had the misfortune to run afoul of Hannibal and ended up disfigured and crippled in a wheelchair for it. Seeking revenge, Verger murders and schemes so he can capture Hannibal and feed him to specially trained wild pigs. Now impotent, Verger obtains satisfaction by [[WouldHurtAChild torturing and abusing children]] and drinks martinis made from their tears. Verger also uses his own sister as a servant, having kept her in line with a series of violent rapes earlier in life. Fortunately, the film only implies he was a pædophile, [[LikeFatherLikeSon like his father]], with any other gruesome details pertaining solely to his RoaringRampageOfRevenge.

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* BrokenBase: One half of the fans argue that the movie is a large improvement of the book, but the other half likes the book but loathes the movie. There's also a large segment which despises the book ''and'' the movie for turning Lecter Hannibal into an AntiHero of sorts, how Clarice's character is handled (her romance with Lecter Hannibal in the novel, aspects of that remaining in the film, recasting Foster with Moore, etc.) and an overall sense of try-hard {{Narm}} that can be seen throughout it.
* CompleteMonster: Mason Verger is a warped pedophile who had the misfortune to run afoul of Hannibal and ended up disfigured and crippled in a wheelchair for it. Seeking revenge, Verger Mason murders and schemes so he can capture Hannibal and feed him to specially trained wild pigs. Now impotent, Verger Mason obtains satisfaction by [[WouldHurtAChild torturing and abusing children]] and drinks martinis made from their tears. Verger Mason also uses his own sister as a servant, having kept her in line with a series of violent rapes earlier in life. Fortunately, the film only implies he was a pædophile, [[LikeFatherLikeSon like his father]], with any other gruesome details pertaining solely to his RoaringRampageOfRevenge.



** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Though in hindsight, comparing it to the insanely brutal and over-the-top "artistic" murders in the 2013 series, eating someones brain might come across as rather quaint today. [[spoiler: As if to drive this point home, the series replicates the scene with Will Graham in place of Krendler. Lecter doesn't actually get to eat Will's brain as they are interrupted, but they nevertheless top it by showing us Lecter ''drilling into Grahams' skull while Jack Crawford watches''.]]

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** SeinfeldIsUnfunny: Though in hindsight, comparing it to the insanely brutal and over-the-top "artistic" murders in the 2013 series, eating someones brain might come across as rather quaint today. [[spoiler: As if to drive this point home, the series replicates the scene with Will Graham in place of Krendler. Lecter Hannibal doesn't actually get to eat Will's brain as they are interrupted, but they nevertheless top it by showing us Lecter Hannibal ''drilling into Grahams' Will's skull while Jack Crawford watches''.]]
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** While the viewers enjoyed the dynamics between Hannibal and Will in the first two seasons, Season 3 divided the base when it's confirmed that Hannibal and Will are in love with each other. Some people are cool with it since it mirrors Hannibal and Clarice Starling's relationship. Others find it as [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to slash shippers]] and some of them prefer the Hannibal/Clarice ship from the movies instead. As expected, it leads to ShipToShipCombat.

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** While the viewers enjoyed the dynamics between Hannibal and Will in the first two seasons, Season 3 divided the base when it's confirmed that Hannibal and Will are in love with each other. Some people are cool with it since it mirrors Hannibal and Clarice Starling's relationship. Others find it as [[PanderingToTheBase pandering to slash shippers]] (or they just don't like [[SarcasmMode icky gay stuff]] in their cool murder shows) and some of them prefer the Hannibal/Clarice ship from the movies instead. As expected, it leads to ShipToShipCombat.
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