History YMMV / Hamlet

12th Apr '16 6:42:40 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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** On one hand, seeing so many well-known faces in the Branagh version is impressive. On the other, it can ring up ''many'' giggles due to the HeyItsThatGuy effects.
23rd Dec '15 2:32:50 AM LahmacunKebab
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** After a ''really'' bad film version was shown on ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' "Cut his throat in a church!" started to gain popularity

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** After a ''really'' bad film version was shown on ''Series/MysteryScienceTheater3000'' "Cut his throat in a church!" started to gain popularitypopularity.
23rd Dec '15 2:32:35 AM LahmacunKebab
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*** One issue raised in the play itself is the question of whether the Ghost is indeed his spirit or simply a demon impersonating him (or if it is him, he's incompetent). The Ghost leaves when the cock crows, a behavior associated with evil spirits, and he purports to be suffering in flames and torment, which could mean he comes from Purgatory, but this concept was rejected by Protestantism (the play is ambiguous/inconsistent about its religious background). In terms of intention, the Ghost is extorting Hamlet to do something arguably immoral (under the view that only God should take revenge on sinners), and his commands lead to the deaths of tons of people, including some (e.g. his son and wife) who King Hamlet would presumably want to live.



*** One issue raised in the play itself is the question of whether the Ghost is indeed his spirit or simply a demon impersonating him (or if it is him, he's incompetent). The Ghost leaves when the cock crows, a behavior associated with evil spirits, and he purports to be suffering in flames and torment, which could mean he comes from Purgatory, but this concept was rejected by Protestantism (the play is ambiguous/inconsistent about its religious background). In terms of intention, the Ghost is extorting Hamlet to do something arguably immoral (under the view that only God should take revenge on sinners), and his commands lead to the deaths of tons of people, including some (e.g. his son and wife) who King Hamlet would presumably want to live.



* MagnificentBastard: Hamlet used a play to determine if his uncle really was guilty, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard turned his uncles plots to kill Hamlet against him]] and used his last action before his death to prevent a succession crisis.

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* MagnificentBastard: Hamlet used a play to determine if his uncle really was guilty, [[HoistByHisOwnPetard turned his uncles uncle's plots to kill Hamlet against him]] and used his last action before his death to prevent a succession crisis.
23rd Dec '15 2:29:27 AM LahmacunKebab
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*** From the play one could walk away with the impression that the King was a cold, stern, warmongering bastard in life and Denmark is better off with him dead, even if he was killed for selfish motives. One notes how Hamlet seems to care more about him than his mother, partly because she married Claudius and did so shortly after her husbands death: was he a crap husband and is she relieved he's gone? And was he a cold and distant WellDoneSonGuy Hamlet has a higher opinion of than he should? Does he want justice for his death or revenge? Or does he see no difference? Maybe he died because he was a crap brother too?

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*** From the play one could walk away with the impression that the King was a cold, stern, warmongering bastard in life and Denmark is better off with him dead, even if he was killed for selfish motives. One notes how Hamlet seems to care more about him than his mother, partly because she married Claudius and did so shortly after her husbands husband's death: was he a crap husband and is she relieved he's gone? And was he a cold and distant WellDoneSonGuy Hamlet has a higher opinion of than he should? Does he want justice for his death or revenge? Or does he see no difference? Maybe he died because he was a crap brother too?
28th Nov '15 7:35:09 PM vifetoile
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*** Driven mad due to having to hide her pregnancy from her father, brother, and lover?

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*** Driven mad due to having [[MySecretPregnancy to hide her pregnancy pregnancy]] from her father, brother, and lover?
14th Nov '15 11:13:02 PM nombretomado
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*** Loving mother forced to marry her brother-in-law to save her son's life or deceitful accomplice in a palace coup? (Some believe that Hamlet's emphasis on revenge over capturing the throne for himself implies that Gertrude was the queen regnant, and both Hamlet's father and Claudius were only kings consort -- which at the time would have made them the rulers, not her. If this is the case, the play may also have been in part Shakespeare's approval of Elizabeth I's unmarried status. RogerEbert and others note that Gertrude may being practical to avoid a power vacuum that would invite usurpation of the throne.)

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*** Loving mother forced to marry her brother-in-law to save her son's life or deceitful accomplice in a palace coup? (Some believe that Hamlet's emphasis on revenge over capturing the throne for himself implies that Gertrude was the queen regnant, and both Hamlet's father and Claudius were only kings consort -- which at the time would have made them the rulers, not her. If this is the case, the play may also have been in part Shakespeare's approval of Elizabeth I's unmarried status. RogerEbert Creator/RogerEbert and others note that Gertrude may being practical to avoid a power vacuum that would invite usurpation of the throne.)
24th Oct '15 5:59:19 PM letatcestmoi
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** Laertes and Ophelia. Laertes even gets into a tussle with Hamlet over who loves her more, and he shows a fascination with her sex life (or lack of).
16th Oct '15 9:03:05 AM gmonkey42
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** '''Hamlet''': Insane, or faking it? TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth prince manipulated into evil[[note]]No, seriously; this was in vogue in the 19th century.[[/note]]? Deeply troubled youth wrestling with moral and honor codes? Spineless whiny git who killed in cold blood many times before hitting his actual mark? Misogynistic, Oedipal, whiny jerk? NonActionGuy {{Bookworm}} who would prefer to be back at school studying or writing more poetry for his girlfriend instead of carrying out the unsavory task of murder, unlike his predecessors in the Revenge Tragedies his story [[{{deconstruction}} deconstructs]]? A total [[TheSociopath sociopath?]] Suffering from multiple personality disorder[[note]]Hamlet's has been played by two different people in some versions of the play, with each one having a different personality and lines.[[/note]]? All of the above?

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** '''Hamlet''': Insane, or faking it? TooGoodForThisSinfulEarth prince manipulated into evil[[note]]No, seriously; this was in vogue in the 19th century.[[/note]]? Deeply troubled youth wrestling with moral and honor codes? Spineless whiny git who killed in cold blood many times before hitting his actual mark? Misogynistic, Oedipal, whiny jerk? NonActionGuy {{Bookworm}} who would prefer to be back at school studying or writing more poetry for his girlfriend instead of carrying out the unsavory task of murder, unlike his predecessors in the Revenge Tragedies his story [[{{deconstruction}} deconstructs]]? A total [[TheSociopath sociopath?]] Suffering from multiple personality disorder[[note]]Hamlet's disorder[[note]]Hamlet has been played by two different people in some versions of the play, with each one having a different personality and lines.[[/note]]? All of the above?
28th Aug '15 9:28:15 AM k9feline7
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* DesignatedHero: After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.

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* DesignatedHero: After learning from the ghost of his father that his father was murdered by Claudius, Hamlet spends the next Act or so mocking and taunting Polonius, Rosencrantz, and Guildenstern, while also verbally abusing and SlutShaming Ophelia. What do all 4 of these characters have in common? All 4 of them had absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the murder of Hamlet's father. When Hamlet finally does something, he murders Polonius because he heard a voice behind some curtains and jumps to the conclusion that it must be Claudius. He then hides the body and jokes that everybody'll smell him soon enough. This murder drives Ophelia to insanity and her death (she may even have been DrivenToSuicide). Hamlet then deliberately brings about the deaths of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern [[DesignatedVillain despite little to no evidence that they actually did anything wrong.]] He finally gets around to the one person he was supposed to be killing, Claudius, only after the latter has poisoned Gertrude and gotten Laertes to poison Hamlet who then gets accidentally poisoned by Hamlet. So it could be argued that every death that occurs from the start of the play onward is all Hamlet's fault.
28th Aug '15 7:19:34 AM k9feline7
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* DesignatedVillain: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Since Claudius killed Hamlet's father all by himself, he'd have no reason to confide in them or anyone else about it. So R&G might not see anything vile about obeying his summons and check out their old friend, Hamlet, and see if they can find out what's wrong with him. When Claudius sends R&G to England with Hamlet, he gives them a sealed envelope for the English which orders Hamlet's immediate execution. Since these orders are sealed, ''[[UnwittingPawn there's nothing to indicate R&G knew what those sealed orders were.]]'' Yet when Hamlet breaks into their cabin and opens the seal and reads the order, he changes the order making it for R&G's immediate executions. Since Hamlet gets kidnapped by pirates on the way to England, [[FridgeHorror R&G would have no reason to deliver those sealed orders if they already knew what those orders were]].

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* DesignatedVillain: Rosencrantz and Guildenstern. Since Claudius killed Hamlet's father all by himself, he'd have no reason to confide in them or anyone else about it. So R&G might not see anything vile about obeying his summons and check out their old friend, Hamlet, and see if they can find out what's wrong with him. When Claudius sends R&G to England with Hamlet, he gives them a sealed envelope for the English which orders Hamlet's immediate execution. Since these orders are sealed, ''[[UnwittingPawn there's nothing to indicate R&G knew what those sealed orders were.]]'' Yet when Hamlet breaks into their cabin and opens the seal and reads the order, he changes the order making it for R&G's immediate executions. Since Hamlet gets kidnapped by pirates on the way to England, [[FridgeHorror R&G would have no reason to deliver those sealed orders if they already knew what those orders originally were]].
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