History YMMV / HajimeNoIppo

7th Dec '17 12:30:38 AM Smeagol17
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll.]]
Dudley from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.

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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll.]]
]] Dudley from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.
7th Dec '17 12:30:18 AM Smeagol17
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll.
Dudley from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.]]

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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll. \n]]
Dudley from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.]]
6th Dec '17 12:43:04 PM lalaTKG
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll. ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'''s Dudley uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.]]

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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll. ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'''s
Dudley from ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'' uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.]]
6th Dec '17 12:41:55 PM lalaTKG
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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll. Street Fighter IV's Dudley uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as Tekken's Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.]]

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* SignatureScene: [[spoiler: The scene where Ippo defeats Sendou with the Dempsey Roll has become so iconic that any work that has a Shout Out to Ippo will include an attack just like his Dempsey Roll. Street Fighter IV's ''VideoGame/StreetFighterIV'''s Dudley uses a Dempsey Roll shot for shot like Ippo's, as well as Tekken's ''VideoGame/{{Tekken}}'''s Steve Fox. Both based entirely on that scene.]]
28th Nov '17 8:28:16 PM theknack101
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** Itagaki's fight with Saeki was a particularly big example. Itagaki spent the first 4 rounds getting the utter shit beat out of him. There seemed to be no way he could possible make a come back, which some saw as comeuppance for his arrogant behavior before the match. [[spoiler:Then in the 5th round, he suddenly got a second wind and somehow managed to make his ''perception of time'' slow down. He preceded to wipe the floor with Saeki and get a new nickname in the process.]]
23rd Nov '17 1:30:16 AM Raikoh
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: In recent years, Kamogawa has come under fire as a piss poor coach in some people's opinions. Some think he's doing the best he can for Ippo and is the major reason why he's managed to come so far, while others think Kamogawa has done nothing but encourage reckless, outdated tactics that put Ippo at a disadvantage time and time again as well as such strategies [[spoiler: gradually leading to Ippo becoming punch drunk due to all the times he's taken hits to the face just to hit the opponent right back.]]
23rd Nov '17 1:04:25 AM Raikoh
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* BaseBreakingCharacter: In recent years, Kamogawa has come under fire as a piss poor coach in some people's opinions. Some think he's doing the best he can for Ippo and is the major reason why he's managed to come so far, while others think Kamogawa has done nothing but encourage reckless, outdated tactics that put Ippo at a disadvantage time and time again as well as such strategies [[spoiler: gradually leading to Ippo becoming punch drunk due to all the times he's taken hits to the face just to hit the opponent right back.]]
21st Oct '17 12:59:15 PM theknack101
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* TheScrappy: With the current running arc of [[spoiler:Ippo probably gaining brain damage from head trauma]], Kamogawa has retroactively become this in some circles. Looking back, he has given Ippo some pretty bad advice, such as at one point he advises Ippo that it can be a good idea to throw your head into an opponent's punch to stop them from fully extending and reaching maximum power. However, strictly speaking that's still throwing your face into someone's fist, and Kamogawa has never seriously trained Ippo in proper defensive techniques or dodging, which has led to Ippo basically getting the crap beaten out of his face in every fight. And to top it off, after going through a brain damage scare, Kamogawa only waited a few months before signing Ippo up for a come back fight, in which after taking a beating, Ippo starts stumbling all over the place and forgetting events that happened (such as getting knocked down) showing that the brain damage probably is really there.
2nd Sep '17 9:07:21 PM Angeldeb82
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** Particularly bad in the fight with Woli. [[spoiler: Somehow, all those tap goals Ippo was shooting for(literally drawn as him tapping Woli with a little puff of air) somehow all turn into a Tekken Punch that went COMPLETELY UNNOTICED and Woli is drawn as being magically held down by an Ippo spirit. Of course, this is combined with Ippo's usual invincibility to knockdowns, even after taking 50+ head punches that he himself called 'extremely sharp' - on top of this, his right eye is also COMPLETELY swollen shut and affects his vision... oh wait, no it doesn't, he still sees perfectly fine and has no issues at all. He then goes on to win, because we [[BoringInvincibleHero can't have Ippo losing]], can we? Even his finally punch is an AssPull, because he swings his arm to parry Woli's hit, then the artist draws Ippo rearing back with his left... and then he somehow throws a ''right cross counter'' that Woli cannot dodge instead. Literally one of the worst MartyStu examples for Ippo in the entire series.]]

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** Particularly bad in the fight with Woli. [[spoiler: Somehow, all those tap goals Ippo was shooting for(literally for (literally drawn as him tapping Woli with a little puff of air) somehow all turn into a Tekken Punch that went COMPLETELY UNNOTICED and Woli is drawn as being magically held down by an Ippo spirit. Of course, this is combined with Ippo's usual invincibility to knockdowns, even after taking 50+ head punches that he himself called 'extremely sharp' - on top of this, his right eye is also COMPLETELY swollen shut and affects his vision... oh wait, no it doesn't, he still sees perfectly fine and has no issues at all. He then goes on to win, because we [[BoringInvincibleHero [[InvincibleHero can't have Ippo losing]], can we? Even his finally punch is an AssPull, because he swings his arm to parry Woli's hit, then the artist draws Ippo rearing back with his left... and then he somehow throws a ''right cross counter'' that Woli cannot dodge instead. Literally one of the worst MartyStu examples for Ippo in the entire series.]]



* FauxSymbolism: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[JustForPun Hell, yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring.



** The fact that Ippo never retorts anything when other characters talk about his "lover", his "boyfriend" or how he "fell for him" doesn't help either
** Some {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s also consider this applicable to Ippo and Volg, who become good friends outside the ring. When [[spoiler:Volg had to go back to Russia after losing two fights in a row, Ippo rushes to the airport to see him before he leaves. Volg gives his boxing gloves to Ippo, while Ippo ''[[ManlyTears cries]]'' as Volg is walking away. Then, later on, they live together for a few days, while Ippo helps set him up for his comeback in America, and they act almost like life long friends with each other. It's so bad for Volg he knows he has to leave soon or he'll never want to leave.]]
* FriendlyFandoms: Has a bit of this and FandomRivalry with ''AshitaNoJoe'', both being boxing series published on the same magazine(albeit at different time periods). Still, the rivalry side is mostly civil, as most people enjoy both series for different reasons.

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** The fact that Ippo never retorts anything when other characters talk about his "lover", his "boyfriend" or how he "fell for him" doesn't help either
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** Some {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s also consider this applicable to Ippo and Volg, who become good friends outside the ring. When [[spoiler:Volg [[spoiler:When Volg had to go back to Russia after losing two fights in a row, Ippo rushes to the airport to see him before he leaves. Volg gives his boxing gloves to Ippo, while Ippo ''[[ManlyTears cries]]'' as Volg is walking away. Then, later on, they live together for a few days, while Ippo helps set him up for his comeback in America, and they act almost like life long friends with each other. It's so bad for Volg he knows he has to leave soon or he'll never want to leave.]]
* FriendlyFandoms: Has a bit of this and FandomRivalry with ''AshitaNoJoe'', ''Manga/AshitaNoJoe'', both being boxing series published on the same magazine(albeit magazine (albeit at different time periods). Still, the rivalry side is mostly civil, as most people enjoy both series for different reasons.



* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his fight with Date was the "biggest challenge he's ever had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problems with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.

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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] {{Downplayed|Trope}} version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his fight with Date was the "biggest challenge he's ever had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problems with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.



* NormalFishInATinyPond: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] and a (obviously) non-supernatural version of the trope; Ricardo Martinez can be seen in this way if WordOfGod is to be believed. See, [[WordOfGod Morikawa]] claims that Takamura is ''the'' number one boxer in the series and Martinez is only second. So, seeing as how Takamura has been pushed to his limit plenty of times while Martinez has never been so much as ''mildly'' challenged in his fights, that [[FridgeLogic logically]] implies that the Featherweight class is simply lacking in comparable talent and Martinez would be nowhere near as invincible if he had to fight in the higher weight classes.
* PeripheryDemographic: This is a show where half the characters are big, muscly dudes. [[CaptainObvious YOU DO THE MATH]]!

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* NormalFishInATinyPond: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] {{Inverted|Trope}} and a (obviously) non-supernatural version of the trope; Ricardo Martinez can be seen in this way if WordOfGod is to be believed. See, [[WordOfGod Morikawa]] claims that Takamura is ''the'' number one boxer in the series and Martinez is only second. So, seeing as how Takamura has been pushed to his limit plenty of times while Martinez has never been so much as ''mildly'' challenged in his fights, that [[FridgeLogic logically]] implies that the Featherweight class is simply lacking in comparable talent and Martinez would be nowhere near as invincible if he had to fight in the higher weight classes.
* PeripheryDemographic: This is a show where half the characters are big, muscly dudes. [[CaptainObvious YOU DO THE MATH]]!MATH!]]



* {{Squick}}: ''Everyone's'' reaction to Takamura groping Aoki's girlfriend Tomiko while she and Aoki were making out on the beach. Takamura ''does'' apologize, but his apology is, [[DiggingYourselfDeeper well...]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring

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* {{Squick}}: ''Everyone's'' reaction to Takamura groping Aoki's girlfriend Tomiko while she and Aoki were making out on the beach. Takamura ''does'' apologize, but his apology is, [[DiggingYourselfDeeper well...]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring
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19th Aug '17 4:25:16 PM AbsoulHero
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** Although, some of the difficulty Takamura has can be explained in a number of ways. Recardo doesn't have to handle severe weight management and unlike Takamura can fight in his best condition every fight whereas Takamura is usually seriously under-weight when he fights and isn't as strong as he could be at his natural weight. Also, Ricardo is far more composed than Takamura. Anytime Takamura had serious trouble was because his ego and pride made him do dumb mistakes not to mention how his temper constantly gets the better of him. meanwhile, Recardo always take his fights seriously and at the first sign an opponent might prove to be a challenge, will cut loose without holding back and focus on beating them into submission. No showing off or grandstanding. Ricardo will simply end his opponents.

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** Although, some of the difficulty Takamura has can be explained in a number of ways. Recardo Ricardo doesn't have to handle severe weight management and unlike Takamura can fight in his best condition every fight whereas Takamura is usually seriously under-weight when he fights and isn't as strong as he could be at his natural weight. Also, Ricardo is far more composed than Takamura. Anytime Takamura had serious trouble was because his ego and pride made him do dumb mistakes not to mention how his temper constantly gets the better of him. meanwhile, Recardo Ricardo always take takes his fights seriously and at the first sign an opponent might prove to be a challenge, will cut loose without holding back and focus on beating them into submission. No showing off or grandstanding. Ricardo will simply end his opponents.



* RootingForTheEmpire: Usually inverted when Japan cheers for Takamura as [[HeroWithBadPublicity Takamura's]] portrayed as the villain in fights. However, it's played straight in his fight against Peter Rabbitson. After 10 long rounds of Takamura swinging and missing and Peter Rabbitson dodging and avoiding without even ''trying'' to attack, the crowd gets fed up and starts to cheer for Rabbitson instead of Takamura, despite the fact that Takamura's loss means there will be no longer be an international champion from Japan. [[spoiler: Of course, in the end Rabbitson ends up losing by an AssPull by Takamura.]]

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Usually inverted when Japan cheers for Takamura as [[HeroWithBadPublicity Takamura's]] portrayed as the villain in fights. However, it's played straight in his fight against Peter Rabbitson. After 10 long rounds of Takamura swinging and missing and Peter Rabbitson dodging and avoiding without even ''trying'' to attack, the crowd gets fed up and starts to cheer for Rabbitson instead of Takamura, despite the fact that Takamura's loss means there will be no longer be an international champion from Japan. [[spoiler: Of course, in In the end end, Rabbitson ends up losing by an AssPull by to Takamura.]]
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