History YMMV / HajimeNoIppo

2nd Sep '17 9:07:21 PM Angeldeb82
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** Particularly bad in the fight with Woli. [[spoiler: Somehow, all those tap goals Ippo was shooting for(literally drawn as him tapping Woli with a little puff of air) somehow all turn into a Tekken Punch that went COMPLETELY UNNOTICED and Woli is drawn as being magically held down by an Ippo spirit. Of course, this is combined with Ippo's usual invincibility to knockdowns, even after taking 50+ head punches that he himself called 'extremely sharp' - on top of this, his right eye is also COMPLETELY swollen shut and affects his vision... oh wait, no it doesn't, he still sees perfectly fine and has no issues at all. He then goes on to win, because we [[BoringInvincibleHero can't have Ippo losing]], can we? Even his finally punch is an AssPull, because he swings his arm to parry Woli's hit, then the artist draws Ippo rearing back with his left... and then he somehow throws a ''right cross counter'' that Woli cannot dodge instead. Literally one of the worst MartyStu examples for Ippo in the entire series.]]

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** Particularly bad in the fight with Woli. [[spoiler: Somehow, all those tap goals Ippo was shooting for(literally for (literally drawn as him tapping Woli with a little puff of air) somehow all turn into a Tekken Punch that went COMPLETELY UNNOTICED and Woli is drawn as being magically held down by an Ippo spirit. Of course, this is combined with Ippo's usual invincibility to knockdowns, even after taking 50+ head punches that he himself called 'extremely sharp' - on top of this, his right eye is also COMPLETELY swollen shut and affects his vision... oh wait, no it doesn't, he still sees perfectly fine and has no issues at all. He then goes on to win, because we [[BoringInvincibleHero [[InvincibleHero can't have Ippo losing]], can we? Even his finally punch is an AssPull, because he swings his arm to parry Woli's hit, then the artist draws Ippo rearing back with his left... and then he somehow throws a ''right cross counter'' that Woli cannot dodge instead. Literally one of the worst MartyStu examples for Ippo in the entire series.]]



* FauxSymbolism: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[JustForPun Hell, yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring.



** The fact that Ippo never retorts anything when other characters talk about his "lover", his "boyfriend" or how he "fell for him" doesn't help either
** Some {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s also consider this applicable to Ippo and Volg, who become good friends outside the ring. When [[spoiler:Volg had to go back to Russia after losing two fights in a row, Ippo rushes to the airport to see him before he leaves. Volg gives his boxing gloves to Ippo, while Ippo ''[[ManlyTears cries]]'' as Volg is walking away. Then, later on, they live together for a few days, while Ippo helps set him up for his comeback in America, and they act almost like life long friends with each other. It's so bad for Volg he knows he has to leave soon or he'll never want to leave.]]
* FriendlyFandoms: Has a bit of this and FandomRivalry with ''AshitaNoJoe'', both being boxing series published on the same magazine(albeit at different time periods). Still, the rivalry side is mostly civil, as most people enjoy both series for different reasons.

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** The fact that Ippo never retorts anything when other characters talk about his "lover", his "boyfriend" or how he "fell for him" doesn't help either
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** Some {{Yaoi Fangirl}}s also consider this applicable to Ippo and Volg, who become good friends outside the ring. When [[spoiler:Volg [[spoiler:When Volg had to go back to Russia after losing two fights in a row, Ippo rushes to the airport to see him before he leaves. Volg gives his boxing gloves to Ippo, while Ippo ''[[ManlyTears cries]]'' as Volg is walking away. Then, later on, they live together for a few days, while Ippo helps set him up for his comeback in America, and they act almost like life long friends with each other. It's so bad for Volg he knows he has to leave soon or he'll never want to leave.]]
* FriendlyFandoms: Has a bit of this and FandomRivalry with ''AshitaNoJoe'', ''Manga/AshitaNoJoe'', both being boxing series published on the same magazine(albeit magazine (albeit at different time periods). Still, the rivalry side is mostly civil, as most people enjoy both series for different reasons.



* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his fight with Date was the "biggest challenge he's ever had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problems with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.

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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] {{Downplayed|Trope}} version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his fight with Date was the "biggest challenge he's ever had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problems with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.



* NormalFishInATinyPond: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] and a (obviously) non-supernatural version of the trope; Ricardo Martinez can be seen in this way if WordOfGod is to be believed. See, [[WordOfGod Morikawa]] claims that Takamura is ''the'' number one boxer in the series and Martinez is only second. So, seeing as how Takamura has been pushed to his limit plenty of times while Martinez has never been so much as ''mildly'' challenged in his fights, that [[FridgeLogic logically]] implies that the Featherweight class is simply lacking in comparable talent and Martinez would be nowhere near as invincible if he had to fight in the higher weight classes.
* PeripheryDemographic: This is a show where half the characters are big, muscly dudes. [[CaptainObvious YOU DO THE MATH]]!

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* NormalFishInATinyPond: [[InvertedTrope Inverted]] {{Inverted|Trope}} and a (obviously) non-supernatural version of the trope; Ricardo Martinez can be seen in this way if WordOfGod is to be believed. See, [[WordOfGod Morikawa]] claims that Takamura is ''the'' number one boxer in the series and Martinez is only second. So, seeing as how Takamura has been pushed to his limit plenty of times while Martinez has never been so much as ''mildly'' challenged in his fights, that [[FridgeLogic logically]] implies that the Featherweight class is simply lacking in comparable talent and Martinez would be nowhere near as invincible if he had to fight in the higher weight classes.
* PeripheryDemographic: This is a show where half the characters are big, muscly dudes. [[CaptainObvious YOU DO THE MATH]]!MATH!]]



* {{Squick}}: ''Everyone's'' reaction to Takamura groping Aoki's girlfriend Tomiko while she and Aoki were making out on the beach. Takamura ''does'' apologize, but his apology is, [[DiggingYourselfDeeper well...]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring

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* {{Squick}}: ''Everyone's'' reaction to Takamura groping Aoki's girlfriend Tomiko while she and Aoki were making out on the beach. Takamura ''does'' apologize, but his apology is, [[DiggingYourselfDeeper well...]]
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring
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19th Aug '17 4:25:16 PM AbsoulHero
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** Although, some of the difficulty Takamura has can be explained in a number of ways. Recardo doesn't have to handle severe weight management and unlike Takamura can fight in his best condition every fight whereas Takamura is usually seriously under-weight when he fights and isn't as strong as he could be at his natural weight. Also, Ricardo is far more composed than Takamura. Anytime Takamura had serious trouble was because his ego and pride made him do dumb mistakes not to mention how his temper constantly gets the better of him. meanwhile, Recardo always take his fights seriously and at the first sign an opponent might prove to be a challenge, will cut loose without holding back and focus on beating them into submission. No showing off or grandstanding. Ricardo will simply end his opponents.

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** Although, some of the difficulty Takamura has can be explained in a number of ways. Recardo Ricardo doesn't have to handle severe weight management and unlike Takamura can fight in his best condition every fight whereas Takamura is usually seriously under-weight when he fights and isn't as strong as he could be at his natural weight. Also, Ricardo is far more composed than Takamura. Anytime Takamura had serious trouble was because his ego and pride made him do dumb mistakes not to mention how his temper constantly gets the better of him. meanwhile, Recardo Ricardo always take takes his fights seriously and at the first sign an opponent might prove to be a challenge, will cut loose without holding back and focus on beating them into submission. No showing off or grandstanding. Ricardo will simply end his opponents.



* RootingForTheEmpire: Usually inverted when Japan cheers for Takamura as [[HeroWithBadPublicity Takamura's]] portrayed as the villain in fights. However, it's played straight in his fight against Peter Rabbitson. After 10 long rounds of Takamura swinging and missing and Peter Rabbitson dodging and avoiding without even ''trying'' to attack, the crowd gets fed up and starts to cheer for Rabbitson instead of Takamura, despite the fact that Takamura's loss means there will be no longer be an international champion from Japan. [[spoiler: Of course, in the end Rabbitson ends up losing by an AssPull by Takamura.]]

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* RootingForTheEmpire: Usually inverted when Japan cheers for Takamura as [[HeroWithBadPublicity Takamura's]] portrayed as the villain in fights. However, it's played straight in his fight against Peter Rabbitson. After 10 long rounds of Takamura swinging and missing and Peter Rabbitson dodging and avoiding without even ''trying'' to attack, the crowd gets fed up and starts to cheer for Rabbitson instead of Takamura, despite the fact that Takamura's loss means there will be no longer be an international champion from Japan. [[spoiler: Of course, in In the end end, Rabbitson ends up losing by an AssPull by to Takamura.]]
17th Jul '17 6:07:10 PM Polisi25
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* ArchivePanic: Simply put, it ran for more than 1,000 chapters, and it's still counting.
14th Jun '17 10:40:12 AM crazysamaritan
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* MagnificentBastard: Miguel Zail is a light version of this. He shows great analytical ability as well as [[GenreSavvy genre savvyness]] during matches. He's not infallible or omniscient, but quick to catch up on the quirks of his boxers opponents. Kamogawa even calls him "sly dog" because of it.

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* MagnificentBastard: Miguel Zail is a light version of this. He shows great analytical ability as well as [[GenreSavvy genre savvyness]] during matches. He's not infallible or omniscient, but quick to catch up on the quirks of his boxers opponents. Kamogawa even calls him "sly dog" because of it.
7th Jun '17 10:20:57 AM markband
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** Although, some of the difficulty Takamura has can be explained in a number of ways. Recardo doesn't have to handle severe weight management and unlike Takamura can fight in his best condition every fight whereas Takamura is usually seriously under-weight when he fights and isn't as strong as he could be at his natural weight. Also, Ricardo is far more composed than Takamura. Anytime Takamura had serious trouble was because his ego and pride made him do dumb mistakes not to mention how his temper constantly gets the better of him. meanwhile, Recardo always take his fights seriously and at the first sign an opponent might prove to be a challenge, will cut loose without holding back and focus on beating them into submission. No showing off or grandstanding. Ricardo will simply end his opponents.
20th Apr '17 7:01:12 AM MagBas
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* MartyStu: Takamura. His goal is to become the world champion across ''six different weight classes'', and has so far breezed through two titles, while defending them with ease. This means that he is able to easily defeat world class opponents while being disadvantaged in that he has to keep his weight '''five weight classes lower than where he would be at his strongest'''. He managed to defeat the Philippine champion despite blotching his weight control so badly that he looked like a zombie. It's ironic that Morikawa spends so much effort portraying Ippo's steady climb in the boxing world and showing the effort it takes to compete at a world class level, while Takamura walks his way through two world championship titles. [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower He even]] [[RememberWhenYouBlewUpASun defeated a bear]]. WordOfGod outright stated that Takamura is the strongest boxer in the series. Keep in mind that this is even compared to the 68-0-0 undefeated "super champion" '''[[LivingLegend Ricardo Martinez]]'''.
** Still, arguably, Takumura is a pretty good example of how TropesAreNotBad. His personality is so over the top and consistently entertaining that he remains well received with the fans despite his blatant Marty Stu-ness.



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring
* UnfortunateImplications: Whenever the series starts talking about the biology of black boxers, such as early on before Ippo's fight with Jason Ozuma.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring
* UnfortunateImplications: Whenever the series starts talking about the biology of black boxers, such as early on before Ippo's fight with Jason Ozuma.
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17th Apr '17 12:06:28 AM MJaxon
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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ring

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotSymbolic: [[spoiler:Mashiba]] growing a ''horn-like bump''? [[IncrediblyLamePun Hell yes!]] Malcolm Gedo's face also looks a lot like a skull when he is smiling in the ringring
* UnfortunateImplications: Whenever the series starts talking about the biology of black boxers, such as early on before Ippo's fight with Jason Ozuma.
15th Apr '17 1:19:19 PM mhj0808
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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his fight with Date was the "biggest challenge he's ever had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez has basically coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problem with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.

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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his fight with Date was the "biggest challenge he's ever had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez has basically coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problem problems with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.
15th Apr '17 1:18:22 PM mhj0808
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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his second fight with Date was his hardest he's ever fought- which is telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez has basically coasted to that 68-0 record and has had no problem with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.

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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 "super champion" who says his second fight with Date was his hardest the "biggest challenge he's ever fought- had"- which is incredibly telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez has basically coasted to that 68-0 record and has had literally no problem with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.
15th Apr '17 1:15:43 PM mhj0808
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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 super champion who says his second fight with Date was his hardest he's ever fought- which is telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez has basically coasted to that 68-0 record and has had no problem with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.

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* InformedAttribute: A very, very, ''very'' [[DownplayedTrope Downplayed]] version of the trope, but it's there alright. So, nobody is going to argue against the fact that Takamura is one of the best boxers in the series. That's plain as day. '''But''', WordOfGod claims that Takamura is even ''better than Ricardo Martinez''. Now, Martinez is a 68-0-0 super champion "super champion" who says his second fight with Date was his hardest he's ever fought- which is telling because he basically destroyed Date effortlessly without getting so much as a scratch. This means that Martinez has basically coasted to that 68-0 record and has had no problem with world class fighters. Now, Takamura may be amazing, but he's clearly been pushed to his limit on the world stage before. With this in mind, it's really hard to ''actually'' think of Takamura as being flat out better than Martinez no matter how you look at it.
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