History YMMV / HPLovecraft

7th May '18 4:49:51 AM defciggy
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* FairForItsDay: {{Averted|Trope}} with Lovecraft. Even if his xenophobia did come from [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation a pathological fear of the unknown]], and even if he was briefly married to Sonia Greene (who was half Jewish) and had Jewish friends, he was a racist and white supremacist, ''even'' by the standards of the 1930s.

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* FairForItsDay: {{Averted|Trope}} with Lovecraft. Even if his xenophobia did come from [[AlternateCharacterInterpretation a pathological fear of the unknown]], and even if he was briefly had been married to Sonia Greene (who was half Jewish) half-Jewish) for nearly a decade and had Jewish friends, he was a racist and white supremacist, ''even'' by the standards of the 1930s.
28th Mar '18 7:56:55 AM AmbarSonofDeshar
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* ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch: Any online discussion of his racism will have commenters decrying his racism and proudly proclaiming they have never read him because of that, often insisting that he should be forgotten. This will happen even on blog posts and interviews by minority creators who say they are inspired and influenced by his work but detest his virulent bigotry.
7th Mar '18 7:00:11 AM Fury1031
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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism in his work (see Values Dissonance below) would have already have been harsh to some contemporaries, but considering that this line of thinking would lead to UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust (and for that matter Lovecraft had also offered some praise to Hitler ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936), it makes many protagonists, who tended to be {{Author Avatar}}s for Lovecraft (who died well before the worst horrors of the Nazis' genocidal campaign would be known to the world), in his stories far less sympathetic.

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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism in his work (see Values Dissonance below) would have already have been harsh to some contemporaries, but considering that this line of thinking would lead to UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust (and for that matter Lovecraft had also offered some praise to Hitler ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936), 1936)), it makes many protagonists, who tended to be {{Author Avatar}}s for Lovecraft (who died well before the worst horrors of the Nazis' genocidal campaign would be known to the world), in his stories far less sympathetic.
15th Feb '18 5:17:17 AM Nautilus1
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* RichesToRags: Averted. Contrary to popular belief, the death of Lovecraft's grandfather did not leave his family ''very'' poor. His estate had been around $25,000 (more than $660,000 in 2017 dollars), and by 1914 Lovecraft personally inherited $2000 (about $52,000 in 2017 dollars) more from one of his aunts.
2nd Feb '18 11:42:54 AM TheMountainKing
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** Lovecraft's stories were primarily written during the heyday of Eugenics, during the "nadir of race relations" in the USA where interracial marriage was allowed and forced sterilization of "feeble-minded" was mainstream. Supporters argue that Lovecraft should be seen in the context of his time, but critics note that since Lovecraft often expressed a decadent worldview and despised the modern world, it makes no sense to defend him by putting him in the context of his time, since that was not a defense he would have used.

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** Lovecraft's stories were primarily written during the heyday of Eugenics, during the "nadir of race relations" in the USA where interracial marriage was allowed outlawed and forced sterilization of "feeble-minded" was mainstream. Supporters argue that Lovecraft should be seen in the context of his time, but critics note that since Lovecraft often expressed a decadent worldview and despised the modern world, it makes no sense to defend him by putting him in the context of his time, since that was not a defense he would have used.
26th Jan '18 4:13:43 AM Nautilus1
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* OxymoronicBeing: Abdul Alhazred - since he does not fit the proper Arabic name structure, it's rendered either as Abdul Hazred (''abd-ul-Hazred'', "Servant of [[SatanicArchetype The Prohibited]]") or Abdullah Al-Hazred ("Servant of God, Servant of [[{{Satan}} The Prohibited]]").
16th Jan '18 5:57:51 AM Morgenthaler
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* AllGermansAreNazis: The U-boat captain in "The Temple" is portrayed as a heartless racist monster, so extreme he considers Rhinelanders too soft to serve the Fatherland properly, and he violates the Law of War just as any caricaturish movie Nazi would do. (He is also well punished for his heartless killing of a Greek ''untermensch''; those who read Lovecraft as a simple crude Nazi-type himself would do well to read this story. It should also be noted that "The Temple" was written in 1920, before anyone knew who UsefiulNotes/AdolfHitler was, and that Lovecraft died in 1937, only four years after Hitler came to power.)
15th Nov '17 12:00:50 AM Psychadelico
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** It doesn't help that, probably due to ValuesDissonance, many of Lovecraft's characters come across as having [[TabletopGame/CallOfCthulhu SAN-scores]] made of tissue paper. For every instance of out-and-out [[TheCorruption Corruption]] or BrownNote in Lovecraft's works, there's another "horror" that's perturbing or squicky at worst, but the characters still barely manage to survive. The protagonist of ''Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness'' almost [[GoMadFromTheRevelation Goes Mad From The Revelation]] at the mere idea of aliens existing, for instance.
14th Nov '17 11:40:46 PM Psychadelico
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** An austere description of some of Lovecraft's monsters: [[Literature/TheWhispererInDarkness flying fungus-beetles from Pluto]], a [[Literature/TheCallOfCthulhu squid-faced dragon-man]], [[Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness giant albino penguins]], and [[Literature/TheShadowOverInnsmouth frog men]].
* NarmCharm: Sometimes even in spite of himself, Lovecraft's writing hits a nerve.
3rd Sep '17 12:35:35 AM KingClark
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* AccidentalAesop: Considering Creator/HPLovecraft's general xenophobia and racism, it's likely he intended the final revelation in "Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family" -- that one of the title character's great-great-great grandparents was some sort of pre-human 'ape-goddess' -- to be legitimately horrifying enough to justify his fatal HeroicBSOD. Ninety-odd years later, when what amounts to almost literally the exact same revelation about a huge swath of the current population is met with a profound 'meh' outside of the scientific community, the really disturbing thing about the story seems more to be how truly fragile poor Arthur's sense of proportion and grip on reality are.

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Considering Creator/HPLovecraft's general xenophobia and racism, it's likely he intended the final revelation in "Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family" -- that one of the title character's great-great-great grandparents was some sort of pre-human 'ape-goddess' -- to be legitimately horrifying enough to justify his fatal HeroicBSOD. Ninety-odd years later, when what amounts to almost literally the exact same revelation about a huge swath of the current population is met with a profound 'meh' outside of the scientific community, the really disturbing thing about the story seems more to be how truly fragile poor Arthur's sense of proportion and grip on reality are.



* ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch: Any online discussion of his racism will have commenters decrying his racism and proudly proclaiming they have never read him because of that, often insisting that he should be forgotten. This will happen even on blog posts and interviews by minority Creators who say they are inspired and influenced by his work but detest his virulent bigotry.

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* ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontWatch: Any online discussion of his racism will have commenters decrying his racism and proudly proclaiming they have never read him because of that, often insisting that he should be forgotten. This will happen even on blog posts and interviews by minority Creators creators who say they are inspired and influenced by his work but detest his virulent bigotry.




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