History YMMV / HPLovecraft

9th Apr '17 3:14:51 PM JulianLapostat
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* MainstreamObscurity: Lovecraft is a known and familiar by PopCulturalOsmosis (and even then only belatedly and in certain genres) than he is read, and in the global Anglophone, Lovecraft is still far less famous than Creator/EdgarAllanPoe (who benefits by being SchoolStudyMedia) and other Victorian horror (Stevenson, Stoker, Shelley) who benefited from sundry LostInImitation adaptations.
** Not one of his works has resulted in a successful film adaptation or a successful TV series or even a [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Treehouse of Horror]] adaptation. and in a large sense his popularity and readership really increased in the Internet era and resulting spread of memes, and online fandom and geek culture.
** Likewise for most of the 20th Century, Lovecraft's influence (which was at times highly contested by the likes of Creator/MichaelMoorcock among others), was restricted to PeripheryDemographic such as science-fiction and pulp horror, which only belatedly entered the mainstream, and even then only indirectly (such as the Cthulhoid monsters in multiple films and superhero comics and TV shows.



* {{Wangst}}: His lengthy PurpleProse along with his {{crapsack world}}view can come across as an attempt to give a DespairSpeech.

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* {{Wangst}}: His lengthy PurpleProse along with his {{crapsack world}}view can come across as an attempt to give a DespairSpeech.DespairSpeech, and in the opinion of some writers, given his palpable racism, as PsychologicalProjection:
--> '''[[http://www.villagevoice.com/vls/the-fear-6403760 J. Hoberman]]''': ''Evoking a sense of a vast, unknowable wilderness, as well as a degenerate present, Lovecraft draws on the Puritan impulse to scare the living bejeezus out of his audience with a mad xenophobia and a deep disgust that perhaps compensates for the (unacknowledged?) knowledge that it was [[WhiteAngloSaxonProtestant his people]] who persecuted the Quakers and murdered the Indians. Lovecraft's dread of the Old Ones is suffused with guilt. It wasn't sex that he most feared but the return of a historical repressed.''

14th Mar '17 5:28:03 PM ImperialMajestyXO
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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism in his work (see Values Dissonance below) would have already have been harsh to some contemporaries, but considering that this line of thinking lead to the Holocaust (and for that matter Lovecraft had also offered some praise to Hitler ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936), it makes many protagonists, who tended to be {{Author Avatar}}s for Lovecraft (who died well before the worst horrors of the Nazis' genocidal campaign would be known to the world), in his stories far less sympathetic.
* HeAlsoDid: Most of his fans would be surprised to learn Lovecraft tossed off a few light comedic pieces, including parodies of hack {{Melodrama}}s and heavy-handed [[ScareEmStraight anti-drinking screeds]].
** His sendup of Creator/TSEliot in "[[http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/poetry/p228.aspx Waste Paper]]" is almost Joycean, and a delight to anyone who has had ''Literature/TheWasteLand'' inflicted on them in school.
** There a number of readers who hold that Lovecraft's literary greatness was in his correspondence, not his fiction.

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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism in his work (see Values Dissonance below) would have already have been harsh to some contemporaries, but considering that this line of thinking would lead to the Holocaust UsefulNotes/TheHolocaust (and for that matter Lovecraft had also offered some praise to Hitler ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936), it makes many protagonists, who tended to be {{Author Avatar}}s for Lovecraft (who died well before the worst horrors of the Nazis' genocidal campaign would be known to the world), in his stories far less sympathetic.
* HeAlsoDid: Most of his fans would be surprised to learn Lovecraft tossed off a few light comedic pieces, including parodies of hack {{Melodrama}}s and heavy-handed [[ScareEmStraight anti-drinking screeds]].
** His sendup of Creator/TSEliot in "[[http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/poetry/p228.aspx Waste Paper]]" is almost Joycean, and a delight to anyone who has had ''Literature/TheWasteLand'' inflicted on them in school.
** There a number of readers who hold that Lovecraft's literary greatness was in his correspondence, not his fiction.
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10th Nov '16 4:23:24 AM VoxAquila
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* Creator/StephenKing has said that ''Literature/TheTommyknockers'' derives part of its premise from "Colour;" the story's protagonist, Gardner, shares his name with the hapless farmer of the earlier story.
21st Oct '16 8:35:29 AM VoxAquila
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* BasedOnADream: Not only were many of Lovecraft's stories based on dreams he had, but the characters within his works often created art or writing based on ''their'' dreams.



* BasedOnADream: Not only were many of Lovecraft's stories based on dreams he had, but the characters within his works often created art or writing based on ''their'' dreams.



* FandomHeresy: Bring Lovecraft's racism is a surefire way to raise the ire of diehard Lovecraftians. To a lesser extent, liking (or, Nodens forbid, ''preferring'') Mythos stories by other authors can still get this reaction.

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* FandomHeresy: Bring Bringing up Lovecraft's racism is a surefire way to raise the ire of diehard Lovecraftians. To a lesser extent, liking (or, Nodens forbid, ''preferring'') Mythos stories by other authors can still get this reaction.
21st Oct '16 8:33:53 AM VoxAquila
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* FandomHeresy: Bring Lovecraft's racism is a surefire way to raise the ire of diehard Lovecraftians. To a lesser extent, liking (or, Nodens forbid, ''preferring'') Mythos stories by other authors can still get this reaction.


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** There a number of readers who hold that Lovecraft's literary greatness was in his correspondence, not his fiction.
17th Oct '16 5:41:29 AM Qube
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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism in his work (see Values Dissonance below) would have already have been harsh to some contemporaries, but considering that this line of thinking lead to the Holocaust (and for that matter Lovecraft had also offered some praise to Hitler ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936), it makes many protagonists, who tended to be {{Author Avatar}}s for Lovecraft (who died well before the worst horrors of the Nazis' genocidal campaign would be known to the world), in his stories far less sympathetic).

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* HarsherInHindsight: While the racism in his work (see Values Dissonance below) would have already have been harsh to some contemporaries, but considering that this line of thinking lead to the Holocaust (and for that matter Lovecraft had also offered some praise to Hitler ("The crazy thing is not what Adolf wants, but the way he sees it & starts out to get it. I know he’s a clown, but by God, I like the boy!" –Letter from Lovecraft to Donald Wandrei, November 1936), it makes many protagonists, who tended to be {{Author Avatar}}s for Lovecraft (who died well before the worst horrors of the Nazis' genocidal campaign would be known to the world), in his stories far less sympathetic).sympathetic.
14th Oct '16 7:29:47 PM MarkLungo
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* AccidentalAesop: Considering H.P Lovecraft's general xenophobia and racism, it's likely he intended the final revelation in Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family- that one of the title character's great-great-great grandparents was some sort of pre-human 'ape-goddess'- to be legitimately horrifying enough to justify his fatal Heroic BSOD. Ninety-odd years later, when what amounts to almost literally the exact same revelation about a huge swath of the current population is met with a profound 'meh' outside of the scientific community, the really disturbing thing about the story seems more to be how truly fragile poor Arthur's sense of proportion and grip on reality are.

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* AccidentalAesop: Considering H.P Lovecraft's Creator/HPLovecraft's general xenophobia and racism, it's likely he intended the final revelation in Facts "Facts Concerning the Late Arthur Jermyn and His Family- Family" -- that one of the title character's great-great-great grandparents was some sort of pre-human 'ape-goddess'- 'ape-goddess' -- to be legitimately horrifying enough to justify his fatal Heroic BSOD.HeroicBSOD. Ninety-odd years later, when what amounts to almost literally the exact same revelation about a huge swath of the current population is met with a profound 'meh' outside of the scientific community, the really disturbing thing about the story seems more to be how truly fragile poor Arthur's sense of proportion and grip on reality are.



* AllGermansAreNazis: The U-boat captain in "The Temple" is portrayed as a heartless racist monster, so extreme he considers Rhinelanders too soft to serve the Fatherland properly, and he violates the Law of War just as any caricaturish movie Nazi would do. (He is also well punished for his heartless killing of a Greek ''untermensch''; those who read Lovecraft as a simple crude Nazi-type himself would do well to read this story. It should also be noted that "The Temple" was written in 1920, before anyone knew who Hitler was, and that Lovecraft died in 1937, only four years after Hitler came to power.)

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* AllGermansAreNazis: The U-boat captain in "The Temple" is portrayed as a heartless racist monster, so extreme he considers Rhinelanders too soft to serve the Fatherland properly, and he violates the Law of War just as any caricaturish movie Nazi would do. (He is also well punished for his heartless killing of a Greek ''untermensch''; those who read Lovecraft as a simple crude Nazi-type himself would do well to read this story. It should also be noted that "The Temple" was written in 1920, before anyone knew who Hitler UsefiulNotes/AdolfHitler was, and that Lovecraft died in 1937, only four years after Hitler came to power.)



4th May '16 9:50:25 AM aye_amber
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24th Apr '16 2:29:11 PM CaptEquinox
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* ScienceMarchesOn: At the time Lovecraft was writing based on the latest science of the day, and strove for accuracy. Nevertheless, scientific progress has since overtaken him:
** Lovecraft identified the Semitic god Dagon with his Deep Ones, based on a then-widely-accepted etymological link to the Hebrew word for "fish". Modern anthropologists consider this a coincidence, and the historical Dagon is now believed to have been a god of agriculture.
** The stories "The Colour Out of Space" and ''Literature/AtTheMountainsOfMadness'' are also heavily affected by eighty years or so of progress since they focus on scientific investigations of strange phenomena. Most notably the fact that there are no AlienGeometries mountains or giant, albino penguins in Antarctica - darn it.
** Whenever referring to human evolution, one of the first hominids to be mentioned is Piltdown man, which, of course, turned out to be a hoax.
** On the other hand, progress has sometimes backed Lovecraft up on matters that were mere speculation in his day: For example he supported and included the Continental Drift Theory in his stories, which is of course widely accepted nowadays but was then rejected by most scientists. Also, he wrote about a ninth planet in our solar system mere months before Pluto was discovered.
24th Apr '16 1:50:46 PM CaptEquinox
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* AuthorPhobia: Much of what Lovecraft wrote was motivated by his own nightmares and personal phobias. Among the ones less likely to evoke similar feelings in readers nowadays were his fears of [[ValuesDissonance non-white Anglo-Saxon people and miscegenation]]. [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking And fish.]]


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* BasedOnADream: Not only were many of Lovecraft's stories based on dreams he had, but the characters within his works often created art or writing based on ''their'' dreams.


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* HeAlsoDid: Most of his fans would be surprised to learn Lovecraft tossed off a few light comedic pieces, including parodies of hack {{Melodrama}}s and heavy-handed [[ScareEmStraight anti-drinking screeds]].
** His sendup of Creator/TSEliot in "[[http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/poetry/p228.aspx Waste Paper]]" is almost Joycean, and a delight to anyone who has had ''Literature/TheWasteLand'' inflicted on them in school.


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* RealitySubtext: Many of the stories have hidden dimensions if you know something about the author's life, but most disturbingly in "Literature/TheDunwichHorror".
* Creator/StephenKing has said that ''Literature/TheTommyknockers'' derives part of its premise from "Colour;" the story's protagonist, Gardner, shares his name with the hapless farmer of the earlier story.
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